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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Ball on March 25, 2007, 02:01:05 PM
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I thought that it would be quite good to get a list going of aircraft currently missing in Aces High, by their production figures. I was googling and found this: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_produced_aircraft
The glaring omission from AH i think is this: -
Petlyakov Pe-2: 11,427
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I compiled production numbers for all the higher-production-number aircraft.
Here's the list.
Aircraft production in WWII
---- US ----
For the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529 <--- not in AH yet
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186 <-- not yet in AH
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140 <--- not yet in AH
SBD, 5936
---- JAPAN ----
IJN aircraft from http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/ijnaf.htm and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan%2C_World_War_II
A6M Zero, 10449
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank), 3449
Ki-61 Hien (Tony), 3159
Ki-45 Toryu (Nick), 1701
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo), 1225
A5M (Claude), 1094
J2M Raiden (Jack), 476
N1K Shiden (George), 415
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038
D3A Aichi (Val), 1495
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268
B5N (Kate), 1149
B7A Ryusei (Grace), 114
G4M (Betty), 2446
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064
P1Y Ginga (Frances), 1098
G3M (Nell), 1048
Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), 767
---- RUSSIA ----
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html
Yak-9, 16769
La-5, 9920
I-16, 9004
Yak-1, 8720
Yak-7, 6339
LaGG-3, 6258
La-7, 5753
P-39, 5007 (from US)
Yak-3, 4848
MiG-3, 3120
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
---- UK ----
From Wikipedia entries starting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_RAF and using http://www.rafweb.org/aircraftA-D.htm to judge which are WWII aircraft.
Spitfire, 20351
Hurricane, 14000
Typhoon, 3330
Seafire, 2334
Tempest, 1702
Defiant, 1064
Mosquito, 7781
Beaufighter, 5928
Beaufort, 2080
Wellington, 11461
Lancaster, 7377
Halifax, 6176
Blenheim, 4422
Stirling, 2383
Whitley, 1737
Hampden, 1430
Martin Baltimore, 1575 (from US)
Douglas Boston
Brewster Buffalo
B-17
Douglas Havoc
Curtiss Kittyhawk
B-24
Martin Marauder
Martin Maryland
B-25
Curtis Mohawk
P-51
P-47
Vultee Vengence
Lockheed Ventura
---- Germany ----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_production_during_WW2, but using individual entries for aircraft production.
Bf 109, 35000
FW 190, 20010
Bf 110, 15000
Me 262, 1430
Ju 88, 15000
He 111, 7300
Do 217, 1366
He 177, 1146
Ju 87, 6000
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Thanks for the link Furball, hadn't look at that list in ages!
The only aircraft that really was a suprise on "the ten thousand list" was Avro Anson. You learn something new every day. :)
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Nice one, thanks...
Missing in red.
Originally posted by Brooke
---- US ----
For the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140
SBD, 5936
---- JAPAN ----
IJN aircraft from http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/ijnaf.htm and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan%2C_World_War_II
A6M Zero, 10449
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank), 3449
Ki-61 Hien (Tony), 3159
Ki-45 Toryu (Nick), 1701
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo), 1225
A5M (Claude), 1094
J2M Raiden (Jack), 476
N1K Shiden (George), 415
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038
D3A Aichi (Val), 1495
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268
B5N (Kate), 1149
B7A Ryusei (Grace), 114
G4M (Betty), 2446
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064
P1Y Ginga (Frances), 1098
G3M (Nell), 1048
Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), 767
---- RUSSIA ----
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html
Yak-9, 16769
La-5, 9920
I-16, 9004
Yak-1, 8720
Yak-7, 6339
LaGG-3, 6258
La-7, 5753
P-39, 5007 (from US)
Yak-3, 4848
MiG-3, 3120
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
---- UK ----
From Wikipedia entries starting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_RAF and using http://www.rafweb.org/aircraftA-D.htm to judge which are WWII aircraft.
Spitfire, 20351
Hurricane, 14000
Typhoon, 3330
Seafire, 2334
Tempest, 1702
Defiant, 1064
Mosquito, 7781
Beaufighter, 5928
Beaufort, 2080
Wellington, 11461
Lancaster, 7377
Halifax, 6176
Blenheim, 4422
Stirling, 2383
Whitley, 1737
Hampden, 1430
Martin Baltimore, 1575 (from US)
---- Germany ----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_production_during_WW2, but using individual entries for aircraft production.
Bf 109, 35000
FW 190, 20010
Bf 110, 15000
Me 262, 1430
Ju 88, 15000
He 111, 7300
Do 217, 1366
He 177, 1146
Ju 87, 6000
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That list has some notable errors and ommisions.
For example it lists ther N1K as 415, but that is the N1K2-J's production total. The N1K1 and N1K1-J's numbers would boost that past 1000.
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Please could you quote it and amend anything which you see wrong? :)
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Helldiver would be a Hangar Queen. Barely anyone flies the Dauntless, why get an even OLDER, MORE useless plane? Other than snapshots and scenarios, I just dont see the point of this plane unless someone is VERY fond of them...
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Originally posted by Serenity
Helldiver would be a Hangar Queen. Barely anyone flies the Dauntless, why get an even OLDER, MORE useless plane? Other than snapshots and scenarios, I just dont see the point of this plane unless someone is VERY fond of them...
It is just there to show what we are missing in terms of importance. I didnt intend for it to be a wishlist for every aircraft we are missing.
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Ah, okay.
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lotta red there for the Ruskies and Japanese...
Italy is not on the list either.
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Im just a bit doubtful of any data taken from Wikipedia, but it looks like you have several other sources, correct?
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I dont expect completely accurate numbers. I didnt compile the list.
I just thought it would be a good idea to relate approximate production figures with omission from aces high - to get an idea of what we should be requesting next :)
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Originally posted by Ball
lotta red there for the Ruskies and Japanese...
Italy is not on the list either.
What no FAF!!!!!!????
Where is my glove so I may place it across your cheek!!!!
;)
Bronk
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place lovingly?
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Originally posted by Ball
place lovingly?
:lol :lol
Depends, you like it rough or not? ;)
Bronk
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Originally posted by Serenity
Helldiver would be a Hangar Queen. Barely anyone flies the Dauntless, why get an even OLDER, MORE useless plane? Other than snapshots and scenarios, I just dont see the point of this plane unless someone is VERY fond of them...
Helldiver was the replacement for the Dauntless, not the other way around. It was newer, but had crappy handling so it was disliked.
Still, in AH terms it carries more than the Dauntless and has two Hispanos instead of two .50s facing forward.
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There was an earlier SBC Helldiver biplane dive bomber, maybe he's
confusing the two?
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The Helldiver IMHO would probably see quite some use in AH as a strike aircraft from the cv's. Lots of ordnance and 2 Hizookas you see....
Anyway, on that list, so many missing links for AH, and 11.000 Wellingtons, LOL :rofl
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Originally posted by Rino
There was an earlier SBC Helldiver biplane dive bomber, maybe he's
confusing the two?
If my memory serves me, the SB2C Helldiver came BEFORE the SBD Dauntless. The fleet bombers were the SB2C and the (I forgot the name just as I typed this) torpedo bomber, replaced by the SBD Dauntless and the TBF/TBM Avenger. So, yeah, perhaps we are thinking of two different 'Helldivers'?
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Originally posted by Serenity
If my memory serves me, the SB2C Helldiver came BEFORE the SBD Dauntless. The fleet bombers were the SB2C and the (I forgot the name just as I typed this) torpedo bomber, replaced by the SBD Dauntless and the TBF/TBM Avenger. So, yeah, perhaps we are thinking of two different 'Helldivers'?
SB2C came after the SBD.
Just google it a bit.
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Originally posted by Serenity
If my memory serves me, the SB2C Helldiver came BEFORE the SBD Dauntless. The fleet bombers were the SB2C and the (I forgot the name just as I typed this) torpedo bomber, replaced by the SBD Dauntless and the TBF/TBM Avenger. So, yeah, perhaps we are thinking of two different 'Helldivers'?
Negative, negative. You are thinking of the SB2U That is what you are geting confused with here. The SB2C, came after the SBD, as a replacement for it.
The SB2U was (I Think) the first monoplane dive bomber the US Fleet procured, Wich got replaced by the SBD. The SB2U got relegated to the Marines and training wings in 1940. The last major action the SB2U saw was Midway. The Marine Air Wing, on Midway, sent everything they had to strike the Japaniese invasion fleet wich included about 22 SB2Us.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Im just a bit doubtful of any data taken from Wikipedia, but it looks like you have several other sources, correct?
See my post, which lists the sources.
I doubt that the data is perfect, but it is probably close enough to get a correct idea of relative production amounts.
I welcome any others who want to participate in this project to post corrections and -- most importantly -- to post verifiable sources of the corrections if there is better data.
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Originally posted by Karnak
That list has some notable errors and ommisions.
For example it lists ther N1K as 415, but that is the N1K2-J's production total. The N1K1 and N1K1-J's numbers would boost that past 1000.
Thanks for catching that. It should be:
N1K Shiden (George), 1422
If you are spotting other errors, please point them out and, if possible, give data sources.
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My interest in these numbers, by the way, is to get an idea of what planes were actually main components of WWII. To me, if it was a plane that was a main component of WWII, it would be nice to have in the game -- even if it is less popular in the Main Arena than some late-war aircraft.
Also, I enjoy the special events (such as scenarios) enormously; and having the correct historical mix of aircraft in those is part of the fun.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Negative, negative. You are thinking of the SB2U That is what you are geting confused with here. The SB2C, came after the SBD, as a replacement for it.
The SB2U was (I Think) the first monoplane dive bomber the US Fleet procured, Wich got replaced by the SBD. The SB2U got relegated to the Marines and training wings in 1940. The last major action the SB2U saw was Midway. The Marine Air Wing, on Midway, sent everything they had to strike the Japaniese invasion fleet wich included about 22 SB2Us.
Now THATs just freaking confusing!!! Why not name the SB2C something like SB3C then? lol. Thanks for correcting me.