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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on March 27, 2007, 07:37:48 PM
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Senate Signals Support for Iraq Timeline (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070327/D8O4P0TO2.html)
Three months after Democrats took power in Congress, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the moment was at hand to "send a message to President Bush that the time has come to find a new way forward in this intractable war."
Seems they do not even know the difference between forward and backward now ... the dems must think retreating in defeat is " a new way foward".
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bush will veto it , and they don't have the votes to override the veto.
so it is all political posturing for the 2008 elections.
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the only reason the bill that had the surrender date in it even passed is because it contained about 20 billion dollars worth of bribes
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Dems finally do something right.
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Originally posted by namvet
Dems finally do something right.
Heh! Check out the pork attached to that!
FWIW, they plan to propose the biggest increase in taxes since 1941 soon.
http://victorycaucus.com/supplemental_senate.php
Follow the link for the particulars;
first page
The President shall commence the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, with the goal of redeploying, by March 31, 2008, all United States combat forces from Iraq
Benchmarks for the Government of Iraq
Benchmarks for Certain Reconstruction Assistance For Iraq
$24 million for funding for sugar beets.
$3 million for funding for sugar cane (goes to one Hawaiian co-op).
$20 million for insect infestation damage reimbursements in Nevada, Idaho, and Utah.
$2.1 billion for crop production losses.
$1.5 billion for livestock production losses.
$100 million for Dairy Production Losses.
$13 million for Ewe Lamb Replacement and Retention Program.
$32 million for Livestock Indemnity Program.
$40 million for the Tree Assistance Program.
$100 million for Small Agricultural Dependent Businesses.
$6 million for North Dakota flooded crop land.
$35 million for emergency conservation program.
$50 million for the emergency watershed program.
$115 million for the conservation security program.
$18 million for drought assistance in upper Great Plains/South West.
Provision that extends the availability by a year $3.5 million in funding for guided tours of the Capitol. Also a provision allows transfer of funds from holiday ornament sales in the Senate gift shop.
$165.9 million for fisheries disaster relief, funded through NOAA (including $60.4 million for salmon fisheries in the Klamath Basin region).
$12 million for forest service money (requested by the president in the non-emergency FY2008 budget).
$425 million for education grants for rural areas – (Secure Rural Schools program).
$640 million for LIHEAP.
$25 million for asbestos abatement at the Capitol Power Plant.
$388.9 million for funding for backlog of old Department of Transportation projects.
$22.8 million for geothermal research and development.
$500 million for wildland fire management.
$13 million for mine safety technology research.
$31 million for one month extension of Milk Income Loss Contract program (MILC)
$50 million for fisheries disaster mitigation fund.
$100 million for security at the Presidential Candidate Nominating Conventions
$2 million for the University of Vermont
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Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
$388.9 million for funding for backlog of old Department of Transportation projects.
Bridge to nowhere anyone?
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Originally posted by namvet
Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."
it does?
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Originally posted by namvet
Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."
Theres ALways a good reason to do that--but it's moot to say we oughtn't have gone in--we leave, and many good people will get slaughtered, and Iraq will become another Lebanon--an Iranian proxy
Not TOO many peeps are in favor of it either:
UPI Poll: Results on Dems' Iraq plan
Published: Mar. 27, 2007 at 12:01 PM
A strong plurality of participants in a UPI-Zogby International poll views the congressional Democrats' plan for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq very unfavorably.
Democrats have drawn up legislation on funding for the war in Iraq that includes a plan to have the U.S. military out of Iraq by September 2008. U.S. President George Bush, who also has problems with other sections of the bill, has promised to veto the measure if it passes in the Senate.
While a total of 46.8 percent of those asked were either "very favorable" (20.8 percent) or "somewhat favorable" (26 percent) of the Democrats' plan, 40.2 percent -- the largest percentage for a single choice -- gave an answer of "very unfavorable" and 8.8 percent were "somewhat unfavorable."
While 74 percent of Republicans viewed the plan before the U.S. Congress "very unfavorably," 43.3 percent of Democrats were in the "somewhat favorable" and 38.9 percent were in the "very favorable" camps.
The Zogby interactive poll of 4,824 U.S. residents was conduced March 14-16 and has a margin of error or 1.4 percentage points.
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Hitler would be proud of you two.
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Ahh the last refuge of the leftist debater--the 'Hitler' tactic
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Fascist is as fascist does.
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"Hitler" and "Fascist"---that's the same insult twice...learn that in Ivy League school?
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You people cant seriously entertain the idea the idiot liars that got us into this disaster can actually fix it? Is one party going to suddenly get a 1st time ever injection of competence?
The repubs and Dems are just too stupid, petty, incompetent and consumed with serving their party masters to come up with any reasonable plan that has a hope in hell of succeeding.
Lets not forget the fact that a perceived "US / Zionist / Jew" (whatever rhetoric) installed puppet govt in Iraq that will be doomed to fail, especially now that Irans traditional enemy is gone and they have plenty of time & money to screw things up.
This will be no different than our first failed experiment in bringing democracy to the middle east, aka 'the shaw'. And thanks to the anarchy we brought to Iraq anti govt forces can thrive in that area forever and be a thorn in every-ones sphincter.
By the way, would you be any different if some foreign troops came stomping in, ruined your quality of life, probably killed some friends or arrested others with no charges, trial or due process while they rotted in a place like Abu Ghraib? you know that US troops routinely kick in doors, search houses and with no warrants.. would you stand for foreign troops doing this to you? at your house?
I appreciate why our guys have to do this and I agree they should be allowed to do so since it will save US troops lives, but I'm bias.. if it was my home, friends and life being violated for years on end while a bunch of idiot politicians 1/2 across the world bickered as I suffered, I'd start taking some of them out myself.
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The Dems lost all credibility when they attached all that pork to that bill. Please dear God let there be a viable third-party candidate in 2008.
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After 4 years, a new plan is installed (NOT thought up by Rumsfeld, but by a real general)--and even though 4 brigades haven't even gotten there yet---some actual progress can be observed--The Dems have based their political fortunes on the anti-war stance, and you MUST admit, if the US were to win..the Dems would be fluffied--the are invested in our actual, or perceived, defeat, and the more things look otherwise, the more shrill their "We have to get out NOW" chants become
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The demodorks pass a bill that will not go anywhere, will not do anything, and to accomplish that zero accomplishment, they spend (give away to stupid programs) billions in our tax dollars, and some absolutely stupid people cheer.
I would prefer they do real work, accomplish something positive, and not blow tax dollars doing nothing. I really don't need another tax increase.
And the stupid people cheer. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by namvet
Hitler would be proud of you two.
What weak punk coward you are.:rofl
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Don't feed it. If you feed it, it will keep coming back.
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I don't believe you guys that are bringing up the pork aspect of this bill, are you nuts?!!!
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Look at the pre dem defense bills fer christ sakes, you gonna say they were pork free?..if your a non thinking moron or a lemming you might.
shamus
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namvet forgot to say neo-something.
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And did you see one of the Dems proposed setting a classified date for the withdrawal? Oh yeah. That might be a secret for about 45 minutes.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Don't feed it. If you feed it, it will keep coming back.
I know, I know.:(
:D
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Originally posted by john9001
namvet forgot to say neo-something.
Well, no one here has graduated from "neo"-conservative to "neo"-fascist. Yet. Give it time.:t
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Originally posted by Shamus
I don't believe you guys that are bringing up the pork aspect of this bill, are you nuts?!!!
Hypocrisy at its finest.
By Nancy Pelosi
With their votes, the American people asked for change. They cast their ballots in favor of a New Direction.
They called for greater integrity in Washington, and Democrats pledge to make this the most honest, ethical, and open Congress in history.
The American people - many Republican and independent voters among them - entrusted Democrats with their hopes and aspirations for themselves, their families, and their future. We are prepared to lead and ready to govern. We will honor that trust, and we will not disappoint.
A new direction? .... Same old same old. Hypocrisy at its finest? We are not even close to the professionals.
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wonder why they don't call the "new direction" for what is really is ... backwards - as in a yelow bellied, turn tail, sry we don't have the stomach or the patience to see anything through anymore, bush is evil, retreat from the blood for oil war...Michael Moore must be proud.
if the dems win in 08 and we leave Iraq to Iran, we as a nation deserve what comes next .. and I do not think it will be some upswing in global opinion of the US as the dems would make you think. Guess they don't realize, a good portion of the globe wants to see the US fail, in Iraq and most other places. Or maybe they do and share a similar agenda ...
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"the world will never love us, they may respect us, they may fear us, but they will never love us"
Teddy Roosevelt
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Hitler would be proud of you two.
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Hitler currently rules Iran, why dont you go provide aid and comfort to him?
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i'm getting bored with references to hitler, i'm gong to start calling people Stalin, yeah, good ol uncle joe, our friend and ally in WW2.
polosi is stalin.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Hitler would be proud of you two.
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Hitler currently rules Iran, why dont you go provide aid and comfort to him?
Mommy! Yeager fed the troll again!
;)
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Aid and comfort? You mean like removing Ahmadadirkadirka's chief enemy? Or replacing that enemy with an elected regime open to Ahmadahakkasherpa's manipulation?
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Originally posted by Eagler
Senate Signals Support for Iraq Timeline (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070327/D8O4P0TO2.html)
Three months after Democrats took power in Congress, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the moment was at hand to "send a message to President Bush that the time has come to find a new way forward in this intractable war."
Seems they do not even know the difference between forward and backward now ... the dems must think retreating in defeat is " a new way foward".
Eagler,
If you're going to fault the Dems for their diction, do the same for the Repubs. It's a bounty of criss-crossing words and images on both sides.
Otherwise, folks may think you're cherry picking.
All the Best,
hap
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I noticed that the same folks that said they support the troops yet didn't add any Vet funding in all the pork. Nothing to add funding to the Veteran's hospitals.