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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on March 26, 2007, 11:10:08 AM
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Ok I didn't see any more nominations that I felt had a real shot of winning the vote so we're going to continue with the original list. It probably should have been pared down further to save time but I'm just going to go with it as is and spare some disappointment for a few days.
The voting will be broken down into 5 rounds. The schedule will be as follows.
Rounds will begin and end at 10 a.m. CDT (GMT-5). This is an online in-game poll only open to subscribers. Just make sure that you pop into an arena for each round of voting if you want to take part in this.
Round 1 Wed Mar 28 to Fri Mar 30. Bottom 4 choices will be eliminated leaving 6.
Round 2 Fri Mar 30 to Mon Apr 2. Bottom 2 choices will be eliminated leaving 4.
Round 3 Mon Apr 2 to Wed Apr 4. Bottom choice will be eliminated leaving 3.
Round 4 Wed Apr 4 to Fri Apr 6. Bottom choice will be eliminated leaving 2.
Final Round Fri Apr 6 to Mon Apr 9. Winner is selected.
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Is that ONLY 10:00 a.m. central time? I'm a poor working stiff...will only be able to vote on weekends if it's only at 10:00 a.m. :(
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That's the time when rounds stop and start, not the very minute you need to vote. I.E., the first rate goes from 10 am on Wed to 10 am on Fri.
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B-25 all the way!
- we do a Doolittle mission once a year! (in b26)
http://www.skunkbunker.com
http://www.bombergroup.com
:lol
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Originally posted by republic
Is that ONLY 10:00 a.m. central time? I'm a poor working stiff...will only be able to vote on weekends if it's only at 10:00 a.m. :(
ok, slowly.. together now...
Round 1 10am Wed Mar 28 to 10am Fri Mar 30. thats about 48 hours for you to vote
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I not so much with the thinking... When I saw we could vote on the new planes to be added I almost messed myself. Then when I thought the votes must be cast at 10:00 am...I almost messed myself again.
I feel better now. :D
Nothing to see here...move along..
:noid
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Will you post the actual results (number of votes for each aircraft), or just the winners from each round?
I want to watch the various camps go ballistic as their pet aircraft is in second or third place in the overall rankings. I am easily entertained.
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God this is going to be worse than watching the last Presidental election. Blue states, Red states, hanging chads, recounts, unregistered voters....................... ..should be interesting though.
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What Puck said.
Hornet, it shouldn't be nearly as bad as that. I've got more faith in HTC than I do in most government employees, especially where math is concerned.
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yes to Puck's request, lets us have a floor show with this vote... it shall be funny...:D
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One the list of planes to vote for will there be a brief detail on the plane describing its use purpose strengths weakness ect.??
I'm sure there are many new players or players that do not have a WWII back round on history and m sure it would help a lot by adding a brief background on all the planes listed.
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He could just list those that made the cut in their running order.
2nd and 3rd prefs could mean alot here.
jeez i am going to miss round 3
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There are a lot of U.S. voters with less information that helped choose our current president.
Doesn't matter. Either they vote or they don't. If they have no clue they'll pick the funniest number, or maybe the one they heard years before, even if they don't know what it means.
"B-25? Yeah, I take those vitamins, I'm all for health, okay that's got my vote!"
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Hornet, it shouldn't be nearly as bad as that. I've got more faith in HTC than I do in most government employees, especially where math is concerned.
Oh I trust HTC, I'm talking about all the whinning on the BBS that's going to come out of it. Like I said, should be interesting to see.
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Originally posted by Krusty
There are a lot of U.S. voters with less information that helped choose our current president.
Doesn't matter. Either they vote or they don't. If they have no clue they'll pick the funniest number, or maybe the one they heard years before, even if they don't know what it means.
"B-25? Yeah, I take those vitamins, I'm all for health, okay that's got my vote!"
Krusty, it'll probably be closer to this...
"Dude what plane should I vote for?"
"The B-25 dude, it was in that movie "Pearl Harbor" it can take off from carriers!"
"Sweet"
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March Madness!!!
Anyone want to start a pool?
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Do players get only 1 vote per round or do they get to stuff the box persay with voting for one plane as many times as they can which if this is the case voting wont be an honest number, and showing the actual numbers for the planes is a great idea by puck
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Vote code. You could only vote for the Alien Rectal Probe once.
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Originally posted by Turbo76
B-25 all the way!
- we do a Doolittle mission once a year! (in b26)
Pyro, will B-25's be enabled on CV's if
they are modeled?
If so, will they be able to to be stripped
of defensive guns and other ballast to allow
for take off?
The answer to this question will have a
significant bearing on my choice.
Thanks,
David
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Delta, I've taken off the CV in a fully loaded B-17 before so with flaps and 50% fuel you should have no trouble in the -26.
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:confused:
Meteor? :(
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Pyro, will B-25's be enabled on CV's if
they are modeled?
If so, will they be able to to be stripped
of defensive guns and other ballast to allow
for take off?
The answer to this question will have a
significant bearing on my choice.
Thanks,
David
Very good question....at least to all the "I want to take off from a CV with few guns or bombs"...sort of crowd ;)
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HTC has a habit of modeling aircraft to the most common, manufacturer's specs. No special, 1-off units. That means no Doolittle raiders.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I've got more faith in HTC than I do in most government employees, especially where math is concerned.
And spelling :D
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I'm going to start a bunch of 2 weeker accounts to make sure my favorite gets in!!!!111!!!!!
Peeeee-2 all the way baby! Woooowooooo
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Originally posted by Hornet33
God this is going to be worse than watching the last Presidental election. Blue states, Red states, hanging chads, recounts, unregistered voters....................... ..should be interesting though.
I feel disenfranchised already....
:furious
:D
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Whoaaa........First i've heard of this. I need to get my head out of the O'Club sand and start reading some other forums huh?
Anyways, what are the A/C options, or where can I find them?
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Wait 2 days and you'll see what's in the vote list :P
EDIT: Or read this:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201490
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
I feel disenfranchised already....
:furious
:D
Hanging chad ?????
:lol
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Hanging chad ?????
:lol
Bronk
So Chad was hung? OR Chad is hung? I mean what did Chad do that was so bad he was hung? And while I'm thinking about it why do they always say "Fire at Will" ? What did Will do? why not fire at Chad and hang Will?
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Originally posted by Krusty
HTC has a habit of modeling aircraft to the most common, manufacturer's specs. No special, 1-off units. That means no Doolittle raiders.
Yep, but you know what gnashing of teeth will happen on here if they don't ;)
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There will be gnashing of teeth and disenchanted players no matter what they do.
PERK THE CHAD!
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Quit calling me Chad
During the voting times, how do we cast a vote and how are they tallied?
.vote n00k?
:noid
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Going to guess we'll get a MOTD kind of thing with a list to choose from, much like the "exit survey" you get upon cancelling an account. I've heard rumors that if you don't vote B-25 or P-29, HT will send the CTAIdood after you.
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Looks like another America plane is coming to the planeset. :(
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B-25s will not be available from carriers.
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This sucks due to 50% of the arena being newbs or 10 year olds where gonna get stuck with the P-39 cause it sounds kool! OZMG or the B-25 IT TAKES OF FROM THE CV.
AAAA i can see it now.
Newb: GUYS I POSTED A B-25 RAID OFF THE CV TO THE HQ.
Skyrock: <--owns Newb
Newb: JOIN UP MAKE THIS JUST LIKE THE MOVIE!
Kyrpto: Stupid american children go Russia!
Bronk: B-25s can not take off the CV in this game.
Newb: WHAT THIS IS TH3 BULL*%&# I QUIT!
Skyrock: <--owns quitters
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Originally posted by Pyro
B-25s will not be available from carriers.
At least they know it now before they vote for it and wonder why they can't "do little" with it ;)
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Originally posted by Pyro
B-25s will not be available from carriers.
So B-25s are being added? I knew it! The vote is rigged!
:noid
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Originally posted by Ball
So B-25s are being added? I knew it! The vote is rigged!
:noid
If the B-25 wins the vote, it won't be available from CV's.
If the B-25 loses the vote, it won't be available from CV's.
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and so this explains Pyro's avatar
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You don't know the half of it!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1174417208_wall.gif) <-- bet he's feeling like that riiiight about now.
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What happens if there is a tie?
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Originally posted by Krusty
You don't know the half of it!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1174417208_wall.gif) <-- bet he's feeling like that riiiight about now.
Oh I have a pretty good idea, I have children. This little exchange here is very similar to trying to explain something to a 10 year old...:cool:
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Originally posted by Krusty
You don't know the half of it!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1174417208_wall.gif) <-- bet he's feeling like that riiiight about now.
...which is interesting. He's set himself up to be hated by a vocal minority of the bored board posters no matter what is modeled. Given how long he's been doing this I think the only explanation is intoxication.
That or a really evil sense of humor.
Maybe both.
I should start petitioning for the F2G-2. It got about as much use as some others that have been mentioned :D
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Originally posted by Puck
...which is interesting. He's set himself up to be hated by a vocal minority of the bored board posters no matter what is modeled. Given how long he's been doing this I think the only explanation is intoxication.
That or a really evil sense of humor.
Maybe both.
I've talked to Pyro at the con's, I'd have to say the correct answer is "both" :lol
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Originally posted by Rash
What happens if there is a tie?
I model the HS-129 or ms406. :D
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But will it have the Mk103 gunpod?? :rofl
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Why Not The Mig's???
It would be nice to have a new plane in all the arenas. The MIGS would fit perfectly ...
MIG 1 in early war
MIG 3 in mid war
MIG 5 in late war
MIG 7 in late war (perked)
What do you all think?
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Nghtmare
"The only measure of what you believe is what you do. If you want to know what people believe, don't read what they write, don't ask them what they believe, just observe what they do." - Ashley Montagu
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Originally posted by Nightmare
...MIG 7 in late war (perked)...
You mean the Mig 7 that failed to pass soviet tests due to the discontinued AM37 engine dying while testing?? ;)
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Wonder how long it will take before the winning ride is actually available in the hangar. I know it prolly depends on the complexity of the plane, but still.... weeks? months?
(no 2 week comments needed :D )
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Excuse me for the dumb question: isn't CTD at -6 hours from GMT? :confused:
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Excuse me for the dumb question: isn't CTD at -6 hours from GMT? :confused:
Its worse than that. UK is now on BST (British Summer Time) which is GMT plus 1. CTD (CSTD?)is on indeed (presently on BST -6 because it too is on summer time).
Quoting GMT is dangerous as its an absolute.
Is the US having double summer time this year?
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Originally posted by Tilt
Its worse than that. UK is now on BST (British Summer Time) which is GMT plus 1. CTD (CSTD?)is on indeed (presently on BST -6 because it too is on summer time).
Quoting GMT is dangerous as its an absolute.
Is the US having double summer time this year?
Well unless I read it wrong you will have 24 hours to cast your vote in each round...and I am sure they will log the CPID so unless you can't log in during those 24 hours you should be fine :)
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The US has been in Summer Time for at least a couple of weeks now... But that has about no effect on the vote, as zorstorer said, since you'll have many hours of voting time. Actually, it's several days.
If the vote is anything like a regular vote, it does not help you if you are the first person to vote. You still have only one vote. :)
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48 hours per voting session, Mech.
Switched to Daylight Stupid Time Mar 11th.
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This will be fun :)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
48 hours per voting session, Mech.
Switched to Daylight Stupid Time Mar 11th.
LOL thanks for the catch ;)
Guess I didn't read it right :D
But the thought stands....unless you don't play for a few days in a row you will have a chance to vote.
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A26 invader:aok
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Pyro's avatard will be the faces of everyone that didnt get their plane they voted for.
Then the floods of posts will occur of them screaming and crying about how no one voted for their plane and so on.
Overall an excellent experience to watch :D
BTW - Where is the Beaufighter :mad:
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Originally posted by zorstorer
At least they know it now before they vote for it and wonder why they can't "do little" with it ;)
mech inf!
We Dickweeds will take the b-25 from a land base with 50% fuel, and eggs. then we will fly up to 40 miles or more to land on the CV. turn birds aroundon front or roll backwards and line up on aft of deck. We are Dickweeds!
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Here are some links to the planes being voted on.
A-26: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-26_Invader
B-25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B25
Brewster Buffalo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo
Fiat G55: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G55
HE 111: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_111
KI-44: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-44
J2M: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_J2M
KI-45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki-45
KI-43: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-43
ME-410: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me-410
P-39: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-39_Airacobra
PE-2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe-2
TU-2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-2
YAK 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-3
Hope this helps you....
Gunner82
367th Dynamite Gang
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Originally posted by Fianna
March Madness!!!
Anyone want to start a pool?
This is what my bracket looks like. Though some of these eliminated I would like to see win over others... I am basing my bracket on what I think will win.
Round 1
1 P39
14 Ki45 - Eliminated
2 B25
13 Ki44 - Eliminated
3 Brewster
12 Pe-2 - Eliminated
4 G.55
11 J2M - Eliminated
5 Yak3
10 A26 - Eliminated
6 Ki-43
9 Tu-2 - Eliminated
7 He-111 - Eliminated
8 Me 410
Round 2
P39
Me410 - Eliminated
B25
Ki43 - Eliminated
Brewster
Yak3 - Eliminated
G.55
Final 4
P39
G.55 - Eliminated
B25
Brewster - Eliminated
Tournament
P39
B25 - Eliminated
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Doesn't work, Raptor! Pe2/Tu2 are the same vote entry, as are Ki44/Ki43!
Have to condense them and remove one of the pairings, and it should work :D
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Originally posted by Turbo76
mech inf!
We Dickweeds will take the b-25 from a land base with 50% fuel, and eggs. then we will fly up to 40 miles or more to land on the CV. turn birds aroundon front or roll backwards and line up on aft of deck. We are Dickweeds!
LOL very true turbo :) It will be a nice film to watch :D
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As I said, mine was a dumb question. :p
Raptor, I'm afraid you pictured a good prediction of what's gonna happen! :(
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Originally posted by Raptor
Tournament
P39
B25 - Eliminated [/B]
Oh NO!:confused: Alliance gets more and more strong. Axis needs G.55 to help. :(
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Originally posted by Pyro
If the B-25 wins the vote, it won't be available from CV's.
If the B-25 loses the vote, it won't be available from CV's.
LOL good answer :D
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Fear teh Pyro! Fear it! :D
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my vote is for sale, 100 perk points.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What Puck said.
Hornet, it shouldn't be nearly as bad as that. I've got more faith in HTC than I do in most government employees, especially where math is concerned.
It's the spelling where HTC falls down. :D
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If the B-25 wins I hope its the B-25J
:aok
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I'd like to request a news entry on the front page. Ran into a pal the other night who doesn't check the forums. He saw the MOTD, but what if somebody hasn't logged in for a while but still flies, and would like to vote?
It might help to spread the news if there was... well... a "news" update :aok
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I think the voting will be a little different. For one thing, there are only 10 choices as written so all the ones lumping multiple planes together will be drop in the early rounds, unless that's changed, and even then they won't last past the second round. If the voting took place in the SEA, the results would be different but for the MA, here you go: :(
Round 1 (4 to be eliminated)
A-26
B-25
Brewster Buffalo
G.55
He 111
A Japanese fighter Ki 43,44,45 J2M
Me 410
P-39
Pe-2, Tu-2
Yak 3
Out
B-25, He 111, Japanese fighters, Russian bombers
Round 2 (2 to be eliminated)
A-26
Brewster Buffalo
G.55
Me 410
P39
Yak 3
Out
Brewster Buffalo, P39
Round 3 (1 to be eliminated)
A-26
G.55
Me 410
Yak 3
Out
G.55
Round 4 (1 to be eliminated)
A-26
Me 410
Yak 3
Out
Me 410
Final Round (1 to be eliminated)
A-26
Yak 3
Yak 3 Wins
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I don't agree Easyscore, I think Raptor prediction is more likely to become true. It'll be another american plane, either the B25 or the P39, the fighter having the more favourable odds.
Fight against the system, vote for the G.55! ;) :D
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Originally posted by john9001
my vote is for sale, 100 perk points.
:rofl :rofl
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I have a question:
Will 2-weekers (trial accounts) be allowed to vote? I can definitely see some shenanigans happening if yes.
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Originally posted by Pyro
This is an online in-game poll only open to subscribers. Just make sure that you pop into an arena for each round of voting if you want to take part in this.
You obviously didn't Read Pyro's opening statement "the key word here being "Subscribers".
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
You obviously didn't Read Pyro's opening statement "the key word here being "Subscribers".
No need to be a jackhole. 2 weekers are technically subscribers, as they have access to all parts of the game.
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Enough with the name-calling please. You have to be subscribed to vote, trial accounts don't get to vote.
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Sorry.
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Originally posted by wasq
The US has been in Summer Time for at least a couple of weeks now...
We have???
Odd. Snowed here last week and just a few days ago was the start of spring.
Must be that globval warming thing screwing us all up ;)
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Here Pyro, I think you're going to need a few of these before this is over...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/874_1174666764_girl-drinking-beer.jpg)
the beer, not the girl, I dont want to get in trouble with Mrs Pyro..:cool:
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There is now a hunt in HTC for "he" who thought that "letting the players vote " would be a good idea.
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Burn the witch!:lol
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I'm enjoying it. It's all in good fun. I'm looking forward to seeing how the voting goes.
BTW, I've thought about it and I won't be releasing full results between rounds. I don't want the early round results to influence future votes or make the final round anti-climatic.
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But what about all the whining? That's the best part. At least let us have first round results?
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:lol You mean I won't know how badly my P-61 lost?
There will be a write-in section, right?;)
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Sorry.
way to go poopiehead :P
*ducks Pyros lightning bolt
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Well, Pyro, but you can release the vote results after the winner has been elected, no? It would be interesting to see how people voted. :)
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Originally posted by Pyro
I'm enjoying it. It's all in good fun. I'm looking forward to seeing how the voting goes.
BTW, I've thought about it and I won't be releasing full results between rounds. I don't want the early round results to influence future votes or make the final round anti-climatic.
They don't do it on American Idol either. ;)
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i guess the PBY dosn't have a chance.
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The only problem I have with this voting schedule is that most of it is during Easter. I'll be on vacation most of that time.
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Looking at the discussion thread about the choices, I can figure out the last 4(with the odds that these will make it to the final four). They will be; G-55 (2:1), A-26 (5:2), P-39 (3:2), B-25 (5:1).
First round will see eliminated the 410, 111, Brewster( Sorry Finns, I wanted this one too, HAAKKA PAALE!!! ), Pe-2 or Tu-2(they don't tell you wich. That ambiguity will hurt this choice, and added to this it is a bomber. Bombers have usually got the short end of the stick when it comes to "Fighter" Sims.).
Next round will eliminate the Yak-3, and the Japanese "Mystery" Fighter(again the abiguity of wich they will model will eliminate it from contention, besides there are a couple of "dogs" in that choice.[Ki-44, and Ki-45])
Next up on the chopping block the B-25. (Sorry guys, a light perk bomber is going to win out here.)
Beyond that, my guess would have the A-26, out the next round. Bombers are low man on the totem pole in this community, and fighters will generaly get more votes than bombers. The only reson it will get this high in the vote is because of the large American voting block.
My prediction for the Final selection P-39. Edging out the G-55s firepower with the dominating American voting block/home court advantage.
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Originally posted by Viking
The only problem I have with this voting schedule is that most of it is during Easter. I'll be on vacation most of that time.
what would you have voted for if you were not on vacation?
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Me 410 first, Japanese fighter second, then perhaps a Russian bomber or the Vader. Love your new avatard btw. lol
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Pyro, just let us know when that pipe dream G.55 has been axed...
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Originally posted by Viking
Me 410 first, blah blah blah..... Love your new avatard btw. lol
Then your vacation has been withdrawn, and thx :D
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Doh! :furious
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I can definitely see some shenanigans happening if yes.
Look on the bright side, a new plane will be added to the planeset. And those who think they were short-changed can begin now crafting their complaints. :D
Also, :aok to HTC for doing it this way. Makes for fun times.
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Last week....
Mr. Aarno Siro presents a 1:4 scale model of the plane he flew in the summer battles of 1944:
Brewster model B-239 "BW-384" White Seven:
(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/slides/P1170460.jpg)
Another Brewster fighter pilot, fighter ace Colonel Vδinφ Pokela:
(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/slides/P1170528.JPG)
Brewster BW-384 is credited with 18 aerial victories.
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/
A plane worthy of modeling. :)
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Are any Brewsters still around?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Are any Brewsters still around?
The only known surviving "Buffalo" is the Finnish built "Humu". Tail number HM-671
However as of March 23rd, 2000, a Finnish Buffalo, BW-372 was recovered from the bottom of a lake in Russia.
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TY..:)
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B 26s carried torps first mission of the war, We aint seeing no torp action on b26s. You think cuz a bunch of crazy AMERIKANERS took b 25s off a cv once, they going to enable it? YOU ARE CRAZY!!! :cool:
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Originally posted by NHawk
The only known surviving "Buffalo" is the Finnish built "Humu". Tail number HM-671
However as of March 23rd, 2000, a Finnish Buffalo, BW-372 was recovered from the bottom of a lake in Russia.
BW-372 is currently at the Pensacola museum. You can find photos (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw-372_photos/) and an article (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/feature/articles/bw372lecture/) about it from the Finnish Virtual Pilots Association's web pages.
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Originally posted by VWE
Pyro, just let us know when that pipe dream G.55 has been axed...
Lol, that will be easy.
If it's not a choice on the next round, it's been axed.
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Stated elsewhere, but still worth mentioning.
The lobbying and polling happening in the forums will be a moot point. The majority of the players who log in and see the vote window pop up in the game when going online will vote with whatever they recognize from the names.
No links or further information on that pop up window. No full names. A large number of online players probably do not know much about the planes on the list. A few do, but many do not.
Result: An uninformed popular vote.
This being the case, I figure the first round will see cut from the herd:
Brewster Buffalo (not a prayer..... one wing away from being a Stearman trainer, no real name recognition.)
G.55 (general lack of information by proles may kill this one, HOPE NOT, my second choice!! But no name recognition.)
Yak 3 (lower number than Yak 9....must be a bad plane then, right?)
Pe-2 or Tu-2 (non-American bombers most not very familiar with)
Leaving:
P-39
Me 410
He 111
B-25
Japanese fighter
A-26
Final Four will include B-25, He-111, and probably the P-39. Purely on name recognition.
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Sorry should have looked at the thread before replying, this is where it took me. I read that people were talking about taking b25s off of cvs if B- 25s were the final choice, so I replied, and this is where my reply was posted.......Crazy Amerikaners!!!!
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well I did a quicky count just here but I left the sheet at work and although its not a fair representation of all the players voting I'll try and give you an idea...
1. P-39 (20)
2. G.55 (17)
are the top two in this poll with the B-25 (5) and the Brewster (3) were near the bottom.
the me-410 has high numbers and the He-111
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On in-forum poll may be a far cry from the actual voting. Here you have a smaller number of players that are exposed to more information and lobbying about each plane. Even a much smaller number listing their vote in the poll threads.
Online voting is all players entering arena. Much larger number. Also, greater chance of uninformed voter.
I give the G.55 a 50/50 chance at being cut in first round. No name recognition among casual players of the game.
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I like that you say that anyone who doesn't vote for the G55 is an uneducated fool (milder than your actual choice of words), even though you didn't vote for it either.
People will vote for the planes they are interested in, fond of, or familiar with, and since those planes aren't already in the game, that's a good thing. I really don't know what your problem is.
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I would expect ANY plane with 3 X 20mm cannons with 200-250rpg plus 2 mgs with 300 rpg, and with the G.55's performance numbers to at least make it past the 1st round of voting, especially in a game with the high LW player numbers (compared to EW and MW), and all the ENY 5 planes running around.
Add to that the fact that the G.55 falls into the MW time frame, I would expect it to go very far in the voting among the players, if not take top place.
The G.55 is a rare, obscure plane with no name recognition. If it does not make it past the first round, I suggest that is evidence that many of the voters don't know what these planes are. A popular, uninformed vote.
This is speculation. I'm not sure which way it will go in early rounds. I have my doubts that views in the forums will be reflected in the general voting. As to my problem? As I still monitor and participate on the Help Channel when in the arenas, I suppose I've a low opinion of the quality and knowledge of many of the players in the game these days. A jaded low opinion.
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Point being, you're calling anyone who votes for planes that saw action in multiple theaters, for long periods throughout the war, an uninformed idiot, while claiming that those who voted for oddballs that only saw action for brief periods, or can only be found on the bbs, the smarter, better informed group. This seems silly.
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100% agree Hub why i voted russian bomber.
I don't like russians or bombers but from a historical point of view mixed with the current available planeset I feel for the Russians to have no bombers whatsoever is a little off.
How many men did the russians lose 22 million??? They broke the Wehrmacht not the Allies.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
The majority of the players who log in and see the vote window pop up in the game when going online will vote with whatever they recognize from the names.
No links or further information on that pop up window. No full names. A large number of online players probably do not know much about the planes on the list. A few do, but many do not.
I don't agree. Don't forget that Arena message clearly stated for at least, I think, a week before the voting what was going on, saying what planes were to be voted and where to find informations about them.
Of course, I don't think anyone ran to read the forum or Wikipedia or a book (prolly someone didn't even read the Arena message), but I guess the vote was/will be not that uninformed... and don't forget that the planes were discussed and debated on radios, too.
Of course a certain share of the players will cast a vote with little idea of what they're voting for, but this always happens, everywhere.... after all we had Berlusconi and you have George W., isn't it? :D
Hub, Bruv, I don't think tedrbr meant what you're saying. He just wanted to say, IMO, that most of the people will vote with more knowledge of the history of a plane than of its performance and stats. While, being MAs still the bulk of the game, the latter should have more importance in choosing a new plane. At least, that's what I read in his words.
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G55! yeah another macchi with a drop tank! Vote p39, its the other white meat!:rolleyes:
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Poll results so far today as of 8:15
P-39 22
G.55 18
A-26 16
me-410 14
He-111 11
TU-2/Pe-2 10
B-25 9
Yak3 6
Japan 5
Brewster 4
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I don't log in for a few days and then this happens :(
Would have voted for the Brewster. Not that it makes any difference now, but still :cry
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Poll results so far today as of 8:15
P-39 22
G.55 18
A-26 16
me-410 14
He-111 11
TU-2/Pe-2 10
B-25 9
Yak3 6
Japan 5
Brewster 4
Were did you find those numbers?
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I counted them up in Eskimo's poll thread.
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Which shows forum polls don't reflect the reality of the online vote:
A-26, Me-410, He-111, B-25, and Yak 3 online votes all beat the G.55 which was running second in an unofficial forum poll and thread interest.
He-111 and B-25 showed low to middle numbers in forum, but guessing they scored very high in online poll.
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Round 1: Wednesday March 28th to Friday March 30th. The bottom 4 will be eliminated.
Round 2: Friday March 30th to Monday April 2nd. The bottom 2 will be eliminated
I assume the results will be posted today since round 2 should have already begun. For the sake of those who cannot log into the arenas from work, could someone please post the results in this thread?
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A26, B25, P39 or yak 3
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Only four are left? That would mean 6 have been eliminated.
Voting on round 2 is still going on right?
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Nope round 2 is done, round 3 started today...
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Nope round 2 is done, round 3 started today...
I guess the "Friday through Monday" voting for round two ended at 12:01AM then.
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No it ended this morning on schedule. Ok, actually about 5 -10 minutes early.
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I think the a26 gonna win. Why I say that? Because it at top of list and most people loggin in probably don't want to be bothered by the vote thing or they are kids like my son who know nothing about aircrafts. So they just select the top plane in the list and hit ok.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
I think the a26 gonna win. Why I say that? Because it at top of list and most people loggin in probably don't want to be bothered by the vote thing or they are kids like my son who know nothing about aircrafts. So they just select the top plane in the list and hit ok.
Oh, if only that would be trueeeee!!!!
I'd take it.
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In another online flight sim, we had the b25 and a26. My first flight was in the a26. The lack of rear guns was ok, becuase the lower gun could cover most of the rear. It was fast, could dive well, had a big punch, and could turn well.
I remember the b25 having decent gun coverage .
Now the other day I thought I read that the a-26 was designed to replace the b25 and other planes. If this was true, I might sway my personal vote to a26 instead.
:D
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Originally posted by Turbo76
In another online flight sim, we had the b25 and a26. My first flight was in the a26. The lack of rear guns was ok, becuase the lower gun could cover most of the rear. It was fast, could dive well, had a big punch, and could turn well.
I remember the b25 having decent gun coverage .
Now the other day I thought I read that the a-26 was designed to replace the b25 and other planes. If this was true, I might sway my personal vote to a26 instead.
:D
couldn,t find anything on the A-26 replacing the B-25.
two different animals i think.
but it did replace the A-20
it also said that the A-26 was the fastest US bomber in WW2.
A-26c was more of a level bomber (norden sights)
A-26 b was more an attack aircraft.
imho--the most versatile plane left on the list.
fingers crossed for the A-26,
Boner:aok
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Vote p39, the OTHER white meat!
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i think the B25 or the HE111 will win..... but im going with B25:aok
p51srule:aok
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
i think the B25 or the HE111 will win..... but im going with B25:aok
p51srule:aok
<<<<<<< Doing my best amazing kreskin imitation
The 111 will not win!!!
fingers crossed for the A-26,
The amazing Boner.:cool:
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Originally posted by AKDogg
I think the a26 gonna win. Why I say that? Because it at top of list and most people loggin in probably don't want to be bothered by the vote thing or they are kids like my son who know nothing about aircrafts. So they just select the top plane in the list and hit ok.
Wrong, Dogg. The first choice is "I don't care, forfeit my vote"... and I wish most of the kids had hit it... :p
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first plane choice is a26 though. they might not hit don't care button but first plane choice. Again I only speculating as to what my son did,lol.
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:lol Well, I still wish they had clicked that first entry!
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Just say no to Ben and his B25
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Originally posted by 1Boner
couldn,t find anything on the A-26 replacing the B-25.
two different animals i think.
but it did replace the A-20
You're right, but in one sense it did replace a level bomber. After the B-26 Marauder was retired, the A-26 soldiered on...and when the US designation system was reworked, the A-26 was redesignated the B-26.
So, the Invader replaced the Marauder...leaving the folks at Martin (and a bunch of retired Marauder pilots) rather peeved about "their" B-26 losing out.
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Maybe we're getting all those planes and the vote is just somethign to keep everyone pre occupied till they're done.
Naaaa
Hitech aint sadistic enough for that
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WOW ive been here 5 years and only 45 posts, I need to whine and complain more here on the BBS. I really would like to see the top 2 modeled here, preferably a bomber(a26) and a fighter(p39) LETS ROCK!:p
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Originally posted by Turbo76
Now the other day I thought I read that the a-26 was designed to replace the b25 and other planes. If this was true, I might sway my personal vote to a26 instead.
The development of the A-26B and C (begun in the early 1940's) was meant to replace 3 planes in particular: the A-20 Havoc, the B-26 Marauder, and the B-25 Mitchell, which were all early war (late 1930's) designs.
It was also initially designed to offer a 75mm cannon in the B-version as an option, but banks of .50's using API rounds proved to be better at strafing and anti-shipping operations after the first 30 block 5's were delivered with the 75mm mount.
There was also the A-26A version, a night fighter/bomber destroyer with .50's and 2-4 X 37mm cannons (2 in the nose, 2 in bomb-bay gun pod), and on-board radar, but German heavy bomber threat subsided by the time of final selection, and the P-61 Black Widow won the contract to be built instead of the A-26A.
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Outstanding quote from Kellys heroes, what a great movie! Am I a senior member yet!(?)
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You have to reach 100 posts, Skip! But you're doing a good work, keep it up! ;) :D
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Watch out GIAN, I have pictures of you and AM NOT afraid to post here, you Itallian stallion! PICK P39, the OTHER white meat
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why is everyone voting for the a26? b25 can carrier a bigger payload and has better protection then the a26. I like the a26 but, it would get chewed up just like the a20 now. the only good thing about it is its bigger, faster and a better payload then the a20. The a26 would be good for short bombing runs. all im saying is that the a26 would be a good plane but not yet, the b25 would be used more and it can take more punishment.
p51srule:aok
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I'm glad that we're down to the last three finalists, The Flamebait Soapopera Pursefights in the initial campaign threads at the start of the vote were getting hard on the eyes.
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
why is everyone voting for the a26? b25 can carrier a bigger payload and has better protection then the a26. I like the a26 but, it would get chewed up just like the a20 now. the only good thing about it is its bigger, faster and a better payload then the a20. The a26 would be good for short bombing runs. all im saying is that the a26 would be a good plane but not yet, the b25 would be used more and it can take more punishment.
p51srule:aok
B-25B--284 mph-----5,207 lbs bombs
B-25H--274 mph-----3,004 lbs bombs
A-26B--353 mph-----4,004 lbs bombs:D
after the A-26 drops its ord, its still ready for an agressive ground assault.
A-26? I like it!!!!!,
Boner
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A 26 should be perked but p47N wasnt, ta 152 was de perked, actually any plane entering in jan 1945(or laTER) should be perked, b25 was common in 1943. I revel in the A26 of air warrior, but in AW, a b17 was a damn fine dog fiter. So if it is modeled right, and not be capable of formation flights, it would be a capable cv killer if used in coordinated efforts. I WILL NOT mention the huge HO factor of 18 50 caliber MGS all forward, if the pilot locks the 2 remote control turrets forward. We shall see what the voting bring, but in all reality, the p39 and or b25 would be a more historical addition to the AH repretoire. BUT NO CV TAKE OFFS AND NO BEN AFFLEC. GIANLUPO:rofl ;) :confused: :O :furious
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why is everyone voting for the a26? b25 can carrier a bigger payload and has better protection then the a26. I like the a26 but, it would get chewed up just like the a20 now. the only good thing about it is its bigger, faster and a better payload then the a20. The a26 would be good for short bombing runs. all im saying is that the a26 would be a good plane but not yet, the b25 would be used more and it can take more punishment.
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Wrong. B-25 is an EW bomber which is just a little less capable than the B-26 in game now.
A-26B/C (6,000lbs) Carried more than A-20G (4,000 lbs), B-26B (4,000lbs), and B-25C/D (3,000lbs typ). A-26 is faster than the A-20, B-26, and B-25. A-26 had provisions for 2 drop tanks, which I don't think the B-25 did, which would put the A-26's range over the top for all three of the bombers it replaced (the A-20, B-26, and B-25). A-26 just a little bit bigger in dimensions (and quite a bit heavier), than the A-20.
The B-25 did have more defensive guns (and larger crews) to the A-26's two barbettes controlled by one gunner, but the A-26 is also a much faster, more maneuverable, and much smaller target to hit than the B-25. So, speed maneuverability and smaller target vs 70mph slower, much larger, and 2 or 3 extra gun positions?
The B-25 has no more defensive capability than the B-26 in the game, and the B-26 is faster and carries more ord than the B-25 did on a typical mission.
Originally posted by 1Boner
B-25B--284 mph-----5,207 lbs bombs
B-25H--274 mph-----3,004 lbs bombs
A-26B--353 mph-----4,004 lbs bombs
I know the Wiki article on the B-25B is wrong as to bomb load carried. I've checked several other sources, and have been corrected by other members in this forum. The early B-25B could only carry 2,000 lbs worth of bombs... 4 X 500#s. The later B-25's bumped that up to 3,000 lbs ord for most typical missions, or 4,000 lbs of ord on short-ranged missions (light fuel load) and use of under wing mounts. Don't know where the 5K number came from, but I suppose it's possible under some configuration.
A-26 was always 4,000 lbs internal ord in 2 bomb bays (same as typical B-26 or overloaded B-25), and up to an additional 2,000 lbs on 4 wing points (but will reduce speed due to drag). So A-26 could carry 6,000 lbs of ord at most, which is TWICE what a later model B-25 could carry on a typical mission, and can still run faster than the B-25 with the ord on the wings. Even just using internal bomb bays, the A-26 beats a B-25 for typical bomb loads by 25%.
And if we get the A-26C as well as the B, it could run as fast as 374mph with a clean wing.
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Originally posted by teufl
Watch out GIAN, I have pictures of you and AM NOT afraid to post here, you Itallian stallion! PICK P39, the OTHER white meat
I'm not afraid, too! :D
Yeah, I'm voting for the P39, Teufl, you know I'm a bomber guy! :rolleyes: :D
<> to you... and NO to Ben Affleck!
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I know the Wiki article on the B-25B is wrong as to bomb load carried. I've checked several other sources, and have been corrected by other members in this forum. The early B-25B could only carry 2,000 lbs worth of bombs... 4 X 500#s. The later B-25's bumped that up to 3,000 lbs ord for most typical missions, or 4,000 lbs of ord on short-ranged missions (light fuel load) and use of under wing mounts. Don't know where the 5K number came from, but I suppose it's possible under some configuration.
MY Bad!!!
my "B" figures were actually for the B-25 C
from the " complete book of world war 2 aircraft"
by angelucci, matricardi and pinto.
ooooops,
Boner
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I'm glad that we're down to the last three finalists, The Flamebait Soapopera Pursefights in the initial campaign threads at the start of the vote were getting hard on the eyes.
Now we can find all the happy fun slapfights in one place! Hurrah.
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No, scotty, they're starting multiple thread/whine's again, already.
As if simply getting a new plane(when one wasn't originally planned) wasn't enough.
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another american bomber:/ im kinda disspointed in that fact..great planes..but most of the bombers we got are american bombers..i didnt think we would end up with more us planes..before we got some other countries bombers and planes...next time hightech..leave the votes out!! and just take suggestion's.. hehe
i would of liked a more rounded choice of warbirds..instead of such a allied bias selection...but i guess if its a usa bomber,,b25...im still in aw over the voting thou...we mite as well call this game allied high pretty soon:)<~~oohh yes..whine!! hehe,,jk
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I'm sure HTC finds it frustrating that they bring us a new ride, allow the general community to make the decision (that is a first ever BTW) and they still get B'ed at for doing so. Frankly I am glad to see earlier models getting added, we have more than enough of the 1945 planeset in the game already IMNSHO, those rides clearly dominate the plane choices in the LW quake arenas.
But since we are always in the mood to gripe I guess I'll make one, but I'll couch it as a suggestion :D
I figure the cost to create an entirely new 3D model and the associated FM for a new ride like any of the ones we voted for would require to be very significant to a small development team. If I were making the call I'd fill in the existing planeset some more with variants to existing models. Do it sometimes with new versions (P38F/P47C/B17F/P40N/etc), or with additional loadouts for existing models. That is why I voted for the Yak3 early on, It seems that would be easier to implement since we already have much (at least some) of the work done, getting the Yak1 added later would be nice.
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Good call Edbert, was flying LW earlier today and everybody(EVERYBODY) complaining about p39 being a hanger queen.......I fly EW enough to see the REAL need for 1939-42 planes. HE111 would have been good, but I had my eye on the p39 since day 1. I think the A26, a great plane to fly in Air Warrior, would have been used for something it would have never done in real life, either a fighter or bomber interceptor. P39 the OTHER white meat!:aok
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Originally posted by teufl
Good call Edbert, was flying LW earlier today and everybody(EVERYBODY) complaining about p39 being a hanger queen.......I fly EW enough to see the REAL need for 1939-42 planes. HE111 would have been good, but I had my eye on the p39 since day 1. I think the A26, a great plane to fly in Air Warrior, would have been used for something it would have never done in real life, either a fighter or bomber interceptor. P39 the OTHER white meat!:aok
LO....
Anyone who thinks the P-39 will be a hanger queen is in for a rude awakening.
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See you in the weeds!:D
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I would like to vote for two small planes.
The Fokker Dr1 and The Sopwith Camel :D
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Whats with the zero sum theory of life...lets make everyone happy and get both the b25 and p39.....Kudos to hitech.
999000
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Originally posted by humble
LO....
Anyone who thinks the P-39 will be a hanger queen is in for a rude awakening.
wholeheartedly agree.
But it is the most common arguement used by people in an attempt to deter support for planes the person making the arguement against said plane they dont like.
39 will be used no doubt. Probably not as much as the dweebfires or Lgays.
Buit it will be used
Alot will depend on how its modeled.
If its a relitively challanging bird to fly you will see the two ranges. Either the very new or the skilled pilots in them mostly.
If its an easy bird like say. the spit . You will see a wide range of people in them. All looking to get the most kills the easiest way possible
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Originally posted by Edbert
I'm sure HTC finds it frustrating that they bring us a new ride, allow the general community to make the decision (that is a first ever BTW) and they still get B'ed at for doing so.
LOL I think HTC knew exactly what they were in for before they even decided to put it to a vote.
They probably just decided to give us somethign to pre occupy us so they can get some work done whilst we argue amongst ourselves LOL
Sometimes children make the best babysitters for each other ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Sometimes children make the best babysitters for each other ;)
So true, so true.
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I think it's funny that they even allowed a vote for this. I mean, come on. Judging by the AH community in general, what other two aircraft could have been the finalists? :p
Not that I'm mad, as I love the P-39 (though the Mitchell will probably end up winning...). But, it would've been more practical to add a Russian or Japanese fighter, as those two plane sets are sorely lacking at this point.
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I don't see this 'vote' thing happening again.
I could be wrong though.