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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on April 02, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
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You folks living in the L.A. area of Kalifornia.
Is there any truth to this???
http://www.sierratimes.com/07/04/02/Frosty.htm
doesn't sound good at ALL!
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Like I've said before, It's an act of war having people come across your borders without permission.
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It's not good at all. In the 6 years I've lived here its gone downhill in a big way. Recently there's been 9 murders and dozens of shootings / injuries as the cholos fight it out on the streets. The number of "day laborers" milling about on the street corners has easily quadrupled.
Have a look at what LAPD does about it; zero thanks to " Special Order 40 "... LAPD officers wont even discuss "illegals".
http://www.judicialwatch.org/so40.shtml
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202236
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Originally posted by Xargos
Like I've said before, It's an act of war having people come across your borders without permission.
No. Not unless they are working for, and under orders from, their government. Civilians illegally crossing the border is not an act of war.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Have a look at what LAPD does about it; zero thanks to " Special Order 40 "... LAPD officers wont even discuss "illegals".
the US needs to issue an "Order 66"
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But they are being told by the Mexican government to come here, so it is an act of war. The Mexican government hand out pamphlets on how to cross our borders, which I see as their marching orders for invasion.
And since their not wearing uniforms they need to be hung as spies.
P.S. The prison I worked at has illegals in it, and they made it very clear to me what their planes where for the American people.
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You sir have a serious misconception of what a war is, but then you Americans use the word “war” for a lot of non-war situations so... In any case, a government is not responsible for the actions of civilians. Nor is it the Mexican government's fault that for some reason the USA seems to be incapable of policing its borders.
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War is when another country tries to take from another's land by force.
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The Mexican government encourages it's people to come here, so how is the Mexican government not responsible?
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Originally posted by Xargos
War is when another country tries to take from another's land by force.
don't go there. it won't be pretty for us. go study up on "manifest destiny" first.
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Guess I'll have to google that.
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Ohh, that. Well I suppose the Irish need to take Gaul back since the Romans forced them from there. and the Turks need to leave their country....How far back should I go?
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Originally posted by Viking
You sir have a serious misconception of what a war is, but then you Americans use the word “war” for a lot of non-war situations so... In any case, a government is not responsible for the actions of civilians. Nor is it the Mexican government's fault that for some reason the USA seems to be incapable of policing its borders.
Not accurate, the Mexican .gov prints pamphlets, paid for by you and I via "foreign aid" that gives instructions on how to defeat our border security and how to send $$ home. Without remittances, the Mexican .gov would collapse. Mexico receives more $$ via remittance then tourism.
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.iadb.org/exr/remittances/new_mexico.cfm
"$10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism."
After working the streets of east LA for 6 years I can tell you many of these people believe "Aztlan" belongs to them regardless of some line on a map and they have massive numbers here in LA.
"What does the immense success of "La Gran Marcha" mean to Mexicanos and other Latinos? It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the White and Jewish power structures."
http://www.aztlan.net/la_gran_marcha.htm
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And their going to do for Kalifornia what they have done for mexico.
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While the actions of the Mexican government are "unfriendly" for sure, they are still not acts of war. And while the Mexican government can encourage civilians to illegally enter the US the civilians still choose to do so freely and are responsible for their own actions.
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So that means the CIA can do anything it wants to in other countries and the U.S. government can't be held responsible?
You did say Civilian.
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Originally posted by Xargos
So that means the CIA can do anything it wants to in other countries and the U.S. government can't be held responsible?
You did say Civilian.
CIA operatives are not civilian. They are agents of the Federal US Government.
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Just like the drug dealers are agents of the Mexican government.
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And captured under-cover CIA operatives have on numerous occasions been "disowned" by the US government for exactly the purpose of denying responsibility for the actions of the agent. It is common practice.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Just like the drug dealers are agents of the Mexican government.
Are they employed by the Mexican government?
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Originally posted by Viking
Are they employed by the Mexican government?
No but the Mexican Govt is employed by the Drug dealers so it's the same thing.
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What about Mexican Army units providing cover for drug smugglers along the Texas border. Videos of this happening have been aired on TV. That isn't an act of war?? How about the Mexican governments protest concerning the US efforts to secure our southern boarder? They've already stated that if the US goes forward with a boarder fence they will take it the UN because it would destabilize their country. What kind of BS is that?
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So what you are saying is that it would be alright if I got a bunch of my friend together and we made strikes into mexico and the U.S. government made no attempts to stop us? And even more the U.S. Government gave us maps on the best places to strike?
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I think its time to call our troops home. Then send them to mexico. Mexico could be states 51 through 58.
Problem solved.
;)
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round them up and send them to vikingland, lets see how mr viking deals with them.
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Originally posted by john9001
round them up and send them to vikingland, lets see how mr viking deals with them.
:aok
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Originally posted by Xargos
So what you are saying is that it would be alright if I got a bunch of my friend together and we made strikes into mexico and the U.S. government made no attempts to stop us? And even more the U.S. Government gave us maps on the best places to strike?
Yes, that would not be an act of war. The US government is not subject to Mexican law.
Edit: Supporting guerillas either financially or logistically has never been considered an act of war against the nation the guerillas are fighting. An act of "unfriendliness" yes, "war" no.
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I don't know what you're all upset about. President Bush just built a new fence on the border. It's all good now.
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Originally posted by john9001
round them up and send them to vikingland, lets see how mr viking deals with them.
We will deal with them like we deal with all illegal immigrants. Put them in camps, process their refugee claims, if any, and then ship them to wherever they came from.
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Yeah you'd do that but if we tried that here in the US, you and the rest of the world would scream bloody murder about how unfairly the US treats illegal immigrants. Look how the world is responding to the US building a fence to protect OUR borders. Every country in south america is *****ing about it. Saying it's unfair that we would even consider keeping the poor and oppressed people of south america from entering our country. It's all a bunch of BS, because we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. I personaly feel that the fact that the president of Mexico went on world wide TV and said he would do everything in his power to prevent a fence from being built on OUR side of the border is a hostile act and should be treated as such.
I think instead of spending the money on a fence that money should be paid to volunters to patrol the boarder and have permission to shoot on sight anyone attempting to cross the border anywhere other than a designated border entry station. Any armed response from the south side of the border should be responded too with maximum force by the US Military and be considered an act of war against the US.
The rest of the world doesn't like it, too damn bad.
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Originally posted by Viking
We will deal with them like we deal with all illegal immigrants. Put them in camps, process their refugee claims, if any, and then ship them to wherever they came from.
Camps?? What kind of camps?? Do they get to practice their religious beliefs while in these camps? Are they given meals that are customary for their specific ethnic background? Do they get free legal representation? If so it sounds like GITMO to me.:aok
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I would not scream bloody murder, and South America is not the rest of the world. In fact I'm more inclined to scream bloody idiots if you don't do something about this problem soon.
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Corruption.
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Originally posted by Viking
We will deal with them like we deal with all illegal immigrants. Put them in camps, process their refugee claims, if any, and then ship them to wherever they came from.
but but what about their civil rights?
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Yes, what about them?
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Originally posted by Viking
In fact I'm more inclined to scream bloody idiots if you don't do something about this problem soon.
Amen Viking, Amen.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Camps?? What kind of camps?? Do they get to practice their religious beliefs while in these camps? Are they given meals that are customary for their specific ethnic background? Do they get free legal representation? If so it sounds like GITMO to me.:aok
These camps are nothing like Gitmo, or gulags or concentration camps. They are facilities the size of schools where each family/individual is given a room where they can live. They are given social security money so they can eat and do pretty much what they want. They are given free medical service just like every other person in Norway, citizen or visitor alike. They are free to leave the camps whenever they like. The only difference between asylum seekers and Norwegian citizens is they are not allowed to work, and they do not have the right to have Norwegian passports.
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Originally posted by Viking
These camps are nothing like Gitmo, or gulags or concentration camps. They are facilities the size of schools where each family/individual is given a room where they can live. They are given social security money so they can eat and do pretty much what they want. They are given free medical service just like every other person in Norway, citizen or visitor alike. They are free to leave the camps whenever they like. The only difference between asylum seekers and Norwegian citizens is they are not allowed to work, and they do not have the right to have Norwegian passports.
So, they can't work, but you give them money?
Does that sound ****ed up to anyone else?
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Allowing illegal immigrants to work is exactly why you have this problem.
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sounds like utopia to me, i get a place to live, money, free medical care, and I'M NOT ALOWED TO WORK. And the chicks are blond.
valhalla.
but i'm not going to eat lutefisk.
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Nor would we force you to John. However, if your asylum application is rejected you will be sent back to the craphole you're coming from, and there are no second chances.
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Originally posted by Viking
Nor would we force you to John. However, if your asylum application is rejected you will be sent back to the craphole you're coming from, and there are no second chances.
Only problem is, the place they send them back to is Mexico, and the next day they are back in the country. You dont have illigal Swedes/Danes swarming your country.
You send em on an plane back to Afrika, and it takes ages for them to get back to your country, and they probably will never be back, because they spent their lifes savings or sold all their property to get to your country in the first place.
You really cant compare the Scandinavian immigration problem or the handling of it against the USA vs Mexico one. Different ball game. Look at the world map to get an understanding of this.
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That is true, but we wouldn't have just done nothing about it if the Swedes came running.
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Then what do you suggest? an Berlin wall? How would Norway solve the problem then? And how many people would it take to police the Norway/Sweden border you think?
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Oh our border runs along a mountain chain, so policing it would require a lot of manpower. We would probably do what the Spaniards have done in North Africa: Build a big fence and use the army to guard it.
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And the army would get to use deadly force to keep em out? If not people would just be trying and trying again wouldnt they?
Btw it would take the most of your army to police that border tough, considering your population amount.
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No, by using guard towers and patroles the number of soldiers could be kept to a minimum. We did have to guard our border with the Soviets back in the old days, so we have some experience with that. It would be a major national undertaking to build a similar system on the Swedish border, but BIG problems usualy takes a BIG effort to fix.
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Yes, and in reallity it would be silly, since in reality you pay the Swedes big big money to immigrate to Norway, to work in everything from restaurants to top IT-positions.
We "invaded" an long time ago.
:aok
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Lethal force? Probably only in self defense. There would have to be camps built at the border for the guards to identify and process the immigrants. We take finger prints and photos (maybe even DNA) of every asylum applicant so identifying those already rejected should be little problem, and we'll just throw them out right there at the border.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Yes, and in reallity it would be silly, since in reality you pay the Swedes big big money to immigrate to Norway, to work in everything from restaurants to top IT-positions.
We "invaded" an long time ago.
:aok
Hehe, it's more like we rent you cheap! ;) :D
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Like my grandfather used to say: "There are only three types of Swedes: Swedethieves, Thiefswedes and Swedes who steal."
J/K :D
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Well, personally i like to steal your women :lol
Norske piger puler best!
J/K !
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Strange how that works ... we want your women. ... ... ... Maybe this immigration thing isn't such a bad thing after all? :D
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Haha!
Hmpf, well i can agree that Swedish women looks an bit better, close call tough, alltough Norwegian ones sounds so damn cute. When they talk i just fall for em.
Thread is now officially derailed.
Back on topic, some Mexican chics are hot too! why are you Americans complaining again you say? :huh
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Originally posted by Viking
While the actions of the Mexican government are "unfriendly" for sure, they are still not acts of war. And while the Mexican government can encourage civilians to illegally enter the US the civilians still choose to do so freely and are responsible for their own actions.
Hmmm....well....shoot....:confused:
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Was reading the radical hispanic comments on how we're ignoring the growing hispanic population in kalifornia. What they fail to realize is that we know quite well what's going on. You see, right now they're dealing with liberal pot smoking hippies who rule kali, and they will probably win there, but what they don't realize is that it is a win-win situation for the rest of us here in this country of ours.
You see, they can have kalifornia and all the nanny state laws and problems they create, if they try to move west they will hit the brick wall of the so-called beer swilling, gun owning rednecks of Texas and Louisiana. Here, we don't take kindly to intrusions and will most certain contain them in kali.
Furthermore, they will do to kali what they have done to their own beloved country and ruin the hell out of it through corruption and greed. So, in 10 years they will be without running water or electricity. In 15 years, when the great quake hits and kali sinks into the ocean, problem solved.
Win-win!
(for those who can't tell this post is riddled with sarcasm------well, some of it is at least)
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
It's not good at all. In the 6 years I've lived here its gone downhill in a big way. Recently there's been 9 murders and dozens of shootings / injuries as the cholos fight it out on the streets. The number of "day laborers" milling about on the street corners has easily quadrupled.
Have a look at what LAPD does about it; zero thanks to " Special Order 40 "... LAPD officers wont even discuss "illegals".
http://www.judicialwatch.org/so40.shtml
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202236
I lived in the San Fernando Valley from childhood , (Burbank, Van Nuys , Canoga Park ) 1944 to 1977, having moved to Crestline CA, lived there from 1977 to 2000, moving to Antelope Valley in 2000 to present . Antelope Valley is just as bad as the San Fernando Valley is , and as soon as we can we are leaving California and never looking back .... It sucks what these bastards have done to lower the standards of life, and living ......
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Originally posted by Viking
I would not scream bloody murder, and South America is not the rest of the world. In fact I'm more inclined to scream bloody idiots if you don't do something about this problem soon.
That's all I needed to hear. I was getting the impression you felt we should keep our borders open. :aok
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Originally posted by Goth
You see, they can have kalifornia and all the nanny state laws and problems they create, if they try to move west they will hit the brick wall of the so-called beer swilling, gun owning rednecks of Texas and Louisiana. Here, we don't take kindly to intrusions and will most certain contain them in kali.
I would think travelling east would be the shorter route to Texas from California or better yet, just have them cross over the Rio Grande and cut out California all together. why add a few extra thousand needless miles to their trip?
ack-ack
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It's funny seeing you "Gringos" whine about Hispanics taking over California and the Southwest, especially when those states used to be part of Mexico, so of course there is going to be a substantial Hispanic population in those states, legal and illegal. Even funnier is that some of those Hispanic families have been in those areas far longer than any of your families even stepped foot in this country.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's funny seeing you "Gringos" whine about Hispanics taking over California and the Southwest, especially when those states used to be part of Mexico, so of course there is going to be a substantial Hispanic population in those states, legal and illegal. Even funnier is that some of those Hispanic families have been in those areas far longer than any of your families even stepped foot in this country.
ack-ack
We'll see how funny it is when the ecomomy of California becomes such a mess from supporting all those parasites who..... oh wait.. that's already happened. Never mind.
I'm not surprised that you find it funny that the quality of life is deteriorating so rapidly in many parts of California due to the influx of illegal aliens. That's the kind of person you are.
Much of Europe was once part of the German empire. Are the Germans entitled, as you have inferred here that the hispanics are, to ruin much of Europe with their dependence on the dole and the criminal portion of their society simply because much of Europe was once part of the empire?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's funny seeing you "Gringos" whine about Hispanics taking over California and the Southwest, especially when those states used to be part of Mexico, so of course there is going to be a substantial Hispanic population in those states, legal and illegal. Even funnier is that some of those Hispanic families have been in those areas far longer than any of your families even stepped foot in this country.
ack-ack
Kinda funny you use the *we were here first* argument. That sword cuts both ways. The Spanish were there before the Mexicans and the Indians were there before the Spanish. So maybe the Mexicans and Americans should both leave and give it back to the Indians?
California is a part of America now, don't like that fact? To bad, it's been part of America for well over 100 years.
*edit* You might want to cease with the racial slurs also. I for one consider the term Gringo derogatory.
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I love the way whites are aloud to be called to be called all sorts of derogatory things but we are not aloud to call them derogatory things.
Your only a racist if your white.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I love the way whites are aloud to be called to be called all sorts of derogatory things but we are not aloud to call them derogatory things.
Your only a racist if your white.
El double standardo
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LMAO! I can start a multi-page thread with all the deregotory names you've called Hispanics in this forum. It's funny seeing the hypocricy in action.
ack-ack
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America is great because of it's diversity. we are a great people because it takes a can do attitude to leave the known and the comfortable for the unknown. for generations those of us who have emigrated to these shores brought our abilities and our pluck to this great land of boundless opportunity. these problems are not new in the American experience. what is new is that never before have government and commerce pandered to the immigrant groups wholesale.
we (our nation) are in a mess and it's of our own making. if you love America refuse to do business with people that promote bi culturalism. if someone answers the phone with "para español marque el dos" send them an email expressing your concern. do it in a polite and articulate manner and do it repeatedly. see if that doesn't have an impact.
don't just whine about this very real problem, engage the culture. 1,000,000 emails per day addressing that topic will get people's attention.
don't think all of us who are Americans by choice, America's great generosity and by God's blessings feel the way akak and others like him do. those folks are basically racist and would divide the culture. they need to be dealt with not by pandering to them but by resisting to give in to their selfish demands.
I agree 100% with what newt gingrich said today addressing some group. the guy is spot on. I was glad to hear it.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
LMAO! I can start a multi-page thread with all the deregotory names you've called Hispanics in this forum. It's funny seeing the hypocricy in action.
ack-ack
I've never called hispanics derogatory names, sorry but you're wrong on this one.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
LMAO! I can start a multi-page thread with all the deregotory names you've called Hispanics in this forum. It's funny seeing the hypocricy in action.
ack-ack
Seeing is believing.....The search option is ^ there...post em....I'd be interested to read all the "derogatory" names you mention.
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If you call a criminal who is Hispanic a criminal, your using a derogatory name?
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Originally posted by Maniac
Back on topic, some Mexican chics are hot too! why are you Americans complaining again you say? :huh
They are sending us all the fat ugly ones:furious
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Originally posted by RedTop
Seeing is believing.....The search option is ^ there...post em....I'd be interested to read all the "derogatory" names you mention.
Yup, me too.
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Most so called "whites" of this country have a considerable amount of Indian blood in them. And there are many blacks around here who have Indian features as well. So I guess this is really is our land after all.
:D
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Originally posted by Xargos
Most so called "whites" of this country have a considerable amount of Indian blood in them. And there are many blacks around here who have Indian features as well. So I guess this is really is our land after all.
:D
At this point in time, it's our land because we were all born here, or immigrated LEGALLY.
America hasn't been called The Great Melting Pot for no reason. Our countries ability to assimilate immigrants into our culture might be unparalleled in all of history.
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Makes me glad I live on an island.
Not one single foreigner has ever walked across the border into Australia ;)
Plenty show up in run down old fishing boats though.
We deal with them in pretty much the same way as Norway does, stick them in a camp, review their application for assylum, and if they genuinely have a reason to be fleeing their own country or government, we welcome them to their new life in Australia.
If their application fails to pass for whatever reason, they get a free ride on a big fancy jet, right back to wherever they came from.
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Originally posted by moot
Corruption.
From the top to the bottom I'm sad to say.:cry
Regards,
Sun
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's funny seeing you "Gringos" whine about Hispanics taking over California and the Southwest, especially when those states used to be part of Mexico, so of course there is going to be a substantial Hispanic population in those states, legal and illegal. Even funnier is that some of those Hispanic families have been in those areas far longer than any of your families even stepped foot in this country.
ack-ack
Ack... I can only speak for me and my heritage ...Oklahoma Band Cherokee Nation ( on my Moms side and Canadian (Britt ) on My dads side. My Great Grand parents (as baby children) were on the trail of tears, My Grandparents on my Moms side came here ( what is now North Hollywood& Studio City ) with Cody and the wild west show, and my grandparents on my dads side came down here from Canada duering the depression era.
But I was raised, schooled and grew-up and worked with & for decendents of some of the original familiys that settled in and around Los Angeles , Like the Alvera's, Zamora's, Guzman's , Medreno's
Talamontez's, Navarro's etc. etc .
I can assure you they are more pissed about the Mexican and American Government's support & Backing of
invasion by the Illegals here, under the banner of the "Socialist/Liberation Party of Mexico" and all the filth, drugs, crime ( MS13, NLR, for example ) and what they are doing to disgrace "their good names & proud heritage , through blind carpet-blanket effect & association" , with the flooding of our jails,hospitals , draining our schools & hospitals, welfare resorces and funds, burning of the American Flag in streets & our country and the quality of safety & life in California, than all the rage express by what you choose to call "Gringo's " living here . .....
Try this some warm cozy summer Friday evening ... Take a stroll along Lankershim Blvd near Victory Blvd in North Hollywood, and do some old fashion window shopping with your family ...... same goes for Downtown LA, Pacoima, Reseda, Van Nuys, Canoga Park, Palmdale, Lancaster, Oxnard, shopping districts etc....
Just watch what happens May 1st thru the 5 th ( week of cinco de mayo) in and around Los Angeles , and then come back here and re-afirm your statements on how funny you think this watermelon is ....
ps (sorry for the louzey spelling ) ....
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Originally posted by john9001
round them up and send them to vikingland, lets see how mr viking deals with them.
It's Gsholz, he "knew all then, and still thinks he does".
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lol I have a fan! :lol