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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BBBB on March 26, 2007, 09:00:44 PM
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I have a question. Today I took off in my B24s loaded down with fuel and 500lbers. I was going to hit a Rook field and take out their fighter hangers. When I got on station someone had already done this. I was at 20K and noted a ton of bad guys on the runway taking off/landing. So I adjusted and ran the sight down the centerline of the runway dropping one bomb every second. In the end I racked up a kill and an bellybutton load of assists. A guy came on 200 crying about it. Telling me to be a man and fly lower. I have been a member of AH for a few years now...but I have never delt with something like this.
I didnt see anything wrong with my tactic. I saw a chance to clear the airspace up a bit with a few bombs and took it. Now my question is what do you guys think about this tactic? Is it fair? Is it lame? Should I do it again? I felt mixed on my return flight home. On the one hand I felt like I was bombing a valid target and I wish I would have killed more of them on the ground. On the other hand it did seem a bit noobish to drop bombs on the runway.
-BB
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Everytime you successfully execute a bomb vulch god creates a kitten, from 20k probably a whole litter!
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Even though I'm a Rook:mad:
You didn't take off with the intent to vulch-bomb the runway. You got lemons, you made lemonade. :aok
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Originally posted by BBBB
I have a question. Today I took off in my B24s loaded down with fuel and 500lbers. I was going to hit a Rook field and take out their fighter hangers. When I got on station someone had already done this. I was at 20K and noted a ton of bad guys on the runway taking off/landing. So I adjusted and ran the sight down the centerline of the runway dropping one bomb every second. In the end I racked up a kill and an bellybutton load of assists. A guy came on 200 crying about it. Telling me to be a man and fly lower. I have been a member of AH for a few years now...but I have never delt with something like this.
I didnt see anything wrong with my tactic. I saw a chance to clear the airspace up a bit with a few bombs and took it. Now my question is what do you guys think about this tactic? Is it fair? Is it lame? Should I do it again? I felt mixed on my return flight home. On the one hand I felt like I was bombing a valid target and I wish I would have killed more of them on the ground. On the other hand it did seem a bit noobish to drop bombs on the runway.
-BB
If they didn't want you bombing their base, they should have upped and intercepted you. Who gives a rats rear-end about what some dope on 200 thinks?
Runway bombing is/was an accepted tactic. If anything, the game needs a base damage model that can make runway cratering into account. We should be able to drop enough bombs (and it really only takes a few well placed ones) to make a runway unusable (say for the same 15 minutes that the hangers are down). That wouldn't stop guys from upping fighters from hangers and taking off on the grass, but it should stop guys from upping loaded buffs on a runway that looks like the surface of the moon.
I doubt the 200 whiner would have any compunction about wacking your bombers at low altitude if he was coming in with the altitude advantage. You spent the time climbing up to 20K, you got the benefit of a well planned bombing mission that racked up a lot of kills. RTB and have a cold one in the O Club.
Famous quote (who knows from where?) -
Q: Whats best in life?
A: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Should I do it again?
I forgot to reply to this question, and the answer is no-never bomb a Rook field again!;)
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Ordnance vulching, while irritating to those on the receiving end, is an uncommon skill in the MAs. I happen to enjoy it immensely, although I'm not very good at it. If you have this talent, make use of it.
It is perfectly acceptable to vulch anyone but me in this manner.
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Originally posted by BBBB
I have a question. Today I took off in my B24s loaded down with fuel and 500lbers. I was going to hit a Rook field and take out their fighter hangers. When I got on station someone had already done this. I was at 20K and noted a ton of bad guys on the runway taking off/landing. So I adjusted and ran the sight down the centerline of the runway dropping one bomb every second. In the end I racked up a kill and an bellybutton load of assists. A guy came on 200 crying about it. Telling me to be a man and fly lower. I have been a member of AH for a few years now...but I have never delt with something like this.
I didnt see anything wrong with my tactic. I saw a chance to clear the airspace up a bit with a few bombs and took it. Now my question is what do you guys think about this tactic? Is it fair? Is it lame? Should I do it again? I felt mixed on my return flight home. On the one hand I felt like I was bombing a valid target and I wish I would have killed more of them on the ground. On the other hand it did seem a bit noobish to drop bombs on the runway.
-BB
Sounds like they picked the wrong time to take off or they thought the whistle of the falling bombs was chow call.
ack-ack
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people will always complain when you dont play the way they want you to. in the end its your $15. do what you wish with it :D
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Famous quote (who knows from where?) -
Q: Whats best in life?
A: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women.
EagleDNY
$.02
Conan the Barbarian, not to be confused of course with Conan the Librarian. "Don't you know the dewey decimal system!?!?!!"
(http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/conan.jpg)
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WELL MISTER! Do it again, and again, and several more times after that. Hell, you can bomb a moving plane from 20K more power to ya bro.
Geary, props on the UHF reference:aok
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We call it "Goin Fishin" which is alot like fishin. Sometimes you get nothin, other times you exceed yer limit. Its a lot of fun. No different than vulchin in my book.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
We call it "Goin Fishin" which is alot like fishin. Sometimes you get nothin, other times you exceed yer limit. Its a lot of fun.
I am going to use that line. I just did it again and got nothing. So it is a lot like fishing.
-BB
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You need someone's permission to play the game the way that's most fun for you?
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I do not recall asking for permission. I wanted some different views on the matter. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing :aok
-BB
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One time about a year or two ago I was up in my Lancs at probably 23K as usual. I can't remember what happened or why but I found myself diving. I probably had just had my drones shot down and had been turn fighting someone to try to stay alive with my final buff. That's usually the only explanation for me giving up alt.
Anyway, whatever the reason I was diving and it happened to be toward an enemy field. I still had bombs on-board and, as I started to pull up I let the bombs go.
To my surprise I got 6 kills!
That was the one and only time I've ever dive bombed (or even bombed from low alt) in a Lanc and it was totally lucky.
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Whats worse? Getting "bomb vulched" on t/o, and immediately re-upping?
Or having all FH's taken down, and having to up the fighter of your choice from another base?
:rolleyes:
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I did something to that effect the other day in my P-51. I was bounced by a 190 so I kicked off my two 500lbers and they must have hit some GVs because I got two kills almost at the same time. I didn't even know they were down there.
-BB
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Next time take the B-17 with the 24 100lb bomb option. Salvo 24 / delay .75 and you can walk the whole load right down the runway no problem from end to end.
I fly at least one mission a month and do this just to see how many people I can get to whine about it on 200. My goal is to land a 10+ kill mission. One of these days I hope to get lucky and catch a big mission as it spawns and wipe out the entire force with one pass. I have to say the thought of doing that puts a big smile on my face. It's nice to catch people on the re-arm pad as well because you know they are trying to rack up a big kill sortie.
Don't think twice about it, except to plan ahead. :aok
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Hey as a bomber guy, my own squad mates would call me a fun nazi for egging the GVs with my Lancs ;)
If you got em whining on Ch 200....that's a bonus!
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Tonight we had 3 B17s and separated 1k in a line. We had 12- 500lb bombs and dropped 6 on the first pass. Then we turned and repeated. We hooked up with 999000 who had been whittlin away at anyone below us in his buffs. We all 4 rtb'd total of 14 kills between us. It was a blast.
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I'm not 100% on this but I believe that the rwy is a legit bomber target. It has a "hardness" which is changeable in offline and I believe if straffed or bombed it counts toward your hp.
Of course I could be totally off on that. :confused:
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Originally posted by BBBB
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing :aok
curate ipsum
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Ordnance vulching, while irritating to those on the receiving end, is an uncommon skill in the MAs. I happen to enjoy it immensely, although I'm not very good at it. If you have this talent, make use of it.
It is perfectly acceptable to vulch anyone but me in this manner.
LOL im with Hubs.....
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by moot
curate ipsum
It is spelled "Cura te Ipsum" Which is Latin for "Take care of your own self." Which I would encourage you to do sir. :aok
As for this issue, it seems as if it is more popular than I thought. I am definitely "going fishing" again real soon.
-BB
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Originally posted by TinmanX
I'm not 100% on this but I believe that the rwy is a legit bomber target. It has a "hardness" which is changeable in offline and I believe if straffed or bombed it counts toward your hp.
Of course I could be totally off on that. :confused:
Someone said in another thread that it has the same hardness as the tower, which I believe is set at 125,000 lbs or somethings. Enough Lancs could theoretically drop one. Could be interesting to see.
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What effect would taking down the runway or leveling a tower have on a field?
-BB
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Originally posted by BBBB
What effect would taking down the runway or leveling a tower have on a field?
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Unknown. Don't know if anyone's actually done it before.
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Hmmmmm! This might warrant further investigation. If the Tower is down can you even up from that field, or even switch to that field? Would you be forced out to the next base, like having the base captured while you are in the tower?
Much to ponder.
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I think its worth a try :)
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"Runway bombing is/was an accepted tactic. If anything, the game needs a base damage model that can make runway cratering into account. We should be able to drop enough bombs (and it really only takes a few well placed ones) to make a runway unusable (say for the same 15 minutes that the hangers are down). That wouldn't stop guys from upping fighters from hangers and taking off on the grass, but it should stop guys from upping loaded buffs on a runway that looks like the surface of the moon."
:rolleyes: all we need ..more ways to get people not to fight back
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think of it this way your vulching like a fighter always helps me!!!i once had 12 kills that way didnt live though rest of the bee hive got pod
sunk a cv once while a mission was taking off got 14 that way!!!!!
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:t :t :aok :t :t
:p
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Originally posted by moneyguy
people will always complain when you dont play the way they want you to. in the end its your $15. do what you wish with it :D
Yeap, had it happen last nght while hitting a field with some 24's. Was at 12k and in the pipe lining up on two more fighter hangers, (already had 2 down)... anyways, a lone tiffie rolls up behind me and sits at about 1.5 out and was just waiting. After learning some tricks from 999000, (which I cannot tell you :p ) I drop eggs, jump in the tail gun and hit the tiffie from about 1000 out as he started to close. Was great timing and was proud of myself for getting the timing right. As he falls to his death I see the text buffer message of the two hangers being destroyed. Almost instantly I see 200 light up "nice warp".... I asked when.... he said "right when you dropped your bombs, you dropped off of radar"..... Your radar just got knocked out at the base......
With that final comment I get nothing back from him and he logs..... Like MoneyGuy said, if they die and it didn't go in favor of them, your a cheater, but then again some people think some of the best squads overall in the game milk thier score in the EW/MW even though most of the squads time is in the LW.... How the heck do you pad a score in LW? :huh
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I LIKE THE RUNWAY DAMAGE MODEL BUT WOULDNT THIS BE A WHINE LATER 1 BUFF DESTROYING RUNWAYS IN 4 SECTORS WOULD BRING UP A FIGHTER WHINE IM SURE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOAD ORD EFFECT FOR THIS I THINK THUSS I SET FORM CANNOT DESTROY A RUNWAY MIGHT TAKE 3 SETS TO GET THE EFFECT
IF THEY WOULD PUT THIS IN THERES NOONE WHO COULD CALL IT UNACCURATE THEY REALLY DID BOMB RUNWAYS IN REAL LIFE !!!!
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Stop screaming and use punctuation.
BBBB Cura te ipsum implies you should take some of your own medecine, as per the full version "Medice, cura te ipsum".
If you had sufficient reading comprehension to recognize the intent of my reply, you'd see it was a rhetorical question, pointing out that RWY bombing being lame or fair, whether you should do it again, has little or nothing to do with what others think of it... hence asking it in a thread open to anyone sort of contradictory.
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Originally posted by tatertot
I LIKE THE RUNWAY DAMAGE MODEL BUT WOULDNT THIS BE A WHINE LATER 1 BUFF DESTROYING RUNWAYS IN 4 SECTORS WOULD BRING UP A FIGHTER WHINE IM SURE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOAD ORD EFFECT FOR THIS I THINK THUSS I SET FORM CANNOT DESTROY A RUNWAY MIGHT TAKE 3 SETS TO GET THE EFFECT
IF THEY WOULD PUT THIS IN THERES NOONE WHO COULD CALL IT UNACCURATE THEY REALLY DID BOMB RUNWAYS IN REAL LIFE !!!!
You must be insane. I'll tell you why. "IF" runway damage was modelled how long would it take for Mr Nintendo kid to figure out that all you have to do is bomb the plane spawn points. In effect closing a field with less bombs than normal. Then how long would it take for Mr Nintendo kid to figure that if he whacked a plane spawn and flew around he would pick up crap loads of kills as planes spawned to instant death. I can just see the glee on the Bish kids face right now.
Been there done this in another HTC sim. Was called the spawn wars back then and even though there was a gentleman's agreement not to. It still happened on a daily bases somewhere.
As for the guy opening this thread getting 1 kill from prolly a minimum of 6 bombs......what a total waist of his time but it's his time. Not mine. Personally I would have bombed the town or flown out and come back in when hangers upped. Good luck to the guy if that's his gig.
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I love to see two college guys battle it out in Latin.
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Originally posted by LYNX
As for the guy opening this thread getting 1 kill from prolly a minimum of 6 bombs......what a total waist of his time but it's his time. Not mine. Personally I would have bombed the town or flown out and come back in when hangers upped. Good luck to the guy if that's his gig.
Yea,,, or hitting the VH woud have been nice.
Cod forbid if they ever did that.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
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Originally posted by moot
Stop screaming and use punctuation.
BBBB Cura te ipsum implies you should take some of your own medecine, as per the full version "Medice, cura te ipsum".
If you had sufficient reading comprehension to recognize the intent of my reply, you'd see it was a rhetorical question, pointing out that RWY bombing being lame or fair, whether you should do it again, has little or nothing to do with what others think of it... hence asking it in a thread open to anyone sort of contradictory.
Well..next time I decide to start I thread I will PM you first to see if it meets your standards for thread validity in open fourm on the internet. I wouldn't want you to have to look up anymore latin words that have nothing to do with my thread or post, so that you can feel better about being you and sounding semi intelligent. How long were you holding on to that phrase? A week? A month? Find something else to do with your time rather than sitting around being a fourm troll. If you don't have anything vaild to add to the topic then stay out. It is just the simple.
Back on topic. Now I want to set up a bombing mission to take out a single tower. I would need guys that knew how to bomb. How many buffs do you think it would take to drop a fields tower?
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Um, BBBB, no offense, but you look a bit silly asking what everyone thinks, then getting mad when someone says they don't care, and that you shouldn't either.
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This thread is to discuss the tactic of RWY bombing. That is all. Yes I asked what others thought about the matter and yes I asked if they feel I should do it again. However that is not going to impact how I fly.
Moot has a habit of going into threads and bringing nothing to the table but negtive comments. I was simply pointing out that if you do not have anything to add on the subject then don't add anything at all. I am far from mad my friend. I am about to go to dinner with the most beautiful woman on the planet..IMO. I am in a great mood.
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Filth, I guess Italians are college guys without exception?
gavte la nata :lol
BBBB I bring nothing but negatives to the threads I reply to, everytime? That's another rethorical question.
Like I said, you come to an open forum asking for others' opinion on something, but then say that that something is not something for which you care for others' opinion.
Who said anything about being mad?
Like I said, "lameness" or "gayness" or any of those mocks are just mocks. They don't stand up to reason anymore than taste does, which is what decides what's fun, and what's not.. which is what your first post argues.. taste.
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Originally posted by moot
I guess Italians are college guys without exception?
gavte la nata :lol
You first. :lol
-BB
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Originally posted by Bronk
Yea,,, or hitting the VH woud have been nice.
Cod forbid if they ever did that.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
Yes indeed...a timely reminder of the much over looked VH.:aok
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So, you can't deny that your post was as contradictory as I pointed out, but you do bite really hard at anything that even remotely seems to be an invitation to smack talk.. which like I said was a wrong assumption.
You ask for others' opinion, but then flip off those opinions when they don't match your expectations.. saying those opinions aren't what you asked for when you asked for opinions.
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Something about a cork. Whoosh right over my head.
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Pull the cork out, you're over-inflating.
An italian friend said so when I made the same comment about latin proverbs applied to everyday circumstances.
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And then?... This one summer?... At band camp?...
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I'm over-inflating? By that do you mean making a mountain out of a mole-hill, or do you mean I'm full of myself? If the latter, then you missed the point I was trying to make with my original bit about the college guys. I beat you to it.
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Mole hills everywhere.
All I ever typed in this thread was text refutal and responses to text. I don't know and don't assume, nor care what the homo sapiens who typed the text I replied to was feeling or what his testosterone levels are.
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I saw this thread while looking for other info and just had to reply.
Something I was thinking of as I was reading the replies was, all those that got hit on the runway and started powerwhining about it, I wonder how they feel about vulching enemy flyers trying to up on a base defense?
If they are there in numbers and trying to destroy and take the base do they think that vulching players running down the runway is somehow politically or morally incorrect?
At this late stage in life I have found it most often true that those that are whining the loudest and most often about something are the same that are the most guilty of it. :O
So just my opinion but do what you feel comfortable with. It's your $.50 a day. I mean as far as anybody else playing goes "You buys your ticket and you takes your chances"
Later,
KayBay