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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: crockett on March 27, 2007, 12:25:14 PM
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Would just like to put the idea out there for the tracers on/off option to be able to be selected by what you are in.
As a fighter I like to have my tracers turned off, I like to get my kills as sneaky as possible and that means so tracers buzzing past the enemy cockpit.
However being there is only a "master" on/off selection it means if I up a flack/ bomber or what ever I have to fly no tracers as well.
This isn't a complaint or anything jut a "wish list" post, but it would be great if you could choose tracers on or off for each group of vehicles. So Bombers, GV's, field guns and fighters could each have a separate option.
Just a thought.. :D
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I had a similar idea years ago, but it was more about having the ability to turn tracers off for the secondary and on for the primary.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125996
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Yep, it's been asked for many times, in various forms.
Tracer placement or omission at different points in the different belts, historical or personal tracer colors, etc.
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Yep, still a good idea, IMO.
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Im for the option of turning tracers off...off
:cool:
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I want my tracers death colored.
Hiya Moot.
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Hey Drunky.
Let me know if you ever need a wing.
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If you turn your tracers off are they off just for you, or for the enemy also?
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Originally posted by mmi*
If you turn your tracers off are they off just for you, or for the enemy also?
Half the reason some like to turn it off is they feel it helps their aim.
Personally I dont find my aim to be any different one way or the other.
the other half is so that you can sneak up on your opponent and fire away miss a bunch of times without your victim knowing your there because he doesnt see any tracer rounds
so yes. they are off for both you, and the enemy
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Ah, thanks.
I read somewhere the other day, I've got a feeling it was in a book called Fighter Boys (forget the author now, can find out if people care), that later in the war Allied units stopped using tracers in the ETO and their losses were reduced by around 50%.
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Robert L. "Mouse" Shaw writes about how some squadrons stopped using tracers in WWII in his book Fighter Combat tactics and Maneuvering.
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Watch any old guncam footage, they almost always show no tracers until the end of the belt. At least in USAAF films.
Primarily API and slugs.
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Some guys did that so they would know when they where low on ammo. Problem was, the enemy figured that out.
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I have also been told that bomber gunners used EXTRA tracers, as to scare off the enemy.
I bet this would've worked in some way, just watch the endles stream of bullets coming at you when you attack a formation of B-17's!
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Yeah it is a neat idea, I've read so many stories of WW2 dogfights were the pilot just got tired of seeing all those tracer rounds so he flicked a switch and wahlah!!! Their all gone!
:huh
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Originally posted by MOIL
Yeah it is a neat idea, I've read so many stories of WW2 dogfights were the pilot just got tired of seeing all those tracer rounds so he flicked a switch and wahlah!!! Their all gone!
:huh
You can't just flip a switch in the game.. it's a setting you have to set before you take off.
I guess it's possible to change it back and forth each time you choose a new ride, but that just become a pane in the butt. So it would be great to be able to set defaults for the different groups of vehicles/planes.
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I would prefer a check box in the hangar screen along with loadouts and/or convergence settings.
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Originally posted by crockett
Would just like to put the idea out there for the tracers on/off option to be able to be selected by what you are in.
I saw an episode on the flying tigers on the History Channel where a Flying Tiger pilot, flying the P-40b, said that every 5th round of ammo was a tracer round. This could be another option to choose when selecting the use of tracers.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Half the reason some like to turn it off is they feel it helps their aim.
Personally I dont find my aim to be any different one way or the other.
the other half is so that you can sneak up on your opponent and fire away miss a bunch of times without your victim knowing your there because he doesnt see any tracer rounds
so yes. they are off for both you, and the enemy
I don't think so. I run with tracers on and off depending on the day. Even if I have tracers off, the nmy's tracers are on unless they turned them off (at least I am pretty sure.....)
I too would like a check box in the load out screen. It's too many clicks to get there otherwise..
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Oh my lord people...
Tracers off/on option only affects YOUR tracers, it does not make other players tracers invisible on your end. YOUR tracers are invisible on THEIR end.
In real life, most units stopped using tracers at various points in the war because-
A) Tracers give you away if your first shot is off target. As it almost always is.
B) Tracers give you away to everyone else in the enemy formation even if you do get the guy you are shooting at. Unlike in AH, most real pilots didn't charge around alone, and actually looked around once in a while.
C) Tracers have different ballistics than standard rounds, which means if you are using them to sight the 4 rounds in between may be overshooting or falling short.
D) Its just plain easier to load all those belts if every round is an API than if you have to count them and insert a tracer every fifth round.
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Having the ability to select the ratio of tracers to API or other rounds needs to have limits. A Jug with 8 .50's and a pure tracer loadout = FRICKAN LAZER BEAMS.
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All it'd need is a shark paint scheme.
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Edit: It seems I misread what Treize was typing
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Half the reason some like to turn it off is they feel it helps their aim.
Personally I dont find my aim to be any different one way or the other.
the other half is so that you can sneak up on your opponent and fire away miss a bunch of times without your victim knowing your there because he doesnt see any tracer rounds
so yes. they are off for both you, and the enemy
funny thing is,when in an osti,with tracers off,the person shooting with osti doesn't see tracers but anyother GV's in the area do.... Not sure if they are seen by enemy A/C.... A squaddie and I were in osti's I had tracers off,yet he could see mine.He turned his off and I could see his.
Is this a glitch??? has it always been this way?? :O :O :O
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Originally posted by Krusty
Uh.. Wrong.
If you enable tracers on your end, the enemy can see them too. If you disable them, the enemy cannot see them, but neither can you.
I've had enemy come at me, tracers blazing, and others (most) without them, but with the gunports blazing. When you see the white trails going past your wing/canopy/whatever, that enemy has theirs enabled, and you see them. Regardless of whether yours are on or off, you'll only see them on other planes if that pilot has them on.
P.S. this is in the wrong forum.
I think that's what he said...
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**commences pounding head on desk over same idiotic comments he was trying to stop**
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Treize, forgive me if this is so, but have I mis-read your post?
Looking at the wording, it seemed (when I read it) that you were saying my personal settings don't affect what the enemy sees, and that the enemy never sees my tracers.
If that was not the case then I'm sorry and will edit the post.
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I fly with my tracers off for the stealth and aim factors but tracers do have some good points:
Pointing out GV's.
Helping clear a squadies six.
Dive bombing.
I'd like to put tracer rounds in only one set of guns, say my secondary.
That way I'd have'em if I need'em, but Icould still fire undetected.
Tsnow
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Seeing as how the first 4 words of the statement are "Tracers on/off option", not "standard default visual effects"...
You really should try reading WHOLE posts sometimes instead of just every third word or so, you learn much more and generally make fewer inane and pointless responses.
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I did read the whole post!
As I understood it, you were saying that toggling the tracers on or off under flight options doesn't affect what others see. The wording seemed to imply that, at any rate.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Seeing as how the first 4 words of the statement are "Tracers on/off option", not "standard default visual effects"...
You really should try reading WHOLE posts sometimes instead of just every third word or so, you learn much more and generally make fewer inane and pointless responses.
Ouch... someone is having a bad day...
Don't forget, it's "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" not "do unto others before they do unto you"
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I think Treize has lost it. He's talking about invisible tracers.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think Treize has lost it. He's talking about invisible tracers.
lol now there is an option .. tracers that only you can see from your own plane... :D
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Originally posted by crockett
....a pane in the butt. .....
That is either a really gross way to do a rectal exam, or the aftermath of an uncomforatble accident....
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I would like the ability to turn them off for anything smaller than 30mm or even perhaps 20mm rounds.
I understand that a 30mm round will definately have some sort of trail simply due to its size. Is this incorrect?
Hence, I have tracers on for the aircraft is the Mk108 in.
Having to turn this off every time I jump into something with smaller rounds is tiresome.
Idealy, you could select the guns that had tracer rounds.
30mm = on
MG = off
20mm = off
MG = Off
This would be grand! :aok
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I partially agree with hub. A checkbox in the hangar would be a lot handier than going through all the clicks. I fly one plane exclusively, with tracers off. Since I'm so used to the ballistics I don't need them.
However, if I up a different plane (most of the time it's a 110 to kill ord somewhere) my aim is god awful and wish I could toggle tracers on/off in flight.
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and another old thread is dragged out
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Wasn't me this time :D
As for the whole tracer being off and on (and yes, I have read all the posts) I like the idea of the enemy not seeing me shoot at him because he can't tell how horrible I am missing :p
More fun on the FG - especially when you pop one and they have no clue what hit em :aok
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I would prefer to be able to choose to load tracers in the hangar with a check box that is associated with a particular plane.
(example- once chosen I would not have tracers for F4u-1 but I may want to load tracers for KI61)
or having it in the convergence page would make alot of sense as well.
the key would be that tracers would be a preference that sticks with a plane----just like convergence
I am one of those folks that believes once you "know" the ballistics of your weapon, the hit % goes up with tracers not loaded.
Tracers work in 2 directions- no tracers can lead to a split second of confusion by the enemy -- enough time to saw off his wing
:D
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imagine resetting your views each time you chose a different plane
or having convergence set reset it across the board to all planes