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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1Boner on March 29, 2007, 07:04:34 PM
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A wall of lead @ 353 mph
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OHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.,,,
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But...but...but........
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You forgot about the other SIX reasons in the wings!!!!!!!
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Oh great! just what we need ,Cobia38 in a A-26 . He will be a one man wrecking crew:cry . That being said I say A-26 all the way baby!:aok
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greaaaaaaaaaat, anoooother american bomber. Not having 6 is enough? What's next? The B-29 with perked NUKES? :D
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
greaaaaaaaaaat, anoooother american bomber. Not having 6 is enough? What's next? The B-29 with perked NUKES? :D
The "A" stands for attack plane
A "B" would be for a bomber, like the B-26
alphabeticaly yours,
Boner
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Go Vaders:aok
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
greaaaaaaaaaat, anoooother american bomber. Not having 6 is enough? What's next? The B-29 with perked NUKES? :D
Yeah. And the reason it is the ONLY American plane I push for. A perk-worthy buff ride. Otherwise, go G.55!
But think of how much FUN that 'Vader would be!
14 forward firing .50's! Turn on tracers, spend perks for the drones, and you is a one player frame rate killer anywhere you go. You fire. They don't just explode. They Disco!
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Chances are strong that either B-25 or A-26 will have a solid nose, and no drones.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Chances are strong that either B-25 or A-26 will have a solid nose, and no drones.
I'd expect the A-26 to cost perk points, and one of my big arguments is for a plane for buff drivers to be able to spend buff perk points on, other than the Arado, so allowing drones to create an even larger buff perk point economic sink has merit. The drones would increase perk price 3x for a flight.
The drones also allows the Invader to be used as a level penetration bomber, much like the Ki-67's (but costing perks). It's a versatile multi-role plane, why limit it to only half it's abilities?
Secondly, the typical mission profile of the Invader was for every six planes in a mission, 1 was a A-26C pathfinder with it's norden bombsite, and 5 - A-26B's with gun heavy solid nose. All planes would drop with the lead pathfinder bomber, in a level bombing attack. After they dropped their ord, they would normally drop down low and look for target of opportunities. Even the A-26C's had 8 forward firing .50's for strafing, and they all could carry up to 14 X 5" rockets.
Third, since the only real difference is the nose configuration of the plane, if the A-26 Invader was added, why not both B and C? It just comes down to a few nose guns and access to norden bombsight. You could "fudge" by going just solid nose, with norden to compensate for lack of pathfinder bombers, and allowing drones to facilitate the use of the Invader as a penetration level bomber, but I'd much rather see both B and C versions.
Need an Invader with bombsight and drones for level bombing abilities of the Invader. Whether this is a C-model or a B-model with a site means little difference to me. And the majority of Invaders built (and retrofitted during the war) were the A-26B with 8-pack in nose and six wing guns, and is the most popular version for use in the game by 'Vader luvers.
Solo A-26B Invaders also have their roles. Ground attack. Bomber destroyer. Deack fields. Vulch. Solo CV killer.
Then just adjust the perk price to what works in the Arenas.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
14 forward firing .50's! Turn on tracers, spend perks for the drones, and you is a one player frame rate killer anywhere you go. You fire. They don't just explode. They Disco!
That is funny chit! Sig material!:aok
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I agree.
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no drones!!
this is an attack plane , like the 110
cept on steroids!!
no perk either.
the drones would be a cool frame rate buster though!!!
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i think this plane would be the most fun out of all the other choices.:D
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Originally posted by 1Boner
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A wall of lead @ 353 mph
Mosquito FB.Mk VI:
four 20mm Hispano Mk II and four .303 brownings in the nose and 380mph.
Sorry, I'll take the Mossie.
Oh yes, the Mossie has about 10lbs/sq.ft. less wing loading too.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Mosquito FB.Mk VI:
four 20mm Hispano Mk II and four .303 brownings in the nose and 380mph.
Sorry, I'll take the Mossie.
Oh yes, the Mossie has about 10lbs/sq.ft. less wing loading too.
mossie ain,t in the running for a new plane.
its english , do we have an american attack plane like the mossie or il2?
there,s nothing in the new choices that is better than anything thats available now.
we all got our own opinions
mossies a great plane
A-26 is a great plane too!!
i just think it would add more to the game than any of the other choices.
My 3 cents,
Boner
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Yeah. And the reason it is the ONLY American plane I push for. A perk-worthy buff ride. Otherwise, go G.55!
But think of how much FUN that 'Vader would be!
14 forward firing .50's! Turn on tracers, spend perks for the drones, and you is a one player frame rate killer anywhere you go. You fire. They don't just explode. They Disco!
Strange, the current plane set has holes big enough to fly an A-26 through...
:)
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I have to say, "no". Imagine when a bomber really does scream past Krusty, and when he posts about it in here, we wouldn't be able to laugh at him. Do you realize how bad this would be for morale?
For this, and several other reasons, I have to vote against the A-26 at this point in time.
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The A-26 got my vote.. woot!
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Mosquito FB.Mk VI:
four 20mm Hispano Mk II and four .303 brownings in the nose and 380mph.
Sorry, I'll take the Mossie.
Oh yes, the Mossie has about 10lbs/sq.ft. less wing loading too.
Origanally posted by Karnak
I'd like my Mossy's FM fixed, with the CG moved where it should be.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
no drones!!
this is an attack plane , like the 110
no perk either.
i think this plane would be the most fun out of all the other choices.:D
This was more than an Attack plane. It operated as a level bomber. Dropped it's ord over target (pathfinder A-26C's and A-26B's mentioned above). THEN went low to attack targets of opportunity with many cannons and rockets.
A flight of 3 A-26C's would be a great penetration bomber to hit dar and ord at many fields. A single A-26B would do great against GV's, ack, or as a bomber destroyer.
Why kill half it's mission abilities?
And, there is NO WAY HTC would add this plane without a perk price. Which is fine, buff drivers can really use another perk ride in this game. But no way this would get in without a perk attached.
I do agree with it being the most fun plane on the voting list. The 'Vader could do many things very well.
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Pyro has commented in the past that there are only two or three bombers yet to be added that would be perk bombers if added.
As follows:
B-29
A-26
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
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Mossie! Now why wasnt that on the list?
*Queues up I want a correct and updated version of Mossie thread.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Mossie! Now why wasnt that on the list?
Because it isn't a new airframe.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Pyro has commented in the past that there are only two or three bombers yet to be added that would be perk bombers if added.
As follows:
B-29
A-26
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
And I have VERY serious doubts about B-29 being practical, despite bomb load, and high altitude abilities, and nook crowd......
Could a properly modeled B-29 even take off from the runways in this game? Loaded, they weighed about twice what a Lanc does. I'm betting most would get hung in the trees unless the field tiles and maps were redone to support them.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Mosquito FB.Mk VI:
four 20mm Hispano Mk II and four .303 brownings in the nose and 380mph.
Sorry, I'll take the Mossie.
Oh yes, the Mossie has about 10lbs/sq.ft. less wing loading too.
Mossie doesn't carry 6,000 lbs of bombs.
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Me 410 Hornisse !
Six 20mm cannon and four 13mm macineguns!
At 388 mph !
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Viking, a Mid-War plane with high altitude abilities, good flying performance, and armed with 3 X 20mm X 200-250 rpg, plus 2 X 12.7mm X 300 rpg did not make the FIRST CUT.
Apparently what a planes' capabilities are are not a factor in the voting.
Me 410 hasn't a prayer. I could certainly live with getting the Me 410. Far more than the He-111 or B-25, which is how I think this is leaning.
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As much as I hate to do it, it is looking like the P-39 is the next plane. The biggest gap we have left is the Early/Mid War Russian plane, which is really what the P-39 is.
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Like I said in Pyro's thread:
Originally posted by Viking
Me 410 ... German ... high number = Late war überness in most people's mind. Perhaps they even think it's a jet. Who among the pleebs knows what a P-39 or Yak-3 is? It sure aint' no P-47 Mustang!
What's an A-26 again?
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Originally posted by TracerX
Mossie doesn't carry 6,000 lbs of bombs.
Mossie usually doesn't have any bombs when I use it.
A-26 would be the same, no bombs usually.
Mossie is also out of the fighter hangar and the A-26 would be out of the bomber hangar.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Mossie usually doesn't have any bombs when I use it.
A-26 would be the same, no bombs usually.
Mossie is also out of the fighter hangar and the A-26 would be out of the bomber hangar.
A-26B does make a decent bomber destroyer. The A-26A was designed for the job the P-61 eventually got.
A-26 out of the bomber hangar adds another plane to help the IL2's to defend fields when FH's go down possibly.
'Vader with 500lb bombs internal and 5 inch rockets on wing would make life difficult for GVr's.
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It'll be a hanger queen. Not nimble enough to be a fighter, and crap against ground targets due to being to slow to evade the ack. So what use does it have again?
I mean I like the idea, just dont see any use for it.
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Originally posted by blkmgc
It'll be a hanger queen. Not nimble enough to be a fighter, and crap against ground targets due to being to slow to evade the ack. So what use does it have again?
I mean I like the idea, just dont see any use for it.
hanger queen???
get a fighter in front of the nose of this thing.
slow???
picture that coming at ya in a dive.
ouch!!:D
what other plane on the list would be more diverse???
on the list.
Tryin to keep track,
Boner
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Possibly the Me410. It might even be more diverse.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
hanger queen???
get a fighter in front of the nose of this thing.
slow???
picture that coming at ya in a dive.
ouch!!:D
what other plane on the list would be more diverse???
on the list.
Tryin to keep track,
Boner
Well, thats the thing. The only way you'll get a fighter in front of it is if the fighter screws up. It will be out turned, out climbed, and out dived by any airframe in the fighter set. This by no means any kind of dogfighter. Those who think it is would be sorely dissapointed. I can see it now, guys trying to dive with this thing , hitting 300 mph, and having the wings rip off. Its a niche aircraft at best that only saw limited use.
If you want diversity, vote for the B25. Almost the same guns package (even better ground attack with the 75mm gun package), numerous bombloads including HE, parafrags, and skipbombs. And hundreds of skin possabilities since it serverd in virtually every theatre.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
The "A" stands for attack plane
A "B" would be for a bomber, like the B-26
alphabeticaly yours,
Boner
boner-
they changed the name after the war to b-26. It is a bomber, sorta.:huh
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Originally posted by Turbo76
boner-
they changed the name after the war to b-26. It is a bomber, sorta.:huh
Martin B-26 entered war in 1942.
i believe we are already using this plane in this game!!!
it is most certainly NOT a Douglas A-26:huh
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uote:Originally posted by Turbo76
boner-
they changed the name after the war to b-26. It is a bomber, sorta.
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Martin B-26 entered war in 1942.
i believe we are already using this plane in this game!!!
it is most certainly NOT a Douglas A-26
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He's right though, after WWII, the B-26 Mararder was retired, the A-26 Invader was renamed the B-26 Invader up and all through Korea.
By Vietnam, the USAF changed the name BACK to A-26 to operate out of Thailand, as "bomber" were not allowed to be based there by their government.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
uote:Originally posted by Turbo76
boner-
they changed the name after the war to b-26. It is a bomber, sorta.
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Martin B-26 entered war in 1942.
i believe we are already using this plane in this game!!!
it is most certainly NOT a Douglas A-26
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He's right though, after WWII, the B-26 Mararder was retired, the A-26 Invader was renamed the B-26 Invader up and all through Korea.
By Vietnam, the USAF changed the name BACK to A-26 to operate out of Thailand, as "bomber" were not allowed to be based there by their government.
Hey!!
lets not cloud the issue with facts!!!;)
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A 26 B 26 I don't care I just want some...
NOW SHUT UP WILLIS AND GIMMIE A "26"
move along now nothing else will happen....
Please vote 26
we ask here now for your vote...
thank you
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IIRC, the A-26 was the attack plane of choice in Air Warrior...over the Mossie. It took more punishment.
If they bring this plane to AH, it would not work as a formation plane. It's an attack plane that happens to have some buff-like capabilities. Formations would be silly.
That said, I think I could level a town with one of these suckers in about 3 minutes. ;)
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Originally posted by frosty
IIRC, the A-26 was the attack plane of choice in Air Warrior...over the Mossie. It took more punishment.
If they bring this plane to AH, it would not work as a formation plane. It's an attack plane that happens to have some buff-like capabilities. Formations would be silly.
That said, I think I could level a town with one of these suckers in about 3 minutes. ;)
Actually, the A-26B and A-26C worked together for level bombing missions, then after ord was dropped, they would drop down to hunt and strafe whatever they could find.
It is a medium level bomber to replace the B-26 and B-25.
It's a superior attack plane to replace the A-20.
It was developed, but not tasked with, being a bomber destroyer (A-26A).
It would be possible to add this to the game as BOTH an attack plane AND a medium level penetration bomber. Since it will be perked, you can choose whether or not to take drones. Going hunting? Run solo. Going off to drop dar and ord at several sites? Take drones.
All comes down to what's in the nose.... otherwise, the B and C were identical.
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Well, thats the thing. The only way you'll get a fighter in front of it is if the fighter screws up. It will be out turned, out climbed, and out dived by any airframe in the fighter set. This by no means any kind of dogfighter. Those who think it is would be sorely dissapointed. I can see it now, guys trying to dive with this thing , hitting 300 mph, and having the wings rip off. Its a niche aircraft at best that only saw limited use
i,m willing to bet it will handle fighters decently in a dog fight :D
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In a dogfight it'd fare about as well as a 110 I'd guess. In Air Warrior (only point of reference I've got) it was solid in A2A indeed, at least if it had an E advantage. Funny thing is in AW its gun was a peashooter. Not sure what that was about.
I still don't like the idea of having this thing in formations...at least, not with the nose guns. It's way too quick and maneuverable. Yes it has a bombsite, but it's not a buff. It's not a big slow pos with no hope like a buff. For all intents and purposes, it's a 110 with a bombsite. If it had formations, it would be nearly impossible to stop from killing CVs...which is already a problem with the big slow guys.
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All that at twice the wieght of a 110. I think you'd be in for a let down.
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Originally posted by frosty
In a dogfight it'd fare about as well as a 110 I'd guess. In Air Warrior (only point of reference I've got) it was solid in A2A indeed, at least if it had an E advantage. Funny thing is in AW its gun was a peashooter. Not sure what that was about.
I still don't like the idea of having this thing in formations...at least, not with the nose guns. It's way too quick and maneuverable. Yes it has a bombsite, but it's not a buff. It's not a big slow pos with no hope like a buff. For all intents and purposes, it's a 110 with a bombsite. If it had formations, it would be nearly impossible to stop from killing CVs...which is already a problem with the big slow guys.
i think the "c" version had the norden bombsite and lacked the nose guns
the "B" versions would follow and drop when the leading "C" model did.
then it was targets of opportunity time!!
pretty sure i read that somewhere.
Hey--if they won,t put a HE219a7 on the list --A-26 is next best choice!!!