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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Xasthur on March 21, 2007, 11:36:41 PM
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I know this would be difficult for some.... but it would really be much more accurate to have Luftwaffe aircraft and vehicles have their displays in metric. (Considering that the dials for altitude and speed already have Kilometers printed on them anyway but still display speed and alt in Miles)
Meters instead of feet, Kilometers instead of Miles, Litres instead of Gallons.
This would obviously be difficult for some squads who fly mixed aircraft and the CO says "ok gents, climb to 3000 meters" leaving the Yank sticks scratching their heads as to how high that actually is. (It's close enough to 10k)
Still, I think it would be much more realistic and lets face it, it's really not that hard to at least get a rough approximation of the conversion rate.
Anyway, it would be wonderful to have the metric system in the relevant aircraft and vehicles!
Thank you
Regards
Arch
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No thanks! Too many other games go back and forth, or go all-metric. I hate to sound ethnocentric, but this is a game made in America and had many many Americans flying it. As one of those self-interested Americans, I like a single system.
When you think about it, if you only fly 1, maybe 2 aircraft in your career, you get to know them so intimately it doesn't matter what instruments they use. In this game I fly probably upwards of 80% of the planeset at one time or another, spanning all nationalities. It really simplifies things to have a single system in place, so I don't forget which plane I'm in and screw things up because I'm reading dials wrong. Just my opinion on the matter.
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Originally posted by Krusty
As one of those self-pleasuring Americans, I like a single system.
:rofl
Sorry.. i couldn't resist :D
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:lol
btw, though i dont ever remember how mph, miles and feets correlate with kmh, kilometers and meters (we use metric system in Russia) i havent problems with british units in game.
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I've not had a problem either, I just think it would be better to have historical displays.
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signed
on the metric system for the metric flights.
people in here like to turn down anything witch is not historical. if one can't cope with the translation feet -> metres and miles -> kilometres, i do not seen that one fit to fly with SA anyway.
sitting in a LW-planes feeting and miling around just isn't as immersive as i could be in metric. even almost every car-game sports metrics besides mph.
AH2 is more accurate then most SIMs ever released - metrics would also give more immersion into BoP's, CT's etc's.
EDIT: on second thought: not possible, to many dials to rework, speed (kmh), alt (metres), climb (metres per minute), fuelgauges (litres), all pressure gauges (kg per ccm or even ATÜ?) and sure even more.
still would be nice tho :)
but please change to metric bombs to lbs then - there i usally pick funny stuff, while expecting all LBS
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Metric system is so much easier...
I'd go for a mixed system as well. Have imperial for the rides that had, and go metric for the rest.
metric
1km = 1000m
100cm = 1m = 1000mm
1kg = 1000 grams
1000kg = 1 metric ton
imperial
12 inches = 1 ft
3 ft = 1 yd
1760yds = 1 mile
1lb = 7000 grains
some conversions
1yd = 0,944m
1ft = 0,3048m
1lb = 0,3545kg
1inch = 2,54cm
Not trying to discredit anything here, just listing how awkward it is to calculate in imperial units.
Regards,
Matt
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It's been requested before many times. Every time, without fail, this request has been shot down by HTC. Ordinarily I'd suggest running a search in this forum, but the Wishlist was cleaned out some time ago. Either Skuzzy tripped on a cable bundle or one of the forum bugs did it. I'm not sure which. Most of the old posts, and reasons for rejecting metric instruments, are now gone.
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That's a damn shame... Metric is the way of the future (and of the past....) so it would be very nice.
Perhaps even if you could somehow have an option to chose?
All of the 'made-over' Luftwaffe rides say that their readings are in Metric (speed and alt at least) That confused me when i started in offline.... (It says metres... but imperial rides give the same reading at this altitude..... :huh )
Perhaps in the hangar you could chose to switch to Metric for the relevant rides?
That way if you don't want metric (or don't have the mental capacity to convert things on the fly ;) ), you're not stuck with it ?
I realise this would probably take some work....
"But what about the childr.... er...Historical accuracy, won't somebody please think of the historical accuracy!!" :lol
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Wate, the German plains don't display their informations in metric? How then do they display their info? When the gadge reads 10,000m does that mean 1 mile or 10,000 ft?
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metric is because a bunch of Godless heathens somewhere in Europe back in the middle ages wanted to be "scientific".
Feet, Yards, and miles were good enough for my ancestors, and good enough for me :p
"switching" I am almost positive would require an entire re-write to the game, as the TE, and icons, and all relevant measurements are done in standard US measurements. Change 1 I BET you have to change all for the relations to work out.
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1 km = .62 miles
1 mile = 1.6 km
1 gallon (imperial)=4.54 litre
1 gallon (U.S.)= 3.73 litre
1 ounce = 28 grams (- 6g or so for seeds and stems)
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Originally posted by camwinters
Wate, the German plains don't display their informations in metric? How then do they display their info? When the gadge reads 10,000m does that mean 1 mile or 10,000 ft?
That's correct. If you zoom in closely, the dials read 'Metres' (it's just the cockpit panel 'skin' that says this) but all the readings are in Miles.
So, if you're at 7k and you zoom in, your needle will be on the 7 and the dial itself will say 'metres', but you're at actually at 7k Feet and not 7k Meters.
Suffice to say, all readings are in Feet, Miles, Gallons, Yards and whatever else you crazy, illogical yanks come up with ;)
As a side note.... if you're measuring something small (like 1.5 millimeters in length or whatever) how the **** do you do it if you just have a standard ruler?
Surely fractions of an inch are impossibly difficult to work with in small numbers? haha how impractical
- JB, you're probably right and I suspected that such a thing might a massive problem to overhaul but as I'm no computer programmer, I thought I would raise the idea anyway.
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Originally posted by JB73
"switching" I am almost positive would require an entire re-write to the game, as the TE, and icons, and all relevant measurements are done in standard US measurements. Change 1 I BET you have to change all for the relations to work out.
I am a software engineer and i can tell you that, assuming this game has well-organised code (which i conceed, it possibly doesnt), then it should be easy to leave all calculations in the original format and only convert it for display on the screen.
So all simulation calc would still be interpreting feet/mph etc but when you print it to the screen you show the result of the conversion to metres/kph
Meanwhile, as a side note, when it comes to aircraft i'm most happy with feet for altitude and knots for airspeed (Even though im a metric-honed australian in all other aspects of life - weird huh? I think movies have done this to me...).
Dont most modern jets work in knots? When did this happen, any ideas? Or am i full of the proverbial?
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Interesting insight, Brucerer.
*Resumes banging the Metric drum*
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Having to convert between metric and imperial would make for at least some complications, some of the time, that would effectively be more unrealistic than sitting in your cockpit, thinking how un-authentic the imperial system pixels looked.. it's the same as engine management.
It would bloat the amount of time used in dealing with measurements by an unrealistic amount.
OTOH, in Combat Tour, I'd agree.
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Originally posted by ridley1
1 ounce = 28 grams (- 6g or so for seeds and stems)
Now that im done wiping the soda off my monitor, you need to find a better hookup. Beaner schwag is for highschool kids:D
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Who actually relies on the numbers anyway?
When I fly and fight, the only real numbers I remember are;
1) my plane's top speed at deck
2) my plane's top speed at alt
3) at which alt my plane starts to suck
4) at which speed I can start using my flaps
The above four figures are memorized. All the rest of the actual fight is done by looking at the enemy plane, assuming the relative E/alt states by the way he behaves. The only time I would actually look at the speedmeter is when I'm going low and slow, and the only time I would look at the altimeter is when I'm about to crash.
I don't think it'd be any different for rest of the people either.
Imperial or metric, is just semantics. It's not something that matters during combat.
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Originally posted by JB73
metric is because a bunch of Godless heathens somewhere in Europe back in the middle ages wanted to be "scientific".
Feet, Yards, and miles were good enough for my ancestors, and good enough for me :p
Remember that your ancestors were also European :aok
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Originally posted by ridley1
1 ounce = 28 grams (- 6g or so for seeds and stems)
Actually, I always use 28.2g per ounce, and the weight is calculated AS PACKAGED with the seeds and stems. You should know better than to buy the last bag that has all the seeds and stems. :D If you don't want credit for the added weight, hold out for another seller. There are plenty. Then go back and beat the @#%% outta the guy that tried to short you with the crappy bag.
:rofl
NC-LawMan
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Yes, METRIC units definately PLEASE. atleast an OPTION to use them IF someone wishes to do so!
-TEE176
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As you know we used metric in the Netherlands, but after playing AH for so long I kinda forgotten how to use it :D
If someone says an aircraft does 200km/h I think..huh? :huh takes me awhile to figure out how much mph it is and I think: aaah okay :aok
But OK for metric system, would be nice in our Russian and German aircraft (Italian and Japanese too?)
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If HTC wishes to expand into the European market, they'll need METRIC in the proper aircraft.
Perhaps have it as an option for the E6 computer?
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Not going to happen gents. And it is not a point of realism or preferences.
The problem is when fly planes in both English and metric. It instantly adds more work load to flying a metric plane if your primary rides English or visa versa.
2nd Communication becomes a major pain when different units are used with different airplanes.
3rd I have done both metric and English in a previous life, hated it so much it is not going to happen.
HiTech
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I never had any problems flying the English system, like I said, I got adapted to it rather quickly.
Doubt there would be more Europeans flying after a metric system is introduced!
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Originally posted by hitech
Not going to happen gents. And it is not a point of realism or preferences.
The problem is when fly planes in both English and metric. It instantly adds more work load to flying a metric plane if your primary rides English or visa versa.
2nd Communication becomes a major pain when different units are used with different airplanes.
3rd I have done both metric and English in a previous life, hated it so much it is not going to happen.
HiTech
uh, well why not tell us how to change the cockpit skins then so we could do the metric instruments ourselves if you guys are so stubborn ???