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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Panzzer on March 28, 2007, 12:08:59 PM
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Axis vs Allies: KARELIA
Finland and Germany against Soviet Union.
ALLIES - Soviet Union
Soviet Union:
Boston III
C-47
HurriIIc
Il-2
La-5FN
M-16, M-3
P-40E
T-34
Yak-9T
AXIS - Finland & Germany:
Brewster (sub FM2)
109E4, F4, G2, G6
110C4-b, 110G-2
C-47
Hurri1
Ju-87
Ju-88
M-16, M-3
Panzer IVH
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Capture requires 20 troops, ack is at .25
Killshooter on
Here's the map (although I'm not yet certain where I'll put the front lines):
(http://personal.inet.fi/peli/panzzer/karelia.jpg)
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Shouldn't this be labeled 'Post Axis vs. Future Axis'?
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Wow that's a big map!
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Originally posted by Trukk
Wow that's a big map!
Looks like a small map just alot of bases. Which might be a problem with puff ack. You get to many bases in a small space and ack setting to high you get super flack.
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I guess it's because of all the detail on it.
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Thanks again Panzer and AvA staff for bringing us beautiful maps and setups. I am concerned about the omission of object respawn time, however. In the last two maps, field ack regenerates instantly.:huh Although, I have been told this is the intentional setup, I find it hard to believe.:confused:
Yet, there we have it, "base captures 20 troops" ..... are they bullet proof?:eek: As the CO for 1st SSF ~Devil Rays~, I want this explained to me so that I have it straight when attempting to organize squad operations. How is it that we are supposed to capture bases? (Real slowly, please). :noid
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I think 30 T34/76's and 4 C-47's should do.
WE NEED TO RECRUIT FASTER!!!!:O
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Base capture is abused thus leading to us to make it next to impossible at time to do it. If left unchecked score seeking milk runners will capture the entire map for the reset. This then leaves the arena porked until it can be reset by a staffer. Staffers are not always available to fix the problem in a timely manner. Usually Murphys law sets in and the arena will remained unplayable for several hours or even a day.
Base capture can have a place in the AvA with out a doubt and used as a planned mission can lead to some good action. That being said the score seekers can smell out when the settings are prime for a milkfest and will milk away like a swarm of locusts until the arena is ruined for those who come there to actually fight.
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slash is a buttmuncher:p :rofl :aok
how ya doing slash
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Originally posted by Slash27
Base capture is abused thus leading to us to make it next to impossible at time to do it. If left unchecked score seeking milk runners will capture the entire map for the reset.
Thank you Slash for your explanation.:aok Now, go and take a look at who is in the Axis Versus Arena right now. 1 maybe 2 people. Does this tell you something? :(
I must insist that if this IS your case, you have found a much too simple solution for one problem and have created others. I really like what I see as huge potential for this arena. It has been dumbed down to an elementary school playground, complete with playground rules. (If anyone abuses his priveliges, priveliges of all will be lost):(
Too often a few individuals take away from the intentions of the masses. Who is to blame? If individuals do not have social skills that is sad for them. If we are to be held accountable for their deeds, that is sad for all of us.
Of course, no one has to agree with me. I am only one voice, but one that is more than just a little disgusted with the way MY fun is being sucked away.
:(
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Setup is now done, capture requires 20 troops (2 M3's or 2 C47's), downtimes are set at AH default (not sure whether those are MA values?). If something's wrong, let me know.
Allies - bishops
Axis - knights
Enjoy!
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Originally posted by Larry
slash is a buttmuncher:p :rofl :aok
how ya doing slash
Heya TK, we were just talking about you. It was all good I swear.:D
Good to see you
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Originally posted by Chilli
Thank you Slash for your explanation.:aok Now, go and take a look at who is in the Axis Versus Arena right now. 1 maybe 2 people. Does this tell you something? :(
Yes, its early and numbers are much lower than the evenings.
I must insist that if this IS your case, you have found a much too simple solution for one problem and have created others. I really like what I see as huge potential for this arena. It has been dumbed down to an elementary school playground, complete with playground rules. (If anyone abuses his priveliges, priveliges of all will be lost):(
Too often a few individuals take away from the intentions of the masses. Who is to blame? If individuals do not have social skills that is sad for them. If we are to be held accountable for their deeds, that is sad for all of us.
Sucks doesnt it? But what is your solution? The arena can not be monitored 24/7 by the staff. Its not a situation like in the SEA where things ran by the rules and vilotors are delt with almost instantly so as not to take away from the masses enjoyment. Time and time and time again, people have insisted on capturing the entire map, porking HQs, setting fleets on courses to take them out of action for hours, etc,ect. I think any player suffering for others disrespect and apathy towards others is crap and takes away from the arena. But again, whats the solution?
Of course, no one has to agree with me. I am only one voice, but one that is more than just a little disgusted with the way MY fun is being sucked away.
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Dont think your frustration has not been felt by others in the AvA including those on the staff. We are players first. But let me ask you this Chilli, is it the base taking settings only thats bothering you or the stance on base taking from the staff? If you want to take undefended bases with settings like the MA you are barking up the wrong tree.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Heya TK, we were just talking about you. It was all good I swear.:D
Good to see you
Sheesh Slash your nose just got longer.:confused:
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You can take bases in AVA with a well coordinated attack and teamwork. Not much interested in it though as those red guys have lousy booze and ugly sheep :D
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Originally posted by Shifty
Sheesh Slash your nose just got longer.:confused:
ssshhh!!!:furious
:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Dont think your frustration has not been felt by others in the AvA including those on the staff. We are players first. But let me ask you this Chilli, is it the base taking settings only thats bothering you or the stance on base taking from the staff? If you want to take undefended bases with settings like the MA you are barking up the wrong tree.
My solution?:confused: I only offer my opinion. That opinion is to give a somewhat reasonable downtime on objects (default times should be adequate - but that is where someone feels they need to exert some control). :cool: What is bothering me, is that no one is on to "dogfight" and 30 second downtimes make it a futile journey to up any vehicle (in hopes of drawing the attention of a possible combatant).:mad:
Look, I am available most days EST while most of you are at work and might see a different community. If you would like to bring me into your area of management, I would welcome the responsibility.:p
To make a guess as to what can be done, I would need more information.:noid I don't need the secret to Windows Vista or Hitech's password for his laptop. (The location of the keys to his Porche would be cool:aok).
I really, don't want to be too abrasive on BBS. If I am, it is a sign of my frustration. I would welcome a further discussion away from BBS, feel free to PM me. :D
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Just my opinon................
A few years ago the AVA or CT as it was called then, had a bigger following. You could usually find 20 or so on a week night, with as many as 50 or more during the peak Tuesday/ Thursday night squad meets.
The difference then and now?
There were bases to capture. This isnt a slap at the staff, just an observation. I understand arena porking is a problem with no immeiate fix.
However the AVA seems to become the home to the cult of the individual fight. It had more people when there were more options. Bases that could be taken, buff missions that meant something, GV battles ect. There was a time when some actually complained because of the squadrons that populated the arena were too dominate. Now there never seems to be enough people in at one time to support even a small squadron. When theres a few people in AVA it's as fun as it ever was, but it's hard to find anybody in the arena.
I appreciate all you staffers try to do to get the numbers up. It seems to me like the more you devote the AVA to the pure dogfight the less people use it. I thought the day would never come when I would prefer the MA to the AVA, but the lack of people in the arena has done just that for me anyway.
Again just an opinon, no criticism intended.
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I want to put those Panzerkampfwagens and T34/76's to use!
:D
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Shifty, the bases are capturable now, just require double the troops. Didn't seem to bother the people capturing the bases while we were having a furball over the area today. (edit: 20 of us Finns furballing over some area while one of the bases underneath was captured... speak about target fixation ;))
, say hi to your son.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Shifty, the bases are capturable now, just require double the troops. Didn't seem to bother the people capturing the bases while we were having a furball over the area today. (edit: 20 of us Finns furballing over some area while one of the bases underneath was captured... speak about target fixation ;))
, say hi to your son.
I think that's a good step upping the troop requirements.
I'll tell Thomas you said hello, I'm hoping to have him fighting with us here before too long. :aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
Just my opinon................
A few years ago the AVA or CT as it was called then, had a bigger following. You could usually find 20 or so on a week night, with as many as 50 or more during the peak Tuesday/ Thursday night squad meets.
The difference then and now?
There were bases to capture. This isnt a slap at the staff, just an observation. I understand arena porking is a problem with no immeiate fix.
However the AVA seems to become the home to the cult of the individual fight. It had more people when there were more options. Bases that could be taken, buff missions that meant something, GV battles ect. There was a time when some actually complained because of the squadrons that populated the arena were too dominate. Now there never seems to be enough people in at one time to support even a small squadron. When theres a few people in AVA it's as fun as it ever was, but it's hard to find anybody in the arena.
I appreciate all you staffers try to do to get the numbers up. It seems to me like the more you devote the AVA to the pure dogfight the less people use it. I thought the day would never come when I would prefer the MA to the AVA, but the lack of people in the arena has done just that for me anyway.
Again just an opinon, no criticism intended.
Well spoken and although I am not certain that base capture is the key. I agree with everything you said. The foundation for the AvA is most definitely the historical based squadrons. Their departure is what has brought the AvA to the ghost town that it has become. For the AvA to prosper, we have to get them back. I have my opinions and in the past have been quite vocal about them, so no need to go into much detail about what I think would work. But I do know that an arena setting isn't going to be the fix. It is the community that existed in the CT that made it strong. Catering to the "individual fight", imo is just a by product of the decomposition of the community. My hope is things like this upcoming HARM mission, will help bring the squads back. Not just on Sunday nights but all week long.
I have to stop there, because that is all that the judge allows me to post per day on the AvA forum. :aok
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Originally posted by TheBug
But I do know that an arena setting isn't going to be the fix.
No one said it was.
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Originally posted by Slash27
No one said it was.
Was referring to whether or not base capture was on having a great impact upon the population of the arena. Along those lines I believe a couple have.
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Originally posted by TheBug
Was referring to whether or not base capture was on having a great impact upon the population of the arena. Along those lines I believe a couple have.
From our end it was not intended as a fix I should have said..
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Originally posted by Slash27
From our end it was not intended as a fix I should have said..
Rgr that! Sorry didn't mean to imply that I thought the Staff intended that as a fix, which I of course don't think you did. Was thinking doesn't matter which way you set it, it won't have an impact upon the AvA's population. But that is purely just my opinion. But I can very much see how the elimination of base capture can make arena maintenance a bit easier. Heaven knows we ain't short of yahoos in this game.
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They are hard at work resetting the map as we speak.
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:aok Relieved to see arena settings for "downtime" have been adjusted.
So, much discussion about gameplay, I didn't get to give enough praise for the excellent map. It was actually fun looking for the ack guns hidden in the bunkers. If you haven't seen this map you have to check it out:D
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I just spent 20 minutes in a freakin 109 lining up for the furball tailing storch and republic and got HCL
AUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Nite all :mad:
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Arena has been reset for new tour, I reloaded the settings, let me know if something's gone totally wrong.