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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Speed55 on April 04, 2007, 08:51:08 AM
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#1 All my parts are here except the memory, which should be here tommorow, and the copy of xp which should be here next week.
I was reading the mobo manual online, and basically found out that since i'm using IDE connections for the hard drive and DVD drive, that i'd have to go into bios and set everything up before installing the OS.
My question is this. I have no idea how i should set up bios, but was wondering if i made a list up of the parts i installed, and then posted the list of the bios questions here, could someone here help me fill in the blanks?
#2 If i set it all up tommorow, and use an old copy of xp to get the rig up and running, xp will ask me for a registration number, but i think i have 30 days before it will shut down. So when the new copy comes next week, could i just reinstall that xp and give them the number? Or should i just wait?
Thanks
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Originally posted by Speed55
#1 All my parts are here except the memory, which should be here tommorow, and the copy of xp which should be here next week.
I was reading the mobo manual online, and basically found out that since i'm using IDE connections for the hard drive and DVD drive, that i'd have to go into bios and set everything up before installing the OS.
My question is this. I have no idea how i should set up bios, but was wondering if i made a list up of the parts i installed, and then posted the list of the bios questions here, could someone here help me fill in the blanks?
#2 If i set it all up tommorow, and use an old copy of xp to get the rig up and running, xp will ask me for a registration number, but i think i have 30 days before it will shut down. So when the new copy comes next week, could i just reinstall that xp and give them the number? Or should i just wait?
Thanks
As far as the XP setup. Thats entirely up to you, I would however go ahead and run the setup to make sure it will load properly and then boot into windows and just let it sit till you get your copy thats coming and reinstall. This way youll have plenty of time to troubleshoot if it gives you issues during the boot and install.
For your bios question.
First off check your boot device order and set your fdd to first boot device, cd or dvd to second, and hdd third.
That way when you go to install windows it will search for a boot disk on the fdd drive then go to cd rom and boot from the windows cd so you can install windows.
If you change and should move to sata drives in the future you can still leave fdd drive as first, cd-dvd second and hdd third, but you may get a prompt to hit f6 during setup to install your third party skuzzy/raid/sata drivers that will be on the fdd that should have come with your motherboard. This should only be neccessary on some of the older 1st and second gen sata drives though.
Anyhow youll probably have the best luck setting up your bios by choosing the set up bios with the default options then press F10 to save and exit then choose Y to exit and save changes. If you have any problems you can pm me and I'll be glad to help. If needed I can give you my phone number so you can call in case needed.
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Thanks alot Sting. I'll p.m you if i have any issues.
The main thing i'd like to do in bios is disable onboard sound and use the soundblaster card.
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The sound disable is easy to do, just go into your bios manual and read through it VERY CAREFULLY and it will tell you exactly how to do this. Generally it will be under onboard hardware options. Some are set to auto disable when a sound card is detected some arent. Just let me know if you have any issues.
:aok
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(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/speed55/Help.jpg)
Need help with the chasis wiring.
Are the white wires negative/ground?
I'm not real sure what to do with the big one, with the green and white wires. Does it just connect to the power supply?
Everything else went pretty smooth.. I'll find out for sure tommorow when i get the memory. If it blows up then i guess i did something wrong.
:lol
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the green wire wider 4 pole plug is the pwr switch
needs to be on the upper right last 2 pins in your pic
yes the whites are neutrals ... not critical on the switches .
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Ok thanks..
Does the computer store sell a converter from the big power supply type connector (Molex?) to the little 2 pin connector on the motherboard like the other ones have?
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your power supply doesnt hook in at your pic's connection thats just for switches ,leds,and sometimes a speaker connect for the post beep
the power supply connects thru the 24 pin atx and sometimes needs the 4wire square molex . you'll see in the directions . its pretty simple
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Ok, i rushed probably didn't explain it right.
In the picture i drew. From the front of the case there are:
Power LED -Orange/White - ends with little 2 pin connector
Reset Switch -Blue/White - ends with little 2 pin connector
Hard Drive LED - Yellow/White - ends with little 2 pin connector
AND
Power button -Green/White - ends with a BIG MOLEX 4 pin connector
I can't connect the Power button to the mother board because the two wires from the power button on the front of the case have a molex connector at the end. The mother board has tiny pins.
What do i do? Splice wires?
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ah you must have a older case ... you need to change that whole power switch as for its a push on push off type .... instead of a push to close curcuit type (interrupt switch)
just wiring it to use on a newer mb wont work .
must likely your gonna need a new case that breaths better anyway . 120cm fans are the way to go for good airflow and a relatively quiet pc ...
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147057
That's the case i got.
Ahh crap don't say that!
I just finished installing everything.
Is there anyplace that sells a normal button that i can connect somewhere on the front panel?
It has a 120mm in the back, and tommorow i was gonna buy one for the front.
Ooooh, i just had an idea.. what would happen if i plugged the reset button connector and just used the reset switch to power on?
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It looks like a modern case. It's a P-4 compatible with side duct and all.
Don't know why the heck they used a MOLEX on the power switch, though!! :huh
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hmm thats a newer case ... it should be a normal interupt style powerswitch then ... and on a small 2 wire connector
hmmmm
well worse comes to worse you can always hook the reset switch up to the pwr switch pins on the mainboard , it is the correct type of switch .
im still baffled why the power switch would be on the larger molex style and there isnt a normal pwr switch plug ...
Edit: I wonder is the 4 pin molex with 2 wires is for a case light or fan ???
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Oh maaaaaannn!!!!!!1
I'll tell you why, CAUSE I'M AN IDIOT!!!
Don't drink when your building a computer, you start to confuse yourself.
Roo, your right, the 4-pin is the case light.
orange/white is power switch.
blue/white is reset switch
yellow/white is hdd light..
:mad: :rolleyes: :cry
:aok THANKS!
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use the reset switch .
ive dont it tons of times on older cases with newer boards.
or if you can take the front off ...carefully and dont leave a cdrom in the bay screwed in cause it can wreck it .... (Stupid Roo mistake kinda thing)
there may be the power wire hiding that didnt get correctly strung thru .
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Thanks alot, but sorry for wasting your time guys. i'll thank you again in the MA or at the next SE.
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Ok..
Got the Ram today, plugged it in.
Plugged in the power supply.
Connected the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
Went to turn on the computer, and nothing.
Well, the little blue light in the front of the case comes on for a split second but that's it.
I have 2 case fans running to the power supply, so shouldn't they at least spin?
The power supply fans don't spin either.
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New update.. i think i fried the motherboard by connecting the wrong 4-pin connector. yayyyyy!
Just got off the phone with the guy from tech support. Found out that that your supposed to connect, the 2black/2yellow 4pin connector.
So i did what he suggested and nothing happened. Then i did what else he said, which was to remove the power cables, then the battery, jump the cmos pins for 5 seconds, put the battery back in, and see if it works.
Negative. no dice....
Guess i have to go through the tedious process of removing everything from the motherboard, and send it back and hopefully get a new one under warranty.
Crap. i guess i wont get to play for a few more days.
Hope you guys get a laugh outa my misery, :lol
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I'm just wondering how many PC's you have ever built ? I suspect none because just about everyone who has, would have been in the BIOS at some stage.
I mean some things don't always get spealt out for you like using spacers to mount the motherboard. I have read about people mounting them without spacers and some who have even got away with it.
If this is your first PC build I hope you got some information about how to assemble it properly. Other simple things are the facts that most main power supply elements are frequently polarised to make sure you fit them correctly. But I have known people who have forced connections on upside down to a drive!
Get some-one who has done it before to check it over for you. Better still take the whole lot in as you have assembled it. It's all very well assuming the motherboard is dead and stripping it out, but seeing how you have built it may well prevent a repeat happening!
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yeah this is my first build..
Thing is, on the power supply the main motherboard 24- pin, and the 4-pin were wrapped up in there own seperate loom. I figured they did that so you wouldn't accidently plug in the wrong ones. Guess not. The 4-pin that i was supposed to use was with all the other connectors.
I probably could get someone to build it for me, but i'd rather do it myself and even if i mess up a little along the way, i've learned something valuable for the future.
The best way to learn is to have someone show you step by step what to do, but since i don't, i've been reading web pages, and old posts from here, and asking questions.
I read about the spacers, and i even wore the funny anti-static strap throughout the build, and made sure to ground myself against the chasis and metal on the powersupply before touching any parts that were going into the box..
I'll probably wind up bringing it to the computer store by my house and see if they'll give it a look over without charging me to much.
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"Guess i have to go through the tedious process of removing everything from the motherboard, and send it back and hopefully get a new one under warranty"
I might be wrong but if "U" messed up the mb they won't replace it free . The warr is for defects etc .
Yes I learned this the hardway , that's why once every 3 years isn't often enough for me to remember all the things that one's suppose to know , plus with things changeing all the time to boot .
Sorry your having problems though , hope you get it all sorted out soon .
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what are your powersupply specs ? and is it a cheapy generic ?
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i wound up dropping it off at the local computer shop this morning. i asked the guy to let me know what exactly is wrong with it. Hopefully it's just the motherboard, or power supply. I was a little discouraged and didn't want to make matters worse.
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If you gave us pictures and model numbers, I'm sure we could help you put this computer together.
Example of a Watercooling Kit installation.
(http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/Comp/DSC01902v2.jpg)
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The only problem with using XP for a month without activating it is you cant update it . Hopefully the disk you have already has service pack 2 atleast on it . IF not i would look at making a SP2 slipstream disk to install with . I have an older pre service pack 1 disk and it always makes me activate before i can update , but i have sp2 on a stand alone disk . While its not a huge problem , i would hate to see you have any security problems , and the pre service pack 1 xp doesnt support usb 2.0 GL Rukee
I found a link to download stand alone version of service pack 2 , it's always usfull to burn this to a disk rather than having to go to the automatic update site .
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en
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I really appreciate all the responses and help offerings from everyone here. You guys are great!
This time around i bit the bullet at the end and put it in the shop.
Next time around, probably in two years, i'll take MANY pictures and ask alot more questions.
The copy of xp i ordered came in today, which was a week earlier than expected, so i don't have to worry about it now, but thanks.
I should be flying again monday.
Enjoy the holiday!
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Just a follow up...
The guy said i didn't seat something right. So i'm out $50 but at least i didn't fry anything..