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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 5PointOh on April 02, 2007, 11:07:43 PM
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Ok I know in all fairness ENY might be needed, but I always thought that was the beauty of war, ya know smash the other country cause you have the numbers. Tonight we had an ENY of 26 or so. We had to resort to Piper Cubs and rocks. Couldn't even launch a B-26. So for those of you that help me de ack in TBMs thanks. I guess I really don't have a point other than I and others hate ENY. Whoa...I feel Better
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I have to say I agree with you, but just to let you know, by the time this thread is done your going to be really mad at the comments you are about to get.
be brave.
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yes ..ENY sucks..So does the 12 hour sunste and sunrises
I was denied flying a B-17 and Hurricane 2c one day..ya..great fun
And A Typhhoon!! ohhh thats Satans ride..cant have that!!
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Suffice to say, this isn't war, it's a game, and games are supposed to be fun, and fair. To have an ENY of 26, you'd have to have a staggering numerical advantage, in which case cubs armed with rocks should be more than sufficient.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Suffice to say, this isn't war, it's a game, and games are supposed to be fun, and fair. To have an ENY of 26, you'd have to have a staggering numerical advantage, in which case cubs armed with rocks should be more than sufficient.
On one hand, right on the home page of AH it says, "WWII Combat Experience", so therefore, if it didn't exist in WWII it shouldn't be in the game.
On the other hand, it is a game and I would imagine HT is keeping it fun for everyone.
Personally, I don't believe ENY should exist, but I don't own the game. If the ENY gets outrageous, I go to another arena or just log. Rarely does the ENY get so high I can't find something to fly, somewhere and have fun.
Hitler and Yamamoto would have loved ENY.
Ok, nuff waffeling on my part......lets just up and kill something.
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I think Hitech should have 3 arenas:
Bish
Knit
Rook
No ENY. n00b level drones as enemies. Each country gets to milkrun a different arena and all the vulchtard pretty boys can land 15 kills in La7s to the "attaboyz" of their adoring comrades.
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I for one love eny, and the enwhines it generates.
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Originally posted by 68Boomer
Hitler and Yamamoto would have loved ENY.
:rofl Sig material if you don't mind :rofl
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
yes ..ENY sucks..So does the 12 hour sunste and sunrises
I was denied flying a B-17 and Hurricane 2c one day..ya..great fun
And A Typhhoon!! ohhh thats Satans ride..cant have that!!
Let me guess, Rook ?
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Let me guess, Rook ?
A better guess BISHOP horde night. (monday)
No whine here. Carry on.
Bish go for land grab while I grab as many of there pelts as a Cannon bird will fit.
:aok
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Originally posted by whiteman
:rofl Sig material if you don't mind :rofl
so true.....
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Add me to the list of those who hate ENY.
Instead of not letting you take your perfered airplane, why not just start adding a perk cost. You could fly what you wanted, but it would cost you if you had the bad guys badly out numbered.
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Originally posted by badhorse
Add me to the list of those who hate ENY.
Instead of not letting you take your perfered airplane, why not just start adding a perk cost. You could fly what you wanted, but it would cost you if you had the bad guys badly out numbered.
Now this is an idea...
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Originally posted by badhorse
Add me to the list of those who hate ENY.
Instead of not letting you take your perfered airplane, why not just start adding a perk cost. You could fly what you wanted, but it would cost you if you had the bad guys badly out numbered.
I like this idea.
I don't like eny whiners but perhaps this is feasible. If you want to attack with 2v1 odds and still use your La-7 or Spit-XVI, you have to pay 20 perks for it.
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I really wasn't whining, understand the whole concept of fairness for all in the game. Just perk the planes, I'd spend 40-50 points to fly a B-24s or 26s. I think that would be sufficent. I need to get rid of the bomber perks anyway. The 234 just doesn't do anything for me. And remember if you get hit with a flaming bag of dog poo from a bright yellow Piper Cub, it wasn't me.
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I will start to worry about ENY dont work when there will no ENY whines any more.
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If some could just "muster up the courage to switch countries".
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If some could just "muster up the courage to switch countries".
If my entire squad switched countries every time the ENY was in the crapper then the ENY would shift with us... What's the point?
For me the game is about the people... Switching would stink for me...
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Originally posted by Scca
If my entire squad switched countries every time the ENY was in the crapper then the ENY would shift with us... What's the point?
If your whole squad alone is responsible for ENY, you are steamrolling an underpopulated arena anyway.
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switch sides...problem solved.
the game is about flying with other people...there are people on all 3 countries...it doesnt hurt to fly with them.
if you cant switch sides for what ever reason you decide to make up...quit whining...you made your bed, sleep in it.
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Originally posted by badhorse
Add me to the list of those who hate ENY.
Instead of not letting you take your perfered airplane, why not just start adding a perk cost. You could fly what you wanted, but it would cost you if you had the bad guys badly out numbered.
I like that, to me right now the ENY is not needed more.
I have played from the 2000, and when the ENY was added I thinked "is a BS", I am paying to fly is not my fault if X or Y contry got less numbers than my country but ok, is a level system.
U say "u can change country if don like the ENY" but then, what is the point in this game? the point is bout team play your are in this country cause you like to fly in this country, with this people...
By me is simple with this multiple arena system we don't need more the ENY, taking off the "full arena" is goin to be great.
Well, just thought aloud.
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I have thousands of perks after just a few months, only flying the Tempest on occasion. Using myself as an examply, I could fly perked planes in 3 to 1 odds for ages before it actually effected me. For the folks who have had their accounts for ages, they would probably never really be effected by the perk cost, and therefore using a perking of all planes instead of an ENY limiter simply wouldn't have any effect.
Then again, the horde realizes this, and that is why they continue to ask that it be done. Take Killn's advice.
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I was flying a Hurri MKI the other night defending an airfield and we didn't even have ENY in effect when I started. Later a squaddie couldn't get the plane he wanted because ENY had taken effect so I told him "That's why I'm flying a Hurri I... ENY hardly ever gets to 40".
Seriousy, there's plenty of good planes over 20-30 ENY. Either grab one or switch sides or switch arenas. If ENY has you down it's because you choose to fly with the overpopulated side and you haven't delved deep enough into the plane set to find a suitable substitue for your regular ride (try it, you might like it).
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I guess I'm puzzled...
I understand why you would want to fly any plane you wanted. But why would you want the freedom to fly against no one?
In AH, you have something no boxed sim can give you -- real people to compete against. Its the difference between playing the AI in a Madden football sim, and playing real football outside.
In pickup football, would you really whine so much if your team had 10 players, and the opponenets had 2? If you were one of the 2, would YOU have fun, or would you even keep playing?
So why would you not want to fly against opponents? Because thats what ENY is about. Its about "teams".
And comparing AH to ww2 is, well, stoooopid. In here there are bases that change hands when you have TEN little unarmed troopers glide into a maproom. Supply lines are essentially irrelevant, and there's no limit on either your available weapons or the NUMBER OF LIVES YOU GET.
Are you seeing a pattern?
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109 g-14, eny of 20 and my favorite ride now.
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So ok I poked the hornets nest with a really sharp spork from Taco Bell here. I am one of those people that refuses to change sides. I like the people I fly with (not just talking about squadies either). Ultimately its the people I fly with is why I play. Not to mention endless jokes about sheep. Reflecting back to last night, it really wasn't the flying of the TBM vs. P51D, I often fly the P40. I love the P40. I think I was more frustrated that we were defending a V base with M16s and Jeeps from a dozen 110, and a repeated round robin of bombers. ENY isn't so bad usually on the larger maps, (we were in orange with the map that has large mountain in the center). So with that being said, frustration brought it out of me (not to mention gf nagging to go to sleep) I will never say anything about ENY. Instead I'll say bring on the A26, and the Sherman.
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I like the idea of adding perk cost to fly when you outnumber others. I also understand how it might now work since many have been flying for ever and it might not make a difference.
I was thinking that greatly reducing the points gained from kills when you greatly outnumber others and greatly increasing points gained from kills when you are greatly outnumbered may be more appropriate for everybody. Just a thought.
I dont like the idea of changing countries at all. I mean think of it.. I spend several hours or days even, working with those online with my country trying to coordinate with both fronts and what ever is going on trying to take bases and win. Then just as my team is about to land the sledghammer blow to win the war we should all change sides to support the enemy to thwart our efforts to win the war.
Sounds too much like our current Congress to me. :O
I mean to me it's like the Colts sending their best players over to the Bears in the last 5 minutes of the game to help the Bears out cause they are losing. Just dont make any sense at all to me. :huh
But all in all it's not really that bad to me. Just an annoyance you have to deal with in the game. :cool:
Later,
KayBay
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Originally posted by KayBayRay
I was thinking that greatly reducing the points gained from kills when you greatly outnumber others and greatly increasing points gained from kills when you are greatly outnumbered may be more appropriate for everybody. Just a thought.
I don't know if it applies to ranking/scoring points, but we do have the perk multiplier, which increases perks earned by the outnumbered side(s), and decreases the perk costs for them, while decreasing perks earned, and increasing perk costs for the side(s) with the numbers.
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Originally posted by KayBayRay
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I mean to me it's like the Colts sending their best players over to the Bears in the last 5 minutes of the game to help the Bears out cause they are losing. Just dont make any sense at all to me. :huh
Later,
KayBay
I see it more as a kickaround in the park - some guys turn up and you try to even the numbers. You don't have 40 against 10, you have 25 each.
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ENY is a good system, althought it hurts buffers moreso than fighters in my opinion.
It's really tought to compete when one side has a great numerical advantage, and youre on the low end!
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For the "I am loyal to my chesspiece and refuse to switch sides" types, I have the perfect fix.
Surprised nobody brought this up.
IF you are in an LW arena with a huge numerical advantage, then I bet that in the OTHER LW arena you are in the dog house.
Knit's (or Bish, or Rook) have 50 (insert huge imbalance # here) more players in LW Blue? I bet they are down by 50 players in LW Orange. (or vs. versa)
Change arenas. You still get to be a knit (or bish or rook), and you no longer have ENY to worry about.
Problem solved.
(now here comes the "I don't like the other map" whines")
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Lute, You're right :cool:
If it gets real bad, like to the point where I figure I am just gifting points to the attackers and not really accomplishing anything I usually will just look for somewhere else to go. :cool:
Later,
KayBay
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Hey look, a horse lying over there.
Anyone got a stick?
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Instead of limiting the airplane they should limit the fuel.:rolleyes:
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Yeah, so we can get in any plane we want, but we can't fly past the runway's end! Sounds like great fun!
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I'll switch arenas, then switch SIDES, if need be, to fly my plane (P47N)-- utterly vexes me that it is assigned an eny of FIVE---is it THAT well-used/effective in the arenas? Anyhow, I've switched sides a few times in last couple weeks when Rooks had eny situation in both LW's....had a nice time. There are lotsa good folks, whom otherwise you would never see the good side of, on the other teams
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Originally posted by bj229r
I'll switch arenas, then switch SIDES, if need be, to fly my plane (P47N)-- utterly vexes me that it is assigned an eny of FIVE---is it THAT well-used/effective in the arenas? Anyhow, I've switched sides a few times in last couple weeks when Rooks had eny situation in both LW's....had a nice time. There are lotsa good folks, whom otherwise you would never see the good side of, on the other teams
ENY value seems to be more voodoo than science. Still don't understand why the P-51D is 8 while the Ta-152H and P-47N are 5, etc. Or how the Fw.190D9 is 15! etc.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Yeah, so we can get in any plane we want, but we can't fly past the runway's end! Sounds like great fun!
10-20 players entering an arena would have a dramatic affect on the war.
You get 10-20 players to change arenas and that vulching will go away quick.
You bring 20-50 and you'll see the war suddenly shift.
When sides are even, you have the best fights.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Surprised nobody brought this up.
You missed it. It was one of the three options I outlined at the end of my post.
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Originally posted by Joachim
ENY value seems to be more voodoo than science. Still don't understand why the P-51D is 8 while the Ta-152H and P-47N are 5, etc. Or how the Fw.190D9 is 15! etc.
Gotta agree here. The 47N should NOT be on the same ENY level as an LA-7 or Spixteen, and the 190D-9 should be a little closer to the 51D.
If I were assigning values, I would put both the Dora and the 47N at 10 or 12...but...that's just my .02....
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Originally posted by ROC
Hey look, a horse lying over there.
Anyone got a stick?
I just have an Easton, will it suffice?
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I've got an axe handle. Let's beat this horse til it gets up and runs!
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Originally posted by WMLute
For the "I am loyal to my chesspiece and refuse to switch sides" types, I have the perfect fix.
Surprised nobody brought this up.
IF you are in an LW arena with a huge numerical advantage, then I bet that in the OTHER LW arena you are in the dog house.
Knit's (or Bish, or Rook) have 50 (insert huge imbalance # here) more players in LW Blue? I bet they are down by 50 players in LW Orange. (or vs. versa)
Change arenas. You still get to be a knit (or bish or rook), and you no longer have ENY to worry about.
Problem solved.
(now here comes the "I don't like the other map" whines")
what about when theres only 1 arena worth playing in? (6am-6pm UK time)
yesterday morning, knits was at the bottom of SFMA, getting ganged by bish and rooks yet had a ENY of 15.
thats the only thing ENY doesnt take into account.
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Yes..I dont like small maps
I have played those FOR YEARS..
Seems liek the majority of you posting saying its no problem.."I have thousands of perks"..must not have jobs..or no friends..or no women in your life
I have VERY limited tiem to play AH...I log on..want to figth in the planes I ENJOY
The ENY does nothing but F with my fun
You guys are worried about which country wins?..LMFAO..Who here plays long enuff to see countries win?...I have but it is ver VERY rare
This is a 24 hour game...
The Sunsets Sunrise for 10 hours and the ENY ..is the worst thing in this game
I guess since Im not interested in The Virtual Land Grab BS...I have a different value in the game play..
I like to shoot people