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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Widewing on March 23, 2007, 09:02:44 PM
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From Official Army After Action Reports describing the battle at St. Vith, Belgium, during the Battle of The Bulge:
"While the northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern sector (Troop A, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron; Company A, 38th Armored Infantry Battalion; Troop E, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron) had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been when an M8 armored car from Troop B destroyed a (King) Tiger tank.
The armored car had been in a concealed position near the boundary of Troop 3, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron and Company A, 38th Armored Infantry Battalion, when the Tiger approached the lines at right angles to move along a trail in front of the main line of resistance. As the tank passed the armored car, the latter slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on it. It was a race between the Americans, who were attempting to close so that their 37-mm gun would be effective on the Tiger's thin rear armor, and the Germans, who were desperately striving to bring their 88 to bear. Rapidly the M8 closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in three rounds; the lumbering Tiger stopped and shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which billowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position."
Sound familiar?
My regards,
Widewing
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:O whoa..wish that was true in AH..can part RIGht behind that trone in off line and shoot all my ammo into it and nothing:furious
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Originally posted by Wes14
:O whoa..wish that was true in AH..can part RIGht behind that trone in off line and shoot all my ammo into it and nothing:furious
dont we all Wes...dont we all...:confused:
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well even of the M8 could kill a tiger we dont have to worry:D
t3h Shermans are coming
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Originally posted by Widewing
Rapidly the M8 closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in three rounds; the lumbering Tiger stopped and shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which billowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position
:eek: That took some balls.
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Are you sure it wasn't a spunky little stuart The Haunted Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunted_Tank) :)
Charon
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In that link it has to be a Rook at the controls of that 190, only they would be so dumb as to HOram a GV.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
:eek: That took some balls.
You ain't fooling!
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Originally posted by Wes14
:O whoa..wish that was true in AH..can part RIGht behind that trone in off line and shoot all my ammo into it and nothing:furious
Try HE? I had what I thought was an interesting experience similar to that last week. Came up behind a Panzer in an M-8 and put 3 rounds of HE into its rear and it went boom.
With AP I've tracked and turreted panzers from 25 yards or so but the HE seemed to be much more effective. It suprised me anyway.
Of course, .50cals can kill a Tiger.....
wrngwy
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How do you kill an AH Tiger with 50s?
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You drive inside it with a Jeep!
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That's not the Tiger, it's the pilot.
That exploit needs to be fixed.
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ROFL
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Originally posted by moot
That's not the Tiger, it's the pilot.
That exploit needs to be fixed.
Nope best bug in the game. Lazy arse spawn campers need motivation to move.
NO tank crew would allow ANY enemy GV to get that close in the first place.
Jeeps are easily dispatched by commander's position gun.
It should stay just for that reason alone.
Bronk
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I agree, but it's an exploit. It needs to be fixed.
Spawn campers can be killed if you up enough GVs from the already sufficiently scattered spawn. Alternatively you can just bomb the suckers.
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
Try HE? I had what I thought was an interesting experience similar to that last week. Came up behind a Panzer in an M-8 and put 3 rounds of HE into its rear and it went boom.
With AP I've tracked and turreted panzers from 25 yards or so but the HE seemed to be much more effective. It suprised me anyway.
Of course, .50cals can kill a Tiger.....
wrngwy
I've killed a few Tigers in the M8 by shooting it in the arse. In another thread, I mentioned cirlce strafing in the M8 against the Tiger (if there is sufficient room to permit it) and firing when you've got the shot on its arse. The Tiger's turret traverses too slowly to track the M8 as it circle strafes.
ack-ack
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"Nope best bug in the game. Lazy arse spawn campers need motivation to move.
NO tank crew would allow ANY enemy GV to get that close in the first place.
Jeeps are easily dispatched by commander's position gun.
It should stay just for that reason alone."
Sounds like a stupid "reason" to me.
I was killed by Jeep once. Saw him coming after me and stopped the Pz and started turning the mg to take him out, he rammed my *** and boom I was dead -no time to shoot or try anything. Run away? I think he would have handly caught me. I first thought it was a feature in the ramming code but that does not concern GVs.
So you can actually drive inside enemy tank and kill its crew with you hull mg if the turret is disabled? Sheesh....
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Originally posted by Charge
"Nope best bug in the game. Lazy arse spawn campers need motivation to move.
NO tank crew would allow ANY enemy GV to get that close in the first place.
Jeeps are easily dispatched by commander's position gun.
It should stay just for that reason alone."
Sounds like a stupid "reason" to me.
I was killed by Jeep once. Saw him coming after me and stopped the Pz and started turning the mg to take him out, he rammed my *** and boom I was dead -no time to shoot or try anything. Run away? I think he would have handly caught me. I first thought it was a feature in the ramming code but that does not concern GVs.
So you can actually drive inside enemy tank and kill its crew with you hull mg if the turret is disabled? Sheesh....
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Charge
Why did you stop? That allows them to close the gap faster. All you have to do is jump to the commanders position while moving.
I have yet to have a jeep kill me since I learned the bug.
And yup if you allow that turreted gv to get inside he could.
Once again no gv commander would knowingly allow any gv damaged or undamaged to get close to him.
Lazy spawn campers must have motivation to move. This bug provides it.
Bronk
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I agree on that bug. Keep it there. You can up as many spawners as you want, but if the spawn is camped, they already have the range dialed in, and youll be dead before your engine starts. Bombing is the ONLY way to fix that, and since you people b*tch about being bombed...
And yeah, really, if you cannot keep a jeep away from a panzer... unless your tracked and he approaches from your high side, you have no excuse. you have 2 machine guns and 75mm + gun, a jeep should be dessert and coffee.
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Originally posted by moot
That's not the Tiger, it's the pilot.
That exploit needs to be fixed.
The collision model would wreak havoc with GVs if it was enabled. Can't search for GV + collision, but someone from HTC posted on the matter a while back.
Couldn't find anything directly from HT or Pyro, just references by other players to comments allegedly made by HTC. Mentions of clipping violations, lag, and vehicles either flying apart at warp speed, or getting stuck together.
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aye, so ya say, a tiger is all that easy to kill but what about an M8 vs a Polar Bear, now figure that one out why dont ya...
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Yep, I know about repulsion bugs. You find them in almost any game with physics. I didn't mean it had to be that fix specifically.. It could be the gun that locks up when inside another GV, the same way bombers got their trigger lock, or anything else.
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Simple, Sneak up behind teh tigr and drive inside it and fire like a crazy freak, Of course be in a jeep when you do it and BANG goes the tiger :), Man those were fun times.
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"Why did you stop?"
Well, I didn't know it then and I was in a city so I didn't wand to end up against a building.
"Lazy spawn campers must have motivation to move."
Yeah, I have noticed that is a problem which is not entirely solved by random spawning. The spawns are located badly or the random spawn area is not big enough.
What if there was a box of explosives you could drop anywhere from a Jeep, next to building or next to tank and it would go off in 10 secs. There would be sense to drive a lone Jeep to city to take down that last building or you could force the campers to move?
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Originally posted by Charge
"Why did you stop?"
Well, I didn't know it then and I was in a city so I didn't wand to end up against a building.
"Lazy spawn campers must have motivation to move."
Yeah, I have noticed that is a problem which is not entirely solved by random spawning. The spawns are located badly or the random spawn area is not big enough.
What if there was a box of explosives you could drop anywhere from a Jeep, next to building or next to tank and it would go off in 10 secs. There would be sense to drive a lone Jeep to city to take down that last building or you could force the campers to move?
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Sure, but until something like that is done the jeep bug shouldn't be touched.
Bronk
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Originally posted by outbreak
Of course be in a jeep when you do it
I was VALIANTLY defending our base for an hour, after the enemy attack died down, I joined in the drive to the next base in my panzer. That attack failed, and they begined to flank us and resume the attack on our base, so with 8 summodd kills, I began to fall back to resume defending our base. Litterally halfway between the two I got tracked (both tracks), and seconds later our base fell. The point of my story? I then had to spend 20 minutes watching some retard in an M3 try to use that little "Get inside the tank thing". Why didnt I shoot? Pintle was out of ammo :( Why didnt I just end sortie? He was just so stupid I couldnt hold my hand steady enough due to laughter!
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Originally posted by Widewing
From Official Army After Action Reports describing the battle at St. Vith, Belgium, during the Battle of The Bulge:
"While the northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern sector (Troop A, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron; Company A, 38th Armored Infantry Battalion; Troop E, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron) had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been when an M8 armored car from Troop B destroyed a (King) Tiger tank.
The armored car had been in a concealed position near the boundary of Troop 3, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron and Company A, 38th Armored Infantry Battalion, when the Tiger approached the lines at right angles to move along a trail in front of the main line of resistance. As the tank passed the armored car, the latter slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on it. It was a race between the Americans, who were attempting to close so that their 37-mm gun would be effective on the Tiger's thin rear armor, and the Germans, who were desperately striving to bring their 88 to bear. Rapidly the M8 closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in three rounds; the lumbering Tiger stopped and shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which billowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position."
I have looked into the penetration values of the 37mm Gun on the M8 and it shows that a 37mm CAN penetrate the thin armor on the rear on the King Tiger
King Tiger rear hull Thickness from this Link http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/tanks-heavy/pzkpfw-vi-b.asp (Scroll down page to find it) shows that the armor was 80mm thick
The M6 37mm gun with it's APC M51B1 or M51B2 can puncture 2.1 to 2.4 inches of armor from 500 yards (2.1inches=about 53mm, 2.4 Inches=62mm)
Of course a 37mm gun wont do anything at 500 yards but at such a close range of 25 yards, that thing has some punch.
(Information on the M6 37mm Gun and M8 found on these links http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/guns.asp
and http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/armored-cars/m-8.asp