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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Movie on April 04, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
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I'm having trouble with jap planes, which american plane do you see fit for dealing with japs.
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P-38 is a good choice, so is the Hellcat, P-47, F4U, and P-51B/D are some others that come into mind.
And not to sound PC or anything but in the future it would be better to refer to them simply as either IJN/IJAAF or Japanese planes. "Jap" has some negative conations to it as "Jap" is and was soley used as a deregotory reference to the Japanese.
ack-ack
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I've found that I lose to F6F's more that any other American fighter when I'm in a zero. But I'm sure some F4U pilots would prove me wrong. As usual, it all depends on the individual.
Obie:aok
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Also keep in mind that Japanese fighters vary quite a bit in performance. The A6M2 is very different from the Ki-61 or Ki-84. So what might make a great A6M2 killer may find the Ki-84 a nasty customer to take on.
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The Hog is uber when it comes to Japanese aircraft.
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You're fighting their fight and not yours. For whatever reason, be it when and how you engage, or just your style.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You're fighting their fight and not yours. For whatever reason, be it when and how you engage, or just your style.
Perfectly stated.
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zeros are somewhat an easy prey ki84 im having trouble with them. when im a fast plane they just turn fight all day, when im in a good turn plane they out run me so they nasty
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Originally posted by Movie
when im a fast plane they just turn fight all day
Don't turn. :eek:
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yea i do a loop then when i complete it they just keep flaming my rear time and again
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Originally posted by Movie
yea i do a loop then when i complete it they just keep flaming my rear time and again
Ki84 is very good in the vertical. If you loop they can and will follow you so don't do that. Keep your alt because they tend to loose parts at high speed. If you get caught by one dive away.
Go here and read up on some of the planes. Some of the info is a little dated but most all of it still aplies.
Soda's aircraft page (http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/models.htm)
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Ki-84's turning ability drops off fast above 250mph. Stay fast in an F4U or P-51 and you should be able to out manuver them. If the speed drops to 170mph they can get their flaps out and then you are in trouble. Also, it accelerates well initially, so pulling away once slow is dodgy at best.
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Originally posted by Movie
zeros are somewhat an easy prey ki84 im having trouble with them. when im a fast plane they just turn fight all day, when im in a good turn plane they out run me so they nasty
Yep. Ki-84 Frank is my favorite turn fighter in the game. Good acceleration. Good fighter in the vertical. Good turner. Decent gun package. ENY of 15 against all the ENY 5 planes for better points. Decent visibility. Weak rice-paper plane though, so it won't take punishment.
Will often surprise new players loping along in the Pony-D's, La-7's, Nikis, and Splixteens. Ki-84 vs a P-38 can be an especially good fight.
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only thing I will disagree with their ted.
Ki84 soaks up the lead unless your shooting cannon it can take some hits.
The tail section and stabs are the weakest points on the KI 84 and Niki.
There are tougher planes but I wouldnt call the KI 84 rice paper compared to the zeros and mossie.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
only thing I will disagree with their ted.
Ki84 soaks up the lead unless your shooting cannon it can take some hits.
The tail section and stabs are the weakest points on the KI 84 and Niki.
There are tougher planes but I wouldnt call the KI 84 rice paper compared to the zeros and mossie.
no wonder, i kept putting lead on him but wouldnt fall, if it was a zero it would be a big fireball by now lol
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"Cripes kid, grow a pair and up a P-40B." -'Tex' Hill
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Ki84 soaks up the lead unless your shooting cannon it can take some hits.
Seems to depend upon circumstances. The Ki-84 is definately more robust than a Zero, but in my own experience it is also very heavily plagued by pilot wounds - any series of 50cal bursts from the rear almost always seems to hurt the pilot, especially when you were caught by 50cal fire during maneuvering.
So if you are somewhat confident in gunnery, and you are very sure you landed some good hits on the fuselage area of the Ki-84 with 50cals when it was evading, the odds are the pilot is hurt and will not be able to respond in any kind of real maneuvering contest for long.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Seems to depend upon circumstances. The Ki-84 is definately more robust than a Zero, but in my own experience it is also very heavily plagued by pilot wounds - any series of 50cal bursts from the rear almost always seems to hurt the pilot, especially when you were caught by 50cal fire during maneuvering.
So if you are somewhat confident in gunnery, and you are very sure you landed some good hits on the fuselage area of the Ki-84 with 50cals when it was evading, the odds are the pilot is hurt and will not be able to respond in any kind of real maneuvering contest for long.
Yeah, that's what usually does me in when I fly Ki-84. Pilot wounded, and I do my best to ditch before I get kilt. Often I never see the killing rounds coming due to black out. No armor to protect the pilot. At least it does not catch on fire as easily as the Zeke does.
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FM2!
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Seems to depend upon circumstances. The Ki-84 is definately more robust than a Zero, but in my own experience it is also very heavily plagued by pilot wounds - any series of 50cal bursts from the rear almost always seems to hurt the pilot, especially when you were caught by 50cal fire during maneuvering.
So if you are somewhat confident in gunnery, and you are very sure you landed some good hits on the fuselage area of the Ki-84 with 50cals when it was evading, the odds are the pilot is hurt and will not be able to respond in any kind of real maneuvering contest for long.
Ditto! I fly mostly Ki84 and I'm plagued by pilot wounds.... every shot I take in fuselage, pilot's always the first thing to go... these japanese are so weak.... :D
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While late-war Japanese fighters were definitely more robust in construction than the Zero, they lacked the level of pilot armor that American fighters were equipped with.
According to one of my sources, "Genda's Blade", diagrams of the N1K2 and Japanese pilot commentary show that it had no pilot armor, relying on passive protections such as internal equipment to provide a small measure or protection for the pilot.
I have no sources on the Ki-84, but it may have followed the same design philosophy.
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Alas, I can assure you it did! :p
Hey Shuckins, who founded your town? It looks like an italian name... :)
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A quick Google search revealed that the Ki-84 is equipped with a 65mm armour-glass canopy and and additional 13mm head/back armour behind the pilot's seat.
Maybe its suffering from oddities..?
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Gianlupo,
I'm not a native of Monticello, Arkansas. The family and I moved here about 12 years ago. I always assumed that it derived its' name from Thomas Jefferson's Monticello, but one should never assume.
This is a fairly old community, by American standards, and predates the Civil War by several decades. I have found tombstones in a local cemetery that have dates from the time of Andrew Jackson's presidency.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A quick Google search revealed that the Ki-84 is equipped with a 65mm armour-glass canopy and and additional 13mm head/back armour behind the pilot's seat.
Maybe its suffering from oddities..?
Just stating what happens to me a lot of times, Kweassa... maybe I just find sharpshooters on my way! ;)
Shuckins, I didn't know about Jefferson's plantation home... a quick search on the net took me to its website, where, about the name, it says:
«Since Monticello means "hillock" or "little mountain" in Italian, there is a logical explanation for Jefferson's choice. He could have translated into Italian the names that appear in Albemarle County Deed Books as Little Mountain and High Mountain, the latter becoming Montalto, a mountain to the southwest of Monticello that Jefferson acquired in 1777. Jefferson's interest in Italian began as early as 1764 when he purchased an Italian-English dictionary, two historical works in Italian, and the works of Machiavelli. By 1767 Jefferson had also convinced Francesco Alberti, a musician from Faenza, to move into the area so that he could study the violin with him.»
Thanks, I learned something new! :)