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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: M36 on April 04, 2007, 07:36:28 AM
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High School in 1973 vs 2006
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Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking
lot with rifle in gun rack.
1973 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a
look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and
gets his own rifle to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lock down, FBI called,
Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his
truck or gun again. Counselors called in
for traumatized students and teachers.
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Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist
fight after school.
1973 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and
Mark shake hands and end up best friends.
Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested,
nobody expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests
Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault,
both expelled even though Johnny started it.
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Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class,
disrupts other students.
1973 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good
paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin.
Becomes a zombie. School gets extra
money from state because Jeffrey
has a disability.
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Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's
car and his Dad gives him a whipping.
1973 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal,
goes to college, and becomes a successful
businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy
removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's
sister is told by state psychologist that she
remembers being abused herself and
their Dad goes to prison. Billy's Mom
has affair with psychologist.
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Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes
some headache medicine to school.
1973 - Mark shares headache medicine with
Principal out on the smoking dock.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school
for drug violations. Car searched for drugs
and weapons.
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Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1973: Pedro goes to summer school,
passes English, goes to college.
2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state progressive
political party. Newspaper articles appear nationally
explaining that teaching English as a requirement
for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action
lawsuit against state school system & Pedro's
English teacher. English banned from core
curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway
but ends up mowing lawns for a living
because he can't speak English.
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Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers
from the 4th of July, puts them in a model air-
plane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called.
Johnny charged with domestic terrorism,
FBI investigates parents, siblings
removed from home, computers
confiscated.
Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list
and is never allowed to fly again.
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Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess
and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his
teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1973 - In a short time Johnny feels
better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator
& loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison.
All in the name of progress!
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You know that could have been funny if it wasn't true.:(
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for a lot of us it is very sad. We let the women and socialists run the place and this is what they have done with it.
Any boy who acts like a boy in school gets drugged these days. 1984 and "brave new world" have collided and this is what we got.
Ya gotta ask... does making everyone wear seatbelts set a good precident or a bad one? I say a bad one... a very bad one... once you feel that other peoples liberty is yours to vote on.. that we live in a democracy... it is the beginning of the end.
Letting women vote was probly the real beginning of the end tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by M36
High School in 1973 vs 2006
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Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking
lot with rifle in gun rack.
1973 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a
look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and
gets his own rifle to show Jack.
Well..............a little different.
High School in 1970.
Scenario:Jack pulls into school parking
lot with rifle in gun rack and two coyotes and a bobcat that have been taken before school.
Jack tells superintendent he needs to take off from school to go collect the cash for the hides.
Superintendent tells Jack that is not possible.
Jack tells superintendent to screw off.
Jack gets expelled from school for three days.
Jack goes to Paris Fur And Hide , collects money for hides, then makes a run to the local bootlegger.
Jack picks up chick after school and gets laid on dirt road that night.
All is good.
Super is POed at Jack as was the norm.
Jack has a smile that cannot be washed off with a wire brush and Boraxo.
Life is good.
:aok
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Originally posted by Xargos
You know that could have been funny if it wasn't true.:(
You got that right!
its a damn shame how things are being run right into the ground.
eventualy when "our" generation" gets to old or totaly dies out the whole country is going straight to crap:cry
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
You got that right!
its a damn shame how things are being run right into the ground.
eventualy when "our" generation" gets to old or totaly dies out the whole country is going straight to crap:cry
I believe Socrates said the same thing. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Letting women vote was probly the real beginning of the end tho.
lazs
This is where it all began.
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I remember all the fights I got into as a teen and half the guys I became friends with. It is ashame that the kids of today will miss out on true male bonding.
And I did not mean that in a gay way. :p
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Originally posted by SIK1
I believe Socrates said the same thing. ;)
and he was right.
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Most of the boys in school had rifles or shotguns in their cars during hunting season and it wasn't that uncommon at other times either. Never any problems.
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Lets go back to 1964 high school.
This punk pulls a switch-blade on me. Before he has a chance to do anything, I give a boot to his gonads and he is jumped by 5-6 guys and and has the she!t beat out of him. He never pulled a knife on anyone else after that. No repercussions from the authorities either.
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It's funny but a blade will scare me more then a gun. I know it's stupid.
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Originally posted by SIK1
I believe Socrates said the same thing. ;)
Right before he was heard to say:
"I drank what?!"
Situation only going to get worse. SS will take larger chunk of national budget. Baby boom generation block will vote to keep and extend their own benefits at the cost of current and future generations education and care as well as national infrastructure. Kids get dumber. Bridges collapse.
'Blood for Oil' will continue to be national policy until the lid finally comes off in the Middle East and all western economies crash when a barrel of oil costs over $150 (US).
Sure glad I decided to not have children.
Amazing how many things me and my friends did 20 to 30 years ago would in this day and age have us labeled as terrorists, expelled from school, and locked up somewhere on heavy medication.
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Yeah, school is pretty fun these days.
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I have go to say as a current student in High School M36 is right.
At my school if someone comes and starts pounding the crap out of your face and is likely to really cause damage and you swing back and knock him out this is what happens. The guy that hit you gets suspended for 3 days then gets a week on In-House. The guy that defended his head and did nothing gets a week of In-House. Both get in trouble even when one started it.
Okay heres another one. We are all seating in class learning. Someone knocks on the door. Teacher opens the door and it is a Campus Police officer and a guy with a dog. Kids look at door and turn their heads and look at the druggies. One kid is still sleeping. Teacher says okay class line up in the hall. Kid sleeping wakes up and yawns. Guy with dog sees this kid yawn. Dog enters room with the guy. Campus Police officer stands out in the hall and guards the door. All our quite. Guy walks back out and tells the kid that yawn to come with him in the class. They guy says to the kid, Did you put anything in your mouth and swallow it when I entered? The kid says no sir. Are you sure because I saw you put something in your mouth. The kid said I just yawned sir. Okay what ever, next time I'm watching you. All the kids come back in and miss out on 10 mins of learning.
OH yea. We have to wear an ID card around our necks at all times. There stricked about it at the beginning of school but they slack off later on in the year. The IDs are not a bad idea if you don't want kids from other schools on the campus grounds, but its real easy to buy another ID for $5. Give that ID to a drug seller and then no one will know.
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Sounds like you live in a rough neighborhood or something Voodoo, we have strict rules at my school but the "security" says they can memorize faces so we don't have to wear ID cards. The drug dog is rarely ever used at school, at least I haven't seen it very much and it has never been used to search kids specifically to my knowledge. It's pretty much known who does drugs and they really don't care.
The fighting though is true, however, the instigator is the one that takes the brunt of the punishment but tickets are handed out the second someone takes a swing at another person. You have to go to court for those too, it's not just paying a fine and going on with life.
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I graduated in 2000, just simply change the 06 to 00 :(
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It's funny but a blade will scare me more then a gun. I know it's stupid. - Xargos
no it isn't stupid. if an attacker from a knife culture is 25' away from you and wants to stick it in you, or slash you, they can do it well before you can draw your gun. slow motion cameras show that you need to immediately recognise the threat and start backstepping while drawing your weapon to stop the threat just in time. that is if you are cool and can shoot and hit what you are pointing at.
also, you must be psychologically prepared to face the fact that there will likely be lots of blood and severe injuries to your hands and arms during your fight to survive if you fail to hit your attacker.
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Is there a rule somewhere that every mook has to post this?
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Most of the boys in school had rifles or shotguns in their cars during hunting season and it wasn't that uncommon at other times either. Never any problems.
that still happens in the high school i graduated from on occasion. more than once kids got let out of class to go pull someones quad or 4x4 out of the mud. i know some kids set off fireworks outside of school once, cops did the mandatory drive past, but nobody got in trouble...
the other high school i went to, i gave a much needed hiding to some stupid punk, got off with a warning while the other kid was suspended for 3 days and didnt show up for another week. my marks jumped in all my classes after that ...:lol
we did have drug dogs come through, and "random" (the high schools were small enough that the teachers knew who did what) locker checks, but only 1 or 2 people ever got caught...everyone just kept there drugs in a their or a friends car.
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Originally posted by vorticon
we did have drug dogs come through, and "random" (the high schools were small enough that the teachers knew who did what) locker checks, but only 1 or 2 people ever got caught...everyone just kept there drugs in a their or a friends car.
That just reminded me of a school board meeting I attended once. I was there in support of a friend`s daughter who had just been suspended. She was a senior and was dating a boy who had graduated earlier. She brought his truck to school after lunch. The drug dog team came in and did their thing. In the parking lot , in the truck, they found two empty beer cans. Suspended. Ridiculous.
In no uncertain terms, I brought a few things to their attention. Such as two weeks before when the dog team came in and found about a half a pound of pot in one boys locker. No suspension. Their excuse was that since it was in a locker it could not be proven that it was his. :rolleyes: I brought up my off the wall theory that maybe it was because the raid was conducted on Thursday and Friday was football night and the boy was a star football player. Imagine that.
Another little issue came up when one member of the board spoke her piece to me about drug use and how it was being handled by the school and school board members. Very touching. When she was through I told her if she wished to debate the use of drugs and drug sales with me in front of the other members of the board I would be more than happy to get into this. I also mentioned I might bring up the practice of an unnamed store owner who was known to be dealing in cocaine. She sat down and never said another word. She and her husband owned the store in question. :)
The last issue I brought up was who scheduled the the timing and schedule for the drug dog teams visits. I was assured that it was completely random by a few of the board members. I asked if they were certain of this. The answer was absolutely. I then asked the super if that was correct and he guaranteed me that no school teachers, personal, administration or employees of the school knew when the team was coming. I asked one more time if everyone was certain of this and got an all around "Yes" in response.
So...........I then had to bring up the question that if nobody knew when they were coming, if anyone besides myself found it strange that one particular teacher had left one to two hours before the team arrived on the last six visits. It seemed that I was the only one aware of this. :)
Got the suspension lifted for the terrible "empty beer can girl".
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The more I read the better I feel that I live in Europe.....
Seems that your system is self-desctructing whole society in name of political correctness, anti-racism etc.
Sadly it seems that european countries are following with a little delay..
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tedbr.. do you think we should get rid of the social security ponzie scheme? You seem to be saying that socialism causes a society to decay... that democrats were wrong..
There is a solution to "underfunded" schools.... give out vouchers and you will get rid of all the waste that democrat socialists have forced on us with public schools... we will go from "underfunded" to "overfunded" overnight.
Wars get paid for but social programs just keep growing and growing and growing and...
The budget proposed by the democrats increases the tax burden on more than a third of Americans by $2000 a year in the next three years. And most of those programs they propose.. if not all.. are like social security and public schools.. they just keep growing with no improvement in service.
They want us to be like the decaying socialist countries who pay twice what we do for a gallon of gas because of tax that goes to who knows where anymore.
lazs
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Originally posted by rpm
Is there a rule somewhere that every mook has to post this?
Nope the mook just posts a b*tch about it.....:p
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
The more I read the better I feel that I live in Europe.....
Seems that your system is self-desctructing whole society in name of political correctness, anti-racism etc.
Sadly it seems that european countries are following with a little delay..
The main problem with my country I feel is the Feds are nosing into State rights. There is no reason S.C. should put up with the stupid ideas that Kali excretes out.
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When I was a kid bomb scares were called in to the school by a few that just wanted the day off. We'd evacuate to the elementary school, while they searched, then the guy would call in again and say he also put one in the elementary school. We'd all end up going home.
One time my friend and I decided we wanted to do a really good one. We were going to make a fake bomb and have gray clay, an alarm clock and curly wires sticking in it. We'd put it in a locker and put a wire from the door to the alarm switch so when it opened it would ring.
Then common sense prevailed and we were afraid one of the old janitors would find it and drop dead. So we decided it was a bad idea. Imagine trying a stunt like that today?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
When I was a kid bomb scares were called in to the school by a few that just wanted the day off. We'd evacuate to the elementary school, while they searched, then the guy would call in again and say he also put one in the elementary school. We'd all end up going home.
One time my friend and I decided we wanted to do a really good one. We were going to make a fake bomb and have gray clay, an alarm clock and curly wires sticking in it. We'd put it in a locker and put a wire from the door to the alarm switch so when it opened it would ring.
Then common sense prevailed and we were afraid one of the old janitors would find it and drop dead. So we decided it was a bad idea. Imagine trying a stunt like that today?
:huh
Nowadays you'd be in serious legal troubles. If some lite-brites can cost a company $2 million, imagine what happens when something actually looks like a bomb.
Some friends of mine caught 3rd degree felony - possession of explosives charges for putting a common household product and alittle aluminum foil in a 2 liter bottle and making them go pop (on one of the kids own property, good chunk of land). Great grades, jr. rotc squad leaders.
They were arrested, kicked out of school, put in bootcamp, charged as adults, and had their chances of military careers smashed...
just because they did it a month or 2 after Columbine.
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Originally posted by lazs2
There is a solution to "underfunded" schools.... give out vouchers and you will get rid of all the waste that democrat socialists have forced on us with public schools... we will go from "underfunded" to "overfunded" overnight.
That's the solution, give our children's future to the private sector...because we all know much big business cares for the lower and middle class. :huh
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Originally posted by republic
That's the solution, give our children's future to the private sector...because we all know much big business cares for the lower and middle class. :huh
Ya, our elistist leaders care so much more. :aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Ya, our elistist leaders care so much more. :aok
That's why we vote. :) I trust a politician needing a vote more than I trust a megacorp with contract lawyers.
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/16/204756.shtml
Public schools are run by the National Educational Association. They are not run by people you can hold accountable, such as teachers, superintendents and school boards. The NEA opposes merit pay, charter schools and any decision by any school administrator that has not been determined in advance by collective bargaining.
Simply put, the NEA opposes everything except its own power.
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after two decades of appreciation, jack should of sold his house to a city dweller for ten times what he paid.
then jack should of moved to another part of the country that agreed with his lifestyle.
but, maybe jack just liked his cable modem porn too much.
silly jack.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Nope the mook just posts a b*tch about it.....:p
Ah, just wondering. That same e-mail gets posted about every 3 months in here.
Net result? Back then was roxxorz, now suxxorz. Shock and awe.
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Originally posted by republic
That's the solution, give our children's future to the private sector...because we all know much big business cares for the lower and middle class. :huh
Actually, it works, very well. You can compare and contrast Oakland vs Compton. Oakland allowed a voucher type system, where kids don't have to go to their neighborhood schools. Where the kid goes, his education dollars go with him.
Oakland schools added 91 AP classes in 1 year, compared to Compton's 2. Grades are up, kids have better chances of attending more advanced classes... while Compton high school now has only 6% of their male students that can read well (algebra... 1%).
Competition makes better products. If schools have to go head to head for funding, poorly functioning schools will fold up, and their students will be rolled into far better schools than they're in now.
I guess thats a bad thing because of CORPORATE GREED(*&!#@! :rolleyes:
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the teachers union cares a lot less about students than catholic schools do.
We just enrolled my grand daughter in a catholic school. the public schools are trash. The teachers are the highest paid part time workers in the nation and care more about their salary than the kids..
The cost for these trash public schools is about twice that of a catholic school per student and they get about 50% less results for the money.. Yet.. some would continue to allow the government to subsidise the teachers union by creating an education monopoly for them that is a classic case of everything that is bad about monopolies.
I think that republic has not given the thing much thought... he acts as if to have choice is evil... that only the public school is to be trusted and will do a good job (in spite of every example to the contrary) but.. say he is right.. say you get your voucher and go to a private school and then decide it is doing a bad job...
You can always just take your voucher money and use it in the peoples republic of public schools again. If public schools are so great they should really shine eh?
As it is... if you don't like public schools.. republic would have you just like it or lump it.
how bout a little choice and we will make up our own minds about our own kids education? I could sure use a voucher to help get my grand daughter through school but...
I will do it regardless and.. she will be vastly better educated than not only the republics of the world but the poor bastards who can't afford to pay taxes and put their kids in a decent school.. republic and his ilk are all about screwing the kids and their parents.
lazs
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Originally posted by indy007
Actually, it works, very well. You can compare and contrast Oakland vs Compton. Oakland allowed a voucher type system, where kids don't have to go to their neighborhood schools. Where the kid goes, his education dollars go with him.
Oakland schools added 91 AP classes in 1 year, compared to Compton's 2. Grades are up, kids have better chances of attending more advanced classes... while Compton high school now has only 6% of their male students that can read well (algebra... 1%).
Competition makes better products. If schools have to go head to head for funding, poorly functioning schools will fold up, and their students will be rolled into far better schools than they're in now.
I guess thats a bad thing because of CORPORATE GREED(*&!#@! :rolleyes:
In a large metropolitan area where there are several choices in public and private schools, vouchers may be a good alternative...but in the smaller 2A and below rural schools...vouchers do nothing...it is simply a buzzword and "quick fix" to a problem that is widespread and endemic to our society as a whole... Something we can hear on the news and feel good about...so we can find out more about Anna Nicole...
The education system is foundering...but it has nothing to do with funds...it has everything to do with parenting and the degradation of TRUE morality and the American home life.
Vouchers in some situations may be a blessing...but vouchers alone does not fix a child's loveless home...which leads him/her to perform poorly and have no hope/ambition for the future.
Vouchers just makes the social-economic gap bigger and does nothing to the actual problem. Rural kids instantly lose because there are no, and will be no private schools built in low population, less affluent areas.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The teachers are the highest paid part time workers in the nation and care more about their salary than the kids..
I agree whole heartedly. When you compare the average teacher salary down to the hours worked...they compare extremely favorably. I get so frustrated hearing teachers complain about low pay... The "low teacher pay" idea truly is a myth, and a frustrating one at that. When I hear of teachers complain about the good money most of them receive...I begin to question their motives for being a teacher...
Don't get me wrong, there are a handfull of teachers who go above and beyond the call of duty, and deserve every penny...but sadly...those are few and far between. :(
Originally posted by lazs2
I think that republic has not given the thing much thought... he acts as if to have choice is evil... that only the public school is to be trusted and will do a good job (in spite of every example to the contrary) but.. say he is right.. say you get your voucher and go to a private school and then decide it is doing a bad job...
You can always just take your voucher money and use it in the peoples republic of public schools again. If public schools are so great they should really shine eh?
As it is... if you don't like public schools.. republic would have you just like it or lump it.
how bout a little choice and we will make up our own minds about our own kids education? I could sure use a voucher to help get my grand daughter through school but...
I will do it regardless and.. she will be vastly better educated than not only the republics of the world but the poor bastards who can't afford to pay taxes and put their kids in a decent school..
The problem is Laz...there are no other choices in many of the problem areas...especially rural areas. There are no salvation private schools to send my kids to. So the money going towards vouchers does nothing...unless I want to uproot my family and move. It simply draws attention away from the problem, and leads people to think it's a miracle solution for every problem for every district.
Originally posted by lazs2
republic and his ilk are all about screwing the kids and their parents.
lazs
You, my friend, are a sadly bitter man. Disagreement doesn't require personal attacks...unless you can't defend your argument otherwise.
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Originally posted by republic
The problem is Laz...there are no other choices in many of the problem areas...especially rural areas. There are no salvation private schools to send my kids to. So the money going towards vouchers does nothing...unless I want to uproot my family and move. It simply draws attention away from the problem, and leads people to think it's a miracle solution for every problem for every district.
So, basically, you refuse to move out of your rural area, even at the expense of your child's education.
Instead we should..... ?
Pay the teachers more? Wait, they're overpaid.
Pump more money into failing schools? Go visit Compton HS.
Instill "American Values and Morality" in the home? Who's morality? Christian morality? What if I'm a secular humanist?
Figure out a commuter system to get rural kids to good schools? Sounds like a winner to me.
Less complaining, more fixing.
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lol ok, I fell for the bait. Thought this might actually be a worthwhile discussion.
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The school district where I live has some of the highest paid teachers in the country. There are teachers earning over $100,000 a year and they're always protesting outside of the schools because they "Don't have a new contract." They've been offered dozens of contracts but rejected them because they weren't "good enough." Nevermind the fact that half of the cars in the teachers lots are Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes vehicles. The average resident in my community (And it is a working class/ middle class neighborhood) pays about $7,000 a year in property taxes. Most of these go to the school. It's crazy to the point where Long Island has a huge number of residents leaving for North Carolina and other places where they can get more house for less money paying less taxes.
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If you fill up Catholic schools with kids that have parents that don't care if they learn or not (because they get to go FREE), you'll have public school in uniforms. With the government making increasing inroads to raising our children, even Catholic schools don't afford the discipline they once did. Thats really the crux of the matter. Its almost illegal to raise your children as individuals.
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BAH!!
Bring back corporal punishment.
When Alot of us were kids a few wacks on the buttocks made ya straighten up pretty quik!....also made u walk funny for a lil while but hey, the kids will heal up!!
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Originally posted by republic
lol ok, I fell for the bait. Thought this might actually be a worthwhile discussion.
You must be new here...
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republic... maybe I was hasty.. you seem reasonable. I would say that if you live in a rural area... your choices may be limited in schools but then so is your shopping and other things. you either drive your kids or you make the best of the local schools.
You don't not remodel your home because there is no lowes around the corner.
I don't agree tho that the parents are at fault.. I believe that the public schools do all they can to take away parents rights and them use them as a scapegoat when their programs fail...
The teachers have the kids for most of their waking hours and they can't teach em. Public schools and public school teachers (and their union) are cheating the public.
vouchers should be allowed for everyone even if they homeschool.. In that case maybe one parent could afford to stay home and teach.
lazs
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I have 3 kids that went to the same schools. The oldest could get good grades if he wanted to. He decided not to go and became a delinquent until he was 19 and responsilble for his own actions. The middle child followed in his older brothers footsteps. He's 18 and comming home in a month or two after he finishes serving his time in a juvie center. He's been there for a year. My youngest is 13 and doing well in school. She gets very good grades and is a model student. Does the after school stuff, volunteers at the hospital etc. Now I understand the school and teachers had problems with the older boys, they blew it for themselves. But this sweet girl is having problems with teachers that her brothers had in the past. They seem to forget her track record when what I feel is a minor incident gets blown out of proportion. A few times now I have had to go to the school and remind the teachers that this is a good kid they are complaining about. Some of the things like staying inside when the rest of the kids are outside for recess should be handeled by the school. I don't need a phone call for that.
I do think many teachers are just doing the daily grind and don't want to help the kids. They just want to do their job and get the summer off. It makes me appreciate the ones that actually want to teach and are proud when a kid learns from them. Those are the people I enjoy to see at conferences and like to meet around town. They seem to be happy with their lives. OK gettting to long winded. DONE :D
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Originally posted by Kuhn
I have 3 kids that went to the same schools. The oldest could get good grades if he wanted to. He decided not to go and became a delinquent until he was 19 and responsilble for his own actions. The middle child followed in his older brothers footsteps. He's 18 and comming home in a month or two after he finishes serving his time in a juvie center. He's been there for a year. My youngest is 13 and doing well in school. She gets very good grades and is a model student. Does the after school stuff, volunteers at the hospital etc. Now I understand the school and teachers had problems with the older boys, they blew it for themselves. But this sweet girl is having problems with teachers that her brothers had in the past. They seem to forget her track record when what I feel is a minor incident gets blown out of proportion. A few times now I have had to go to the school and remind the teachers that this is a good kid they are complaining about. Some of the things like staying inside when the rest of the kids are outside for recess should be handeled by the school. I don't need a phone call for that.
I do think many teachers are just doing the daily grind and don't want to help the kids. They just want to do their job and get the summer off. It makes me appreciate the ones that actually want to teach and are proud when a kid learns from them. Those are the people I enjoy to see at conferences and like to meet around town. They seem to be happy with their lives. OK gettting to long winded. DONE :D
If I had two kids in trouble with the law I wouldn't be bragging on an internet board. One can be something weird. Two sends up a big red flag of poor parenting. Sorry if that's offensive. It sounds like your youngest is on track for problems also. "Its the teacher's fault." I really hope you're a troll and not a parent.
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btw... while teachers have an almost endless list of people to blame for their failure to teach...
Have you ever heard any teacher ever say that they had any part at all in the failure of anyone to learn?
It is never their fault...even tho they are the ones that have the kid for most of his waking hours.. They are the ones who decide what and how to teach and yet... it is not their fault.
When private schools do better they blame it on them getting the best students... when private schools take the worst students and improve their learning... they blame lack of money and parents...
I think even the most naive among us are starting to see that the self anointed saints teaching in public schools are every bit as bad as their results.
lazs
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Originally posted by nirvana
Sounds like you live in a rough neighborhood or something Voodoo, we have strict rules at my school but the "security" says they can memorize faces so we don't have to wear ID cards. The drug dog is rarely ever used at school, at least I haven't seen it very much and it has never been used to search kids specifically to my knowledge. It's pretty much known who does drugs and they really don't care.
The fighting though is true, however, the instigator is the one that takes the brunt of the punishment but tickets are handed out the second someone takes a swing at another person. You have to go to court for those too, it's not just paying a fine and going on with life.
Will you see the funny thing is my school is located in the nice middle/rich side of town. The only poor kids are the ones that live in the old homes around the high school. My school isn't violent at all, will I mean there fights but there sissy fights. The guys just jump around slap each other in the faces and then jump around more tell the teachers break it up. The girls though, they get nasty and dirty. Are school is the best public school system in Oklahoma. The only thing bad about my school are druggies, and alcohol. My high school has about 3500 - 4000 students 9th-12th grade. I would say about 70% drink and 60% have tried drugs but 40% do drugs. I know the alcohol level is high at my school but the drug use might be lower than 40%. Its a great school but we have so much rules that are just dumb.
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Vouchers just makes the social-economic gap bigger and does nothing to the actual problem. Rural kids instantly lose because there are no, and will be no private schools built in low population, less affluent areas.
If enough of the parents in a particular rural area were dissatisfied with the public school in the area, they could do something about it if they had the vouchers. Quite possibly just the threat of the parents moving their children some where else just might make the local public school *shape up* so to speak.
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The voucher system was put into place here in Florida. Schools were graded by performance and if the school got a low grade the kids were given vouchers and could use them for private education. Private schools started to do a much better job at educating the kids. Then a teacher sued (at the behest of the union) and the courts in Florida ruled the voucher system unconstitutional. No more voucher system in Florida.
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nothing as bad as public schools can last forever.. People are wising up and a lot of the myths about vouchers are being dispelled by areas that allow em.
The teachers and their union are like some old mafioso trying his best to hang on to power as the world around him changes.
If nothing else.. vouchers will force public school to perform a little better. It is win/win.
I could never figure out why "poor people" you know.. the ones who take money to sit home... why they couldn't homeschool... oh wait.. they can't because they don't know anything themselves because... they went to 12 years of public school and can't even read.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
btw... while teachers have an almost endless list of people to blame for their failure to teach...
Have you ever heard any teacher ever say that they had any part at all in the failure of anyone to learn?
It is never their fault...even tho they are the ones that have the kid for most of his waking hours.. They are the ones who decide what and how to teach and yet... it is not their fault.
When private schools do better they blame it on them getting the best students... when private schools take the worst students and improve their learning... they blame lack of money and parents...
I think even the most naive among us are starting to see that the self anointed saints teaching in public schools are every bit as bad as their results.
lazs
I'll gladly point out teachers' failures in the proper context, but I would never serve it up as an excuse for my child's behavior. That was the point of that post. The poster was lamenting the fact that they had two children in trouble with the law and felt the third was having problems because of a teacher.
Sorry, I'm not getting on that boat. I've seen too many parents explain away their child's behavior as being a poor victim of circumstances.
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http://www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm
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Originally posted by lazs2
btw... while teachers have an almost endless list of people to blame for their failure to teach...
Have you ever heard any teacher ever say that they had any part at all in the failure of anyone to learn?
It is never their fault...even tho they are the ones that have the kid for most of his waking hours.. They are the ones who decide what and how to teach and yet... it is not their fault.
When private schools do better they blame it on them getting the best students... when private schools take the worst students and improve their learning... they blame lack of money and parents...
I think even the most naive among us are starting to see that the self anointed saints teaching in public schools are every bit as bad as their results.
lazs
I have to disagree!
I work for a School system here in Indiana and I can tell you from my experience that teachers have little to no control of how they teach.
The State comes down with all sorts of stupid rules and Administrators are so afraid of being sued they cave every time a parent threatens them over little Timmy not getting his way.
Teachers are told not to pressure little Timmy to do the same work as everyone else because he's special so the other kids follow suit. Teachers can't throw out trouble makers because once again Admin is afraid so they send the kids back and tell the Teachers to be more tolerant.
Let's not forget all the State mandated testing that has to be done. Most of the year is used to prepare kids for a test instead of what they are in class for.
For the life of me I can't see why anyone would want to be a Teacher. Low pay and you end up being a baby sitter that has no authority.
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btw... if you sent your kid to a swimming school and no one in the class knew how to swim at the end of it and the swim instructor told everyone that it was the parents fault you wouldn't know whether to laugh or get angry... same for teachers.
Mighty.. the teachers all vote as a block for the people who make the silly democrat rules that they live with.. the teachers love those programs. I can see why they hate testing tho... they sure don't want anyone to see what a bad job they are doing... the tests for high school would have been passed by 7th graders 30 or 40 years ago..
as for pay... they are certainly not underpaid in kalifornia... they are the highest paid part time workers in the country.. and hard? what is hard about spending your life going to school and then never leaving... just switching desks? never have to face the real world..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
btw... if you sent your kid to a swimming school and no one in the class knew how to swim at the end of it and the swim instructor told everyone that it was the parents fault you wouldn't know whether to laugh or get angry... same for teachers.
If the swim teacher had students who were not taught how to behave at home or in public, who's parents told the teacher they didn't have to do anything the teacher said, who had the swim school backing up the kids and telling the teacher that they could not make the kids do anything in the water. If the teacher is told by the student that the teacher couldn't do anything to make the student learn and that their parents would sue the teacher for making the student do any work. Then the teacher is informed by the school that there will be a mandatory assembly every week for half a day. No performance testing is allowed as it may harm the child's self esteem. The curriculum required by the state mandates water depth of 6 inches and a life vest must be worn at all times. Then you'd have a better understanding of what the teacher is going through.
Originally posted by lazs2
Mighty.. the teachers all vote as a block for the people who make the silly democrat rules that they live with.. the teachers love those programs. I can see why they hate testing tho... they sure don't want anyone to see what a bad job they are doing... the tests for high school would have been passed by 7th graders 30 or 40 years ago..
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I was a teacher for a bit and I didn't vote as a block. There never was any pressure or mandate that I vote in any particular manner from the teacher association. They did state the association supported x, y, z cantidate but not one of the association folks ever drove me to the poll or entered the ballot area to tell me how to vote. I was never questioned about how or what I voted for by even other teachers.
Teachers use tests all the time and don't have a problem with them, provided the kids decide they will bother to learn and perform. Mandating teachers performance be based on testing would be like your performance be based on the quality of the pipe supplied to the city where you have no control of the quality, specs, materials, sizes or quantity of pipe to be used in your waste water system. The supplier would be the parents telling you that they supplied pipe and it's up to you to make a complete waste water system, to code, with rusty 1" galvanized pipe and you don't have anything to say about the materials. Don't forget that you must also provide additional materials to be used in the job site out of your own pocket since you will not get thread cutters, gasketing or even PVC glue.
Originally posted by lazs2 as for pay... they are certainly not underpaid in kalifornia... they are the highest paid part time workers in the country.. and hard? what is hard about spending your life going to school and then never leaving... just switching desks? never have to face the real world..
lazs
I challenge you to try it. If you have a Bachelors degree you can then apply for a substitute teachers position and work a variety of schools. Find out what it's like for real in today's class room instead of whaqt you remember from when you went to school several decades ago.
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Originally posted by lazs2
btw... if you sent your kid to a swimming school and no one in the class knew how to swim at the end of it and the swim instructor told everyone that it was the parents fault you wouldn't know whether to laugh or get angry... same for teachers.
Mighty.. the teachers all vote as a block for the people who make the silly democrat rules that they live with.. the teachers love those programs. I can see why they hate testing tho... they sure don't want anyone to see what a bad job they are doing... the tests for high school would have been passed by 7th graders 30 or 40 years ago..
as for pay... they are certainly not underpaid in kalifornia... they are the highest paid part time workers in the country.. and hard? what is hard about spending your life going to school and then never leaving... just switching desks? never have to face the real world..
lazs
Indiana is not California!
People here WANT to teach but they always seem to have their hands tied behind their backs.
No support from Admin and above and no support from the parents.
But when little Timmy can't read when he gets out of school everyone says it's the teachers fault.
Now don't get me wrong there ARE some Teachers that are worthless but for the most part they really care and try hard to give our kids the best education they can.
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Originally posted by BTW
If I had two kids in trouble with the law I wouldn't be bragging on an internet board. One can be something weird. Two sends up a big red flag of poor parenting. Sorry if that's offensive. It sounds like your youngest is on track for problems also. "Its the teacher's fault." I really hope you're a troll and not a parent.
Bragging? Im sorry if it sounded like that. Bad parenting? Had to many "experts" and "profesionals" tell me otherwise. I never said it was any teachers fault. School just isn't as caring about what happens to the kids anymore. I saw how they try to keep the kids down when any thing minor happens because they are scared it could escalate to larger problems in the future. I remember when I was in school if some one was out of order in class that person would be delt with by the school unless that person was out of control. Nowadays a kid can cause a call to the parents if they are caught chewing gum. Kinda petty if you ask me.
So I don't know what you read into my other post, and I wish it was a troll but sadly it's not. I am a parent with two kids that couldn't think before doing. They both paid for there mistakes. One is on track and the other is working on it. My youngest is no way having any problems like the other two and will not.