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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Atoon on March 27, 2007, 09:30:00 PM
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All in favor say "AYE"
Those opposed say "NAY"
:D
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nay
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Nay
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*ups lancasters for TT VH*
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Nay.
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NAY!
A map is a place to fight. If you're looking at scenery, you're missing the point.
A PLANE is something to fight WITH.
'Nuff said.
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Point of the matter is.... players make the maps, HTC makes the planes. If HTC is busy making maps, who is to make the planes?
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Planes
Bronk
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[SIZE=14]NAY!!![/SIZE]
Planes before maps
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HELL NO!!! err, nay.
To ask HTC to quit making new planes, and make maps(which we can do ourselves, everyone has access to the map editor) would be just flat out......G A Y .
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just out of nothing more than morbid curiosity can't the members with the appropriate skills make maps?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
just out of nothing more than morbid curiosity can't the members with the appropriate skills make maps?
yep
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nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnay!
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Nay. I know some people complain about "the same old maps". New maps are nice... but as mentioned... it's just the ground we fight over.
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hmmm 2 years ago, around 12 maps
today..... 1 map.... TT islands..... hmmmmm :(
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ya can't fly dirt.
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Originally posted by Anyone
hmmm 2 years ago, around 12 maps
today..... 1 map.... TT islands..... hmmmmm :(
Baltic
Mindnao
Ndiles
Sfma
Smpizza
Mmesa
Beta 2
Yep, I counted them too...that sure looks like 1 map to me! :aok
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1175085417_snore.jpg)
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Jackal1 don't wake him up!!!!....NB's at work :rofl
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Originally posted by NHawk
Baltic
Mindnao
Ndiles
Sfma
Smpizza
Mmesa
Beta 2
Yep, I counted them too...that sure looks like 1 map to me! :aok
Mindnao hasn't been up in an arena in months now. It was up a lot just after the elimination of the big maps but it's been MIA for quite awhile.
If they wont even put all the maps we have into rotation why would anyone bother making new ones?
BTW, Planes before maps.
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wow, for 3 reasons im really surprised:
1) 95% of the planes I see in LWAs are 1of4: spit-P51-la7-N1k, my point being: if this is all anyone flies- why waste time making new planes?
2) I don't know the actual names, but I can only remember 3 maps in current rotation, even if there is more they are all INCREDIBLEY STALE(yesturday both LWAs had the same old tired map, fighting battles in the same old tired spots. I didnt even want to fly.
3) The most players I ever see in EW or MW at ANY time is 30, so it would seem that there cant be too many people looking for plane additions for those arenas.
And as far as maps being made by players, well its nice that players CAN make maps, but it shouldnt be ONLY players making maps, Especially considering how the players betch & whine about whatever they don't like on a new map, what player wants to endure THAT? Just look at the people who have made maps in the past, why do you think they stopped?
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Originally posted by NHawk
Baltic
Mindnao
Ndiles
Sfma
Smpizza
Mmesa
Beta 2
Yep, I counted them too...that sure looks like 1 map to me! :aok
Incorrect.
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Originally posted by Atoon
wow, for 3 reasons im really surprised:
1) 95% of the planes I see in LWAs are 1of4: spit-P51-la7-N1k, my point being: if this is all anyone flies- why waste time making new planes?
The stats prove your're wrong. These 4 planes total about 24% of all planes kills & deaths combined.
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No suprise here. Planes are what it's about. Special Events have great maps, but they are totally worthless when it comes to the 3 country land war in the MA. The MA 3 country land grab really limits what you can do with a map, I mean, how many different ways can you slice a pie up in 3 sections and have it "unique"?
Have a slice of pie or hit one of the events that are occuring throughout the week. Try the AvA. There are So Many Options that on any given day there can be 6 different maps to chose from, in any of the MAs, SEA or AvA.
So, with that choice, what would another map in the MA have over new planes to make it worth the HT staffs time to divert resources there?
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Originally posted by Atoon
95% of the planes I see in LWAs are 1of4: spit-P51-la7-N1k, my point being: if this is all anyone flies- why waste time making new planes?
I've flown or driven 44 different planes and vehicles so far during this camp alone and I still have a few more I want to get into before the camp ends.
I agree some of the maps are a bit stale but continually changing up planes keeps everything a little fresher for me.
More planes.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
NAY!
A map is a place to fight. If you're looking at scenery, you're missing the point.
A PLANE is something to fight WITH.
'Nuff said.
Agreement. NAY If your spending time watching the scenery, then its time for you to leave EW and get a fight!
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Still surprised, but glad to see HTC knows what yall want. I've never been part of the majority in these flight sims:D .
As for those of you stating maps are just scenery to fight over, seems to me like there might a strategic element being lost in your opinion. Meaning that base placement in relation to alts, & mountain ranges really does affect gameplay. Fighting over water or flat terrain is pretty boring, and we have plenty of that.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Incorrect.
Care to be more specific?
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Originally posted by NHawk
Care to be more specific?
Two of those maps haven't been up in three months. If you were paying attention as you said you were, you would have known that. I've seen the same three maps over the last month. I'm on every day.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Nay. I know some people complain about "the same old maps". New maps are nice... but as mentioned... it's just the ground we fight over.
or on.. maps don't really make a lot of difference for flying as a pilot but it's a bigger deference for GV's.
I could care less about new planes myself unless it's a mig 15 :D. I'd rather see the new update!! The new ground terrain looks a lot better in the sample pics and looking like it will make GV battles a lot more fun.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1175085417_snore.jpg)
yo Jackal long time not see. How are you my friend? Hope all is well:D
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Originally posted by Atoon
Fighting over water or flat terrain is pretty boring, and we have plenty of that.
:lol
There are still plenty of people around that did just that...for years...and had a blast doing it. :)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
:lol
There are still plenty of people around that did just that...for years...and had a blast doing it. :)
(http://www.bond.id.au/~gnb/AW/ZERO-HIT.gif)
Looks good to me.
:aok
Bronk
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Heh! Bronk -- awesome. :aok
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Bronk! YaBabee!
Now when people actually start to understand that we LOVED playing that game for the GAME and not EyeCandy, they will understand just how Great this one is.
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Roc, I played that game FOR the game, just like I play THIS game FOR the game.
Your right that its not the eye candy that makes the game, but on the same note, its not the planes that make the game either- Its the players. If AH had the same player base as AW, the gameplay would no doubt be different.
Any opinions on why we cant get new maps?
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Any opinions on why we cant get new maps?
You're assuming we "can't" get new maps, and Haven't gotten new maps. It's not that complicated really. HT has a finite resource to produce a game, they are putting their time into what They feel is best for the game. But I digress, let's consider Maps.
March 21, 2007
Aces High II: Development Update Along with some improved terrain textures for the next version release. Here are some sneak previews of the new Sherman VC Firefly. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
http://www1.hitechcreations.com/images/firefly/ff2.jpg
Did that map the sherman was on look familiar? Didn't to me. Looks like a whole new crop of terrain tools. Now, considering the new "stuff" that they have, would you prefer they spent their time building an outdated and obsolete map with the old terrain tools or should they progress and work on the new stuff?
I can assure you, the Old tools didn't do so well considering Pearl Harbor had to be put off because the editor was being a twit and the terrain gurus were pulling their shared hair out.
Please, this stuff has been discussed over and over, on many threads. Don't assume that just because you might have missed a very lengthy discussion that these guys don't know what they are doing. Maps will come out when they are ready to come out, in the mean time, it seems like Most people want Planes, and just because you don't Like it or understand Why they do, doesn't make it wrong.
Any opinions on why we cant get new maps?
There's my opinion :aok
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
ya can't fly dirt.
ROC, you'r epost made the most sense rationally...but plmmr still has the best quote.
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every day, every week seems to be that dam island map.....oh GOD its getting boring
sure its a good map, but playing it so much just ruins it....
please get more maps
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Two of those maps haven't been up in three months. If you were paying attention as you said you were, you would have known that. I've seen the same three maps over the last month. I'm on every day.
I'm on every day too. The only map listed that I haven't seen in the past month is Mindnao. But as Eagle said that map may be out of rotation.
Baltic <-- Just rotated through
Mindnao
Ndiles <-- In Late War MA Now
Sfma <-- In Late and Mid War MA Now
Smpizza <-- Was in All MAs within past 3 weeks
Mmesa <-- In Early War MA Now
Beta 2 <-- Was in All MAs within past 3 weeks
Beta2, Smpizza and Mmesa can rotate in a matter of hours. Many times I've seen them up in the morning and gone by afternoon. It all depends on how many players are on and how the maps are played.
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Originally posted by Anyone
every day, every week seems to be that dam island map.....oh GOD its getting boring
sure its a good map, but playing it so much just ruins it....
please get more maps
That map (ndisles) lasts the longest because of how it's played.
People love TT/FT on that map and will switch sides to keep it up longer. The only way ndisles will rotate quickly is if TT/FT is removed from the map.
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Have seen all of the maps NHAWK mentioned in the last two weeks, albeit not all in the LW arenas.
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Originally posted by ROC
You're assuming we "can't" get new maps, and Haven't gotten new maps. It's not that complicated really. HT has a finite resource to produce a game, they are putting their time into what They feel is best for the game. But I digress, let's consider Maps.
March 21, 2007
Aces High II: Development Update Along with some improved terrain textures for the next version release. Here are some sneak previews of the new Sherman VC Firefly. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
http://www1.hitechcreations.com/images/firefly/ff2.jpg
Did that map the sherman was on look familiar? Didn't to me. Looks like a whole new crop of terrain tools. Now, considering the new "stuff" that they have, would you prefer they spent their time building an outdated and obsolete map with the old terrain tools or should they progress and work on the new stuff?
I can assure you, the Old tools didn't do so well considering Pearl Harbor had to be put off because the editor was being a twit and the terrain gurus were pulling their shared hair out.
Please, this stuff has been discussed over and over, on many threads. Don't assume that just because you might have missed a very lengthy discussion that these guys don't know what they are doing. Maps will come out when they are ready to come out, in the mean time, it seems like Most people want Planes, and just because you don't Like it or understand Why they do, doesn't make it wrong.
There's my opinion :aok
I'm currently, and have been aware that these are reasons HTC staff will not create maps. IMO "we are to busy working on TC to improve the current game" was an old excuse "2 weeks" ago.
I should have asked if anyone has an opinion as to why the players no longer make maps.
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Originally posted by Atoon
...I should have asked if anyone has an opinion as to why the players no longer make maps.
I can answer that!! :)
There are a few things that affect how often I make one.
1) Current status of the game. In other words, are things on the verge of changing? If yes, I cease work on terrains (as I have now on 3 maps).
2) Time available to make a map. Sometimes I can make a map in a matter of weeks. Other times (such as now) I'm busier than I'd like and can't get the time to make them.
3) Player reaction. When I hear things like "That map doesn't belong in the game" it's discouraging. It's one thing to not like a map, everyone has ones they like and don't like (including me) but to make a statement like that is just plain .
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Originally posted by ROC
Bronk! YaBabee!
Now when people actually start to understand that we LOVED playing that game for the GAME and not EyeCandy, they will understand just how Great this one is.
Yes sir! Air Warrior.. remember it well :)
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Originally posted by NHawk
I can answer that!! :)
There are a few things that affect how often I make one.
1) Current status of the game. In other words, are things on the verge of changing? If yes, I cease work on terrains (as I have now on 3 maps).
2) Time available to make a map. Sometimes I can make a map in a matter of weeks. Other times (such as now) I'm busier than I'd like and can't get the time to make them.
3) Player reaction. When I hear things like "That map doesn't belong in the game" it's discouraging. It's one thing to not like a map, everyone has ones they like and don't like (including me) but to make a statement like that is just plain .
Excellent response NHawk, thnx!
All logical reasons, #3 was the one I ws looking for. Its an issue that needs some attention. I know making maps is not easy. If it was, we'd have tons ofem. I think more people would try to make maps but they dont want to open themselves up to negative comments from all the crybabies.
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Originally posted by Atoon
Excellent response NHawk, thnx!
All logical reasons, #3 was the one I ws looking for. Its an issue that needs some attention. I know making maps is not easy. If it was, we'd have tons ofem. I think more people would try to make maps but they dont want to open themselves up to negative comments from all the crybabies.
Don't get me wrong with #3. I only threw that up as a generality. I'm pretty thick skinned and if it does affect me it's only for a very short time. Overall, reactions "I've" heard have been good. :)
Edit: FYI, if you look at my signature line the bold part was added when 2 people really got under my skin. One for the comment I mentioned and the other for becoming an overnight know-it-all. :)
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id like to see some more maps, but before planes and maps Id like to see strats work, either thru the CT or something new in the MA.
More ships, surface groups, convoys, at sea, howitzers on land, even the ability to be a trooper. Unless the map is something special, with nooks and crannies, ports that look like they are in lagoons/harbours, they all look alike to me.
As far as new planes, the fastest,best gunned will normally be used the most anyways, no matter how many planes you add. Spixteen,La7,P51,Nik, are the majority. Why? Real fast or great guns, or both.
I think some ord loads special to the plane type would entice people to fly other planes. That and ramp up the points while in low end planes to make it more competitive.
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Atoon...
For HTC, the a couple of reasons are the effort being put into getting ToD out the door. Additionally, all new maps have too pass across Skuzzy's virtual desk and I know the hardware problems they had a few months ago really backed him up. I know for a fact that there are numerous maps "in the pipe".
For the player mapmakers, the, for lack of a better word, crap you will catch when you get a map in the rotation can make it seem less than worthwhile to put forth the effort. For me, the changes to the game (the new graphics engine) meant changes to the terrain editing system. Frankly, I found it really hard to motivate myself to try and deal with the changes (old dog...new tricks, etc.). I did, finally, get clued on the map editor. Now, I want to do the same with the tile editor....THAT is where the real fun is. :)
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Remeber when Pizza was released?:noid
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Originally posted by Atoon
Remeber when Pizza was released?:noid
Which Pizza?
The original AKDesert nicknamed Pizza or Smpizza? I remember them both, but I had better remember smpizza since it's mine. That one was a "learning experience". I learned not to use "Swap Fields" without checking the CVs after using it. :D
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I was talking about AKdesert, I liked the map but many didnt( sure the bases were far apart, but it was nice to have terrain w/ elevation), & the creators recieved alot of flak about it.
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Originally posted by Atoon
I was talking about AKdesert, I liked the map but many didnt( sure the bases were far apart, but it was nice to have terrain w/ elevation), & the creators recieved alot of flak about it.
Actually AKDesert was inspiration for Smpizza. I tried duplicating AKDesert but it didn't work out. So I went the next best route with Smpizza.
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How about a compromise? Instead of new maps how about just using the same maps with different terrain like snow or desert with corresponding camo patterns for the planes?
ESU
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Originally posted by truck5co
How about a compromise? Instead of new maps how about just using the same maps with different terrain like snow or desert with corresponding camo patterns for the planes?
ESU
Welp...it would be easier just to make a new map.
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Originally posted by truck5co
How about a compromise? Instead of new maps how about just using the same maps with different terrain like snow or desert with corresponding camo patterns for the planes?
In the game's current state that would require changing 41 terrain textures, changing the texture on just about every building, plus the skins for every plane/gv.
Like NB said. It'd be easier to make a new terrain.
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Thx NH...I didn't feel like typing. :)
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Originally posted by NHawk
Actually AKDesert was inspiration for Smpizza. I tried duplicating AKDesert but it didn't work out. So I went the next best route with Smpizza.
I didn't realize you were the driving force behind Smpizza. Thanks for the effort!:aok
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Originally posted by Max
I didn't realize you were the driving force behind Smpizza. Thanks for the effort!:aok
You're welcome Max.
Hint: You just need to look at the clock in the tower to tell which terrains I've done. (2 are in rotation, 1 is a large map and out of rotation) :)