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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on March 18, 2007, 08:49:42 PM
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and how hard is it to make them in a country such as the US/UK/Aussie/NZ?
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No war for bleach!
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lies, iraq has no WMD's
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Oh, btw...chlorine gas is real easy to generate with household products.
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Originally posted by john9001
lies, iraq has no WMD's
Now they do.
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If they had bleach and ammonia, they always did. ~ rolleyes thingie~
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OMGZ!!1 Are you guys going to attack every one with ammonia and bleach?
Start with the USA then.
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No, we're going to have to sit by and watch as someone from icebear country tries to make a big deal out of nothing.
Continue.
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Yes, it really is nothing. Nothing at all.
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If you are removing mildew from shower tiles bleach works great..
However,NEVER use an amonia based product(Tilex) after scrubbing with bleach.You get Clorine gas when the two are mixed and in a small enclosed area(your bathtub) you can get very sick.
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Im amazed that the 2 substances have remained legal products for household use.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
If you are removing mildew from shower tiles bleach works great..
However,NEVER use an amonia based product(Tilex) after scrubbing with bleach.You get Clorine gas when the two are mixed and in a small enclosed area(your bathtub) you can get very sick.
Exactly.
That would be known as duel use chemicals.
In and of themselves are relitively harmless. But. when mixed together in the proper proportions....
And probably one of the reasons why WMDs have been so hard to find in Iraq.
One of the things that Joe public doesnt get and the media never bothers to explain is
On of the reason we didnt find alot of chemical weapon or Bio stockpiles is Saddam didint keep them in stockpiles but rather had them mixed on site just prior to using them and only certain people were charged with mixing them.
Seems he didnt want just anyone to have access to them.
Im betting alot of the chemicals used to make chemical weapons in Iraq were made up of alot of duel use chemicals.
As for the Bio Weapons. It only takes a VERY small amount of this stuff to wreak alot of havock.
A single teasoon of anthrax for example is enough to waste an entire city
In short. a little dab will do ya
The total amount your looking for is said to be able to fit inside a common 1 car garage.
Now your looking for that amount in an area the size of Texas. And IF it exists and the laws of probability would suggest it does.
It may not be all in one area.
Now. how hard wouold it be to hide the contents of a 1 car garage in something as large as Texas?
Break it up into smaller quantities and it becomes even easier to hide.
everyone was expecting to find shells filled with the stuff and thats just not how it worked.
It doesnt surprise me nothing has been found.
And to me it doesnt really matter.
It was a situation that needed to be dealt with sooner or later and it was in our national intrests. WMDs made for a good reason to giv the public. It was somethign that the last 2 administrations at least beleived he had.
And the public would never buy into going to war for oil untill they dont have any.
Then they will be stealiing it from each other and attacking and killing each other in the gas lines
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making a dangerous chemical is easy. weaponizing a dangerous chemical, not so much.
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weaponizing the water supply?
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Chlorine is a common chemical used for industrial processes. Paper mills and water purification for one example.
With lack of railways it'll be transported through highways and are easy targets for hijacking. Chlorine makes a pretty good weapon as it's heavyer than air (spreads as a gaseous carpet on ground) and it transforms into acid with contact to water i.e. inside a human lung or eyes.
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Originally posted by Furious
making a dangerous chemical is easy. weaponizing a dangerous chemical, not so much.
Need easy to follow directions?
Just off the top of my head I can think of a half dozen really easy ways to weaponise dangerous chemicals.
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Just off the top of my head I can think of a half dozen really easy ways to weaponise dangerous chemicals.
The end results tend to be nowhere near as effective as simple explosives.
As an example, the latest chlorine bomb attacks in Iraq. 3 vehicle mounted bombs, 8 dead. Given that a single car or truck bomb in Iraq often kills upwards of 50 people, the chlorine attacks were not a success, although no doubt the fear they cause is of some benefit to the terrorists.
Another example is the Tokyo sarin attack. 10 bombers, 11 kg of sarin, 12 dead at the height of rush hour on the Tokyo underground.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
The end results tend to be nowhere near as effective as simple explosives.
As an example, the latest chlorine bomb attacks in Iraq. 3 vehicle mounted bombs, 8 dead. Given that a single car or truck bomb in Iraq often kills upwards of 50 people, the chlorine attacks were not a success, although no doubt the fear they cause is of some benefit to the terrorists.
Another example is the Tokyo sarin attack. 10 bombers, 11 kg of sarin, 12 dead at the height of rush hour on the Tokyo underground.
Yes but how many maimed and injured?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes but how many maimed and injured?
Exactly, maiming and injiuring people puts more of a strain on the system (health government, etc) than outright killing people.
What would a average designed chlorine weapon do in a densely populated area say like NY?
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Not much..It would create panic though.