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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eskimo2 on March 29, 2007, 02:58:40 PM
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Note: This is not a plane lobby thread! There are plenty of those.
I was tempted to post the exit poll results from the first 100 replies in the “Round 1 Exit Poll” thread , but didn’t want to break my own “No talk, just state what you voted for after you have actually voted” rule. So here’s a thread just for the results and predictions based on the results. Please feel free to recount my results. Also feel free to post tallies after every 50 thread replies (thread replies, not necessarily actual votes).
P-39 . . . . . . . . . 20
Brewster Buffalo . 3
Me 410 . . . . . . . 13
He 111 . . . . . . . 10
B-25 . . . . . . . . . 4
Pe-2 or Tu-2 . . . 9
Yak 3 . . . . . . . . 3
G.55 . . . . . . . . . 15
Japanese fighter . 5
A-26 . . . . . . . . . 11
The P-39 has a good lead, followed by the G.55 and the Me 410. The questions are, once planes are eliminated:
Will those who voted for bombers that were dropped vote for other bombers in future rounds?
Will those who voted for late war uber/performance fighters that were dropped vote for other late war uber/performance fighters in future rounds?
Will those who voted for planes based on scenario/historical needs that were dropped vote for other planes that will also fit scenario/historical needs in future rounds?
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Unfortunately, that means very little... Out of a 5000-7000 player population, how many replied on the forum? :t
Not a good sample, methinks.
Interesting to read, but can't tell the real pattern. :aok
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Note: if your posts per page count is set to view 50 posts per page, these results only represent the first 2 pages. Posts per page set to 25: = 4 pages, etc. Next tally at 150 replies (by anyone).
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Originally posted by Krusty
Unfortunately, that means very little... Out of a 5000-7000 player population, how many replied on the forum? :t
Not a good sample, methinks.
Interesting to read, but can't tell the real pattern. :aok
Well, it is still early. However, based on the results so far I’d say the Buffalo, B-25, Yak-3 and Japanese fighter stand a poor chance of even making it to Round 3. The P-39, G.55 and M3 410 stand a good chance of making it to round 3; I’d even bet that one of them will win.
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I imagine we can expect some official results from Pyro or HTC in the next 24-48 hrs.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I imagine we can expect some official results from Pyro or HTC in the next 24-48 hrs.
Finally!! It won't be 2-weeks!! :D
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Personally I don't see the point of even doing the poll.
Put a single American fighter on the poll and the result is a forgone conclusion. Only my having multiple American fighters or none would the issue be in doubt. And if there were multiple US fighters, it would only be between the US fighters, all other aircraft would be irrelevant .
That is my guess anyways.
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The G.55 and Me 410 are putting up a good show and it is still very early.
The P39, however, does fill lots of niches and was widely produced. It is also a very unique airplane; tricycle gear, mid engine, bug gun, nasty flat spin, side door. It can be plugged into a lot of scenarios and is early war. It’s been one of my favorites for a long time.
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This just in!
Two week delay on results in order to stuff the ballot boxes.
Have to agree that the poll here will mean nothing in overall popular vote.
Many more players, many with far less knowledge about the planes listed on the MoTD pop up when entering the game, will probably just pick what they recognize from what they've heard of or seen in a movie once. The voting page does not have the benefit of links to explain what each plane really is or can do. I'm not convinced the masses have enough to make an INFORMED vote.
Simple name recognition will probably skew some numbers for the He-111 and B-25. Then there will be the number of American players simply voting for American planes they know about: skew results toward the B-25 and P-39 (not that many know the 'Vader or Buffalo).
Lack of knowledge will hurt the G.55, Me 410, and A-26 in online vote numbers. The non-specific categories for "Japanese fighters" and Russian bombers" may hurt their chances..... plus I doubt a bomber will win popular vote, unless there is some rebellion in later votes.
Will Niki fans simply vote for a Japanese fighter hoping to get an even more heavily cannon-armed plane? Will some players vote for the Me 410 because that number is much higher than 262, 111, 190, 109, 234, 110, 87, and 88 are? Will lack of familiarity, or knowledge that it is an "only" an Italian plane, doom the G.55 in the first round?
From the numbers posted:
B-25 looks low from what online numbers probably are, 2 Finns voted for the Buffalo (one twice under shade account), 410 numbers higher than I expected so far.
My prediction on what gets cut in first round of online popular vote:
Brewster Buffalo (not a prayer)
G.55 (general lack of information by proles may kill this one, HOPE NOT, my second choice!!)
Yak 3 .(lower number than Yak 9....must be bad right?)
Pe-2 or Tu-2 (non-American bombers most not very familiar with)
Leaving:
P-39 .
Me 410
He 111
B-25
Japanese fighter
A-26
After that, I think it will come down to online lobbying to pull numbers for the weekend vote, and those that get cut after that. The next two cut is a real toss up. Will have a better idea when I see the first cuts.
Now, does HTC have an electoral college going here we don't know about? Or is this going to be a straight popular vote? Maybe the online vote (House of Representatives?) should have been accompanied by a forum vote (Senate?) with differences worked out in committee. That would take...what...two weeks?
Money is still on P-39...my third, maybe forth, choice.
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I downloaded the newest version of AHII just to vote, I haven’t played in over a year. Has there been many in-game discussions about the plane choices and voting?
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Several large squads I know, have former AW guys who loved the A-26 over there, it'll remain a contender near the end. I'd like to have every plane on the list, especially the A-26 and G.55 but events come first in my book so I'm with the P-39 until the end. It's a fair, down in the weeds furballer as well so it will see use in all the MAs.
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I live with an old man who recorded these hours:
(http://www.wwiirt.com/usaaf/william_wilsterman/nov44_files/image001.jpg)
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Statistically that could be a good representation of the population. It is a random sample with a sample size larger than 30 which makes it an acceptable sample. However it would be a better representation of the BBs population. You would have to assume that the AH BBs population is representative of the AH population for it to work.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Statistically that could be a good representation of the population. It is a random sample with a sample size larger than 30 which makes it an acceptable sample. However it would be a better representation of the BBs population. You would have to assume that the AH BBs population is representative of the AH population for it to work.
On average, I think the AH BB's population is better informed about WWII aircraft that the general AH player population, just due to exposure to certain BB member's posts if nothing else.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Statistically that could be a good representation of the population. It is a random sample with a sample size larger than 30 which makes it an acceptable sample. However it would be a better representation of the BBs population. You would have to assume that the AH BBs population is representative of the AH population for it to work.
Yea, I think tedrbr makes a valid point that the BBS crowd may be somewhat more educated on plane types...
Still, I wouldn't expect the Buffalo to surge ahead in the real poll/vote.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Still, I wouldn't expect the Buffalo to surge ahead in the real poll/vote.
No, but the B-25's might...
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I don't think the ever-so-popular B-25 will be eliminated in the first round, as you suggest. It's just too popular not to survive to round 2.
Also, Pyro said he won't release the info between rounds, so as not to influence the voting.
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Personally While I wont be foring for it
I think the P39 is going to win overall
Second will probably be either the B25 or 410
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If the "new" players check the wiki links..
The A-26 will win.
2 reasons.
1. A lot newbies end up in buffs(as there main ride) till they become comfortable/proficient in a fighter.
2. Fastest, heaviest gunned, and I believe heaviest payload buff in that list.
That there is a winning combo. I will not be surprised if it wins.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Krusty
I don't think the ever-so-popular B-25 will be eliminated in the first round, as you suggest. It's just too popular not to survive to round 2.
Also, Pyro said he won't release the info between rounds, so as not to influence the voting.
Oh, I expect name recognition in popular poll to carry the B-25 to final 4. Pyro may not be releasing info, but we'll be seeing which 4 planes get cut in the first round.
Those first 4 out will tell a lot about the general online player population that are voting. For example: If G.55, which has a decently large, informed following in the forums, gets cut in first round will mean that most players are uninformed, unmitigated, idiot lemmings, and final selection will be lame.
It will be the P-39.
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Perhaps it will be as you say.
I'm holding out for something non-P-39, but if that *is* what we get, so be it!
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Oh, I expect name recognition in popular poll to carry the B-25 to final 4. Pyro may not be releasing info, but we'll be seeing which 4 planes get cut in the first round.
Those first 4 out will tell a lot about the general online player population that are voting. For example: If G.55, which has a decently large, informed following in the forums, gets cut in first round will mean that most players are uninformed, unmitigated, idiot lemmings, and final selection will be lame.
It will be the P-39.
So what are you saying because a person if fond of a particular AC he's an "idiot lemming"?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
If the "new" players check the wiki links..
The A-26 will win.
2 reasons.
1. A lot newbies end up in buffs(as there main ride) till they become comfortable/proficient in a fighter.
2. Fastest, heaviest gunned, and I believe heaviest payload in that list.
That there is a winning combo. I will not be surprised if it wins.
Bronk
No links in the MoTD pop up voting clipboard though. Not with My game at any rate. No descriptions of the planes. Most players not in these boards. They log in, vote window pops up, they pick what they recognize from the list...... something they saw in a movie once.
First round is an uninformed popular vote at best; which is why I think G.55 will be one of those cut in first round. Maybe some of those players will look at the planes a little closer by the second vote. Maybe.
I'd be surprised if ANY bomber wins a popular vote. It will be an American fighter, the P-39. My vote was Invader, but I've lobbied for that for a while now on the grounds buff drivers need another perk ride. G.55 would have been second choice. Yak or P-39 third. Pe-2, Tu-2, and Me-410.... any would be nice too, but in a popular online vote? No prayer.... especially up against name recognition of B-25 and He-111.
Final Four will be P-39, He-111, B-25, and one other (which I'm not prepared to predict now).
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If G.55, which has a decently large, informed following in the forums, gets cut in first round will mean that most players are uninformed, unmitigated, idiot lemmings, and final selection will be lame.
Originally posted by tedrbr
My vote was Invader, but I've lobbied for that for a while now on the grounds buff drivers need another perk ride.
I would say the first part was uncalled for, but the second part does kind of make it funny.
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Originally posted by Pyro
I would say the first part was uncalled for, but the second part does kind of make it funny.
Sorry Pyro. My apologies.
But the sentiment behind it remains: I fear the majority of the players of AHII, those that don't participate in the forums, or have a historical knowledge of WWII planes, won't now enough about the listed planes to make an informed decision.
It will come down to an uninformed popular vote based on name recognition.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Well, it is still early. However, based on the results so far I’d say the Buffalo, B-25, Yak-3 and Japanese fighter stand a poor chance of even making it to Round 3. The P-39, G.55 and M3 410 stand a good chance of making it to round 3; I’d even bet that one of them will win.
Besides, you can use Krusty Math for any irregularities.
ack-ack
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While I would agree that the average Main arena player is somewhat less informed on plane types than the average BBS poster, I wouldn’t say that they are all clueless. I’d bet that there is a leaning bell shaped curve in each group; the BBS curve is probably leaning a bit more toward the informed. I’m sure that there are many silent folks who know much more than the vast majority of us. Loud does not equal bright.
I would also say that there is some merit to only recognizing well known planes; people play Aces High partially to dive into history. What happened is more important than what could have happened. History was written about the planes that were there, not the ones that weren’t. The Shinden would be pretty cool and uber; but talk about being too uber, too late, too few and just not mattering…
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I hope your right about the number of informed players in the war arenas, eskimo2, and I'm wrong. Maybe monitoring the Help Channel in Arenas all this time has me jaded.
The first four planes that are cut will tell volumes though.
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Well, just look at how diversified the opinions and votes of BBS posters has been. We consider ourselves “informed”, but all want a variety of planes. There are many good, valid reasons to want any plane on the list.
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I almost voted for the A-26, but I think it's in the same realm as the G55. Sure it may be neat, but it didn't really contribute.
I voted yak because Yaks are uber, and I figured the B-25 and P-39 were going to get enough votes of their own accord. I expect one of those 2 to win, but I won't be terribly upset regardless. I just wasn't going to support a few planes that I wasn't interested in at all, and hoped enough spare Yak votes would push the undesirables out of the running early.
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Originally posted by Pyro
I would say the first part was uncalled for, but the second part does kind of make it funny.
:lol I think he missed the irony.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I almost voted for the A-26, but I think it's in the same realm as the G55. Sure it may be neat, but it didn't really contribute.
I voted yak because Yaks are uber, and I figured the B-25 and P-39 were going to get enough votes of their own accord. I expect one of those 2 to win, but I won't be terribly upset regardless. I just wasn't going to support a few planes that I wasn't interested in at all, and hoped enough spare Yak votes would push the undesirables out of the running early.
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Invaders did contribute, but they did not get any big or sexy missions.
Douglas XA-26 prototype first flew July 10, 1942, and saw military service from August 1943 (initial deliveries to USAAF) until final retirement from Air Guard in 1972. IIRC, the December 1943 date was when they deployed the first 30 planes forward to ETO and PTO for evaluation by front line units.
They began arriving in England in September 1944 for assignment to the 9th Air Force and entered combat two months later on Nov. 19, 1944. Invaders began operations in the Pacific Theater in January 1945. Invaders saw combat for 7 months in the European Theater, and 8 months in the Pacific Theater. (That pretty much covers much of the Late War Arena time frame, No?) The Invaders were to replace the A-20's, B-26's, and B-25's (and did after the war).
2,448 to 2,502 Aircraft were built (sources vary, and may or may not include prototypes).
By the end of WWII, 48 squadrons of A-26's were in operation among the Fifth(Far East Air Force), Seventh (WPTO), Ninth(ETO), and Twelfth (MTO) Air Forces, at the very least. This included the 8th and 13th in the 3rd Bomb Group (Light) "Grim Reapers"; the 386th's 554th Bomb Squadron; and the 319th Group after assigned to the 7th AF at Okinawa.
Typical mission target: Communications centers. Rails and rail yards. Marshalling centers. Supply centers. Convoy Routes. More tactical than strategic targets. No big sexy raids.
Typical mission profile: Every Six A-26's in a mission included 1 - A-26C pathfinder and 5 - A-26B heavy gun versions. The A-26C had the norden bombsite and clear nose. Other five dropped ord with the lead plane. After this level bombing portion of the mission was done, the Invaders would drop to the deck and search for targets of opportunity to strafe with all those .50's, and often rockets. Even the A-26C had six .50's in the wings and 2 in the nose for 8 forward firing .50's. And they did this for 7 to 8 months of the war in the PTO and ETO.
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Only thing that concerns me about Yak 3 is it had shorter legs than the 9. Lighter weight, less fuel, ... a great air superiority fighter, as compared to the interceptor and ground attack ones we have now, but with fuel in war arenas set at x2, very short legged little plane. Plus, limited ammo load of Yaks will drive voters away, I'm betting.
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Base defense is great. Not only do the bad guys come to you, but you don't even have to fly very far. This helps negate the effects of low range fighters, and when the action isn't frantic, you can get some nice ranges with the various throttle settings.
I'm not against the A-26 at all, I'm just not for it at this time. When we talk about contributions, and length of service, and holes in the planesets, SEA/FSO event planes, etc, I think we should get the more prevalent types first. I'm all for the A-26, but only when we've got all the stuff that came before it, or was used on more fronts, or for significantly longer periods, etc. I'd personally like to see it in the game, but I have to admit there are a lot more relevant planes missing, that could also be put to good use in special events, and still find regular roles in the MAs. That's how I look at it anyway.
And while I'd love to see a few of the planes on the list make it, I know we're missing the sort of things which they preyed upon, and having to blast a spawn point instead of tearing up a depot, train station, etc just takes some of the fun out of it.
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Ted, where do you find info about A26s in combat in the Pacific for 7-8 months.
I can only find mention of their first mission with the 5th AF on July 12, 1945 when the Grim Reapers flew a mission with 9 A26s. That's less then a month before the war is over.
First mission for the ETO Invaders was November 17, 1944 which give you about 6 months in the ETO but that was not a big batch of 26s all at once as the Groups were converting to them. This was 3 other groups that followed the 416th that was first into action. 386th, 391st and 409th were the others that converted after this.
I'm not anti A26, but I just don't see it as the most logical choice for AH at this time.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ted, where do you find info about A26s in combat in the Pacific for 7-8 months. I can only find mention of their first mission with the 5th AF on July 12, 1945 when the Grim Reapers flew a mission with 9 A26s. That's less then a month before the war is over.
That was the 5ths first combat mission over Japan with A-26's. 5th did very first combat evals of any A-26 in mid-1944. Mid July 1945 was also about the time the 7th AF started operating their A-26's over Japan. Invaders did not operate over Japan itself in the PTO until the last month.
The very first combat evals, with limited numbers began mid-1944:
Four early production aircraft were rushed to the Fifth Air Force during mid-1944 for combat testing with the 13th Bombardment Squadron, 3rd Bombardment Group, in New Guinea. The pilots flying the aircraft (A-26B-5-DLs) really liked the A26's high speed and response to throttle settings but when the under wing .50caliber gun packs were added, they were a bit dismayed by a 25 mph drop in speed due to the extra drag.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3901/is_200208/ai_n9104030/pg_6 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3901/is_200208/ai_n9104030/pg_6)
Another similar source quoted:
The first Invaders to see combat were A-26Bs flying low-level attack missions in New Guinea in the spring of 1944 (see John Henebry's oral history in this issue). Their crews complained of poor visibility, especially to the sides from the cockpit and a lack of forward firepower for ground attack and strafing missions. The original A-26 cockpit had a flattened top with only one forward-hinged upward opening hatch on the right side, from which quick escape was difficult for the pilot. A new cockpit with outward hinged clear "clamshell" openings was quickly developed, which also improved the pilot's visibility.
These were very limited numbers in mid-1944, but more models were pushed forward. Bomber groups in Europe being rotated to PTO were also being converted to A-26's during this time. Most A-26's seem to be getting sent to ETO more than the PTO, as there were far more reports in early 1945 of A-26's in ETO than PTO during this time.
Summarizing the 9th Air Force experience with 18 A-26s sent to the UK in the summer of 1944, and used in eight combat missions, the AAF said it was considered a very effective medium bomber with a larger load than the A-20 airplane, greater range than either the A-20 or Martin B-26 airplanes, with superior single-engine performance. Its speed advantage, flying characteristics, maneuverability, and ease of maintaining formation permitted longer missions with less crew fatigue. On the missions flown, gasoline consumption was lower and radius of action was greater than had been expected.
http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm (http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm)
One of my sources was the USAAF chronology listed here:
http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/ (http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/)
It takes some digging and reading though.
They are given on a day and month report in brief as below.
SUNDAY, 19 NOVEMBER 1944
EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)
TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): 450+ A-20s, A-26s, and B-26s bomb
storage depots, bridge, junction, ordnance depots, and defended positions in
or near 10 German towns and cities; fighters escort the bombers, carry out
patrols, and fly armed reconnaissance hitting rail facilities and other
targets over W German areas including Euskirchen, Trier, Saarbrucken, Julich,
and Cologne; the IX, XIX, and XXIX Tactical Air Commands support the US VII,
XII, XIX, and XX Corps areas E of Aachen and near Hurtgen, Germany, between
Metz, France and Saarlautern, Germany and near Sarreguemines, France. In
Belgium, HQ 366th Fighter Group moves from Couvron Airfield at Laon, France
to Assche.
Production block numbers can be found here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/douga26.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/douga26.html)
All block numbers that removed the dorsal barbette for an additional fuel cell were intended to be shipped to the PTO.
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OK so we're talking the limited combat evals done, not widespread combat use.
The way it was first presented seemed to indicate large numbers of A26s in combat in the PTO and ETO, when in fact that just isn't true.
Kenney's guys preferred the A20 and B25 because of the poor visibility in the combat evals they did of the A26. Jock Henebry, that you mention had a ton of combat ops in 25s and 20s.
Some of Henebry's missions to Rabaul in 3rd Attack B25s are amazing to read.
I understand that the A26 was a real hot rod, and would be a good MA LW performer, but I think HTC needs to look at overall use in all aspects of the game and again I believe the B25 fits the role a great deal better.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I'm not anti A26, but I just don't see it as the most logical choice for AH at this time.
* Buff drivers only have 1 perk ride, the Arado, which is not all that good.
* Some Buff drivers have been accused of adopting "bomb and bail" tactics, since, hey, don't need buff perks for anything really. Why land it?
* A-26 Invader about the best perk-worthy bomber that could reasonably be added to the game.
* A-26 Invader can operate as a level medium bomber. Penetration bomber. CAS Attack plane. Bomber Destroyer. Even a Heavy fighter by a good pilot. A multi-role plane addition.
* 9/10ths+ of players found in LW arenas. Majority gravitate toward ENY 5 planes. Large percentage of players go for late war, high performance rides.
* A-26 Invader a high performance bomber/attack plane, may even draw a few fighter pilots to try bombers on occassion.
* A-26 would do well in strafing roles in-game; vs GV's, deacking fields and town, dropping towns, and vulching fields.
It is a versatile platform that many bomber and attack plane pilots could find a fun use for in the LW arenas, and even LW SEA event senerios. It had a variety of ordnance options; various bombs, rockets, drop tanks, many .50's, torpedoes.
Did it have the effect on WWII as the B-25 or Pe-2? Nope. But, AHII is far more tactical sim than a historical recreation sim game.
If AvA, EW, MW, or senerios had larger numbers, I might see a EW or MW plane being a "logical choice", but as they are the severe minority, I don't see the logic in adding a plane tailored for low population areas of the game, or historical nich areas.
Also, Invader is the *only* American plane I push for --- perk buff ride --- otherwise, the effort should be to add to other country plane sets. Still figure the P-39 will get the vote though.
B-25 is simply a earlier bomber sitting between the current B-26 and B-24 in ordnance loads, performance, speeds, climb rates, and abilities. A few tried 75mm's for anti-shipping, which ruined airframes after 20 shots or so. How does adding a another EW level bomber between the B-26 and B-24 add much to the game? A couple senerios? I'd rather see Russian or German bombers added to help plane sets before another American un-perkable bomber. Moot point, as a bomber will not win a popular vote for AH-II addition.
The complaints about A-26 visibility resulted in canopy change by the block 45's or 50's. Field use of 75mm (Block 5's all shipped with 75mm nose cannon in A-26's) led to change to 8-pack of .50's in the nose of A-26, as they proved more effective in anti-shipping role with API rounds.
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I fear the majority of the players of AHII, those that don't participate in the forums, or have a historical knowledge of WWII planes, won't know enough about the listed planes to make an informed decision.
I like to refer to those people as the 'smart ones' who fly for fun. :aok
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The P-39, G.55 and M3 410 stand a good chance of making it to round 3; I’d even bet that one of them will win.
Lol, I wish! But we alll know that one of them will be the winner.... and we all know what plane is that.... :(
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Originally posted by Karnak
Personally I don't see the point of even doing the poll.
Put a single American fighter on the poll and the result is a forgone conclusion. Only my having multiple American fighters or none would the issue be in doubt. And if there were multiple US fighters, it would only be between the US fighters, all other aircraft would be irrelevant .
That is my guess anyways.
I dont think thats accurate at all, in fact the only bias the statement shows is yours.......
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Originally posted by tedrbr
It will come down to an uninformed popular vote based on name recognition.
Are you talking about aircraft or politics?
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Poll results so far today as of 8:15
P-39 22
G.55 18
A-26 16
me-410 14
He-111 11
TU-2/Pe-2 10
B-25 9
Yak3 6
Japan 5
Brewster 4
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Official results are up, check Pyro's new thread.
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Final polling after 122 posts total:
P-39 . . . . . . . . . 22
Brewster Buffalo . 4
Me 410 . . . . . . . 14
He 111 . . . . . . . 11
B-25 . . . . . . . . . 8
Pe-2 or Tu-2 . . . 10
Yak 3 . . . . . . . . 6
G.55 . . . . . . . . . 18
Japanese fighter . 5
A-26 . . . . . . . . . 16
Not so accurate of a poll since the second highest in the poll was dropped after the real vote…
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Poll results so far today as of 8:15
P-39 22
G.55 18
A-26 16
me-410 14
He-111 11
TU-2/Pe-2 10
B-25 9
Yak3 6
Japan 5
Brewster 4
Doh! I should have read first.