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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: doobs on March 22, 2007, 11:01:56 PM
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Let my people go.
comon hog pilots this is our chance while the finns attack HTC for the brewster.
Hog's if you can't fly it, then you can't fly it.
but the guys that can......rock
to the Hog pilots
we know what it can do
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God no.... people try to ho enough already.
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has nothing to do with ho'ing, I see your point, but your point covers many planes, that are availible and not perked.
and I believe the guys who fly the hog full time like myself, never HO
granted your point would rein true, but again that could be said already for many non perked cannon planes ie: hurri 2, typhie, 109's, 190's
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None of those can come off of cv's though ;)
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Doobs. I know you remember when the Chog wasnt perked. And no one wants that to happen again.
also.... LA5 :lol
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No, thanks. Its fine as it is.
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NEVER!
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keep it perked....its an ubar ride. don't need every newbie in it
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I thought the plan was to have the -1C/-1D merged into the same plane, but having the 4x 2.0cm option be "perked ordinance"?
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If the Lgay-7 and the Spixteen aren't perked, then the C-hog shouldn't be either....I don't fly the La-7....but I love a good spit dweebin now and again....and when I kill somebody in a spixteen I feel kinda dweebish and know that I really am....but the point is, that unless you just wanna ho the S outta everybody the C-hog(out of all perk planes), is the hardest to fly well in all situations in my opinion.....the NIKI isn't perked, and is much easier to fly and has basically the same guns(cannons, and lot's of em). All I'm sayin is a good f4u pilot has paid his dues learning to fly that pig(I can't fly those darn thing's, and I try often) I don't think it should be perked....I love 50 cals, but how many american rides get the "cannon"
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The Spit and LALA are not perked because they also make good trainer aircraft. In H2H they are used extensively as trainers for the newest of the folks to flying. The skill level to fly one decently is much lower, allowing new folks wanting to be pilots to actually take off and land. This is also true in the training arena and the MAs.
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lagger86 I guess you where not here when the MA was infested by C Hogs
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Originally posted by straffo
lagger86 I guess you where not here when the MA was infested by C Hogs
No, I guess I wasn't....I have enough trouble with the Tempests the Nikis the la's and the p40's....and all the other plane's that fly...not to mention the ostie's...I feel hopeless now...........but that's O.K.
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I feel hopeless too .. and I'm here since 99
My actual almost retirement doesn't help too :)
I woan't be surprised to see the population of spitXVI/niki/la7 disappear if the CHog is unperked.
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The Spixteen and LaLa crowd won't swarm to the C Hog. The C Hog takes more skill and effort to fly well. A lot more.
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Originally posted by lagger86
the C-hog(out of all perk planes), is the hardest to fly well in all situations in my opinion.....
I'd say it's the F4U-4. Unperk the F4U-4 but leave the C Hog perked.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The Spixteen and LaLa crowd won't swarm to the C Hog. The C Hog takes more skill and effort to fly well. A lot more.
I do not agree. Been at this game less than a month and I managed to kill alot of things in a -1 and -1a. I would have half the deaths in those planes if not for the fact I was using them while I learned this game (this game is quite different than the flight sim I came from) so do not take my stats as anything special.
The Corsairs do not seem to climb or accelerate at a great rate, but otherwise they seem above average and even superior in every other aspect from zoom climb, turning ability, deceleration, firepower (I prefer 6x .50 cals to anything except the quad cannon configuration, but with the C well you even get the cannons). Edit: forgot to add dive and fuel range.
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The perk cost is so low as to mute the point.
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I’m in the unperk the C-hog camp.(or should I say perk the LA-7)
This is not your typical Dweeb plane, it dose take some skill to fly.
Un-like the LA-7 (the all time ho leader) if you don’t unperk the C-hog you should perk the LA-7.
The LA-7 unbalances the game IMHO and granted it can’t fly off of a carrier but low and slow the C-hog is toast.
The LA-7 will up out of a caped base in a heart beat.
I would never try this in a C-hog.
(If some of you are good enough to try this in a C-hog how about some lessons.)
Unperk the C-hog or perk the LA-7.
The LA-7 is a Super plane (Climb, Speed, Acceleration & fire power) that any dweeb can fly and heaven help you if there is a competent pilot in the seat.
The LA-7 should be perked comparably to the C-hog!!
At least there would be some thought given to flying the LA-7.
:furious
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Originally posted by toadkill
Doobs. I know you remember when the Chog wasnt perked. And no one wants that to happen again.
also.... LA5 :lol
Amen !!
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IMHO the perk on the C-hog is so light that it works out fine. Anyone with enough skill to actually fly the C-Hog anywhere but into the ground is going to have enough perks to get it without too much pain. I guess I'm trying to say that the perk system works pretty much perfectly in this particular instance.
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Leave the CHog alone.
But perk the HELL out of the LA-7. Seriously, I don't see any legitimate reason not to (the "trainer" argument is weak, fellas...any Spit or even the Runstang would suffice).
Perk points are supposed to prevent overuse of planes that can throw off balance, correct? And the LaLa is more worthy of being perked than well over half the planes that are already.
It's faster than damn near everything, it can turn with damn near everything, it has better guns than damn near everything, it can outclimb damn near everything...it can pretty much out-everything damn near everything in any fighter category.
Frankly, the fact that it's not perked is ridiculous. I'm an unapologetic Dweebfire 8 fanatic, and even I won't touch the LaLa out of sheer pride.
Perk it! It should certainly be perked higher than the C Hog, too.
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Originally posted by frosty
Leave the CHog alone.
But perk the HELL out of the LA-7. Seriously, I don't see any legitimate reason not to (the "trainer" argument is weak, fellas...any Spit or even the Runstang would suffice).
Perk points are supposed to prevent overuse of planes that can throw off balance, correct? And the LaLa is more worthy of being perked than well over half the planes that are already.
Not to mention that perks mean squat in the TA, so you can fly whatever you want in there... I agree with you, frosty.
I'm a spit dweeb but my preference is the 9...
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Originally posted by frosty
Leave the CHog alone.
But perk the HELL out of the LA-7. Seriously, I don't see any legitimate reason not to (the "trainer" argument is weak, fellas...any Spit or even the Runstang would suffice).
Perk points are supposed to prevent overuse of planes that can throw off balance, correct? And the LaLa is more worthy of being perked than well over half the planes that are already.
It's faster than damn near everything, it can turn with damn near everything, it has better guns than damn near everything, it can outclimb damn near everything...it can pretty much out-everything damn near everything in any fighter category.
Frankly, the fact that it's not perked is ridiculous. I'm an unapologetic Dweebfire 8 fanatic, and even I won't touch the LaLa out of sheer pride.
Perk it! It should certainly be perked higher than the C Hog, too.
But the fact is, most LALA pilots are not really much threat. The majority are noobs or noskilled vets who don't even fly this very dangerous plane to it's potential. Therefor they are no threat to any decent pilot. The LALA give the noobs a plane they can be competative in. The real problem is that some of them never move on to other rides.
You can't say that about the majority of Hog pilots. In my experience the majority of hog drivers I encounter are a cut above the rest. I always assume when encountering a Hog that I'm in for a fight and play it accordingly. Plus, as stated the perk on the -C is so low that if you can't afford it the you shouldn't even be IN it.
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Perk the best performer in the VVS inventory. Right. Then the P.51D and Spit.XVI and N1K should also be perked.
Thus far this tour -
Total La-7 kills and deaths : 46,604
Total P.51D kills and deaths : 52,323
Total Spit.XVI kills and deaths : 51,039
Total N1k kills and deaths : 55,451
Give them all a very light perk like the -1C.
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LA7s held the top space since they were introduced, until the Spit16 showed up, then it traded off a few times.
I think the arena split and massive ENY unbalancing has limited its use a bit, but have no fear, it's still the same plane that had twice as many kills as the next runner up for many years straight.
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Flying the F4U's a bit here and there- I think we need to leave the hogs perked/unperked as they are. Even the basic cost level seems great.
The two that are perked are perked for good reason. They are both absolute monsters, for obvious reasons. To unperk them would be to make them so common in the arena's as to be ridiculous. To get killed in the F4U-4 more or less means you are not paying attention, or are flying recklessly. The Chog cannons will wipe out anything they hit with a mere "tickle".
Perking them keeps the overall usage #'s down, which is better from a historical aspect, where they were more rare than the other hogs. Perking them also keeps you "honest" in that you are likely to be a little more cautious while flying them, which eliminates a lot of the diving into any situation with guns-a-blazin' scenario which is where a lot of the HO whines originate. Make somebody pay for a plane, and they will probably make an effort to manuever into a good position for a shot rather than succumb to 50/50 chance of an HO.
I think the LA and Spixteen #'s in the MA are kind of crazy too. Perking them might be ok too. However, I do agree that the the newbies need at least a few "uber" rides to help them through the viscious learning curve. It would not be fair to have these rides cost so much that the folks that have a legitimate need for them couldn't afford them. Then only the guys skilled enough to have perks in the bank could fly them. Massive handicap against the newbies. An LA or Spixteen flown as a new pilot flys really doesn't stand a chance against any of the better flown hogs anyway.
I propose this- We leave the perk system alone. We label a certain few "free" planes as dweebish, and look the other way when the newbies use them to get through their growing pains. We then however tease the more experienced players shamelessly for using them too much, and hope to convince them to try something more "sporting".
Really the perked corsairs are awful cheap anyway. One hop in a -1 or -1D or -1A will net enough perks to fly two or more sorties in a Chog, or one in a -4, even if you die!
MtnMan
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So far this camp I've killed 10 LA-7's and been killed by 4 LA-7's. Most every camp the numbers are like that.
They don't seem like such a big threat to me. In fact most of the time I see one I figure it for an easy kill almost regardless of what I'm flying.
Guess I'll have to try one out one day to see what all the fuss is about.
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Originally posted by Krusty
LA7s held the top space since they were introduced, until the Spit16 showed up, then it traded off a few times.
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When will you stop dis informing people ?
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Really the perked corsairs are awful cheap anyway. One hop in a -1 or -1D or -1A will net enough perks to fly two or more sorties in a Chog, or one in a -4, even if you die!
Note. I'm not arguing that the perk system needs to be changed.
Regardless, I feel compelled to point out that that's just not true for most people. Even when I land 3 or 4 kill sorties in a -1A or the -1D, I usually only get 2-3 perk points, which means an average of 10 or so sorties to "earn back" an F4U-1C or -4 loss.
And I'm certainly not bad in the F4U (which is my ride also).
But MtnMan is a *PHENOMENAL* pilot who also flies the F4U exclusively or nearly so, and as such, his perception of the ease of accumulating perk points in it is in my humble opinion skewed by his skill. It's probably pretty easy for him to bank perkies in the F4U's, but for most mere mortals, it's much more difficult.
Note. I'm not arguing that the perk system needs to be changed, merely pointing out the above.
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Originally posted by quintv
Total La-7 kills and deaths : 46,604
Total P.51D kills and deaths : 52,323
Total Spit.XVI kills and deaths : 51,039
Total N1k kills and deaths : 55,451
Give them all a very light perk like the -1C.
This actually sounds good to me. Give people a reason to spend their perkies.
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Originally posted by steely1
low and slow the C-hog is toast.
hmm i fly chog and this is where i get most of my kills :)
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Originally posted by straffo
When will you stop dis informing people ?
Erm? Wha..?? Dude, if you have an agenda with me, take it private.
You can look up the LA7 kills per tour, going back to tour 12. You can look up the n1k2 (second runner up) and other planes as well. Except for the breif time where the C-hog ran rampant, the La-7 was king supreme for kills, often with 10,000 more than the nearest runner up (which was always the n1k2).
When the Spixteen came out, its first few months it bested even the la7 with numbers in the 40,000's. Then it settled down again, traded places with the La7 maybe one or more times.
The LA7 held that position until the arena split and all the ENY changes. The arenas have limited the La7s use, but dont' forget its track record.
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What no cry to perk the P47N?????????
I'm to say at the least made to sniffel and mist up my eyes in weak indignation.......:cry
Guess the 56th just needs to roll up our sleeves and try harder to make people whine about Jug's in the MA.........:O
Now if we could get the P47M introduced in the game for that hotrod Jug effect.....BIG FAST JUGS.......orrrr aren't you guys happy the U.S. never put cannons on P47's? :t Just imagine a P47N with the CHog's cannons.....and no perk...Oh the whailing and the nashing of teeth...........:p
Hey maybe as an off line arena joke, HTC could model the P47N with the CHogs armament profile and let us experience what could have never been....hehehhee....:huh
If you really want to complain about what needs to be perked fly a P47D-40 or N for one tour. At which point you will want everything else in the game perked including the C47 and RV8........ :D
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I dont mean to jump into a thread that seems designed to troll newbies...but here is a little insight....
Until there is just one plane available there will always be a "uber" or "dweeb" ride.....when you perk that one etc...another will rise to the top...
Why you ask?????
Because in every game from AW to AH there wil be goobers like the responders in this thread who insist on telling people what constitutes a "better/easier/dweebier" ride...they are more concerned with how other people fly then improving their own skills to a point where they could care less...instead the reason they are not uber is because other people wont fly the planes they can kill with the plane they like to fly....
Now for the real reason why the f4u-1c is perked and the spixteen isnt...a spit XVI only has 240 rounds of cannon....the c-hog has 900....(i dont know the actual number)...i fly the chog when im gonna vulch...the fuel lasts forever and so does the cannon....this is not true with the lala or spit....niki is somewhere in-between....
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i like the d40 because it reminds me of a chog with 8x50s but the respect thing probably comes from the fact that most of us only see them way above the crowd and pay them no mind till they're blowing us outa the sky in a wicked dive. even the good jug pilots do this which boggles me because its a beast in a rollin sissors fight like the chog..
im usually happy with entering the fight with them at 5-7k alt like i do the chog. the ones that spot me low and engage are usually in the tower by the 2nd overshot.. the majority of the uber jug pilots enter at 12-15k sometimes 20k..
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Unperk the Hog? its what, 10 points? :lol
Please.
It was perked for a reason.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Now for the real reason why the f4u-1c is perked and the spixteen isnt...a spit XVI only has 240 rounds of cannon....the c-hog has 900....(i dont know the actual number)...i fly the chog when im gonna vulch...the fuel lasts forever and so does the cannon....this is not true with the lala or spit....niki is somewhere in-between....
oh really? i thought it was because there was only 100 chogs made while spits pretty much were plenty..
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Awwwwww....Falconwing you big goober. I was just rying to get everyone in P47's for a tour so I could cherry them with a Tempest......:( Your just a wet blanket. Now I have to go back to doing all that pilot kinda watermelon to land my kills...you goober...grrrrr......:p
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sigh...if there were only p-38s available ..then the guys who flew the p-38l would be designated as dweebs who couldnt "master" the p-38g...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
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It's usually 10 to 20 perk points. If you can't afford that than something is wrong.....
:lol
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Originally posted by TW9
oh really? i thought it was because there was only 100 chogs made while spits pretty much were plenty..
are you serious????
when the chog first came out the arenas were dominated by them...so HTC assigned perkage to them so they would fall in usage....perks have nothing to do with the historical numbers of the aircraft/gv....
your trolling me right?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
are you serious????
when the chog first came out the arenas were dominated by them...so HTC assigned perkage to them so they would fall in usage....perks have nothing to do with the historical numbers of the aircraft/gv....
your trolling me right?
no i honestly thought the reason planes were perked was partially due to rarity.. not just balancing.. if it were just balancing then i'd think the la7 and n1k would be perked.. i have seen many times entering a defended field and seeing like 10 or more of each la7s and n1ks..
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Originally posted by TW9
no i honestly thought the reason planes were perked was partially due to rarity.. not just balancing.. if it were just balancing then i'd think the la7 and n1k would be perked.. i have seen many times entering a defended field and seeing like 10 or more of each la7s and n1ks..
Think about the business side of it....
HT will gladly leave te spit16 and la7's unperked just to get the n00bs to sub up and hopefully learn from their ways and move on to other rides. Kind of a self balancing thingy. But folks were not moving out of the chog...just increasing in numbers.
All about getting folks to pay 15 a month....once you put that thought first...the perkage system makes sense ;)
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Pffft. Unless the Hog is grossly overloaded on gas in a low-speed fight with equal pilots the F4U will win against the La-7 a significant majority of the time.
The only things the La-7 does better in a fight is run and get up to speed TO run. And while the La-7 may win in straight climb, in the middle of a duel ZOOM counts for FAR more, and the F4U WILL catch or escape the La-7 in the zoom (and I've done this more than enough on La's either catching or escaping me at level flight).
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Originally posted by Krusty
Erm? Wha..?? Dude, if you have an agenda with me, take it private.
I have.
And you didn't pissed me in private.
Btw I wasted almost one hour of my time to check the stats the only think I can say before going to bed is YOU don't have do that. Or you should have noticed your post was false.
Do you remember when was the LA-7 added ?
now re read your post.
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Originally posted by bustr
What no cry to perk the P47N?????????
I'm to say at the least made to sniffel and mist up my eyes in weak indignation.......:cry
Guess the 56th just needs to roll up our sleeves and try harder to make people whine about Jug's in the MA.........:O
Now if we could get the P47M introduced in the game for that hotrod Jug effect.....BIG FAST JUGS.......orrrr aren't you guys happy the U.S. never put cannons on P47's? :t Just imagine a P47N with the CHog's cannons.....and no perk...Oh the whailing and the nashing of teeth...........:p
Hey maybe as an off line arena joke, HTC could model the P47N with the CHogs armament profile and let us experience what could have never been....hehehhee....:huh
If you really want to complain about what needs to be perked fly a P47D-40 or N for one tour. At which point you will want everything else in the game perked including the C47 and RV8........ :D
What limits the Chog isn't perk level, it's ENY rating, which is 5, along with the N.---ANY eny kicks in for you side and the Lghey, P47N and Chog are in the hangar (Anyone who's been here a month has enough perks to fly a few chogs) For whatever reason, the HTC crew has eny'd the N as a FIVE---just like the Lghey and the Chog. That extra 20 knots or so is the difference between the D40 and the N--getting caught by spit-dweebs and the like(Lgheys stll catch an N under 5-7k or so), so I guess thats worth 10 or so lower eny points. :furious
(As I've noticed, most of the 56th guys fly the D40 anyhow---every flight I take in the thing ends in fiery,screaming death---kinda like ridin in Ted Kennedy's car )
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Originally posted by bj229r
What limits the Chog isn't perk level, it's ENY rating, which is 5, along with the N.---ANY eny kicks in for you side and the Lghey, P47N and Chog are in the hangar (Anyone who's been here a month has enough perks to fly a few chogs) For whatever reason, the HTC crew has eny'd the N as a FIVE---just like the Lghey and the Chog. That extra 20 knots or so is the difference between the D40 and the N--getting caught by spit-dweebs and the like(Lgheys stll catch an N under 5-7k or so), so I guess thats worth 10 or so lower eny points. :furious
(As I've noticed, most of the 56th guys fly the D40 anyhow---every flight I take in the thing ends in fiery,screaming death---kinda like ridin in Ted Kennedy's car )
If you fly the N right, it's WEP will pull you out of everything and get you home safe. We fly the D40 to perk farm most of the time. But if you want to fly N like a spit, take 25% fuel and get at least 10k befor diving into a furball. Platano has become a master of the P47-spit-N and he alone should have his 47N perked.......:cool: Still imagine doing that with 4 hizzokaz and a bigger ammo load then the CHog............:t Man I could give up Scotch if HTC goofed for a week and put 20mm on the N...................:cool:
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Originally posted by doobs
Let my people go.
comon hog pilots this is our chance while the finns attack HTC for the brewster.
Hog's if you can't fly it, then you can't fly it.
but the guys that can......rock
to the Hog pilots
we know what it can do
4x 20mms? + speed, turn = free? no way
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Ya know what, never mind
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Originally posted by spikes
4x 20mms? + speed, turn = free? no way
lol speed is hardly an asset if it takes forever to reach the top speed. and it only turns good if u know how to fly it well and at the point it can turn well (slow and flaps deployed) it has very poor accelleration and if ur fighting someone that has any idea of how to fly, all they have to do is stay in verticals and the chog is pretty much doomed..
but since most of the spittards and n1ks have no idea what acm is and do nothing but flat turns i end up racking me kills up in it and it gets the dweeb plane label :)..
i dont think the perks should be removed but i do disagree with the eny.. the chog has the big guns and big flaps and rudder but most of the rides between eny 5-15 have better assets imo..
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Originally posted by TW9
lol speed is hardly an asset if it takes forever to reach the top speed. and it only turns good if u know how to fly it well and at the point it can turn well (slow and flaps deployed) it has very poor accelleration and if ur fighting someone that has any idea of how to fly, all they have to do is stay in verticals and the chog is pretty much doomed..
but since most of the spittards and n1ks have no idea what acm is and do nothing but flat turns i end up racking me kills up in it and it gets the dweeb plane label :)..
i dont think the perks should be removed but i do disagree with the eny.. the chog has the big guns and big flaps and rudder but most of the rides between eny 5-15 have better assets imo..
I concurr!:aok
I think the perk ought to be around 5 though.
Mark
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Originally posted by bustr
If you fly the N right, it's WEP will pull you out of everything and get you home safe. We fly the D40 to perk farm most of the time. But if you want to fly N like a spit, take 25% fuel and get at least 10k befor diving into a furball. Platano has become a master of the P47-spit-N and he alone should have his 47N perked.......:cool: Still imagine doing that with 4 hizzokaz and a bigger ammo load then the CHog............:t Man I could give up Scotch if HTC goofed for a week and put 20mm on the N...................:cool:
Yah, I usually up with 50 and a drop, arrive at 10-15k, usually do ok---several times each run I have a spit or something closing to 800 or so my 6 before I get away---with me and D40..those scenarios go FAR more poorly:cry --I just can't fly it the same way