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Title: Iar 80
Post by: DocRoe on March 22, 2007, 03:31:05 PM

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/iar80.htm

Great info about this plane

You guys like it? enough to add it to game

If we added it we could say we have a plane from the Romanian Air Force

and how many games can say they have a Romanian Air Force?

:D

Title: Iar 80
Post by: titanic3 on March 22, 2007, 07:01:12 PM

only a few hundred were produce, speed is kinda slow 317mph i believe, and armament is same as most spits. and flying a spit is way better

Title: Iar 80
Post by: DocRoe on March 22, 2007, 07:05:27 PM

but why not? lol they were produced and used..
performance dont matter, lol if it does why is p40b in game? haha

not trashing it, i actually like it, but its days were in the early war.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 22, 2007, 07:27:12 PM

Tell it brother!

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162995&highlight=IAR80

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172721&highlight=IAR80

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178422&highlight=IAR80

Title: Iar 80
Post by: DocRoe on March 22, 2007, 07:30:40 PM

some backing! thank you

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Masherbrum on March 22, 2007, 08:25:29 PM

Quote

Originally posted by titanic3
only a few hundred were produce, speed is kinda slow 317mph i believe, and armament is same as most spits. and flying a spit is way better

You are misinformed.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: rogerdee on March 23, 2007, 02:56:52 AM

bring it on they accounted well for them selfs agianst the enemy and it would make a nice change to have a aircraft from a totally different counrty

Title: Iar 80
Post by: VooWho on March 23, 2007, 12:20:52 PM

Iar80 was a great plane. Because it was built and flown by Romanian pilots people think the aircraft sucked. Do a little search on the forums about the Iar80 and you will see that Romanian pilots in 109s and Iar80s, owned a bunch of Americans in P38s. The reason why the Iar80 was built in small numbers (125 produced) was because it was primarly built for defense of the oil fields in Romania. It was reportedly to have excellent handling characteristics and was highly manoeuvrable.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Masherbrum on March 23, 2007, 01:16:03 PM

The IAR81c can MORE THAN whoop any ride in the Arenas now.

Title: Add the Iar 80
Post by: frank3 on March 25, 2007, 12:15:29 PM

Hmm, why not? The plane-set is already dominated by American/British and German/Japanese aircraft, would be interesting to see something Romenian :)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: zorstorer on March 25, 2007, 12:30:02 PM

If the reports I read are accurate....

It's a shame they could not get over 1000hp in this plane :(

Though it would be good to get a plane produced outside the big 5.  :aok

Title: Iar 80
Post by: frank3 on March 27, 2007, 08:28:48 PM

Which were the big 5? Here's my guess:

P-47
P-51
Spitfire
Hurricane
Bf-109

(too few Axis planes though)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Krusty on March 27, 2007, 10:35:05 PM

Maybe he means "big 5" nations -- US, UK, Ger, Rus, Jap.

Just a thought?

Title: Iar 80
Post by: zorstorer on March 27, 2007, 11:24:11 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Krusty
Maybe he means "big 5" nations -- US, UK, Ger, Rus, Jap.

Just a thought?

Yep :)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: quintv on March 28, 2007, 08:34:51 AM

Poor poor Italians.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: VooWho on March 28, 2007, 05:09:40 PM

and poor poor Aussies. COMMONWEALTH FIGHTER! but after the Iar80 :)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on March 28, 2007, 11:29:54 PM

Bomerang?

http://www.accentwebdesign.com.au/boomerang/indexf.htm

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Emu on March 29, 2007, 01:27:46 AM

Bring it on!! I likes.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: MiloMorai on March 29, 2007, 07:04:44 AM

Nice links on the IAR 80/81,
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/farmer/120/iar.html
http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/2072/IAR80.html

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Wurger on March 29, 2007, 01:58:28 PM

I would also really love to have an IAR 80/81!  There is still a real one at the Military Museum in Bucuresti (Bucharest) that I got to crawl around on when I was there last fall.  Definately an interesting aircraft and would seem to be one that would be a lot of fun to fly in AH.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 29, 2007, 03:02:19 PM

Is that the one with the pro-Axis ARR markings? Outside display?

Theres that one and one done in pro-Allied markings in another museum, both are replicas built a while back by some enthusiasts. The Axis one was done as the first IAR-80 (4 .303s) as it would have appeared in the spring of 1941, and the one in the other museum is an OD IAR-80 with roundels, as it would have been paited over Transylvania in the fall-winter of 1944.

Both look nice from the outside, but have the cockpits wrong afaik.

(http://www.aviaistorija.puslapiai.lt/kari1/IAR%2080.jpg)
(http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Rumania/images/Iar80.jpg)
(http://www.hobby.ro/roarmy/grup9v/iar%2080-02.jpg)
(http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Rumania/images/IAR80Museum.JPG)

The one on inside display has some serious errors wit hthe nose and prop, especially the spinner thats about half the size it should be. The other one is more accurate.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Wurger on March 29, 2007, 03:10:33 PM

This is the one inside, with the roundels.  It looks ok on the outside, but the bright blue seat cushions did look a little out of place ;)  The cockpit looks like it is workable, with proper instruments, etc.  I'll have to check my photos again, but I don't recall that really small spinner on it.

In October, they opened a new Museum of Aviation in Bucuresti, but I did not get to visit it yet.  When I am there in June, I plan to make it a priority to stop in there and see what they have!

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 29, 2007, 03:16:33 PM

And what the heck, since I already posted a few pics...

(http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/mac0115/iar80.JPG)
(http://www.webkits.com.br/news/articlefiles/282-Foto%201.jpg)
(http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Giar80-2.jpg)

http://octgon.hp.infoseek.co.jp/IAR80/romania-am01.htm has a bunch of detail shots of the one in the museum. I don't see the point of doing a "walkaround" photo essay on an inaccurate replica, but whatever.

The cockpit photo I posted is a wartime one from an IAR serving with Grupul 9 Vanatoare, not one of the replicas.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 29, 2007, 03:21:52 PM

Replica cockpit.

(http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7723/iar80int5gq.jpg)

Basically a cardboard mockup.

And unless its been changed since you saw it, the spinner and prop are definitely wrong. Spinner way too small and prop turns the wrong way.

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8463/iar80424rn.jpg)

Now THIS one I like... (except for the cockpit)

(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4820/iar80041ga.jpg)
(http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/1948/iar806ml.jpg)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: rogerdee on March 29, 2007, 03:26:32 PM

wasnt the one in bucherest made up using parts that were dug up and found years after they were buried and other parts fabracated to be similar?

  That was the story i heard  maybe its just rumor

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 29, 2007, 03:28:36 PM

Rumor, I used to have photos of them building it on one of my old computers. Haven't been able to track them down again. Was all sheet metal and wood, built on jigs and sawhorses.

A lot of love and ingenuity went into it, but they were limited in what they had to work with and funds.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Treize69 on March 29, 2007, 03:33:29 PM

Here (http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/03/stuff_eng_iar80.htm)  is about the best English language resource you are gonna find for the IAR 80/81 series on the web.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: JAWS2003 on March 30, 2007, 11:26:05 AM

few more pics:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/post-3-1112699916.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/Giar80-2-1.jpg)


loading the Mauser Mg151/20 cannons.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/post-3-1112702447-1.jpg)

(http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/03/images/iar80_06.jpg)

Title: Iar 80
Post by: JAWS2003 on March 30, 2007, 12:14:32 PM

Here is a little vintage movie clip about Iar-80/81

http://www.worldwar2.ro/media/?article=364 (http://www.worldwar2.ro/media/?article=364)

:aok

Title: Iar 80
Post by: frank3 on March 30, 2007, 12:32:41 PM

Seeing those pictures makes me think of the FW-190, alot of similarities!

Title: Iar 80
Post by: Masherbrum on March 30, 2007, 03:36:54 PM

Quote

Originally posted by frank3
Seeing those pictures makes me think of the FW-190, alot of similarities!

That is what the Allies thought it was when first encountered.

Title: Iar 80
Post by: JAWS2003 on March 30, 2007, 03:38:18 PM

The Romanians were asking throughout the war for BMW-801 engine (the one in the FW-190) , to put in the  IAR-80.  They asked for licence to build it in Romania but they couldn't get it.

The Gnome Rhone  engine used on the IAR reached it's peak at the begining of the war but the Romanians didn't have another engine to put in the plane.

 That's why in 1943 they had to buy BF-109G's from Germany and started licence building complete BF-109's, instead of building only the BMW-801 engine and strap them to the IAR-80. BMW-801  engine was about the same size with the K-1000 and would have been the best choice for the airframe.

 With the BMW engine straped on the light airframe of the IAR-80.the new IAR would have been one of the best front line fighters in the east. Right up there with FW-190 and La5-fn.
 Had generous wing area, great visibility, with the Mauser cannons it had good enough firepower and it could have been a succesful fighter.

  But it was not to be.:cry

Title: Iar 80
Post by: MiloMorai on March 30, 2007, 04:20:29 PM

Scale drawings of the IAR 80,

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/iar80.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/iar80a.html

This one is the best,
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/iar80superdetailed%20plans.html

Title: Iar 80
Post by: MiloMorai on March 31, 2007, 09:35:33 AM

PS. The drawings in the links above should be good enough for anyone who wants to model the IAR80 for Aces High.