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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stephen on March 29, 2007, 03:59:36 PM
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hows about giving all vehicles an option to use binocs with period optics....A sort of telesopic view set on one ammount of zoom and harnessd to the mouse? {from the commanders exterior position}
keeping the views on vehicles similar is a good thing I understand, but this might one day be the only game on my system...so beefing up the little things will account for alot of positive numbers in the MA I think,,,mabey even a ground war oriented Arena.
Food for thought.....this game is going places.
( thought of it in 8 player while i was in the commanders exterior view in a T34)
:aok
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I am pretty sure that a tank commander wont be using a pair of hand-held binoculars especially in motion since the vibration of the vehicle would jiggle the the thing to much to see clearly yet periscopes (Which is what many tanks do have) could be looked into
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I'm not sure what you're asking for. You can already use zoom from that position. What am i missing here?
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He means binocular-level field of vision.
Willfly, WWII tanks didn't shake sitting still, did they?
Which ones had periscopes?
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Originally posted by moot
He means binocular-level field of vision.
Willfly, WWII tanks didn't shake sitting still, did they?
Which ones had periscopes?
They might have vibrated, and I think the T-34 had some type of periscope sights on tope. Not sure though.
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It wouldn't rule out a crewmember or commander using binoculars from the top of the tank.. the platform shaking making binoculars hard to exploit is not a good reason to not allow binoculars.
Periscopes would be an advantage to those tanks that had them, if we had the crew/pilot vulnerable while using the naked positions.. but we don't.
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we allready have poor man binocs on german tanks, in the form of a machine gun we can man, and use to look around....
the t34 does not have this, so a slow methodical search while at a halt is really quite hard.....
we have zoom but no way to look around smoothly....
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Originally posted by stephen
we allready have poor man binocs on german tanks, in the form of a machine gun we can man, and use to look around....
the t34 does not have this, so a slow methodical search while at a halt is really quite hard.....
we have zoom but no way to look around smoothly....
The T-34 has a commander position atop the turret (position 3, same as the pintle gun in a German tank).
Zoom ~ 1/2-2/3 full zoom (Z to zoom, [ and ] to zoom in or out) and you gain a full field of view while looking around (keys on num pad).
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No it doesnt, germans have a gun that moves slowly, mapped to the stick, the russian cupola view does not, it is mapped to view keys and a snap view,
im just saying map the view to the stick is all/.......................:aok
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Originally posted by stephen
No it doesnt, germans have a gun that moves slowly, mapped to the stick, the russian cupola view does not, it is mapped to view keys and a snap view,
im just saying map the view to the stick is all/.......................:aok
I'm still missing something. Why does it have to turn when you can look around using your view keys?
If you don't like snap view switch to pan view.
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the zooming options take the place of binocs.
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yeah ok, so we are cheating a bit by having zoom, in the end what would please me is to have the F3(commanders exterior view) hat switch view in the t34 changed to the flight stick.
So the direction the tank turns is via yaw movement of the stick, and the commanders view is controld by the stick, simple..., and this would make the russian tank more user friendly, like the panzers/tigers.
It just doesnt seem fair that we can roll with a simplistic commander view in a german tank, and not a russian one.
get the jive?:cool:
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I am pretty sure that a tank commander wont be using a pair of hand-held binoculars especially in motion since the vibration of the vehicle would jiggle the the thing to much to see clearly
I was in the Armored Cavalry for 22 yrs...
Using the Bino's on the move is one of those things you got very good it, very fast!
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by stephen
yeah ok, so we are cheating a bit by having zoom, in the end what would please me is to have the F3(commanders exterior view) hat switch view in the t34 changed to the flight stick.
So the direction the tank turns is via yaw movement of the stick, and the commanders view is controld by the stick, simple..., and this would make the russian tank more user friendly, like the panzers/tigers.
It just doesnt seem fair that we can roll with a simplistic commander view in a german tank, and not a russian one.
get the jive?:cool:
I asked Pyro about this very thing; it is probably very low on the list of things to currently worry about for HTC, but something like this would be useful, and a little more immersive if done right.
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Originally posted by stephen
we have zoom but no way to look around smoothly....
Zoom in and press F8(camera pan). Then use your keypad 4-6 for left right, and 8-2 for up down. To disable it swich positions and back.
RTFM
EDIT: for clarity and how to disable.
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Originally posted by moot
He means binocular-level field of vision.
Willfly, WWII tanks didn't shake sitting still, did they?
Which ones had periscopes?
Obviously.....
Do some research on anything besides Wikipedia and you should see that some if not all tanks in Aces High had periscopes.
(All of this data is based on research so it is not my complete responsibility for providing inaccurate information.)
The T-34/76 models were equipped with various versions of periscopes and sites:...
"The commander aimed the gun by a TOD-6 telescopic sight in the early production models. This was later replaced by the TMFD. General viewing was done by a PT-6 panoramic periscopic sight in early models and then by the PT-4-7 or PT-5 on later models."
The soon to come Sherman VC "Firefly" had a very small periscope for the Commander which was attached to the commander's exit hatch
The M8 certainly did not have a periscope devices but some called "Protectoscopes" were used...
"All shutters and hatch covers can be closed and protectoscopes used for observation. "
The Panzer IV H possibly did have a periscope judging by a small petruding drum-like shape on the top of the Panzer but the Commander's cupola with it's 5 vision slats were used with a handy pair of binoculars
The Tiger I had a similar drum object on top of its turret.
None of the German tanks in Aces High seem to indicate they had a periscope but the Vision slats were used.
Overall, some tanks had periscopes, others did not, but binoculars could be an idea some consideration could be put into
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Zoom in and press F8(camera pan). Then use your keypad 4-6 for left right, and 8-2 for up down. To disable it swich positions and back.
RTFM
EDIT: for clarity and how to disable.
Note that only the T-34 requires this process. Why? Because tanks without mounted weapons used commanders who'd had their vertebrae bolted together?
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Greetings,
Before Binos, we need the TC Overide. We should be able to rotate the turret while looking around. This is done by either talking to the gunner via intercom or using the Cdr's Station Control Handle.
Regards,
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Binoculars could be handy on ships as well but i believe they would be good in most GVs.
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Willfly, I'm not doing any research, because you are asking that tank be forbidden to use binoculars, because you assert they would shake too much to be any use.
The over-ease of using something is incentive for omission, not (unhistorical) difficulty of use, especially not because of the game's rough edges in modeling, i.e. all tanks but the T34 riding on absolutely stiff chassis.
We can already stand naked on the top of the tanks invulnerable to any crew damage, while looking freely all around and above, so what would periscopes add that we don't already have?
The need for binoculars is to fill the absence of long distance vision that only the turret optics provide at the moment.
Binoculars for the commander (or whatever they were) position would be historical in nature and function.
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Before Binos, we need the TC Overide. We should be able to rotate the turret while looking around. This is done by either talking to the gunner via intercom or using the Cdr's Station Control Handle.
I don't think WW2 tanks had a Cdr's override....maybe very late tanks ie... M26.
CAVALRY
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Greetings,
I am not sure either, but if nothing else this would replicate talking the gunner onto the target.
Regards,
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Originally posted by moot
Willfly, I'm not doing any research, because you are asking that tank be forbidden to use binoculars, because you assert they would shake too much to be any use.
The over-ease of using something is incentive for omission, not (unhistorical) difficulty of use, especially not because of the game's rough edges in modeling, i.e. all tanks but the T34 riding on absolutely stiff chassis.
We can already stand naked on the top of the tanks invulnerable to any crew damage, while looking freely all around and above, so what would periscopes add that we don't already have?
The need for binoculars is to fill the absence of long distance vision that only the turret optics provide at the moment.
Binoculars for the commander (or whatever they were) position would be historical in nature and function.
Pardon me sir...
Binoculars and periscopes are the same idea and I do recall already saying that either one of those ideas could be used. I never said the binoculars should be forbidden(But I did suggest the probability the vibration would be a problem, I changed my mind because the same issue applies to the periscopes), I do say now that whatever thing you use, binoculars or periscopes, they are the same concept.
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The point of binoculars is that they are hand held from the top of the tank, not restricted to a 1 ton piece of motorized metal.. you know? :)
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that was the point yes, top open, commander exposed...even if only steady when not moving, itwould be nice to have a better vantage.
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Precisely