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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bj229r on April 05, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
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The thing is, 100 years ago, if they couldn't get by, they starved or went home. NOW...money I COULD have spent on CH pedals goes to feed people who can't even speak my @%@ language. We are about to officially receive 20 million more of the below examples
The report on low-skilled workers, who are defined as those without a high school diploma, did not focus on immigrants, but its authors say 25 percent of legal immigrants and 50 percent of illegal aliens fall into the category. About 9 percent of native-born Americans lack a high school diploma. Using data from 2004, the report shows the average household headed by a low-skilled worker paid $9,689 in taxes but received $32,138 in benefits a year. The more than $22,000 difference is the "tax burden" which rises to $1.1 million over the worker's lifetime.
The Heritage Foundation report calculates that for every $1 unskilled workers pay in taxes they receive about $3 in government benefits, including Medicaid, food stamps, public housing and other welfare programs.
In 2004, according to the Heritage Foundation report, the country had 17.7 million low-skilled households that together cost taxpayers $397 billion that year. Those households, without an influx of new unskilled workers, will cost at least $3.9 trillion over the next 10 years.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070405-123141-6880r.htm
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seriously, why have them pay taxes to begin with. Couldn't we cut their taxes....cut equivilent benifits......and save money on IRS employees at the same time.....a little off topic, I know but it seems illogical.
SOrry but it just seems like borrowing from peter just give him his money back as well as the money you borrowed from paul.
Why borrow from peter in the first place?
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low income people and illegals do not pay taxes anyway, the illegals for the most part get paid under the table and yet they get tons of benefits for being criminals.
if you hire them or shop where they work, you are part of the problem... whenever i see them working some place i let the management know why i am not buying there... in 3 cases simple protests like that have got them fired.
New American business sign:
Pedro doesnt work here.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
New American business sign:
Pedro doesnt work here.
Heh, I like that:aok
(Remember this crap the next time ya hear "No tax cuts for the rich!")
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What??
The study is about unskilled workers, period. Connecting it to immigration and becoming enraged about that leap is silly. Unskilled people are not immigrating en masse to the US. In fact, only university-educated people and those with special skills can immigrate. It's political grandstanding based on a lie.
If you can't put together $125 for CH pedals, I doubt you could qualify to immigrate to the US.
Now that's an interesting thought. Make native-born people qualify the same as any immigrant, then ship the ones who can't qualify somewhere else. See how you like it...:D
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H-1B is destroying America just as much as the invading army of mexico. Politicians do not care about the American People, they only care about the money they get from big business.
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4572
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rolex... I believe that you are talking about legal immigration (which is not broken) and the rest are talking about criminal illegal aliens (which is broken).
the poor will always be a burden on the middle class in a socialist society... socialism breeds lazy and criminal poor too unless it has very strict rules and is able to discriminate.. in which case.. it is not real socialism.
A society can only support so many that take more than they give.
lazs
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Originally posted by Rolex
What??
The study is about unskilled workers, period. Connecting it to immigration and becoming enraged about that leap is silly. Unskilled people are not immigrating en masse to the US. In fact, only university-educated people and those with special skills can immigrate. It's political grandstanding based on a lie.
If you can't put together $125 for CH pedals, I doubt you could qualify to immigrate to the US.
Now that's an interesting thought. Make native-born people qualify the same as any immigrant, then ship the ones who can't qualify somewhere else. See how you like it...:D
That's just it--the vast majority of iLLEGAL immigrants ARE dirt-poor/unskilled/burden on society--and after they reach middle age, what little value they HAD in their unskilled/low-wage jobs will be gone, leaving them as burdens on you and I--and Bush and Kennedy are about to make 20 million of them citizens...and damn few of them got here with even 125 dollars...just an inner tube to cross the Rio Grande with
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Illegal immigrants and legal aliens are not the same. There is a constant attempt to blend the two together into one "problem." Every high school graduate who enters the workforce is classified as "unskilled labor."
The "burden" of older unskilled labor comes from the home-grown variety, not illegal immigrants. There are far more American unskilled who will be getting Social Security, welfare and other support transfered from younger taxpayers. Illegal immigrants can't collect Social Security. Most paid into the Social Security and tax system via withholding using false SS numbers, but they'll never collect. The money is in a huge barrel of unaccountable cash that helps support the people who paid in legally.
If you want to howl against illegal immigration, I'll howl with you, but the politicans and pundits need to stop their hypocrisy of extracting the benefits of cheap, illegal labor with a wink while spouting off like a bunch of xenophobic rednecks.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Illegal immigrants and legal aliens are not the same.
Illegal is Illegal---the insipid term 'illegal immigrant' was only invented by the Clinton Administration in the 90's (Argh they even have ME using it)
Hacks me off enough paying for homegrown dumbarses who never got out of high school, to say nothing of people who can't @#%#% read or write in their OWN language, much less ours:furious
(actually, politicians don't benifit from letting illegals stay--unless they can let them vote--business reap benefits, taxpayers pay the penalty)
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please rolex... explain the difference between illegal alien and illegal immigrant to me. There is only immigrants and illegal aliens and tourists and people on visas so far as foreigners in this country goes.
Now.. if you want to howl about social security I will be glad to howl about that democrat ponzie scheme with you... It has nothing to do with the thing being talked about... it matters not how skilled or unskilled a retired person is. I don't see your point.. the SS burden is the same... more for educated and skilled retirees... they get more.
If you are an immigrant then you are here legally... if you are here illegally then you are not an immigrant.
I have no idea how many Americans die a year because of illegals but it is too many. I am sure the number is staggering tho. if we lose 50,000 a year to drunk drivers and... going by the names I see of the drunk drivers and the fact that they have no licence... I would say that a third of more being illegals would not be that hard to believe.
lazs
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Illegal immigrant is too harsh a term these days... they prefer "undocumented immigrant" like they missplaced their paperwork or something...
why not continue the trend.. A drug dealer would be an "undocumented pharmacist" A child molester an "undocumented councilor" A drunk who lost his licence would be an "undocumented commuter"
lazs
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Pretty much spot on there Laz. This pc BS about labeling something to make it different from what it is has gotten rather tiresome.
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Originally posted by bj229r
NOW...money I COULD have spent on CH pedals goes to feed people who can't even speak my @%@ language.
Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.
Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.
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Originally posted by Hap
Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.
Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.
No problema--open an account in your name, and donate away:aok
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Originally posted by Hap
Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.
Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.
that family should have to work to feed itself, like the rest of nature, and accept the consequences when it can't. Instead of sucking my money which I work for to grow fat and happy sitting on its arse.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Illegal immigrant is too harsh a term these days... they prefer "undocumented immigrant" like they missplaced their paperwork or something...
lazs
You should see the harsh looks when I wear my "undocumented border patrol agent" t-shirt.
Edit: which I ordered here with a coffee mug
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/1339248
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As far as "that family," I don't know them. Perhaps you can tell us a bit more about them from a hands on perspective?
Regarding those I know 1st hand and work with where I work, not a few get on with 20K/yr + or -. Not infrequently, less than that.
Back to the point at hand, when giving someone something to eat vies with holding onto a few bucks that mean little or nothing to us, the choice should be easy.
But that's not the issue either, and I'm not talking about government programs, taxes, etc. If you don't know what I'm talking about just chalk it up to "he's a nutty tard."
It's a Matthew 25 sort of thing. And not a bad day to mention it, being Holy Saturday, and tomorrow being Easter Sunday.
I have taken more out of life than I have given. Many people I know first hand have done the same. There are those, too, whom I know first hand, who set a better example, who seek actively ways to better their neighbour becuase its merciful to do so. They, by in large, see everything they have in life as a "gift." Not the more common point of view that "I deserve it because I earned it."
I don't think that if anyone gave a thoughful and serious assessment to the question "do I deserve all the good that has come my way" if that has been their lot that they will answer "yes." When those times arise and friendships favor frankness, I have heard in some detail how they and their "good lives" are the product of sacrifices that others have made, be it parent, relatives, friends, teachers, etc. The list can and should be pretty long.
It is a narrow, bleak, blind-hearted life that seeks only or mainly to hold onto all that is "theirs" without some efforts to assuage the hardships of others that they find nearby.
I'm a poor example on that score, and I hope that I shall improve.
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Originally posted by Hap
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Back to the point at hand, when giving someone something to eat vies with holding onto a few bucks that mean little or nothing to us, the choice should be easy. ............................. ......................
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It is a narrow, bleak, blind-hearted life that seeks only or mainly to hold onto all that is "theirs" without some efforts to assuage the hardships of others that they find nearby.....
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.:aok
(And you didn't even mention trackir)
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Hap, bless you for you thoughts. Problem is that many people see kindness as weakness.
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Xargos, blessing to you too!
And BJ, "teaching" is a huge part of it. Is it not? That requires in my first hand experience a sacrifice of my time and attention to try to show someone a better way in a hands on fashion rather than merely lecturing them or scolding them.
If that's been the way you've tended to your affairs in real life, way to go! I think it be perhaps the "best" way, for it asks of us to get out of our cheap selves, interests, diversions, and affairs.
I really don't think any of us during our last days and months will say, "Wow I really blew that one! I gave too much money to what I hoped were good causes and spent too much time trying to assist the next poor shmuck by teaching him how to catch fish so he and his family can eat!" In the literal and figurative sense.
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I always get a kick out of the fact that it is always the very same ones who scream the loudest when we take our military to another country to stop problems....are the very same ones who start screaming like a pig under a gate for us to help the people of another country. You can`t help the people of another country by proxy. I guess you could if the world was perfect and every day there was a brilliant sunrise with little girls singing, laughing and throwing rose petals from their baskets when you look out your window.
I witnessed the "teach a man to fish" U.S. style.................... literaly.
There were a group of us who striper fished on a weekly basis on a river below the dam of an area lake.
A large group of foreign people started swarming the place all of a sudden. (No...not from Mexico :) )
Beer cans with string and hook attached was the style of the day. They would come to the river packed in run down vehicles with rods knocking and spewing smoke, loaded with every person they could possibly load . All wore ragged, second hand clothing.
That lasted somewhere in the neighborhood of a month. They then started arriving in brand new Camaros, which seemed to be their fav. All had new dress clothes, shoes, etc. To fish in no less. Within another month all were set up with their own business and all had new houses to live in. All proudly furnished by our taxs.
Yep........we taught them to fish .........in style.
We have been choking on the hook, line and sinker ever since.
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I am still waiting for rolex to explain the difference between an illegal alien and an illegal immigrant.
As for buying ch pedals... that is good... makes the economy run... somebody gots to make the materials and put em togerther... everyone wins..
Much better than everyone being "equal" and everyone making left handed gloves badly in some state sponsored former soviet union factory.
lazs