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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: U.S.A.F.Fireman on April 03, 2007, 03:19:52 AM
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If the B-25 is selected as the new aircraft to be put on the game there is a B-25 at the airport where i live that i would like to have a skin made for it. I don't know what type it is but next time i go home i will take a picture of it and anyone up to the challenge i will email them the picture and they can create the skin.
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pppffff IF? you mean when it is thats what we need is another U.S bomber
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bah if were getting another U.S (obviously) then let it be the A-26(B-26)
so much better of a plane.
start a skin for that WHEN it gets picked.
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I'm personally going to lay claim in advance to a PBJ-1 skin in Marine colors...
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Dibs on the parrot head skin, solid-nose J version. There's also an eye-catching RAAF skin for a glass-nosed J with green uppers and black unders (night scheme??) that would look sweet.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Dibs on the parrot head skin, solid-nose J version. There's also an eye-catching RAAF skin for a glass-nosed J with green uppers and black unders (night scheme??) that would look sweet.
Hopefully we get an H model. So, specifically, a PBJ-1H...
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anyone thinking about A26 skins?
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Bah USAAF skin please :aok
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(http://www.web-birds.com/5th/345/499-2profile.jpg)
wrngway
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I'd like to do an RAF version of the B-25, or the P-39 for that matter.
My brother is currently building an R/C B-25. He's intending to do it as "Betty", a solid nose version with a bat painted across the nose. I said I'd make up the decals for him on my PC. Might be fun to do that one as a skin, but it'd depend on which variants HTC give us.
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Dibs, 2sqn RAAF, "Stormbird" KO-Z
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FTJR, most of the "parrot head" ones are from 498th BS, 345th BG, I think.
Here's an example of the J I was thinking of, though:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/202/3/3/16
And here's a BMF with similar markings. I had a model kit of this one a long long time ago:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/202/3/3/25
Seems those guys were using the parrot head waaay back. Here's a D from the same squadron:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/202/3/1/24
I'm not 100% sure on which I'd like to do. I think I'd like to try the BMF one, because the RAAF one has green uppers. That would give me a chance to try both out.
EDIT: wasn't done typing! D'oh!!!
The RAAF one I had in mind I don't have a profile of just yet, but I've got it in a book. It's KO-K, glass nosed, black unders and green uppers. It says "No. 2 Squadron, Royal Australian Air Force, based in north west Australia during spring 1945."
If you'd like "dibs" go for it. I'll work on the parrot head first. (assuming we get the b-25 of course!)
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Edit for x
345th BG "Air Apaches":
498th Bomb Squadron B-25J painted in the "Falcons" scheme of mid-1945
(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6190/4982profileff8.jpg)
499th Bomb Squadron B25J "Betty's Dream" painted in the "Bats Outa Hell" scheme, mid 1945
(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3299/4992profilemz3.jpg)
501st Bomb squadron B25G painted in the "Black Panthers" scheme, mid-1944
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2570/5012profilemm4.jpg)
wrngway
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That Black panthers version rocks.
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Krusty, I was looking at KO-Z. Since its the one I have a few pics of.
Unfortunately the RAAF is/was boring when it came to the camouflage /and painting of their planes. So there is not too much to choose from.
Lets wait and see, I've got a feeling that the P39 is going to win (for which I "dibs" 23sqn RAAF )
Cheers
JR
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I am loving the pics for the air apaches. My Grandfather was in that Squad. 500th bg I wonder if they will allow us to drop a kitchen sink like tha apaches did in the war?
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Dont forget the RAF and others who used it, lotsa skinning possibilities on the B-25. Will have to see what exact varients we get.
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guys what was the name of that bomber found in the desert in africa a few years ago,i can't remember it it was a b25 or not but i know it was found still pretty much intact after sitting in the desert for years?
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I think you're talking about "Lady Be Good". She was a B-24 that got lost and crash landed in Libya.
EDIT: I looked up the Wiki article (here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_be_Good_(aircraft))). Under "Cultural References" it says that there were a couple television shows that told a story similar to that of Lady Be Good, but used B-25's. Maybe that's why you thought B-25.
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Originally posted by rogerdee
guys what was the name of that bomber found in the desert in africa a few years ago,i can't remember it it was a b25 or not but i know it was found still pretty much intact after sitting in the desert for years?
I bet you are thinking of the Twilight Zone episode where they used a B25 in the role of a "Lady Be Good" aircraft found in the desert years later. Ghosts in the plane etc.
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Originally posted by Redragon
I am loving the pics for the air apaches. My Grandfather was in that Squad. 500th bg I wonder if they will allow us to drop a kitchen sink like tha apaches did in the war?
What did your Dad do? Looking at the 345th History a lot today. Toad's father was a pilot in 500th.
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B-25 won the vote, now we just need to wait for word on WHICH version, so we know what to skin!
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
wrngway
Umm, dude! How the heck ya been? Sidetrackin I know but its been a while.
Drano
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Hi everyone. I came across this info about the B-25 in the RAF. I'm at work so I'm not organized with some of my info. Hopefully somebody planning on doing some different skins can use this info. Unfortunately, I dont have any photos with the markings. I came across this article when doing some research on the 305 Polish Bomber Squadron. Like I said, hopefully somebody can find this info useful since I can't skin worth a damn!
Good luck,
Obie :aok
The Royal Air Force (RAF) was an early customer for the B-25 via Lend-Lease. The RAF was the only force to use the B-25 on raids against Europe from bases in the United Kingdom. The USAAF used thse Martin B-26 Marauder for this purpose instead.
The first Mitchells to reach the RAF were 23 B-25Bs which were designated Mitchell I by the RAF and assigned the RAF serials FK161 through FK183. They were delivered in August 1941, and were assigned to No 111 Operational Training Unit based in the Bahamas. These planes were used exclusively for training and familiarization and never achieved operational status.
The first operational B-25s to serve with the RAF were B-25Cs and Ds, which were designated Mitchell II by the RAF. The first operational B-25s for the RAF were a batch of B-25Cs. Some of these were used by No. 13 OTU in England, but again most of them went to No. 111 OTU in the Bahamas. A total of 93 Mitchell Is and IIs had been delivered to the RAF by the end of 1942. The Mitchell II served with No. 2 Group, the RAF's tactical medium bomber force. These planes were assigned to Nos 98, 180, 226 and 329 Squadrons.
The first RAF operation with the Mitchell II took place on January 22, 1943, when six aircraft from Nos 98 and 180 Squadron attacked oil installations at Ghent. Things did not go well at all that day. Flak over the target shot down one Mitchell, and Luftwaffe FW 190s pounced on the formation and shot down two more. Since they figured that they must be doing something wrong, the RAF Mitchell squadrons stood down to improve their tactics. They had to develop extremely tight formations in order to concentrate their bombs and to ward off enemy fighters. The RAF Mitchells generally retained the retractable ventral turret, since protection from below was absolutely essential for medium-altitude operations over Europe.
The RAF Mitchells returned to action on May 13. After the invasion of Europe, all four Mitchell squadrons moved to bases in France to support Allied ground forces. The British Mitchell squadrons were joined by No. 342 (Lorraine) Squadron of the French Air Force in April of 1945.
Altogether, 167 B-25Cs and 371 B-25Ds were delivered to the RAF as Mitchell II. Twelve RAF serial number batches were allocated to the Mitchell II.
The Mitchell II was also issued to No. 320 (Dutch) Squadron in September of 1943. This squadron had been formed in June 1940 from personnel of the Royal Dutch Naval Air Service who had fled to England following the occupation of Holland by the Germans. They carried out operations in Europe against gun emplacements, railway yards, bridges, troops, and other tactical targets. 320 Squadron moved to Belgium in October 1944 and flew tactical missions from there until VE Day.
No 305 (Polish) Squadron flew Mitchell IIs from September to December 1943 before transitioning to Mosquitos.
The RAF was allocated 316 B-25Js as Mitchell IIIs. Deliveries took place between August 1944 and August of 1945. However, only about 240 of these planes actually reached Britain, with some being diverted to No. 111 OTU in the Bahamas, some crashing during delivery and some being retained in the USA.
The Mitchell IIIs that did reach Britain were issued as replacement aircraft for 2 Group's Mitchell IIs from November 1944, although two Group squadrons retained the Mk II since they regarded it as having a better control response than the Mk III because it was lighter.
On January 1, 1945, No. 80 Squadron lost 13 Mitchells on the ground during the Luftwaffe's New Year's Day raid on Allied airfields on the Continent.
In addition to the 2nd Group, the B-25 was used by various second-line RAF units in the UK and abroad. In the Far East, No. 3 PRU, which consisted of Nos. 681 and 684 Squadrons, flew the Mitchell (primarily Mk IIs) on photographic reconnaissance sorties.
The Mitchell II and II soldiered on into the post-war period, there still being 393 Mitchells on RAF rolls as late as December 1945.
A total of 910 B-25s went to Britain under Lend-Lease, but some were returned at the end of the war. Unfortunately, the correlation between RAF and USAAF serials is largely unknown.
RAF serials of Mitchell I, II, and III:
FK161/FK183 Mitchell I (B-25B)
FL164/FL218 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FL671/FL709 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FL851/FL874 Mitchell II (B-25C) Delivery of FL859 only confirmed
FR141/FR207 Mitchell II (B-25C)
allotments to Dutch forces as follows:
FR141/FR145
FR156/FR157
FR159/FR161
FR163
FR168/FR171,
FR190/FR200
FR208/FR209 Mitchell II (B-25G)
FR362/FR384 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FR393/FR397 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FV900/FV939 Mitchell II (B-25D)
FV940/FV999 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FW100/FW280 Mitchell II (B-25C)
FW220, FW237, FW246, FW251, FW259, FW260, FW272,
FW274, FW278/FW280 held in Canada for RCAF
HD302/HD345 Mitchell II (B-25D)
HD310,H/HD315, HD317/HD320, HD322/HD326,
HD221/HD335, HD337/HD345 retained in Canada
for RCAF
KL133/KL161 Mitchell II (B-25D)
MA956 Mitchell II (B-25C) ex Dutch
MA957 Mitchell II (B-25C) crashed at sea Nov 1944.
HD346/HD400 Mitchell III(B-25J)
KJ561/KJ800 Mitchell III(B-25J)
KJ774, KJ777/KJ783, KJ785, KH787/KJ792, KJ795/KJ799
diverted to USAAF.
KP308/KP328 Mitchell III(B-25J) - all returned to USA
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Originally posted by Drano
Umm, dude! How the heck ya been? Sidetrackin I know but its been a while.
Drano
I know of whom you speak and I am not him. I am nowhere near his ability but I did fly with him once or twice in AW.
wrngway
(a different one)
we now return you to your thread.
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
I know of whom you speak and I am not him. I am nowhere near his ability but I did fly with him once or twice in AW.
wrngway
(a different one)
we now return you to your thread.
Then why would you use the handle AWwrgwy? You his son or something? I only ever knew of one of them in AW.
Drano
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Originally posted by Drano
Then why would you use the handle AWwrgwy? You his son or something? I only ever knew of one of them in AW.
Drano
You're talking about WW, right? From AW in the beginning onward? I always figured he is -THE- wrongway. I'm just another wrongway. I was wrgwy in AW from AOhelL to the end. I flew mostly RR A-26's, a little FR and all the scenarios I could get.
I've been mistook for him often, certainly not based on ability.
So, if it is me, refresh my memory. I think I'm suffering from premature alzheimers. Things don't stick as well as they once did.
wrngway
(now, again, back to your previously scheduled thread)
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
You're talking about WW, right? From AW in the beginning onward? I always figured he is -THE- wrongway. I'm just another wrongway. I was wrgwy in AW from AOhelL to the end. I flew mostly RR A-26's, a little FR and all the scenarios I could get.
I've been mistook for him often, certainly not based on ability.
So, if it is me, refresh my memory. I think I'm suffering from premature alzheimers. Things don't stick as well as they once did.
wrngway
(now, again, back to your previously scheduled thread)
Nah you'd definitely remember me ifluff'n you were him. We were squaddies.
Drano
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Well Guppy he was a tail gunner radio operator in the 500th.
got a lot of info about them in the book Warpath Across the Pacific. Has a painting of the tondelayo on the front cover. I can try to scan some color schemes from the book and post them. i also think i might be able to find the picture i have of the apaches that dropped the kitchen sink as well. there are also a few combat pictures of the 500th in the old Impact magazine. I believe there are 2 different issues that have them in it.
I have been looking for more on the Rough Raiders ever since my grandfather passed.
But as far as skins let me find my book and get to scanning. got a lot of paint schemes in there. Only thing he told me about the paint schemes was that once they got the plane near combat they stripped em to the metal with just nose art and insignias.
(http://www.irandpcorp.com/images/preview2.jpg)
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here are a few pictures i found on the web but i will try to scan the others
(http://www.airwar-worldwar2.com/images/WPp193.png)
(http://www.airwar-worldwar2.com/images/WPp216.png)
(http://www.airwar-worldwar2.com/images/WPp131.png)
here is a link to 345th BG website
http://web.cortland.edu/van/345thBombGroup.htm
(http://www.web-birds.com/5th/345/500th_3.htm)
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500th
(http://www.web-birds.com/5th/345/500-3profile.jpg)
(http://www.web-birds.com/5th/345/500-2profile.jpg)
(http://www.web-birds.com/5th/345/500-1profile.jpg)
RAF Markings
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/B25_CWHM_Hamilton_Ontario_1.jpg/800px-B25_CWHM_Hamilton_Ontario_1.jpg)
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Here is a restored B 25 with the markings of the Tondelayo.
(http://www.collingsfoundation.org/media/press_images/b25-pm1.jpg)
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I'd like a Stab at the 310Th BG/ 57TH Bomb Wing "Miss Mitchell" (assuming that its relevant for the model of B25 we get.
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Originally posted by FTJR
Unfortunately the RAAF is/was boring when it came to the camouflage /and painting of their planes. So there is not too much to choose from.
They might not have had much variety, but what they had didn't look too shabby!
I definitely want to see the black unders/green uppers in the game at some point. Are you calling "dibs" on that skin? :P (don't let me stop you! It's yours if you want!)
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Well thats the question I asked you :)
I was going to do KO-Z and you're talking about KO-K. I think I'd like to have a go at - Z, Olive Drab and Neutral Grey.
So "dibs" KO-Z :)
Ciao
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They Dropped everything AND the kitchen sink!!
(http://500thbsq-b25s.com/photosthen/sink.jpg)
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Thought you might like to see some pics of my brother Dave's R/C B-25. The base aircraft is from YT International but he's heavily modified it. The landing gear is fully scale and the doors even close back up once the gear's down like the real plane. The tail hinge lines now have balance weight insets and he's added dummy radials and cooling vents for the cowlings. Even the landing lights work! Power is from a couple of Saito 82s. Cockpit and turret detailing is next on the list.
Eventually its going to become Betty's Dream, as shown below. Assuming we get this version, this is the B-25 I'd like to skin.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots2/RCB-25.jpg)
(http://www.midwaysailor2.com/blaine2/mitchell-006b.jpg)
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Runs in the family hey Greebo :)
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bump
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Well, in the main forum Waffle just showed a (brief) in-flight film and fired a big nose cannon at an ack gun.
Looks like we got a G/H model.
That screws up all my skin choices! :cry