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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on April 04, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
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Round 3 saw the exit of the Yak-3. Round 4 runs through to Friday morning with the final 2 planes emerging for the head to head shootout.
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1 plane left to Pick GO P-39
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Hah! I voted for something that wasn't eliminated.
'Course, it was American this time so it was pretty safe.
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Wow the p-39 made it again!:aok
I might as well live it up now this may be it's last round.:cry
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Originally posted by Pyro
Round 3 saw the exit of the Yak-3. Round 4 runs through to Friday morning with the final 2 planes emerging for the head to head shootout.
In the immortal words of Josef Stalin, "Dadgummit!!!"
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Since my beloved Yak is out, I am torn between the 'Vader and the P-39... hmm decisions, decisions
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peeetoiteenahn
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P-39 owns the yak-3
:aok
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dam voted yak-3 last 2 rounds. was beginning to have second thoughts did we really need another la7 type plane un-perked. Insane speed,climb and turnability. Least we will be all safe from it......
Hmmmm a26 or p39 tough one think i will forfeit.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
peeetoiteenahn
Reminds me of Buckwheat from the little rascals. OTAAAYYY!! :D
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<---- Ph.D in Little Rascals History :D
Originally posted by Kuhn
Reminds me of Buckwheat from the little rascals. OTAAAYYY!! :D
It was Porky who said, "OTAY", not Buckwheat.
<<>
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Porky, Buckwheat, and Alfalfa. The breakfest of choice after a hard night of Spanky your Froggy.;)
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Eddie Murphy had it wrong? I haven't seen the Little rascals in years!
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Google it up :cool:
<-- Notice the dog? :D
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Originally posted by Max
Google it up :cool:
<-- Notice the dog? :D
It's Pete!:aok
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:aok
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:lol tardz
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might as well put the a26 in now.we don`t have any allied bomers at all that are worth talking about.we have way too many axis rides as it is........oh wait,NOT!At least the first couple of weeks we will have plenty of A26`s to send down in flames.
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LOL
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Only one fighter left...then only one choice to make.
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I voted for the P-39 Airacobra....again :D
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I would re-up my sub just to fly a P39
:D
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"Only one fighter left...then only one choice to make."
Given the pork-O-rama/landgrab style of gameplay these days I'll betchya the P-39 does not make it past this round. The final choice will come down to two pixel pummeling planes going toe-to-toe and the A-26 will be come out as king of the heap.
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Perkable Buff ride.
EW, low level, ponyish fighter operated well by Russians
Ben Affleck Fan club.
So long Yak-3.
Voting 'Vader.
Expecting Do-little.
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P-39 all the way.
cant wait to send a 37mm into a temps back as he runs away.!
forget the bombers.
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*sigh*
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
P-39 all the way.
cant wait to send a 37mm into a temps back as he runs away.!
forget the bombers.
Use a Yak-9T. It has a vastly superior 37mm cannon to the P-39's.
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I wonder if an American plane is going to win this? :rolleyes:
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9T cant fight its way out of a paper bag once the cannons used up,all you have is that one led spitter.
Ill take x2 50's and x4 .30's for backup, thanks.
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I'd rather have a spud gun that actually works though. It is your main armament.
Look up the muzzle velocity on the Oldsmobile 37mm in the P-39. Then look up the muzzle velocity on the NS-37 37mm in the Yak-9T.
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9T cant fight its way out of a paper bag once the cannons used up,all you have is that one led spitter. Ill take x2 50's and x4 .30's for backup, thanks.
Here here...
The Yak-9T is not a low altitude competitor.
But let's see... P-39 vs. A-26 below 10k. You pick the winner.
Quote from Wikipedia article on P-39 Airacobra.
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The tactical environment of the Eastern Front did not demand the extreme high-altitude operations that the RAF and USAAF employed with their big bombers. In the relatively low-altitude operations in the East, the lack of a turbocharger was not as great a handicap. The low-speed, low-altitude turning nature of most air combat on the Russian Front suited the P-39's strengths rather than its inherent weaknesses. The second-highest scoring Allied ace, Pokryshkin, flew the P-39 from late 1942 until the end of the war; his unofficial score in the Airacobra stands at nearly 60 Luftwaffe aircraft.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/180px-Pokryschkin.jpg)
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Cheers:aok
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If gun jams were modeled the Oldsmobile 37mm would be a big negative.I have steered clear of speculating a winner,or what type would be chosen if it won the popular..if unpopular vote!My guess is the P39Q might be the choice "IF"it wins.The thing I dislike now,is the people that didn't get their foreign fighter in,will vote against the P39 out of spite,allowing a buff to win,because of the split vote.My opinion,the AH skies are dotted with enough buffs to satisfy my requirements.That being said,we will prolly end up with another buff.Fighter pilots close ranks.Don't alllow a buff to slip in,and win this popular vote.
ID
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:01140102_081.jpg)(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Nellis2004/Highlights/B25WallOfFire.jpg)
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This one's faster and carries more.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~tedrbr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cb-001.jpg)
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Originally posted by IronDog
If gun jams were modeled the Oldsmobile 37mm would be a big negative.I have steered clear of speculating a winner,or what type would be chosen if it won the popular..if unpopular vote!My guess is the P39Q might be the choice "IF"it wins.The thing I dislike now,is the people that didn't get their foreign fighter in,will vote against the P39 out of spite,allowing a buff to win,because of the split vote.My opinion,the AH skies are dotted with enough buffs to satisfy my requirements.That being said,we will prolly end up with another buff.Fighter pilots close ranks.Don't alllow a buff to slip in,and win this popular vote.
ID
I'm not kidding, wasn't one of the nicknames for the P-39 - "Iron Dog"?
You should vote for your namesake!
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Originally posted by Karnak
I'd rather have a spud gun that actually works though. It is your main armament.
Look up the muzzle velocity on the Oldsmobile 37mm in the P-39. Then look up the muzzle velocity on the NS-37 37mm in the Yak-9T.
The Q model was the most widely built. It had 4 X 50 cals with 1,000 rounds. That should be plenty of guns and ammo. It’s 37 mm should be good against buffs at point blank at least.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
This one's faster and carries more.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~tedrbr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cb-001.jpg)
I've seen the specifications of the A-26 Invader and I can now say it has my respect.
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I can't see the rationale for voting for a plane that will be a MA hanger queen just because it could occupy a scenario or EW/MW niche. Scenarios represent only a tiny fraction of the overall AH experience time-wise and appeal to a relatively small demographic of the player base. Both the P39 and B25 are completely outclassed in every way in the LW MA by many other aircraft, where 90% of the MA spends 90% of its time nowadays. No point in going thru the trouble of adding planes to the set that won't get flown, we have plenty of those already..
Of the remaining planes only the A26 would likely see meaningfull LW MA use past the 2 week novelty period.
Zazen
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Yup. Go Vaders Go!
-SR-:aok
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Perhaps the B-25 might win because of the Doolittle raid and people are going to want to launch B-25s off carriers, as they seen in movies or tv
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Originally posted by Movie
Perhaps the B-25 might win because of the Doolittle raid and people are going to want to launch B-25s off carriers, as they seen in movies or tv
Quite possibly. Or large number of the Ben Affleck fan club membership play the game. Without CV-launch, B-25 (which were B-25B's) in LW will sit in the hangar. Doesn't have the ord capability or speed to compete LW. EW and SEA events would see it occasionally. Don't think a 75mm armed B-25 would do all that well with ENY-5 planes in the air and Osties on the ground.
P-39 might compete in LW. EW and MW and SEA events it will do well.
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Yessir Oboe the P39's nickname was Iron Dog,and they mean't for it to be negative.Zazen I don't think the P39 would be a hangar queen.It is such a unique aircraft,that I believe it will see plenny of action.A26 is another A20 to me,and thankfully it hasn't been turned into a dog fiter,although some use it as such.My view of buffs is biased,and I won't deny that.Some butt hole knocking down fiter hangers right in the middle of a good furball has tainted my way of thinking when it comes to buffs.Dive bombing Lancs,ugh,I wouldn't care if another buff of any kind gets added.If a buff wins the vote,so be it.The old Iron Dog lasted a lot longer than I thought.
ID
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Originally posted by IronDog
.Zazen I don't think the P39 would be a hangar queen.It is such a unique aircraft,that I believe it will see plenny of action.A26 is another A20 to me,and thankfully it hasn't been turned into a dog fiter,although some use it as such.My view of buffs is biased,and I won't deny that.Some butt hole knocking down fiter hangers right in the middle of a good furball has tainted my way of thinking when it comes to buffs.Dive bombing Lancs,ugh,I wouldn't care if another buff of any kind gets added.If a buff wins the vote,so be it.The old Iron Dog lasted a lot longer than I thought.
ID
Yea, that's why I would like A26 to win, would be a middle road plane that would get alot of the toolshedders trying to fight with it. In the end some of those toolshedders would morph into fighter pilots that might not otherwise...So, ultimately, less people taking down fighter hangers...
Zazen
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Alright...Having done my fair share of milkrunning and TS'ing...
IF the A-26 has the loadouts that have been listed, It will replace the 110G as the plane-of-choice for the base capture crowd.
If NOE 110's haven't made better pilots outta toolshedders, nothing will.
I think It will just bring more of the ts'ers back into the LW MA's.
They won't be able to use it in the EW/MW.
So, The LW's will become more crowded...
Leaving the EW/MW more deserted...
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Originally posted by uberhun
It's Pete!:aok
That would be Petey, not Pete? :D
A late model P-39 would be fun. A lot of good skinning options also.
Frodo
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While the A-26ers wait for Friday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1_6D9QS9Y
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Originally posted by swareiam
Here here...
The Yak-9T is not a low altitude competitor.
But let's see... P-39 vs. A-26 below 10k. You pick the winner.
Quote from Wikipedia article on P-39 Airacobra.
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The tactical environment of the Eastern Front did not demand the extreme high-altitude operations that the RAF and USAAF employed with their big bombers. In the relatively low-altitude operations in the East, the lack of a turbocharger was not as great a handicap. The low-speed, low-altitude turning nature of most air combat on the Russian Front suited the P-39's strengths rather than its inherent weaknesses. The second-highest scoring Allied ace, Pokryshkin, flew the P-39 from late 1942 until the end of the war; his unofficial score in the Airacobra stands at nearly 60 Luftwaffe aircraft.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/180px-Pokryschkin.jpg)
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Cheers:aok
apples and oranges my friend.
A-26 is an attack plane.
it stands as much a chance of survival in the lw arenas as the P-39
if not a better chance.
as far as them flying against each other?
i,d like to see it.
two different style planes.
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by 1Boner
apples and oranges my friend.
A-26 is an attack plane.
it stands as much a chance of survival in the lw arenas as the P-39
if not a better chance.
as far as them flying against each other?
i,d like to see it.
two different style planes.
A-26 was also a good, fast, medium level penetration bomber... better than the Ki-67 and B-26 we have now.
A-26 vs P-39. That would be an interesting match. Iron Dog would have to be very careful to stay of of the 'Vader's teeth ("death of a thousand cuts -- all at once!"), and jink to avoid the barbette defensive fire. 'Vader could not go vertical with the Iron Dog, and 1 hit from the Dog's 37mm, or hits from 20mm and .50's, could make short work of it.
Altitude may come into it as well. Iron Dog probably have much more of an edge down lower. 'Vader might close maneuverability gap at altitude.
Would be fun.
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Don't care as long as it's not the P-39.
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"jink to avoid the barbette defensive fire."
Especially if Han and Luke were manning them. BUDADADADA!!!
Go Vader!!!
Hey, can we allow skins from Star Wars?
I want to form a new squad, the "Rebel Raiders" and we can fly from Yavin base. Give me a few weeks to do up the web page though, my mom needs to help me.
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It would be really cool if HTC surprised the community by creating a couple of these planes instead of adding just another bird to the already crowded American hangar.
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HE SPOK 'GAINST 'MERIKUH!!!!!
HE MUST BE DAT DIR ISLAMO-FASCIT-COMMIE LIBERAL TRADER!
GIT 'EM BOYS!!!!!!!
WOOOT GOD BLESS DIS HERE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Joachim
HE SPOK 'GAINST 'MERIKUH!!!!!
HE MUST BE DAT DIR ISLAMO-FASCIT-COMMIE LIBERAL TRADER!
GIT 'EM BOYS!!!!!!!
WOOOT GOD BLESS DIS HERE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
U.S.A:cry
suck it up nancy
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I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who had to flip coins to choose at least this round..
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Originally posted by moot
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who had to flip coins to choose at least this round..
<--Coin flipper too
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ROFL
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Flipper? did someone say Flipper??!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/874_1175798158_slide0012_image051.jpg)
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Originally posted by tedrbr
A-26 was also a good, fast, medium level penetration bomber... better than the Ki-67 and B-26 we have now.
A-26 vs P-39. That would be an interesting match. Iron Dog would have to be very careful to stay of of the 'Vader's teeth ("death of a thousand cuts -- all at once!"), and jink to avoid the barbette defensive fire. 'Vader could not go vertical with the Iron Dog, and 1 hit from the Dog's 37mm, or hits from 20mm and .50's, could make short work of it.
Altitude may come into it as well. Iron Dog probably have much more of an edge down lower. 'Vader might close maneuverability gap at altitude.
Would be fun.
I think you're right. It sounds like a good prize fight to me.
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Ladieeeeees and Gentlemen,
An event that you may not be waiting for, but could happen with a little help from HTC.
In the blue corner with a loaded weight of 27,600 lbs., sporting 14 forward firing .50 caliber machine guns with four additional .50 caliber machine guns in dorsal and ventral turrets. It has a distinguished record of serving through three American wars. It hails from Santa Monica, California. The Douglas A-26 Invader, INVADER! :mad:
In the RED corner with a loaded weight of 7,379 lbs., with 1 forward firing 37mm M4 cannon firing through the propeller hub and 4 additional forward firing .50 caliber machine guns. Serving with the RED air force during WWII and hosting the second highest scoring allied ace of WWII, from Buffalo New York on lend/Lease program. The Bell P-39 Airacobra, AIRACOBRA!:furious
DING! DING!
Let’s Get It On!:confused:
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Just a little fun. What do you think?:lol
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by swareiam
I think you're right. It sounds like a good prize fight to me.
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Ladieeeeees and Gentlemen,
An event that you may not be waiting for, but could happen with a little help from HTC.
In the blue corner with a loaded weight of 27,600 lbs., sporting 14 forward firing .50 caliber machine guns with four additional .50 caliber machine guns in dorsal and ventral turrets. It has a distinguished record of serving through three American wars. It hails from Santa Monica, California. The Douglas A-26 Invader, INVADER! :mad:
In the RED corner with a loaded weight of 7,379 lbs., with 1 forward firing 37mm M4 cannon firing through the propeller hub and 4 additional forward firing .50 caliber machine guns. Serving with the RED air force during WWII and hosting the second highest scoring allied ace of WWII, from Buffalo New York on lend/Lease program. The Bell P-39 Airacobra, AIRACOBRA!:furious
DING! DING!
Let’s Get It On!:confused:
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Just a little fun. What do you think?:lol
Cheers:aok
If the fight is in the MA, they both HO on the first pass and the A26 wins.
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im going with the b25, but the a26 is so resembles the a20 its not funny.
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im going with the b25, but the a26 is so resembles the a20 its not funny.
The B-25B/C/D Mitchell is slower than a B-26 Marauder, carries less ord than a B-26 Marauder, and has similar defensive firepower to a B-26 Marauder.
A-26B/C carries more ord than the A-20G, B-26B, and B-25B/C/D. A-26 is faster than the A-20, B-26, and B-25. A-26 with drop tanks goes further than the 3 bombers it was designed to replace, the A-20, B-26, and B-25.
Anyone else notice the Wiki bomb load numbers for the B-25 don't match all the other sources with specs for the B-25? Most I see list 2,000 lbs for B-25B, 3,000 lbs for B-25C/D typical, and 4,000 lbs possible for a short range mission. Wiki claims 6,000 lbs for B-25J.... could a J model carry that much? Which other models could carry what? I don't see any big engine improvements through development to show nearly doubling the carry capacity.
BTW, nice post swareiam. Entertaining. kamilyun may be right about the outcome though.
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Originally posted by swareiam
I think you're right. It sounds like a good prize fight to me.
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Ladieeeeees and Gentlemen,
An event that you may not be waiting for, but could happen with a little help from HTC.
In the blue corner with a loaded weight of 27,600 lbs., sporting 14 forward firing .50 caliber machine guns with four additional .50 caliber machine guns in dorsal and ventral turrets. It has a distinguished record of serving through three American wars. It hails from Santa Monica, California. The Douglas A-26 Invader, INVADER! :mad:
In the RED corner with a loaded weight of 7,379 lbs., with 1 forward firing 37mm M4 cannon firing through the propeller hub and 4 additional forward firing .50 caliber machine guns. Serving with the RED air force during WWII and hosting the second highest scoring allied ace of WWII, from Buffalo New York on lend/Lease program. The Bell P-39 Airacobra, AIRACOBRA!:furious
DING! DING!
Let’s Get It On!:confused:
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Just a little fun. What do you think?:lol
Cheers:aok
LOL! That’s pretty awesome for only your 9th post!