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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Black Jack on March 20, 2007, 03:47:54 PM
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I probably missed the info on when this was changed but how come we can no longer shoot down Tigers with a T34? Even if it would take a few shots compare to a sweet spot shot, it would be nice to be able to battle it out. If the Tigers were able to be taken out be machine guns and cannons when shot from the back, why can't we do it in a tank? Thanks
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T-34 can never, and has never, ever, been able to take out a tiger tank, in this game.
You can test this out offline against the tigr drone. I unloaded 75 AP rounds into the drone once, back when T-34 came out, and never had one hit do damage.
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Originally posted by Krusty
T-34 can never, and has never, ever, been able to take out a tiger tank, in this game.
You can test this out offline against the tigr drone. I unloaded 75 AP rounds into the drone once, back when T-34 came out, and never had one hit do damage.
No offense here Krusty.... But according to stats the T34 has a whopping 28 kills or so on a Tiger (compared to dying 1379 times from a Tiger) for this tour.
Going back to December there has been about 120 kills or so by T34's hitting Tigers. BUT.... there has also been about 4000+ deaths of T34's from those Tigers. :D
BTW: Tigers only have one sweet spot.... a 4k bunker buster from a Lanc. :t
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Originally posted by Sketch
No offense here Krusty.... But according to stats the T34 has a whopping 28 kills or so on a Tiger (compared to dying 1379 times from a Tiger) for this tour.
Going back to December there has been about 120 kills or so by T34's hitting Tigers. BUT.... there has also been about 4000+ deaths of T34's from those Tigers. :D
And that means nothing. Tracks absorb damage. So multiple shots by a T-34 in the track add up. All it then takes is a panzer or egg to penetrate armor and the T-34 is awarded the kill.
Bronk
Edit: Per Pyro in this thread.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198373&highlight=Tracks
and the quote.
Originally posted by Pyro
Ahh, I know why this happens. It's the tracks. They are a damageable component and can soak up a large quantity of damage from light cannon and MG which unbalances the kill awarding. I'll have to see if there's a way that HT can alter the awarding of GV kills to take that into account.
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Kind of silly if you ask me when a T-34 can't take out a Tiger but a Jeep can.
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Originally posted by Black Jack
If the Tigers were able to be taken out be machine guns and cannons when shot from the back
:huh
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The only T-34 kills earned on tigrs are stolen kills. Ones where they hit the tank, and it registered a hit, but didn't do squat.
Same way a hurri1 can go around spraying a tank with a few hundred .303 rounds. Or a 110G with 20mm rounds. When a panzer fires 1 hit, or a jabo drops 1 bomb, they kill it, but the award goes to the guy that sprayed them with no effect.
I guarantee you, Sketch, that not ONE of those T-34s ever EVER ever got a kill-shot on a Tiger. It's just not possible. Go offline and test it out. Spend hours firing from any angle and any range. You will never get a kill on the tigr drone.
Trust me! I tried it for hours on end, back when we first got the GV drones offline.
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you can kill a tiger in an gv and i not saying how :aok
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Walk-thru pilot kill?
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Originally posted by moot
Walk-thru pilot kill?
Drive-thru more like it.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Drive-thru more like it.
Bronk
:noid
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I never said the kills were fair or done by just them.... just said the stats show there has been kills.... :D
And like I said, I just use an egg... takes less time and effort.
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Heh, with a Tiger tank, sometimes even an egg doesn't cut it :rofl
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Originally posted by Krusty
Heh, with a Tiger tank, sometimes even an egg doesn't cut it :rofl
Yeap, I have dropped 3x 4k eggs and 27x 1k eggs on a tiger, didn't get a kill...... but I did get an assist!:rofl
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Originally posted by Sketch
Yeap, I have dropped 3x 4k eggs and 27x 1k eggs on a tiger, didn't get a kill...... but I did get an assist!:rofl
Damn T-34.:noid
:D
Bronk
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LMBO! :rofl
Well played, Bronk!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I killed a tiger with a T34.
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I killed a Tiger with a Jeep!
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I even killed a jeep with a tiger! :D
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I went offline once to see what the sweet spot was on a Tiger using a T34. I found only one spot that I could pentrate, but all it did was disable the engine, or turret and I kept firing at that spot with direct hits and it never died. Tiger is one tough tank in AH.
Another problem with the T-34 is when it goes up against another T-34. I've never been able to kill a T-34 with a T-34. Just only been able to disable the turret. Then it just doesn't die.
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Bronk or Krusty might know this answer...
I thought the T34 had the angled armor which helped it deflect rounds? It seems to take longer to take out a T34 with planes than it does to take out a panzer with planes.
What is it that makes the Tiger so tough? Is it the thickness of the armor and the T34 not being able to penatrate it?
I build bombs and deal with bullets and cannon rounds all day, have not dealt with any tank rounds.
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Originally posted by VooWho
I went offline once to see what the sweet spot was on a Tiger using a T34. I found only one spot that I could pentrate, but all it did was disable the engine, or turret and I kept firing at that spot with direct hits and it never died. Tiger is one tough tank in AH.
Another problem with the T-34 is when it goes up against another T-34. I've never been able to kill a T-34 with a T-34. Just only been able to disable the turret. Then it just doesn't die.
try harder there is a one shot kill on a t34 from another t34 if you cant find this look me up would be glad to show you where this spot is
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isnt that lil circle on the back of a T-34 a sweet spot?
or the drivers window?
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There may be others, but the space between the T34's tracks' cogs is soft enough for a kill.
You have to hit the turret flat on its panels to penetrate it with another T34.
I haven't been able to hit the barrel.
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Another problem with the T-34 is when it goes up against another T-34. I've never been able to kill a T-34 with a T-34. Just only been able to disable the turret. Then it just doesn't die.
I had a fantastic experience in a T-34 against a T-34. Blew up the other T-34 with 3 rounds of AP... probably one of those freak-shot lucky kills, but it did happen.
First, after confirming the distance and zeroing in the range, my first shot landed on the enemy T-34's tracks from a slightly side angle. This killed one track and slumped it to one side.
Then, I drove my T-34 to the opposite side of the direction of the slump - due to the angle the T-34 couldn't shoot me from that direction. I closed in to almost zero range, fired two shots at the opposite track at a very low angle. One of them must have penetrated through the bottom armor or something - it blew up upon impact.
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last tour i found myself on a NME v-base in a tiger when all the vh popped...i was killed by 1 t34...i shot him twice but he then knocked my turret out in one shot and continued to hammer away at me until he got the kill.
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I'm afraid I can't believe that unless I see the film. Could have been the t34 was what you saw, but a panzer popped your turret.
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I have killed lots of tigers with a t34, even a flak can kill a tiger.
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I just went offline and killed a Tiger with 8 rounds of AP in the T34 :)
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Originally posted by JB35
I just went offline and killed a Tiger with 8 rounds of AP in the T34 :)
6 or 7 can do it if real close.
Bronk
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Really? Because I sat there for over an hour once firing the entire ammo load of a T-34 point blank directly into the engine compartment of the offline drone.
I ran out of ammo before he ever started smoking.
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want film?
Edit:
Krusty you have a PM.
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The way you describe it, I wonder if that's a glitch or a bug, rather than a modeled weak point. No film necessary, I'll take your words on it.
I seem to recall that the rear armor was the weakest of all except the top. Firing 70+ AP rounds point-blank at a 90-degree angle won't smoke the engine (let alone kill the vehicle itself), nor will any amount of rounds fired at the turret-body gap (the sweet spot for panzers to aim for, they can kill if they hit this spot).
So I can only say "through extensive testing the T-34 cannon does diddley squat, in my opinion."
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It seems we have a problem so.................
Lets get rid of ALL the gv's:D
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They really don't fit in this game, Bucky. This is a flight sim, and the GVs are just clever adaptation to flight code. I honestly wouldn't mind if we had no GVs at all.
But that's just me.
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I Agree Sir:aok
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Lets not start this please.
Bronk
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but also you have to concider that the Tiger was not moving, and when a player hears that thump, hes going to look and hes going to move.
it took a minute to kill the offline Tiger..... in game, who knows unless hes in TT and completely unaware
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Originally posted by JB35
but also you have to concider that the Tiger was not moving, and when a player hears that thump, hes going to look and hes going to move.
it took a minute to kill the offline Tiger..... in game, who knows unless hes in TT and completely unaware
JB35 your avatar is oddly hypnotic...
Back on topic, though, you're right. Unless you're 50 yards from a parked tigr, firing point blank into it 7 times in a very tiny spot (that might even be a bug, who knows?) which might take 15 seconds per shot.... So unless you've got some AFKer you won't even damage him.
I still say you're not going to get any kills in a T-34. Chances are you stole the kill from a panzer or a jabo :P
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T-34/85 should have been the one added. It is good for 1943 to the end of the war (or to the present if you are North Korea ;)) and would have been competitive with the Panzer IV H and able to dent a Tiger is used skillfully.
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Originally posted by Krusty
JB35 your avatar is oddly hypnotic...
ty won second place in the Avatar contest here on the BBS.... kinda reminds me of SHawk when hes all Giddy when he lands his kills in his C-Hog :rofl
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The AH T-34 is modeled as useless against a Tiger in the game, but it is not impossible to disable and kill a Tiger. Try this offline: pull up to within a few dozen feet of the Tiger and make sure you are exactly 90 degrees to its side. Fire at the little plus sign (sorry, I forget what that symbol is called, kind of a modern Iron Cross). About 8 AP hits will blow up the Tiger. You can also take out the turret with one or two hits on that ring between the hull and the turret, but I am not sure what part of the ring is sensitive- I've done it once, but couldn't reproduce it. Online, however, these techniques are useless unless the Tiger driver is out to lunch or fallen asleep. While I have killed Tigers online with my T-34, it is always a Tiger that was previously damaged by someone else who then conviently died before I hit the Tiger.
Killing another T-34 with a T-34 is easy, even online, because of a bug in AH. Hit the exact junction between the top sloped front armor (glacis?) and the bottom sloped armor. In the real T-34 this junction is an enormously thick casting that is unlikely to be penetrated. In AH, however, I suspect it is modeled as the same thickness as the rest of the armor, but it is at 90 degrees instead of a glancing angle, so easier to penetrate. At medium to short ranges a single hit there with AP usually blows up the T-34. Again, you want to be at close to 90 degrees, i.e. the target is pointed directly at you.
Finally, although not relevant to this thread, killing a Panzer from a T-34 is easy: aim for the turret and make sure to hit it at 90 degrees (which, because it is about circular, means hit the center). Even relatively long range hits will take out the Panzer with one shot (or at least take out his turret).
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try using ap
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Originally posted by 715
Fire at the little plus sign (sorry, I forget what that symbol is called, kind of a modern Iron Cross).
You can still call it Iron Cross, because it's just a stylised version. If you want to be exact, you may call it "Balkenkreuz".