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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: VOR on March 30, 2007, 04:19:37 PM
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They should have shot a few employers instead.
TUCSON, Ariz. - Gunmen ambushed nearly two dozen suspected illegal immigrants and smugglers packed into a pickup truck early Friday, killing two people and wounding at least one, authorities said.
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070330/ap_on_re_us/migrant_shooting)
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He fixed the link .
Oh well.
From what you put up it looks like they had the right idea. just shot the wrong people.
thats why I say you shoot them if you catcvh them crossing the boarder.
Meaning you do it at the boarder.
In that case. Mow em down like grass
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Save your ammo, jail the employers.
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The link is fixed. If you can't view it and want to just check Yahoo news for the story.
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Originally posted by moot
Save your ammo, jail the employers.
shoot them too.
Make more room for people who are willing to operate businesses legally and we wont have to waste jailspace :D
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Ahh so they didnt shoot the wrong people after all
And for added gravy
People in the truck ran off soon after the shootings. As deputies and U.S. Border Patrol agents searched for them they also found several unrelated groups of illegal immigrants and took them into custody.
Alls well that ends well.
I feel no pity or compassion for anyone who has to anything bad happen to them when entering this country illegally
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There's not enough information in the story IMO it could be a farmer defending his land... which I fully support since the losers in DC refuse to do so.
"Walking the line", shows frustrated farmers dressed and armed in full military garb, NVDs, AR15s w/ 40mm etc... they go out nightly, on private property, looking for a gun fight with anyone including the Mexican military.
At one point they confront Mexican military soldiers at the border fence, the Mexicans, armed with the latest US weapons driving a Hummer, demanded the US citizens on US soil stop taping them (and their drug smuggling). Others US citizens relate how often border gun fights erupt and how the suspects always get away by slithering back to Mexico... and the US authorities do nothing about it.
Its a good flick
http://www.walkingthelinefilm.com/
Edit: check out the trailer, I almost want to goin these guys at "Ranch Rescue"
http://www.walkingthelinefilm.com/trailer.htm
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Its a travesty that the U.S. government will not stop these illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S. and draining further our already stretched resources.
Now this may be hypocritical of me, but I don't want any uneducated immigrants. I am fine with immigrants coming to the U.S. who have degrees, or are very skilled (carpentry, cooking, etc).
We have enough fine young Americans as it is that are as uneducated as the poorest third world citizens, and whom speak in such a mangled form of english that no respectable employer would even give them a chance.
So really, there are three things that can happen:
(1) Illegal immigrants will continue to flow into our country, draining our resources, causing an increased rate of urban decay and expansion of our slums and ghettos.
(2) We can try to utilize this influx of immigrants by creating an effective education and vocational system for working class citizens.
(3) We can start treating this massive influx of illegal immigrants as what it really is, border incursions. 10 year prison sentences and make-shift prison camps in the hot Arizona/Texas desert could be used to punish the border incursions before sending them back to Mexico.
-Additions to option (3): Upon entering prison, allow each prisoner to take an IQ test. Offer the smartest prisoners a chance to live in the U.S. and an opportunity for education. The U.S. can always use smart citizens.
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Murder GOOD
Crossing an arbitrary line in the dirt without filling out the proper paperwork BAD
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Simple concept
Dont cross the arbitrary line in the dirt without filling out the proper paperwork and you wont get murdered.
These people are an invading force. and should be treated as such
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What most, if not all of you have missed is that this is not an isolated incident and almost certainly not from American's shooting up the smugglers and illegals.
For some time there has been a small war being conducted between the smugglers / coyotes trying to gain more $ by ripping off the competition. They can kill or run off the competing coyote and shake down the illegals again for whatever they are carrying. They extort another "fee" to smuggle them into the States while they are already IN the US. If they are packing drugs, even more profit. In other words it's illegals shooting up other illegals here on our side of the fence.
While some folks would like to blame this on the border moonitoring groups all I have seen or heard about through the local news in Tucson was that it has been other Mexicans hitting illegals here. Strange as it seems, smuggling illegals into the States is a money making operation.
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Too bad those guys don't pay, I can't afford to miss work. I would love to get some practical man tracking experience.
I wonder if they employ UAVs. You can make a rudimentary UAV with live video link for a couple hundred. For about a thousand you can make a long range one with gps and flight data telemetry, if you have the means you can put a miniature thermal camera on it.
You could close down the border using dirt bikes and rc aircraft.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Its a travesty that the U.S. government will not stop these illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S. and draining further our already stretched resources.
Now this may be hypocritical of me, but I don't want any uneducated immigrants. I am fine with immigrants coming to the U.S. who have degrees, or are very skilled (carpentry, cooking, etc).
We have enough fine young Americans as it is that are as uneducated as the poorest third world citizens, and whom speak in such a mangled form of english that no respectable employer would even give them a chance.
So really, there are three things that can happen:
(1) Illegal immigrants will continue to flow into our country, draining our resources, causing an increased rate of urban decay and expansion of our slums and ghettos.
(2) We can try to utilize this influx of immigrants by creating an effective education and vocational system for working class citizens.
(3) We can start treating this massive influx of illegal immigrants as what it really is, border incursions. 10 year prison sentences and make-shift prison camps in the hot Arizona/Texas desert could be used to punish the border incursions before sending them back to Mexico.
-Additions to option (3): Upon entering prison, allow each prisoner to take an IQ test. Offer the smartest prisoners a chance to live in the U.S. and an opportunity for education. The U.S. can always use smart citizens.
I think a good start would be making it illegal to pay people on work visas less than minimum wage. Most illegals aren't border jumpers, they came on a temporary visa.
There's a reason that it's so hard to become a US citizen legally. The reason is that the system prefers illegal immigrants, that's where the money is.
Illegal immigration interdiction is a big and growing economy, soon it will be bigger than drug interdiction.
If you attack the supply instead of the demand you will have a self propigating problem. You'll need to continually expand the government agencies tasked with controlling the flow. Remember when Dubya forced some states to use their national guard as border patrol. It was a ploy to get more tax dollars to expand the border patrol. Yeah it caused a lot of upheavel and disruption in thousands of citizen soldiers' families, but hey it was for a political cause, tax dollars no less. Hey if you can't use our fighting men for political leverage, what good are they?
Just think of all the people who would lose jobs and revenue if illegal labor and drug trade went away.
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If we hung a few employers who knowingly hired illegals from the lamp posts it would all work out pretty quickly.
lazs
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Take away citizenship of the employers and make em walk south.
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Ya know...
That is frigging brilliant! It never occured to me but it is the perfect solution... biblical. I think it would work too.
simply revoke their citizenship if that is possible.. take away all rights.
course... if they were given a felony charge and imprisoned for a year... they would lose most of their rights when they got out anyway.
The other problem is that once you open the door to taking away citizenship for crimes... well... Imagine what a hillary or her court would consider as being a crime worthy of losing your citizenship over.... "hate speech"?
lazs
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If i was from Mexico and saw an oportunity to get into the US for a better life, I would. So would the rest of you prolly.
Punish those who hire them and get payed to help them in. Attacking the symptom and not the problem prolly won't work in this case either.
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nilsen... that is what I have been saying from the very beginning. I am heartened to see some politicians are now at least paying lip service to that idea.
you can't blame people for ignoring laws that we ourselves ignore.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
If i was from Mexico and saw an oportunity to get into the US for a better life, I would. So would the rest of you prolly.
Punish those who hire them and get payed to help them in. Attacking the symptom and not the problem prolly won't work in this case either.
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
Stone cold killers cross the border daily and slaughter US citizens all the time, are the dead / victimized US citizens acceptable losses? in the name of 'migrant workers"? The repubs & Dems have decided a few dozen dead Americans are ok because corporate America likes the cheap labor.
How the F did illegal aliens "right" to look for an illegal job become more important than dead American citizens?
If an Iranian backed group slaughtered US citizens at the rate illegals do, Shrub & the media would lose their minds and we'd be readying for another war.
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If i was from Mexico and saw an oportunity to get into the US for a better life, I would. So would the rest of you prolly.
I probably would too. You have hit the root of the problem Nilsen. US employers are just taking advantage of a cheap labor source. Mexicans are crossing the border in order to provide a better life for their families. Something they cant do in Mexico. Help the Mexican gov't develop their own natural resources and improve their economy and most Mexicans wont want to cross the border.
Look at Canada, they have a good economy with a good standard of living. Do we see the same problem on our northern border as we do on our southern border? No.
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Flood the Rio Grande with Jet Fuel...light it...The Whole River...
If they want to come across so dam bad...let it happen.
Mac
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Simple concept
Dont cross the arbitrary line in the dirt without filling out the proper paperwork and you wont get murdered.
These people are an invading force. and should be treated as such
BRAVO ! :aok
CHECKERS
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multiply this by 10 or 15 million... that'll get the job done. It isn't murder, it's defense.
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If there were no jobs here the flow of illegals would slow to a trickle.
It would be far easier to monitor those who were here... Those who were only smuggling drugs or such would not have a brown mass of humanity to hide in...
Papers could be checked... border guards would have less to do.
lazs
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Illegal immigration issue (like the drug war) could be kicked in the eye tomorrow by legalizing it. We need to just friggn admit a certain number of low wage earners are needed for the economy to survive "as is", for now... and figure out that number.
It would require clamping down on the border much harder, keep the criminals out, let the real "workers" in. They can pay a small fee to be a legal guest worker, or get an employer sponsor. Their guest worker wages will be taxed a small amount and companies will pay fees for the privilege to hire them.. $$ that will cover the costs of the program... let them pay for it all so we dont have to. As guest workers they have limited rights to .gov services.
After clamping down the border, allow US companies to recruit qualified guest workers in Mexico, or at the border, where they can load buses & trains to take their guest workers to where they're needed. Let these people stand around waiting for a job down in Tijuana, rather than in front of my place every frikn day.
If these people no longer fall under "Title 8" status, States & local law enforcement can more effectively and aggressively arrest & deport the criminals without help, or "permission" from the incompetent Feds.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
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He fixed the link .
Oh well.
From what you put up it looks like they had the right idea. just shot the wrong people.
thats why I say you shoot them if you catcvh them crossing the boarder.
Meaning you do it at the boarder.
In that case. Mow em down like grass
Id go out there and buy our boys some ammo myself!
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we allow some 2,000,000 in LEGALLY per year... we are the most generous nation in the world in that respect by a longshot... we should round up all illegals from oldest to younges, including anchor babies and ship them back across the border they crossed in cattle cars
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All this compassionate conservatism is very touching.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ya know...
That is frigging brilliant! It never occured to me but it is the perfect solution... biblical. I think it would work too.
simply revoke their citizenship if that is possible.. take away all rights.
course... if they were given a felony charge and imprisoned for a year... they would lose most of their rights when they got out anyway.
The other problem is that once you open the door to taking away citizenship for crimes... well... Imagine what a hillary or her court would consider as being a crime worthy of losing your citizenship over.... "hate speech"?
lazs
Or imagine how many Democrats/Republicans/rich people would lose their citizenship after their houses get raided for having illegal alien household staff.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
we allow some 2,000,000 in LEGALLY per year... we are the most generous nation in the world in that respect by a longshot... we should round up all illegals from oldest to younges, including anchor babies and ship them back across the border they crossed in cattle cars
Should we make them wear little yellow crosses on their chest and tattoo their arms with numbers?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Should we make them wear little yellow crosses on their chest and tattoo their arms with numbers?
ack-ack
Thats a bit much.:(
How about sombreros?:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Thats a bit much.:(
How about sombreros?:D
bahahahahahaha! maybe instead of yellow crosses just the sombreros and a frito bandito patch...
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namvet... do you believe that we should have borders?
mexicans shoot people who cross their southern border.
xmarine.. I am not sure that your idea would work at all until you first got things under control. To do that you would have to arrest employers on a grand scale for about 6 months and then the cowardly traitors would all stop hiring and then... then you could get a guest worker program going.
And yes... I would love to see some high ranking democrats and republicans and business peoples and... bleeding heart slave trade actors and hollywood peoples homes raided and them hauled off to jail.
We are losing sight of the fact that illegal aliens are a slave trade and a source of death and missery. We are encouraging it..
We are like the crazy cat lady who leaves out bowls of milk for all the "strays".
lazs
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How about letting our soldiers shoot the mexicans with rubber bullets. I bet an M240g firing rubber bullets would sting a bit.
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why not go into the bussineses of people who hire illegals and shoot the employers with rubber bullets? Make it open season on em.
lazs