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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: *UH* on March 25, 2007, 12:35:53 AM
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anyone think that they should put the DO-335 in the game?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Do335a-0_1945_USN_Patuxent_River_test_center.jpg)
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did it see combat?
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as raider said but heres my question:
what the fack is that thing supposto do?:confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
as raider said but heres my question:
what the fack is that thing supposto do?:confused:
well its a plane so....
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It most likely saw combat, but not in unit strength, so no it wouldn't be eligible for inclusion in AH.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
well its a plane so....
well by looking i dont think it would be a good fighter...:noid
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It was one of the fastest ever built. The pusher/puller setup gave twice the thrust with half the drag.
It wasn't without problems, though.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
did it see combat?
if you trust wikipedia:
In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed, the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position.
there are other accounts of combat, though sparse and sometimes hard to verify because of the extremely odd nature of the aircraft. Some say odd planes all over Germany were encountered, and the accounts can be attributed to various planes in development, most never seeing "attack" combat roles.
Look at the different planes Germany had "in the works" and prototypes that flew... heck you could make an "argument" that 2/3 of those planes "saw combat" but when the allied aggressor can't readily identify what he is attacking, it is "hearsay"
did the DO-335 shoot down any allied planes? it is somewhat lost in the destroyed records of the war IMHO. there are sporadic accounts of DO-335 pilots killing P-51's but with only the LW pilot account to verify and shoddy at best it can not be conclusive. (with the guns it had any plane "shot down" there were no bail out "survivor" accounts obviously)
I would say the fact it was engaged by a relatively famous pilot that it had combat, maybe for a month. (realistically what are the odds one "famous" pilot who lived encountered the "rarest" LW plane? others had to encounter it, thought the inability to properly identify it obviously made for some confusion, and ommisions in "official" records)
at least that is my take on the wonderfully beautiful, grandiose, wished for, kick arse, monster cool, spend ALL my perks on, LW ride that could be in the game
:aok
I will say this, of all the "cool arse" possible planes HTC could model, some that were theories, or not developed in time for combat, the DO-335 is a front runner for possible inclusion, as there ARE accounts of it, more than things like say the Gloster Meteor, or other "super planes"
I dare say it would be an awesome 262 hunter in the MA, and really be a fun plane to fly, much more so than the tempest, and it would be a well favored propeller driven "perk plane" in the MA rotation. Come on, who wouldn't want to fly it :D :aok
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The plane was fast, thats for sure but I've done some research and the Do-335 (ALL VARIANTS) had little production.
Please Excuse the Format...
Dornier-Werke G.m.b.H.
(Oberpfaffenhofen, Weßling, Germany)
Version Quantity Assembly Location Time Period
Do 335V1 to V14 (Production:13+1*)Friedrichshafen mid 1943-mid 1944
Do 335A-0 (10) Oberpfaffenhofen July 1944-Oct 1944
Do 335A-1 (11+9*) Oberpfaffenhofen Nov 1944-April 1945
Do 335A-4 (4*) Oberpfaffenhofen Jan 1945-Feb 1945
Do 335A-6 (none made) Heinkel, Vienna-Swechat -
Do 335A-10 (1+1*) Oberpfaffenhofen Oct 1944-Apr 1945
Do 335A-12 (2+2*) Oberpfaffenhofen Nov 1944-Apr 1945
Do 335B-1 (1) Oberpfaffenhofen Jan-Feb 1945
Do 335B-2 ( 2) Oberpfaffenhofen Feb-Mar 1945
Do 335B-3 ( 1*) Oberpfaffenhofen Feb-April 1945
Do 335B-6 (2) Oberpfaffenhofen Jan-Feb 1945
Do 335B-7 (1*) Oberpfaffenhofen Feb-April 1945
Do 335B-8 (Production:2*) Oberpfaffenhofen Feb-April 1945
Total Production: 42 + 21*
Excuse me... i dont know of any plane in all of Aces High that has a low production value like the Do-335 , I mean only 42 were produced?! we might have it but simply too few were made to be used
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Originally posted by Wes14
as raider said but heres my question:
what the fack is that thing supposto do?:confused:
Actually it was quite fast, well armed and manuverable for a twin.
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i though it was some unique bomber
:noid
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Look at this last aircraft design by Junkers.
CLICK ME! (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.luft46.com/junkers/3bj132.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luft46.com/junkers/juef132.html&h=306&w=548&sz=13&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=5fIdExAJoNhLMM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJunkers%2BEF%2B132%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)
Kinda looks like our American bombers the B-36, B-47, and B-52. All mix into one.
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Willfly: It was still in development, that's why most of those numbers are low. They were 1-off testbeds. The only real production version was the A-1, if I recall. I don't know if your numbers for that are accurate, as I've heard that at least 40-50 were built. I could be wrong, though.
As for bomber: It was also designed to have an internal bomb bay (to reduce drag) and could carry bombs in it. However, often this was filled with an extra fuel tank instead, as the original plan was dropped and it was developed as a pure fighter instead.
The main problem is that the production version was lightly armed, with 1x 30mm hub gun and 2x 15mm cannon. The test-bed versions had 2x30mm in the wings as well, or some such added weaponry, but wasn't in full production (still in testing) at the end of the war.
The prototypes and testbeds are what make it interesting, the plain old A-1 wasn't too great, speed aside.
EDIT: Oh, and it won't ever make AH.
1) Must be production aircraft (no prototypes) - check!
2) Must have seen combat - most likely check!
3) Must have seen service at least in unit strength - nope!
No unit was ever equipped with them, as a whole.
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well...i tired -.-
it would've made a good Aircraft in AH
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Originally posted by VooWho
Look at this last aircraft design by Junkers.
CLICK ME! (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.luft46.com/junkers/3bj132.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luft46.com/junkers/juef132.html&h=306&w=548&sz=13&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=5fIdExAJoNhLMM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJunkers%2BEF%2B132%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)
Kinda looks like our American bombers the B-36, B-47, and B-52. All mix into one.
STOP TRYING TO HIJACK MY THREADS VOOWHO!
pesky HG squad members :mad:
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Whatever version they have in Il-2 has a bomb bay in it, so it was a fancy bomber. I'm guessing the same thing happened to it as did the Me-262.
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Originally posted by *UH*
anyone think that they should put the DO-335 in the game?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Do335a-0_1945_USN_Patuxent_River_test_center.jpg)
I suggested this in the new 'vote for next aircraft thread', I'd love it.
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cool...theyshould have it in the game
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what the fack is that thing supposto do?
Over 470 mph. at alt, from what I've read. Acceleration and Sea lvl perfomance will take some digging up.
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The P-47M was faster.
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I would love to see the German arrow in the game.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Willfly: It was still in development, that's why most of those numbers are low. They were 1-off testbeds. The only real production version was the A-1, if I recall. I don't know if your numbers for that are accurate, as I've heard that at least 40-50 were built. I could be wrong, though.
As for bomber: It was also designed to have an internal bomb bay (to reduce drag) and could carry bombs in it. However, often this was filled with an extra fuel tank instead, as the original plan was dropped and it was developed as a pure fighter instead.
The main problem is that the production version was lightly armed, with 1x 30mm hub gun and 2x 15mm cannon. The test-bed versions had 2x30mm in the wings as well, or some such added weaponry, but wasn't in full production (still in testing) at the end of the war.
The prototypes and testbeds are what make it interesting, the plain old A-1 wasn't too great, speed aside.
EDIT: Oh, and it won't ever make AH.
1) Must be production aircraft (no prototypes) - check!
2) Must have seen combat - most likely check!
3) Must have seen service at least in unit strength - nope!
No unit was ever equipped with them, as a whole.
These numbers are ALL taken directly from research, not straight out of the top of my head so if my numbers are inaccurate, plus I do know this aircraft was not used so I can agree with you on the part that it will never reach AH
EDIT:I never said the plane was produced for military units... and I already understood that these low numbers were because all were only prototypes
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Originally posted by Willfly
I already understood that these low numbers were because all were only prototypes
Sorry for being redundant, then!
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Hey, im not trying to offend you...you look a bit irritated so sorry if I look like I am.
Postscript: Please pardon me for a post not relating to primary thread topic (DornierDO-335)
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If that's the case, it's sad that it won't be considered for introduction.
Such a unique aircraft would truly be wonderful to have in the game.
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I have it on good record that a 20mm armed version was jumped in the latter days of the war,engaged and fired on two mustangs at 3000ft then split S'd to the deck where it outran the 2 ponys with what the author referd to as "steady ease"
fine perk ride idea, but inline with the thinking these days this and many other german planes are automaticly deleted from choice, because the sorties launched where never in strength, and the numbers where limited.
of course, the 262 is in, the 163 was a nice addition as well, but I linger on the tempest....
see the british and americans get a ubber fighter that is piston powerd{the advent of the 190d9 was considerd thier equal thus balance was restored} but i think as a mega perk ride this plane is in contention eventualy.....
It seems built for killing bombers....... nice idea.
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Yes! Please!
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/photos/gallery_005/Do%20335%20V1%20prototype%20over%20Oberpfaffenhofen%20-%20late%201943.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/photos/gallery_005/Do%20335%20V1%20(Ameisenbar)%20prototype.jpg
Perk it, 100 perks or whatever, even 150! These would be an amazing addition if for no other reason its stark difference to ANYTHING in the plane set!
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IT is an odd looking bird, but I doubt it will see the skies of AHII.
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Hey,
I got some info regarding about Do-335 and why it did no full scale production:
According to "Messeschmitt Bf-109 ja Saksan sotatalous" (ISBN 951-95688-7-5) book page 115, the special tools and jigs that were required to make Do-335 were destroyed at the so called "Big Week" bombing during february 1944.
If that would not have happened, Do-335 might well have seen lots of action during the last few months of WWII.
-teemu