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Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Gearace on March 26, 2007, 06:14:13 PM
They had bi planes in world war II bi planes sunk down the Unbeatable german Bismark

Here are names of bi planes
Caproni Ca133
Fokker C.X
Ki-30 "anne"

Please add these to Aceshigh 2
Title: Re: Bi Planes
Post by: Spikes on March 26, 2007, 06:35:42 PM
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Originally posted by Gearace
They had bi planes in world war II bi planes sunk down the Unbeatable german Bismark

Here are names of bi planes
Caproni Ca133
Fokker C.X
Ki-30 "anne"

Please add these to Aceshigh 2



wasnt the swordfish a bi-plane?
Title: Re: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 26, 2007, 06:53:50 PM
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Originally posted by Gearace
They had bi planes in world war II bi planes sunk down the Unbeatable german Bismark
 


Yet, he doesnt mention the plane that ACTUALLY helped sink the bismark.

Btw, AFAIK, Biplanes didnt sink her. They took out her rudder, then the Navy caught up and destroyed her, before I believe it was HMS George V put a few torpedoes into her and finished her off. Or the Germans Scuttled her, still open debate. Biplanes, AFAIK, did not sink the Bismark. Now im often wrong, but this is one thing im 99% sure of! Only thing im not certain of is the name of the ship who loosed the fish at the Bismark to finish her
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 26, 2007, 07:24:04 PM
You're right, the Swordfish planes didn't sink the Bismark but without their aid I don't think the Bismark would have been sunk during that particular encounter.  It would have been eventually sunk but after it had gotten loose in the shipping lanes and wreaked havoc.


ack-ack
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 26, 2007, 07:25:59 PM
I never denied that the Swordfish didnt help in the sinking, but they never SANK her. they only helped
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 26, 2007, 07:31:28 PM
and I was affirming what you had correctly posted. ^__^


ack-ack
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 26, 2007, 07:33:44 PM
lol, ok sir, sorry. Just sounded as if you were saying that I had said that Biplanes had nuthing to do with the sinking
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Karnak on March 26, 2007, 07:53:00 PM
King George V and Nelson (or Rodney, can't recall which) shelled the heck out of the Bismark and turned her into a blazing, doomed wreck after the Swordfish crippled her.

However, King George V was a battleship and battleships don't carry torpedoes.  She was torpedoed by British destroyers or cruisers and her crew also set off the scuttling chargers.  It was the scuttling charges that sank her, but she was doomed regardless.
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: palef on March 26, 2007, 08:00:59 PM
It was HMS KGV and HMS Rodney. Nelson was laid up for repairs.
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 26, 2007, 08:28:48 PM
If the Bismark had not been discovered that day and slipped through to the Atlantic and started to patrol the shipping lanes, how much damage could it have done?  Would it had been as significant as the damage done by the U-boats or combined with the U-boats would have been enough to strangle England?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Bi Planes
Post by: Meatwad on March 26, 2007, 08:46:56 PM
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Originally posted by Gearace
They had bi planes in world war II bi planes sunk down the Unbeatable german Bismark

Here are names of bi planes
Caproni Ca133
Fokker C.X
Ki-30 "anne"

Please add these to Aceshigh 2


:rolleyes:
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Ball on March 27, 2007, 03:43:59 AM
The biggest impact the Swordfish had on the war wasn't the help in the sinking of the Bismark, but the attack on the Italian naval fleet in port at Taranto.

A few fabric biplanes pretty much took out the Italian fleet from the war and thus gave the British dominance of the Med.  The Japanese also studied the attack and used it as their inspiration to attack Pearl Harbour.

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.3942
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: DiabloTX on March 27, 2007, 04:34:06 AM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
If the Bismark had not been discovered that day and slipped through to the Atlantic and started to patrol the shipping lanes, how much damage could it have done?  Would it had been as significant as the damage done by the U-boats or combined with the U-boats would have been enough to strangle England?


ack-ack


I've wondered that exact question myself many, many times.  Given the huge expense and resources needed to build and maintain the Bismarck's for their role (mainly commerce raiding) you'd think it'd be better used for a few dozen more u-boats.  Tirpitz did nothing more than become a constant target for the RAF.  But, ultimately, so did the u-boats.
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 27, 2007, 08:38:59 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
King George V and Nelson (or Rodney, can't recall which) shelled the heck out of the Bismark and turned her into a blazing, doomed wreck after the Swordfish crippled her.

However, King George V was a battleship and battleships don't carry torpedoes.  She was torpedoed by British destroyers or cruisers and her crew also set off the scuttling chargers.  It was the scuttling charges that sank her, but she was doomed regardless.


Thanks Karnak, wasnt sure, I had honestly no idea who launched the torpedoes at her. But i DO know it WASNT swordfish who sank her
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: RATTFINK on March 27, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
Didn't the show "Dogfights" show the Sowrdfish sinking the Biz?
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 27, 2007, 03:09:56 PM
The Swordfish launched a raid of the HMS Ark Royal, and managed to hit the Bismarks Rudder. The naval command thought it was a trick to throw them off or a mis spotting, but after two more recon planes had confirmed it, they knew the Bismark was in trouble. They then sent in the big guns (Ok, crap pun but hey) aand inside of I believe it was 15 minutes, they had reduced the upper deck to an inferno. No one survived on the upper decks AFAIK. Then after this, they fired some torpedoes into the Bismark to finish her off, and some people say the Germans Scuttled her as well. This is from What I know, and the Swordfish didnt sink her. No show should show her as doing this
Title: Re: Bi Planes
Post by: Puck on March 27, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
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Originally posted by Gearace
They had bi planes in world war II bi planes sunk down the Unbeatable german Bismark

Here are names of bi planes
Caproni Ca133
Fokker C.X
Ki-30 "anne"

Please add these to Aceshigh 2
 

Sheesh.  If you're going to add targets and hanger queens why not add the Brewster to that list?



:D
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Puck on March 27, 2007, 03:28:45 PM
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Originally posted by RATTFINK
Didn't the show "Dogfights" show the Sowrdfish sinking the Biz?


No, they showed the Swordfish forcing her into a continuous left turn and a bunch of big guns (heh) pounding her into scap metal.  They emphasized the bit about them flying through all the AAA, though.

There's a story of a British sailor jumping into the water to save a German who had his arms blown off during the battle.  They charged him with desertion or something like that.  Any truth?
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Gearace on March 27, 2007, 03:29:57 PM
are we talking about the BI Plane or the Bismark
ok i should of put the bi plane helped sank the Bismark
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: macleod01 on March 27, 2007, 03:30:21 PM
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Originally posted by Puck
and a bunch of big guns (heh) pounding her into scap metal.


I JUST MADE THAT JOKE! :furious :furious
Title: Bi Planes
Post by: Puck on March 27, 2007, 03:47:09 PM
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Originally posted by macleod01
I JUST MADE THAT JOKE! :furious :furious


I know  :cool:  That was what the "heh" was for  :)