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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on March 30, 2007, 01:08:06 PM
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Hey all !
I've been playing the game for 6mths.
Love it very much ! Addicted? I think so ! (average 80hrs/mth)
Seen and heard lots of good and bad !
Good & Bad players; sore losers; accusations; strange weird scenarios etc...
I'm enjoying the game very much !
HTC
:aok
I've noticed that some players do SAD things because of their RANKS/SCORES !:(
I respect that some of us love the competition and some don't give it priority.
For those players that don't give a hoot about rankings, why can't we simply be taken off the RANK scoreboard ?
The scores can only be seen by the player himself.
The points / perks can still be added accordingly....
At the begining of each month, the player would select if he wishes to get on the board or not ;)
Viewing his personal(hidden) scores, the player can rank himself among the ones that are showing etc.
What I'm seing at this time is players being judged by others by looking at the ranks. If the pilot is good, "He must of been cheating !"
If the pilot as low rankings, "maybe I should wait before letting him in on the squadron..."
If the pilot is an TOP SCORING ACE, others will back out of a dual...
I'm an average fighter pilot.
I'm a fair bomber pilot
I'm a good gunner
As for GVs, we won't go there :rofl
Mmm not sure what kind of responce I'm gonna get from this.
Is there more players outhere that agree with the above?
Keep in mind that I have respect for players who like the STRONG COMPETITION. Showing off their ranks is fine with me !
Why can't the pilots simply be classified in a CLASS / GROUP ?
Once the points have reached certain amount, the pilots would move up the ranks... Without assigning specific numbers, he would simply be assigned a military rank or group. "A" pilot or "B" pilot classes
Open for input.
HT ??
Phil
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Welcome!
Not caring about your score should be synonymous to not caring what others think about it...
Those players that make a big deal about it in any way (cheating calls, duel skidmarks, etc), shouldn't mean much to you. There's enough freedom allowed in the game to plainly ignore those players who attempt to give you grief for the numbers in your score report card.
Raw statistics are facts, and are more veracious than a pigeonhole "A", "B", etc classification.
Going on a tangent, it would be cool for HT to give us the post-flight stats report he mentionned was on his to-do list a long time ago... it would be more useful to some people than whole-tour cumulative statistics as we have now.
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I like the idea.
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Which one?
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I can see where you're coming from. I've gone into the DA a couple times when there were 15+ people there and no one would respond to requests to fight. I guess maybe our rank signals how much of a challenge we are and not what we view as important for us to have fun playing the game, which may result in a lower rank.
If my rank is affecting my ability to get duels in the DA then i would agree, otherwise i could care less.
lwcody
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Actually he has a point.
Why should participation in the rank competition and therefore the public dessemination of an individuals score be compulsary?
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Originally posted by Tilt
Actually he has a point.
Why should participation in the rank competition and therefore the public dessemination of an individuals score be compulsary?
But if you don't care, you shouldn't care.
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"For those players that don't give a hoot about rankings, why can't we simply be taken off the RANK scoreboard ?"
I don't give a hoot...thats why I'm NOT on the scoreboards :)
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Moot...
Its true, I don't really care about my own scores. I used them as tools...
Personal tools. With my stats, I can see that I'm improving with time....
But what I see more and more is teamates doing selfish actions because of their scores on the board !!!
Ex: Flying formation with 15 X B17's
The lead bomber made a comment such as: "Keeping in formation will make me miss half the target and it will affect my score !!"
Some pilots were having minor problems keeping in tight formation for the purpose of having a strong defensive stance. The lead bomber pilot was more interested in his POINTS :cry
Too bad, this guy is an awesome pilot with skills. Obviously I saw where he stood when it comes to squadron priority.... Ah well ! That's his choice and I respect that !
If the score board would classify him in the ADVANCE class bomber pilots, I don't think he would be that muticulous about his points. Belonging to a certain class would give you some point range etc... A= 90% - %100 hitting targets 70% to 89% = B class etc....
Same goes with other groups(fighters / GVs)
Your comments ?
Phil
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guess i can see both sides. i personally don't fly for score, i don't care how my score appears to others, nor do i care what conclusions anyone wants to make from my scores.
however, i can see the other side. If you don't want to participate in the ranking system, i don't see the harm removing that person from the list all together. It's like running the boston marathon.....there are some there to place in the race, while others are there for completely different reasons....we give them a finishing time, but not a rank.
I agree good scores can be gamed. So i think most people who have been around awhile do not judge by score, but by experiences with other players.
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Score's are a joke anyway.....Any newb can get their score down EASILY under 50 if they want to. :D
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Originally posted by pluck
I agree good scores can be gamed. So i think most people who have been around awhile do not judge by score, but by experiences with other players.
You are right in so many ways Pluck! :aok The guys that have played the game for a long while and fly a 'decent' way are the ones who are respected in a sense by others. But then you have the guys who have flown for a while and are just morons who like to pad away on thier score. Certain squads are respected mor than others and some are just hated by all. The guy that complains about getting HOed is the guy that loses the HO, "Says" he never HO's or is mad because he had 5 buddies with him fighting one guy and still gets shot down and blames it on the ho-er.... I have just learned to enjoy the game.
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I like your idea Phil. I think making your score public should be a choice the player makes.
Also, I don't buy all this "my score doesn't matter" verbiage. I'm sure there are a few who really don't care. However, I think it's a somewhat trendy, macho thing to say stuff like "I don't care about my score." I'd be willing to bet that if HTC were to sabotage your score so that it's but a fraction of reality and was posted for all to see, the majority of these "I don't care" folks would scream bloody murder.
Actually I hate the fact that I care about my score. Ok, I like tracking it so I have a way of quantifying my progress, blah, blah, blah. But, the fact is, if I had a score that would be worth bragging about, I'm sure I'd feel differently. I try very hard to not care about my score but I find myself being motivated by it far more than I wish. Being able to make that a private matter really would be great I think.
Just MHO.
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"I'd be willing to bet that if HTC were to sabotage your score so that it's but a fraction of reality and was posted for all to see, the majority of these "I don't care" folks would scream bloody murder"
In my case you'd be dead wrong. I'm not naturally good enough to rapidly progress up the ladder in skill and I don't really have the time to be on constantly practicing. That said I play the game for run and believe it or not relaxation. Learning slowly over time how to put up a better fight when a more advanced player spots me and THATS why I play. So some day I can give them a run for their money in a 5 minute, adreneline pumping, white knuckled, fight.
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I used them as tools... Personal tools. With my stats, I can see that I'm improving with time.... But what I see more and more is teamates doing selfish actions because of their scores on the board !!!
We agree.
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I like keeping my score high(1500+). I just like bigger numbers better. Who wants to be a measley single digit?
Oh and it's funny when you get in a purse fight with someone, they look at your score, and want to DA. Then you own them and laugh.
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Score's are a joke anyway.....Any newb can get their score down EASILY under 50 if they want to. :D
travel in hordes and know how to manipulate the game you can get it down easy enough. If you dont get bored from trying first
Rankings here are totally misleading.
Some of the best I've ever gone against had/have ranks over 1,000
and some of the poorest, under 50
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I think you should be able to pull your score from the board. Posted a thread in the wish list about that. Why not? I would do it since I dont look at it much anyway.
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...agree with me !;)
That would be great !
Give the player the CHOICE of having your score displayed on the monthly scoreboard !
Appreciate all your input BUT would like to see what the TECH guys have to add.
POST a vote and see the results !
I WISH TO HAVE MY SCORES POSTED YES or NO ?
I wouldn't be surprised that 1/3 of all players would vanished from the score board.
By doing that, I'm sure IT WOULD ELEMINATE / PREVENT LOTS OF PROBLEMS when it comes to doing nasty things or saying immature comments towards another player !
Hey! ELIMINATE the scores/ranking for SQUADS !!
No more fighting / bad mouthing etc... !
One squad would challenge the other without knowing the ranking ! Go out and find out scenario !
I was a computer programmer for 10yrs and changing few software programs could be done to prevent the scores from showing up or simply bypassing the player's ID on the score board.
At each monthly start, a box would appear prompting you IF you wish or not to have your scores added to the scoreboard. Obviousvly your score would still be added BUT ONLY FOR YOU TO VIEW. This way you can print your chart and privately compare it with what's online. Anyone that you would KILL during battles, the defeated would only be able to say that you were damn good fighter ! ;)
Now for the posted player, BEWARE because he would know that there's pilots outhere with higher ranking scores ! That #1 posted player would be flying with a "low attitude" when SHOT down by this player with U/K scores ! That would stop the bragging for sure !
Hey HIGHT TECH GUYS !
Give us some input on this !!!!
Not complaining here !
I enjoy every minute when playing your game !
:aok
Phil
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Why the hell does anyone even care if their scors are posted.
If you dont care what your score is. Dont look
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Why the hell does anyone even care if their scors are posted.
If you dont care what your score is. Dont look
What he said. :)
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Not caring about your score should be synonymous to not caring what others think about it...
EXACTLY!
Good point Moot (and others) :aok
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Welcome Phil, I am SkyRock the owner of pWn! I own folks and PwN them at the same time, but am a nice guy! If you need training in confidence from mastery of intense skills, let me know! :aok
Mark
PS, seriously, welcome to the game and if you want to learn some old dog tricks let me know!
Mark
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
travel in hordes and know how to manipulate the game you can get it down easy enough. If you dont get bored from trying first
Rankings here are totally misleading.
Some of the best I've ever gone against had/have ranks over 1,000
and some of the poorest, under 50
Very true:aok
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Very true:aok
Kiss Ass:lol
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Welcome Phil, I am SkyRock the owner of pWn! I own folks and PwN them at the same time, but am a nice guy! If you need training in confidence from mastery of intense skills, let me know! :aok
Mark
PS, seriously, welcome to the game and if you want to learn some old dog tricks let me know!
Mark
since when are you 'nice'? ;)
hi Phil
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Why the hell does anyone even care if their scors are posted.
If you dont care what your score is. Dont look
I agree completely !
But what I'm sayin' is that Im noticying that players do/say CHEAP SELFISH THINGS while playing the game ! Sad !
All because they want to be #1 or better on the scoreboard....
Accusations/poor comments and the snowball effect start flyin':(
Can't deny that seeing my own scores slowly climbing among other pilots makes me feel good. Signs that I'm improving. If I chose, those stats would be visible only to the player that requested his score not to be displayed on the board.
Not complaining in anyway. Just curious what kind of input I would get from other players.
Tks:aok
Phil
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Originally posted by HomeBoy
Also, I don't buy all this "my score doesn't matter" verbiage. I'm sure there are a few who really don't care. However, I think it's a somewhat trendy, macho thing to say stuff like "I don't care about my score." I'd be willing to bet that if HTC were to sabotage your score so that it's but a fraction of reality and was posted for all to see, the majority of these "I don't care" folks would scream bloody murder.
with all due respect, i honestly dont give a hoot. htc can rank me at 0.000001 k/d and i wont complain. i auger for fun, infact i am the auger miester! i check my score sometimes and usualy get 10 kills per hour or so and reasonable hit % but if i looked and it said 0 per hour and 0.01% i wouldnt enjoy the game any less
im sure there are a larger number of people who feel the same than you give credit for!
:)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
.....Rankings here are totally misleading.
Some of the best I've ever gone against had/have ranks over 1,000
and some of the poorest, under 50
I agree. In most cases rank is completely meaningless.
If a top notch pilot comes on once or twice a month his rank will be way up there, well over 1000. Whereas a pilot who flys a lot will be ranked in the top 500. So ranking means nothing.
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Originally posted by Phil
Hey all !
I've been playing the game for 6mths.
Love it very much ! Addicted? I think so ! (average 80hrs/mth)
Seen and heard lots of good and bad !
Good & Bad players; sore losers; accusations; strange weird scenarios etc...
I'm enjoying the game very much !
HTC
:aok
I've noticed that some players do SAD things because of their RANKS/SCORES !:(
What I'm seing at this time is players being judged by others by looking at the ranks. If the pilot is good, "He must of been cheating !"
If the pilot as low rankings, "maybe I should wait before letting him in on the squadron..."
If the pilot is an TOP SCORING ACE, others will back out of a dual...
Phil
then what would most of the people on the bbs have to discuss?it would eliminate half the new topics
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I like to work on keeping my rank/score reasonably high but not to the extent that it dictates what I want to do or how I have fun in the game.
I fly tons of different planes. ~ 40 different fighters so far this camp. My squaddies keep saying "imagine if you just stuck to your best planes" or "you always seem to find a way to handicap yourself". That might be true but flying lots of different stuff is part of what I find fun and I won't stop just to improve my fighter ranking.
I've had others say to me on 200 "you can't be very good with that K/D ratio". I ignore them. They don't know what, where or how I fly.
I do use my scores to to track my own progress. I also use them to judge myself against others, even though I know that scores/ranks don't tell the whole story.
After a fight, I like to look up the scores of the players I shot down and those who shot me down. I feel much better shooting down or getting shot down by someone with a better fighter score (K/D, K/S) than one without unless it's in a furball or I'm outnumberd, then it's just luck of the draw. This is another way to judge my own skills and I can put this into context based on plane match-ups and odds. For that reason alone I think they should remain posted.
Sometimes I find myself in a corner of the map finding easy kills. Last night for instance, a squaddie and I both killed a Spit pilot. He had 6 kills on 52 sorties, 0 landed. Now I'm not claimng to be an uber-ace or anything but, my squaddie is scored higher than me in a fighter, this guy was not going to be a challenge for either of us and flying against us was not going to help his development nor enjoyment of the game. As there were others in the area, we went somewhere else so that this pilot might find a closer match-up. We could have just stayed driving up our own scores.
On the other hand, the night before we were challenging some very highly rated players in a particular area. Scores were slightly against us as were odds but we had some great fights against some great players. I'm sure some of those on the other side were looking at the match-ups too as they stayed for several rounds.
So are these two instances biasing the fight based on rank/score? Yes. But I think in a good way. I wish more like-skilled players would seek one another out in the arenas and that some of the better pilots would volantarily leave some of the lesser pilots alone to find someone of their own skill level. Now thats looking at the MA's through rose colored glasses but it is possible to a degree.
Are there people who will do anything to raise their score/rank? I'm sure there are. If that's what they want to do then that's up to them. If they do so at their squaddies expense then their squaddies should either lobby to have them ejected from the squad or quit themselves. I was in a squad for two weeks once and left for many reasons, this being but one of them.
I think that public ranks/scores are a good thing. You just have to keep in mind that they don't tell the whole story.
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The only time I really check scores is when I run into an extremely timid player. They usually have very "good" ones.
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Originally posted by Bear76
Kiss Ass:lol
potty mouth
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Welcome Phil, I am SkyRock the owner of pWn! I own folks and PwN them at the same time, but am a nice guy! If you need training in confidence from mastery of intense skills, let me know! :aok
Mark
Mr. PwN,
I am still waiting for you to do some duels, I went there twice I can remember and asked if you wanted to go a few, but you never had time, or was dueling soneone else.......:D
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Why the hell does anyone even care if their scors are posted.
If you dont care what your score is. Dont look
What he said. Also!!
Welcome to Aces High II, Phil............
play your own game, have fun, don't worry about others...........
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
with all due respect, i honestly dont give a hoot. htc can rank me at 0.000001 k/d and i wont complain. i auger for fun, infact i am the auger miester! i check my score sometimes and usualy get 10 kills per hour or so and reasonable hit % but if i looked and it said 0 per hour and 0.01% i wouldnt enjoy the game any less
im sure there are a larger number of people who feel the same than you give credit for!
:)
I sincerely hope you are right!
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Sorry Phil, I dont follow your reasoning. I see you saying two things. One, scores encourage poor behavior. Two, you'd like to be able to opt out of public scores. I see no connection between the two. Anyone who plays only interested in their score *wants* everyone to look at their score. Hence if everyone who doesn't care about score makes their score private, that does nothing to change the behavior of those that do.
The rank displayed on the roster effectively means very little in a practical sense unless you are checking to see if you have the rank to kick some inept CV CO out of command.
Judge me by my rank do you? Rank matters not. For my ally is ACM, and a powerfull ally it is. What I am saying is that you'll find at any given time much of the top tier AH players are ranked down in the 1000's or multi-thousands because they choose to do their own thing rather the the chores required for a top rank. So in that sense rank is meaningless.
If you actually look at the stats like k/d k/s ect, you can actually gleam information about a player from that. If the option to view that info was removed you'd be adding another layer of anonymity, which in itself is a sactuary for poor behavior.
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Amen Murdr
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr. PwN,
I am still waiting for you to do some duels, I went there twice I can remember and asked if you wanted to go a few, but you never had time, or was dueling soneone else.......:D
What he said. Also!!
Welcome to Aces High II, Phil............
play your own game, have fun, don't worry about others...........
Heyas TC, what time is good for you and I'll try to meet you there. Let me know!!
Mark
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Originally posted by Murdr
Anyone who plays only interested in their score *wants* everyone to look at their score. Hence if everyone who doesn't care about score makes their score private, that does nothing to change the behavior of those that do.
If the option to view that info was removed you'd be adding another layer of anonymity, which in itself is a sactuary for poor behavior.
Phew, I thought I was the only one that saw this.
But what I see more and more is teamates doing selfish actions because of their scores on the board !!!
I actually left a squad recently that is loaded w/ great guys because their scorewhoring got in the way of teamplay and fun. Vox was a blast, interspersed w/ the occasional rant about someone bombing in TT, etc. I left some old friends behind in that squad... hated to leave but I just didn't fit in w/ the rankers.
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Das Steve? hit me up!:aok
Mark