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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on April 02, 2007, 08:41:39 AM
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Now Ive been to some parties where some unfortunate soul has gotten drunk and passed out and had stuff done to them.
Hell I've been that unfortunate soul
But this is just plain wrong
Bet This Chick Doesnt Make that Mistake Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKJtOpM2yBw)
:eek:
:lol
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All she had to do was take off her shoes
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Thats messed up.
Couldnt help to laugh an bit, but if i saw that now in RL, when i am 30 yrs old, i would probably kick his arse. If i still was twenty i would probably help him do it.
Funny how things change.
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What I saw was a helpless girl getting assulted, not funny at all. Infact, it's criminal if she didn't agree to it.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Thats messed up.
Couldnt help to laugh an bit, but if i saw that now when im 30 yrs old, i would probably kick his arse. If i still was twenty i would probably help him do it.
Funny how things change.
Yea thats pretty much how I felt about it too.
Like I said. Its just plain wrong. But couldnt help but chuckle at it.
Funniest thing I ever saw was a buddy of mine passed out and a couple of girls got together with his girlfriend and put hickys all over his neck and chest.
there had to be 50 of em all over the place
LOL He looked like a leper
dont think he left the house for a week afterwards
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Originally posted by Flatbar
What I saw was a helpless girl getting assulted, not funny at all. Infact, it's criminal if she didn't agree to it.
Yep.
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That was wrong.
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Wrong. Don't agree with it.
I can however agree with drawing on them with a felt tipped marker while they are passed out. Bunch of instructors and I went drunk bowling friday night, and then went back to the club room and watched Borat.
Paul, the guy in question was decorated with noodle's and a few other lovely scribes courtesy of his loving friends. It washed off, of course but we ragged him the next morning saying "Hey, you nick yrself while shaving?"
But shaving, thats a bit far.
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i'd sue the pukes.
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One time we pulled a guys pants down then put Mayo on his butt. Needless to say, he was not happy when he woke up. He never did come back to any of our parties, which was our intention (freeloader).
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Good thing we don't raise up boys to be gentlemen who protect and honor girls, or girls to be ladies who act with dignity and modesty anymore or that kind of woot woot fun and games degradation wouldn't be possible.
Honestly, am I the only father of sons and daughters on the board who is sickened to think that this is the kind of things "friends" do for fun?
I'm frankly horrified at the thought of what teen "fun" in the USA we'll look like in 11 years when my daughter turns 17.
- SEAGOON
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Everyone deserves to get in on the fun.
It came to my mind that it would be very interesting to give old Dad a baseball bat and do a follow up video on the fun had then.
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Originally posted by Vudak
All she had to do was take off her shoes
Unless she's outside. If she's outside, she's in the clear if her shoes are still on.
I have seen several people in the doorway where we didn't know which rule applied.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
I'm frankly horrified at the thought of what teen "fun" in the USA we'll look like in 11 years when my daughter turns 17.
- SEAGOON
If you don't want your daughter to have her head shaved then don't let her get drunk with a lot of 50 other drunk teenagers.
Jeez, I would have thought that would have been self-evident.
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Even in my youth I would have never done anything like that to a female. I hope she sues the hell out of him, because THAT is assault.
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that wasnt right and he needed his butt kicked... that said over the last 25 years or so of military and civilian active drinking and party participation the only rules we followed was anything was allowed as long as it did not cause any damage to anyones property and caused no harm to person or persons, known or unknown and could be easily reversed or cleaned up.
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Hello Drunky,
Long time no type.
Originally posted by Yknurd
If you don't want your daughter to have her head shaved then don't let her get drunk with a lot of 50 other drunk teenagers.
Jeez, I would have thought that would have been self-evident.
Hence my preceding comment about "good thing we are no longer..." etc.
I am however, trying very hard to raise my daughter with a sound Christian worldview, a good apologetical grid that will allow her to filter and apropriately respond to garbage, and, god willing, enough common sense not to do what the girl in the video did.
I'm also frankly warning her about what her father got up to in his former life as a drunken jerk and how having a ton of life experiences you now regret and would rather not be walking around with is not the way to go and that she should strive to live a life that shines like a light in the midst of darkness and my wife and I are praying to that end.
I wish I could say that the culture was 100% behind that effort, but unfortunately the culture, and particularly the "Jacka*s/Bratz/Gangsta/Spring Break" youth culture tends to push as hard as possible in the opposite direction with the drunken head-shaving party being just one symptom. It
Seems to me that when you mix together Nihilism, Hedonism, Selfishness, and "b stoopid or b outcast", you have a deadly cocktail, but our kids are drinking it to the dregs. Does it surprise anyone that when you create millions of disincentives for acting in a responsible manner that you eventually produce a irresponsible generation?
- SEAGOON
(Sorry about having to use the asterisk above, apparently the BB filter hates the MTV show as much as I do)
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I think this video needs some context (or I'm deaf).
Maybe she deserved it? Who's to say she's not a psycho, rampaging hose-beast that kicks dogs and small children while stuffing kittens in a woodchipper?
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Saying charges should be files is pretty sad, lawyers are not the fix for problems like this.
She made the mistake of getting drunk around people she couldn't trust. Maybe she learned something from it.
It was just hair.
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Just hair, what if her job was in retail or something where her appearance mattered? What if she was going to the bank to get a loan in a few days or she was in a wedding party in the near future? Even in combat it is wrong to cause harm to someone who is so obviously down and out.
And if she was Raped it would also be HER fault?
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Originally posted by Xargos
Just hair, what if her job was in retail or something where her appearance mattered? What if she was going to the bank to get a loan in a few days or she was in a wedding party in the near future? Even in combat it is wrong to cause harm to someone who is so obviously down and out.
What if she is a bulldike and likes the cut?
No one was hurt. Bringing lawyers in would be stupid. It was kids doing stupid ****.
The best would be for her to learn something from it and move on, if she lost her job because of it, well she learned a hard lesson about getting drunk with people around you don't know or trust.
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So loosing your job is not important?
P.S. People kill themselves all the time because they lost their job.
P.P.S. Guess the victim is always to blame today.
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Sure it is, but she is a young and in school. She will live and it will teach her a lesson if your fantasy is true, or she can get a wig.
Either way all the needs to be done is learn from it and move on. Anything else is simply a ridiculous over reaction.
If it was a dude who got his head shaved NONE of you would care.
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Have you ever tried to shave the head of an inmate by force? Hair means allot to some people. I can promise you that many men would kill you if you cut their hair.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
If it was a dude who got his head shaved NONE of you would care.
you know, you're probably right. I was raised we didnt pick on girls (not that way anyway) and I have three daughters, 24, 18, and 10 and one son, 16. If it happened to him I'm pretty sure I'd tell him lesson learned, suck it up, its only hair it'll grow back. but if it happened to one of my daughters I'd want somebody's ass, no lawyers though...
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Originally posted by Airscrew
you know, you're probably right. I was raised we didnt pick on girls (not that way anyway) and I have three daughters, 24, 18, and 10 and one son, 16. If it happened to him I'm pretty sure I'd tell him lesson learned, suck it up, its only hair it'll grow back. but if it happened to one of my daughters I'd want somebody's ass, no lawyers though...
Standard fatherhood type behavior to think you'd come down hard on anyone who hurt your daughters.
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Hi GTO,
There is nothing even mildly right about what happened in this video from beginning to end.
1) The kids look either underage or just barely legal.
2) Getting so drunk or stoned you pass out is wrong.
3) Hanging out with people who respond to your passing out from excessive alcohol consumption by wondering how they can best take advantage of you for their own enjoyment is also wrong.
4) Shaving someone's head and covering them in Magic Marker symbols because they have passed out and can't do anything to stop you is also wrong (yes, even if its a guy)
5) Filming the event and then posting it on Youtube is also wrong.
What part of this seems right?
This is the kind of fun that often ends up with someone dead from alcohol poisoning. As adults, we are supposed to be trying to steer our kids away from stupid activities that can get them injured, molested, or killed.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
you know, you're probably right. I was raised we didnt pick on girls (not that way anyway) and I have three daughters, 24, 18, and 10 and one son, 16. If it happened to him I'm pretty sure I'd tell him lesson learned, suck it up, its only hair it'll grow back. but if it happened to one of my daughters I'd want somebody's ass, no lawyers though...
I am fine with you wanting to kick some ass, lol. I just think bringing lawyers in is totaly stupid.
It was kids being kids.
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Well i feel for the ones who have doughters, growing into their teens.
In an age with.
College F*ck Fest
Girls Gone Wild
J*ackAss
That Austrailian J*ackass show
Reality TV shows
American Idol type of shows
As the norm and influence to kids today it cant be easy to be an father. I always wondered how an country like USA that is so "Christian" can peddle out so much filth.
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I bet that kid in that video wouldn't walk into an inmate cell on deathrow with those clippers in his hands by himself.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi GTO,
There is nothing even mildly right about what happened in this video from beginning to end.
1) The kids look either underage or just barely legal.
2) Getting so drunk or stoned you pass out is wrong.
3) Hanging out with people who respond to your passing out from excessive alcohol consumption by wondering how they can best take advantage of you for their own enjoyment is also wrong.
4) Shaving someone's head and covering them in Magic Marker symbols because they have passed out and can't do anything to stop you is also wrong (yes, even if its a guy)
5) Filming the event and then posting it on Youtube is also wrong.
What part of this seems right?
This is the kind of fun that often ends up with someone dead from alcohol poisoning. As adults, we are supposed to be trying to steer our kids away from stupid activities that can get them injured, molested, or killed.
Seagoon
Where did I say I thought any of it was "right"? I am not defending the punk kid who did it. I am simply pointing out it was her choice to do these things, to be there and to drink, she made her bed, she is responsible for it.
Again, bringing in law enforcement would just be a waste of time an money. People need to learn things about life on their own. I hope she learned a lesson, maybe the boy who did it to her learned his when her boyfriend kicked his ass. Who knows, its just a video of kids doing what they do.
This is the kind of fun that often ends up with someone dead from alcohol poisoning. As adults, we are supposed to be trying to steer our kids away from stupid activities that can get them injured, molested, or killed.
I fully agree. Everything I see in that video is partly the parents fault for not raising their children right, the girl just as much as the boy.
Its not law enforcement or the governments job to do that though. Nor should they be called in when the only harm done is a shaved head. Rape yes, death by booze yes, even busting up the party because of under age drinkers.
But arresting and charging someone with a crime that COULD ruin their lives because a stupid girl with poor judgment got together with a bunch of other kids with poor judgment is stupid.
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And Columbine was just kids being kids too I guess.
And now that boy thinks it's fine to do whatever he wants because he was not punished for it.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
What I saw was a helpless girl getting assulted, not funny at all. Infact, it's criminal if she didn't agree to it.
Agree
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Originally posted by Xargos
Have you ever tried to shave the head of an inmate by force? Hair means allot to some people. I can promise you that many men would kill you if you cut their hair.
I avoid jobs that have me rolling around on the ground with men.
If thats your cup of tea more power to you.
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Thats just out of order. Idiots.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
If it was a dude who got his head shaved NONE of you would care.
hair has a completely different social meaning for chicks. A guy can shave his head and he looks ok. A chick does it and people think eithers shes a dyke, a freak, or on cancer treatment.
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Originally posted by Xargos
And Columbine was just kids being kids too I guess.
You really are not all that bright if you make the leap from booze and hair clippers to guns and bombs.
You can rant all you want about men’s hair and how you risk your life cutting it, it will still be a point with no relevance, we are not talking about you or your job. We are talking about teens and young 20s kids partying a little hard and doing stupid ****.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
hair has a completely different social meaning for chicks. A guy can shave his head and he looks ok. A chick does it and people think eithers shes a dyke, a freak, or on cancer treatment.
Again she can get a wig, what real damage was done? What damage would you say was done that requires arrests and charges by the local DA?
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Originally posted by Seagoon
This is the kind of fun that often ends up with someone dead from alcohol poisoning. As adults, we are supposed to be trying to steer our kids away from stupid activities that can get them injured, molested, or killed.
Kids are kids. If we don't **** up occasionally, and even don't **** up massively very rarely, we will have learned nothing.
You did the same.
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A crime is a crime no matter how you try to justify it.
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You know who to blame for this crime?
The internet, more specific, Youtube.
The idea probably entered those guys mind like this "Lets shave her head and film it and post it on the Intardnet"
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Originally posted by Xargos
A crime is a crime no matter how you try to justify it.
LOL What crime would that be?
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I personally agree with GtoRA2 that there should not be lawyers/the law involved in a case like this (those kids definately need a good ol' bellybutton whooping, however).
BUT, I'd just to throw a few hypotheticals out there...
If the law WAS brought in, and the kids were convicted, just how do you figure they should be punished?
If the case went to Civil Court (she sued them), just how much should she be rewarded?
IMO, anything more than community service would be overboard.
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Assault. And I bet a judge would see it that way too.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I personally agree with GtoRA2 that there should not be lawyers/the law involved in a case like this (those kids definately need a good ol' bellybutton whooping, however).
BUT, I'd just to throw a few hypotheticals out there...
If the law WAS brought in, and the kids were convicted, just how do you figure they should be punished?
If the case went to Civil Court (she sued them), just how much should she be rewarded?
IMO, anything more than community service would be overboard.
If it was my daughter and your son what will you prefer ?
A judge or my baseball bat in your face plus in your son face ?
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Someone needs to inflict some serious pain on that punk.
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I wouldn't sue nor go after the punk myself. I would simply hire professionals to show him the err of his ways.
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I do beleive this video is a fake as far as the girl probably allowed it to happen for the sake of theatrics. She dont really look like a comatose drunk to me.
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I hope your right WhiteHawk.
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I agree with Xargos!!!!!111ONETWO
GODSPEED HAIR!!!
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Originally posted by straffo
If it was my daughter and your son what will you prefer ?
A judge or my baseball bat in your face plus in your son face ?
Hey now, just because your kid can't deal with it without getting dad involved, don't go draggin me into it ;)
If you honestly think a baseball bat to someone's face is quid pro quo for this situation, you've bigger issues than the punk that shaved her hair in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure a judge would agree to that one, too.
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Dang now I have to go off on a rant.
If, and this is a big hypothetical if, that were my daughter and I could prove who did it to her you know who I would blame? ME. That's right me because I didn't teach her before she got in that situation how not to have bad things happen to her. I also blame all the other parents out there who are not raising and controlling their little spawns of satan. And I would come down on the parents of the kids that allowed that to happen on their property.
Will my kids mess up? Absolutely!!! If it was my son doing the shaving he'd have a whole lot more to worry about than a baseball bat in the face from an angry father, a boyfriend, or a judge. He'd be worried about what the repurcussions would be from me and they would not be pretty.
Parents need to get their noses out of the television or whatever the heck they do these days and spend time with their kids teaching them right from wrong. Frankly I probably do a crappy job of it compared to some guys I know that are raising kids and look up to. But I can say with some certainty that if my kids get involved in that kind of bs while they're living in my house it won't be because they weren't warned what could happen and weren't being watched and guided by me.
Now that said once my daughter is of legal age and she decides to get drunk to that point at a party and gets her head shaved I'm just going to look at her and say 'well, what did you expect? I warned you this could happen so now you need to stand on your own two feet and handle the situation.'
Same goes for my boys. Call me from the tank because you got a DUI? Okay.. see you tomorrow and you owe me $150 for bail money.
Of course that's just me
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The girl was stupid enough to drink enough to pass out.. she's lucky she didn't end up in a bukkake video. Seems to me nobody got hurt... lesson learned.
All you chest puffing blowhards who would whoop this arse or beat this head with a baseball bat are just that: blowhards. You'd probably be upset that your passed out daughter got her head shaved but grateful that it was the worst she received. Hopefully you'd turn this into a lesson for her instead of adding to the problem by perpetrating more serious crimes. Then again, maybe you are just crappy parents and teach your kids that they are in no way responsible for puttin themselves in unsafe circumstances.
Like someone said: if it was a son... you wouldn't care nearly as much.... blowhards.
I can't speak for the nutjob parents out there who seem to think that no-one is responible for their own actions anymore but were it my son that did the shaving or in any way participated (including as a spectator that allowed this to happen), he'd be contacting the parents of the girl, the girl, and the police if they got involved. Whatever punishment was doled out by the law would have to be taken in a standing position. my son's rear would be too sore to sit on.
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I'm glad you added that last part in Steve. :aok
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Originally posted by Xargos
I'm glad you added that last part in Steve. :aok
Maybe he'd have his head shaved when he went before the judge.
hmmmmmm
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With or without hair, your daughter is probably a potato if shes passing out drunk at parties in the midst of several guys.
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Or was just given sedatives, or was the really shy type that broke down and didn't know what to expect or how to judge her sobriety, or anything in between those and being a potato.
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That has not been my experience Moot. For whatever reason, the majority of girls whom I've partied with who have drank until passing out have had very loose morals. I've never been around a girl whos been on sedatives (at least not one whos taken them involuntarily or unknowingly), but those girls who are shy or who are unfamiliar with drinking have never passed out at any parties I've been to. Usually the shy ones don't drink much at all, and those unfamiliar with drinking drink until they puke.
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What makes me curious are where in the hell were this girl's friends?
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:lol They were potatos, too. They left her out of their sight on purpose.
Ribbing ya, AShrimp.. My experience is different from yours, so either or both of our experiences are exceptions to the norm... in either case, I really doubt a teen that gets him/herself plastered is potato-ish irregardless of whether they had the presence of mind of scanning the mind of everyone in the vincinity for the tiniest clue that they will do that sort of prank once said teen is plastered..
It's just not a realistic point of view. Inexperienced people always do foolish things. Innocence is not a wrong. I don't believe the sort of thing in that video is "most likely" intentional.
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what a joke!
you people really need to stop taking appearances so seriously.
who gives a toss if some drunk girl walks round with a crew cut for a month?
to liken this to rape and assault?
insanity.
I would never take part in shaving a girls head, but seeing it on that video just made me laugh and think of party time back in the day.
the only slightly shocking thing is that they were too grapefruit arse to stick around once she woke up and record her reaction to finish the effect for us people to laugh at.
assault? yeah and i suppose the woman who sued macdonalds because her coffee burnt her was within fairplay also?
im late in here but man im amazed at the patheticaly humanitrian standpoint most of you took.
as was said on page one 'Its only hair'
are there really people on this planet so completely self absorbed by thier own appearance to care about a shaved head for a month?
kill herself cos she lost her job? LOL. if so better dead than alive, an existance that lame should be terminated.
ah well.
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html
http://www.vermillion.k12.sd.us/High/guidance/suicide.htm
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It was bad but....
there is another way to look at it. The girl may have to confront the whole situation when she sobers up..
She may never drink or drug again to the point of being impaired... this may save the lives of an entire family that she would have smashed her car head on into while passed out drunk some time in the future.
She may decide that she will never hang out with the people at that party again... she may end up not hanging around with scum at all while she continues to mature.. she may go to school and get a decent job and husband.
It may have been a life changing experiance for the best..
Then again... she may just use it as an excuse to stay loaded till her hair grows back and she can think of a new excuse to stay loaded.
lazs
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If it was my daughter and your son what will you prefer ?
A judge or my baseball bat in your face plus in your son face ? - Straffo
:aok it would be satisying, but your wife and child would have to visit you at a French penal colony :)
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I'm with GTO on this too.
It was a stupid stunt that went WAY over the line IMO. We've seen guys pass out at WB/AH cons and have things drawn on them too. This stunt did go farther than I am confortable with. But the girl here iexhibited unsound judgement for putting herself in such a bad position with other kids that she (obviously) could not trust to use sound judgement. Frankly, being in such a vulnerable position around such delinquents she's lucky worse things weren't done to her.
I am also amazed that folks here call hair cutting "assault" then respond that a "baseball bat to the face" would be an appropriate response.
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I am also amazed that folks here call hair cutting "assault" then respond that a "baseball bat to the face" would be an appropriate response. - Edbert
i'm not amazed at it Edbert. i understand it. its just that the theraputic dose of baseball bat to the face is too close to the lethal dose, and who needs the legal aggravation?
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Originally posted by Xargos
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html
http://www.vermillion.k12.sd.us/High/guidance/suicide.htm
shocking. sad and shocking.
still, i have no sympathy for suicides.
taking another life is a grievous crime, taking your own life is almost always cowardice. There may be situations where bullying or serious abuse can lead to a suicide and that is a truly sad state of affairs. Pumped up little rich kids that dont get the right shoes for a party and fall into helpless suicidal spirals are better looked at with certain disdain. a girl with a shaved head who kills herself is not worth caring about.
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I had someone hang himself on my cell block and it made me realize how fragile the human mind can be. I sometimes blame myself for not checking up on him enough. I don't think you guys realize how the smallest things can ruin some peoples lives. It's a shame yes, but it's a fact.
P.S. Something that might not mean anything to you can mean everything to someone else.
P.P.S. I'm not going to reply to this thread any longer.
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Hi Laser,
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Kids are kids. If we don't **** up occasionally, and even don't **** up massively very rarely, we will have learned nothing.
You did the same.
Forgive the late reply, I wasn't ignoring, just didn't spot your post.
I hope you'll also forgive me but I think that trial and error is the worst form of childrearing.
For instance, as they are growing up we teach our children not to grab the handle of the boiling pot on the hot stove, not to stick the fork in the electrical socket, not to run into the road after the ball, not to get into cars with strangers, etc. We don't, for instance, expect them to learn simply by putting the toddler into a room with a boiling pot and letting him figure it out without our interference. While third degree burns will undoubtedly teach the little tyke a "massive" lesson he'll never forget, but is that the best way to educate and admonish?
You are right to point out that I went the trial and error route myself, but its only by the grace of God that I'm alive and not in jail today. I can think of at least 2 incidents where my foolishness should have gotten me killed, and several where I could have been arrested, including one where had customs in the US or UK really been on the ball I'd probably have done time. I also really, really, wish today that I had the brain cells and short term memory that I killed, back. I ended up hurting myself and plenty of others by my "screw-ups" and regret heartily many of my decisions.
Personally I don't think that a boatload of regrets, a seared conscience, and maybe an STD or two is what your kids should be graduating or failing to graduate from college or high-school with. I'd rather my sons and daughters learned from Daddy's recounting how unpleasant sticking the fork in the lightsocket was and why we shouldn't do it than by giving them all forks and leaving them alone in the room.
I'd also like to give them a working moral compass that would lead them to see why making decisions like the ones in the video are ethically wrong even if they don't lead to physical or emotional harm every time.
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This to me doesnt look like a pratical joke.Its obviously 1 of 2 things...Staged for the hell of it of one VERY personal attack.Thats not a whim going on there.Way to marked up to just be for fun.Who knows if it is real but if it is,Im gonna go out on a limb here and say theres a real good chance she deserved it.That or did something realy bad to someone and this is a payback.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I had someone hang himself on my cell block and it made me realize how fragile the human mind can be. I sometimes blame myself for not checking up on him enough. I don't think you guys realize how the smallest things can ruin some peoples lives. It's a shame yes, but it's a fact.
P.S. Something that might not mean anything to you can mean everything to someone else.
P.P.S. I'm not going to reply to this thread any longer.
Xargos, for what it is worth, despite your disinterest in another post here....
i have spent the last 10 years living with the devastating affect acne had on my face and back. im not talking a 6 month rash of tiny pimples, im talking serious mutilation of whole areas of my skin that are scarred so bad the scars have scars. the scarring and distortion is minimal as a life problem, i never wanted to be a pretty boy, but 8 years of constantly having hideous red scars and lumps played a serious mental trauma on me and still does daily. Not to mention the many other ups and downs of life that everyone or most people will go through.
i have considered the futility of all existance entensively and even been near the edge of finding out what the next life would bring.
not everyone who has a harsh opinion is as totaly misguided as you might think, sir.
Your experience is first hand, and your trauma of unfair guilt is a common reaction in a caring heart. however, i never saw, spoke to nor had anything to do with that inmate, and i cannot be affected by it in any way but through seeing your post here.
If my close friend killed themself i would be destroyed, but i would still consider suicide in general in the same light as i do now.
as regards your PS: that something that means so much to someone is nothing to do with me. in the same way anything in my life has nothing to do with them. if i was to be affected by every sadness the world offers i would kill myself almost instantly.
with all respect intended.
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See AquaShrimp, DrDea has yet another possibility.. This video doesn't show enough evidence for any real conclusions, only theoretical discourse..
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seeing as the terrible shaving assault has caused multiple pages of pointless yet liberated debate on these here very forums, should it not have taken place every single reader/poster's lives would have been very slightly different in ways we cannot acurately speculate over.
should time travel enable us to avert the shaving and following video, saving the maiden from almost certain suicide, i wonder how many of us would have knocked a drink over instead of typing a reply.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Laser,
Forgive the late reply, I wasn't ignoring, just didn't spot your post.
I hope you'll also forgive me but I think that trial and error is the worst form of childrearing.
For instance, as they are growing up we teach our children not to grab the handle of the boiling pot on the hot stove, not to stick the fork in the electrical socket, not to run into the road after the ball, not to get into cars with strangers, etc. We don't, for instance, expect them to learn simply by putting the toddler into a room with a boiling pot and letting him figure it out without our interference. While third degree burns will undoubtedly teach the little tyke a "massive" lesson he'll never forget, but is that the best way to educate and admonish?
You are right to point out that I went the trial and error route myself, but its only by the grace of God that I'm alive and not in jail today. I can think of at least 2 incidents where my foolishness should have gotten me killed, and several where I could have been arrested, including one where had customs in the US or UK really been on the ball I'd probably have done time. I also really, really, wish today that I had the brain cells and short term memory that I killed, back. I ended up hurting myself and plenty of others by my "screw-ups" and regret heartily many of my decisions.
Personally I don't think that a boatload of regrets, a seared conscience, and maybe an STD or two is what your kids should be graduating or failing to graduate from college or high-school with. I'd rather my sons and daughters learned from Daddy's recounting how unpleasant sticking the fork in the lightsocket was and why we shouldn't do it than by giving them all forks and leaving them alone in the room.
I'd also like to give them a working moral compass that would lead them to see why making decisions like the ones in the video are ethically wrong even if they don't lead to physical or emotional harm every time.
Of course you don't let your kids find out the bad stuff by ourselves. But we do it anyway. I remember vividly as a kid my mother telling me that the oven was hot. Yet I still wondered myself, and I reached out and grabbed a rack.
But that's free will.
Kids mess up and become better because of it (hopefully).
I regret far more things I did NOT do then the times I got caught with my pants down.