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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on April 06, 2007, 04:21:20 PM
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O'Reilly may have won the round on who can come up with the BEST soundbytes but it may hurt his TV ratings:t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM7hoauFLDU&mode=related&search=
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Oh yeah, excitement on a tv show always hurts the ratings. :rolleyes: :D
Geraldo doesn't want to accept that illegals are ILLEGAL and every damn one should be caught and deported. Maybe Geraldo should be checked for a green card! :rofl
One thing is certain, Geraldo won't be kicking O'Reillys butt any time soon, O'Reilly is a very big man.
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:O
LMAO I thought for a moment they were gonna fistfight.
Damn they stopped short.
Comical the way they turned it off too :aok
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I thought it was hilarious, funny how Bill reacts when he runs accross someone he can't bully :)
shamus
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26000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. In California that 'rough percentage' has been estimated to be as high as 50 percent. The cost of deporting the 'estimated' 107000 inmates (sounds like that should be a much bigger number) is cost prohibitive. Eliminate political pork and we could do it but we all know that will never happen.
The way I see it our problem is our lawmakers (politicians).
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I like heated debates; this is how it should be. It shows that they actually care and believe in what they are saying. Completely opposite of politicians.
Now lets start using Army to actually patrol border...
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Its not a debate, its shtick and both are pleased at the publicity. Twenty years pass and everyone forgets a flying chair and fat nose. *NOTHING* has changed. Its shtick. If you think you witnessed conviction - oh well.
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Originally posted by Shamus
I thought it was hilarious, funny how Bill reacts when he runs accross someone he can't bully :)
shamus
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Chalenge
The cost of deporting the 'estimated' 107000 inmates (sounds like that should be a much bigger number) is cost prohibitive.
Yeah, you're right. Lets just shoot them, one bullet each is cheaper. :rofl :rofl
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Ok Let me tell you all what this is about, it happened here in Va Beach, I pass the spot where it happened every day.
its about 2 teenage girls that got killed by a drunk driver who just happened to be here illegally, and yea he should have been deported the first time he got caught, VBPD DOES have the authority to arrest anybody here in Va legally, but they didn't know it, so bad on them for being stupid asses,(but whats new). The Mayor of Va beach has nothing to do with it at all, Granted the Judge in Chesapeake is at fault for him being here too. but the bottom line is the parents want to have the time to grieve, not have their daughters deaths turned into a Golly-gee 3 ring circus by some loud mouth bastard who has no connection to them at all. Heres a thought, why doesn't he shut his mouth and help police find out who killed Mary Carson?
Oh wait she wasn't killed by an illegal alien so she doesn't matter. Bill OReilly needs to shut the hell up.
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who is Mary Carson and how can Bill OReilly help the police?
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Originally posted by Chalenge
26000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens.
Wow. I'll bet some people read this and accepted it as a fact, maybe even repeating it to others.
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Originally posted by john9001
who is Mary Carson and how can Bill OReilly help the police?
Thank you for making my point, nobody knows who she was because she wasn't killed by a illegal alien.
Here's a unsolved murder, with no "national" tv coverage
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=92737&ran=220813
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Originally posted by dmf
not have their daughters deaths turned into a Golly-gee 3 ring circus by some loud mouth bastard who has no connection to them at all. Heres a thought, why doesn't he shut his mouth and help police find out who killed Mary Carson?
Oh wait she wasn't killed by an illegal alien so she doesn't matter. Bill OReilly needs to shut the hell up.
So he has to have a "connection" to them to care? Your post comes off as assuming and cheap shots.
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Originally posted by dmf
Thank you for making my point, nobody knows who she was because she wasn't killed by a illegal alien.
Here's a unsolved murder, with no "national" tv coverage
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=92737&ran=220813
When a cop stops you for speeding, do you point finger at passing cars and say “what about them?”
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Originally posted by Slash27
So he has to have a "connection" to them to care? Your post comes off as assuming and cheap shots.
thats not the point, he only opened his mouth cause the guy is an Illegal alien, if it had been some average guy on his way home from work it'd have never made it out of the local news paper.
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Originally posted by Russian
When a cop stops you for speeding, do you point finger at passing cars and say “what about them?”
No as a matter of fact I don't
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Time to put up the NO VACANCY sign....expect that Bill Gates wants many more smart immigrants because the US is putting out vast numbers of total ****ing idiots.
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Originally posted by dmf
No as a matter of fact I don't
Good, then don't bring up others. Bill can't promote his point through some other dead girl.
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DMF, not to come off as a smartass, but can you prove that Mary Carver WASN'T killed by an Illegal Alien???
You guys oughta come to SoCal sometime...Drive around South Central LA.
The problems you have back east will pale in comparison.
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I don't think Bill's point wasn't so much the illegal alien aspect, until Geraldo made that, but the fact that the local and state officials repeated failure in getting someone who was an illegal back to their country of origin. Because of that failure 2 teenage girls died. The mayor of Virginia Beach looked especially clueless. I really don't miss the Tidewater area at all.
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What a bunch of crap. Anyone truly passionate doesnt turn off their emotions at the end of a segment like that. TV sux.
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Originally posted by BTW
Its not a debate, its shtick and both are pleased at the publicity. Twenty years pass and everyone forgets a flying chair and fat nose. *NOTHING* has changed. Its shtick. If you think you witnessed conviction - oh well.
SPOT ON THE MONEY.
Both of them are arguing a valid point, and it was set up by the network.. You see, thats why at the end, its all play nice. Its Schtick. And there is this whole crowd of idiots (and if any of you are members, sorry for the offence) who buy into this perverted 'FOX' version of reality where everyone screams and yells and no one makes a point.
If you believe O'reiley is about anything other than Bill's paycheck... You're a chump. If you believe Heraldo is about anything other than Heraldo's paycheck you're a chump.
Fox loves you chumps.
Other than Family guy and Simpsons, I don't have fox... If it ain't animation, its not on fox in my house. Fox is 5 steps worse than the anti-Christ.
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This is just my own opinion, but anyone who takes Bill O'Reily seriously needs more of a reality check than he does. He's getting paid to buy that crap.
I wish we could all just get past these losers and have real discourse in this country. What a wonderful world we could make without pundits and their ilk.
Refuse to watch and he might just go away. Gosh, we could be so lucky!
P.S. Please don't think I'm fond of Bill Maher either!
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Those girls would not have been killed by that guy if our borders were enforced. That's a fact, plain and simple. O'Reilly can be obnoxious and arrogant but he does get things accomplished, unlike the vast majority of our politicians.
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Originally posted by Kurt
SPOT ON THE MONEY.
Both of them are arguing a valid point, and it was set up by the network.. You see, thats why at the end, its all play nice. Its Schtick. And there is this whole crowd of idiots (and if any of you are members, sorry for the offence) who buy into this perverted 'FOX' version of reality where everyone screams and yells and no one makes a point.
If you believe O'reiley is about anything other than Bill's paycheck... You're a chump. If you believe Heraldo is about anything other than Heraldo's paycheck you're a chump.
Fox loves you chumps.
Other than Family guy and Simpsons, I don't have fox... If it ain't animation, its not on fox in my house. Fox is 5 steps worse than the anti-Christ.
5 steps worse then the anti-Christ? What a loon.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
I wish we could all just get past these losers and have real discourse in this country. What a wonderful world we could make without pundits and their ilk.
Amen!
The problem today both in TV and in the minds of American's is that disagreement should not be tolerated. One side is always absolutely right, and one side is absolutely wrong...
This is what the pundits and the media want to encourage...it keeps you watching their channels at the exclusion of others. An automatic dedicated fanbase to drive up advertising profits.
I'd like to see our politicians face questions from the average Joe, not pre-agreed upon pre-selected, content screened "average Joes". Oh, and while we're at it...make them actually answer the question rather than spew out soundbites quicker than an outsourced tech support person reads from his/her script.
Could they even answer a question they haven't rehersed days in advance?
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Bill is right but that was unprofessional..He looked bad in losing it as a TV host.
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Geraldo was playing devil's advocate to O'Reilly. O'Reilly is a tool. I recall Geraldo opening "Capone's Vault" and finding an empty wine bottle.
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The bottom line is this:
The girl was killed by an illegal immigrant that should have been deported.
Maybe there is a drunk driving problem in the region, but that's a secondary issue to the case.
I didn't like the "what if's" coming out of geraldo's mouth, and i don't think O'reilly did either. The girl WAS NOT killed by someone named "bubba, or somethingsky". So it's a non issue and is irrelevant to what happened.
If the P.O.S. judge dealt with the problem that caused what happened IN THIS TRAGEDY, then ramos would have been deported and the girl would still be alive. There's no WHAT IF we deported him, and bubba killed her, because bubba is a fictional person and ramos is real.
So let's face the facts. Statistics mean nothing, an AMERICAN CITIZEN was killed by an ILLEGAL ALIEN. Why can't people just see it for what it is, and take the appropriate action to keep the country safe.
We do have savages that ARE american citizens, and they should be dealt with accordingly, but to try and change facts, or make up "what if" situations to take away from really happened is totally wrong, and disrespectful to the father and sister. The father even said there's something wrong with the system, and border policy in the interview.
Maybe even through all he's going through, he is still concerned that the death of another innocent can be avoided?
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Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs. check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state. check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes. check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets. check.
5. Round them up into internment camps. planning.
6. To the showers.
Gotcha.
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating
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Originally posted by Speed55
Why can't people just see it for what it is, and take the appropriate action to keep the country safe.
you are 100% right,
PROHIBITION is what we need! No more booze drivers, so many lives could be save.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs. check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state. check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes. check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets. check.
5. Round them up into internment camps. planning.
6. To the showers.
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1. Immigrants aren't stealing anything.. Illegal immigrants are illegal, so yes they are stealing jobs from legal immigrants.
2. Immigrants are paying taxes, Illegal immigrants are not.
3. Immigrants might be commiting crimes, Illegal immigrants commit a crime as soon as they step over one of our borders.
4. I don't want anything from a hard working Legal immigrant.
5. As long as Legal immigrants are working they probably pay rent, or a mortgage*.
6. A clean legal immigrant is a good legal immigrant, no one want's to deal with people that smell bad, do you?
This is 2007 USA, not the time or country your referring too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here
Fascinating read.
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Maybe Bill should try to put FOX security on them like he threatened callers last year...
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=313bba77-8a12-4144-8ca1-41b015b8cd34&p=News_Comment%20-%20Analysis&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11698322/&fg= (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=313bba77-8a12-4144-8ca1-41b015b8cd34&p=News_Comment%20-%20Analysis&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11698322/&fg=)
hehe...Ted Baxter.....
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Originally posted by lukster
O'Reilly can be obnoxious and arrogant but he does get things accomplished, unlike the vast majority of our politicians.
:huh
What has he accomplished (other than landing a network job)?
He's a talking head.. well, a yelling head.
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I picture a family pool party. My neighbors were not invited. I can see Mr.Smith across the street, and I wave, he waves back. There is Mrs.Wu in her yard. She is nice. But I didnt invite her to come to my party. Mr. Leclerc is busy washing his car. Not invited.
Then I glance at my fence and see someone has cut a hole in it. There swimming in my pool, and eating my food is Mr. Pedro's family. They were not invited. Yet they forced their way into my yard to gain access to my pool and food. He stands there with a sheepish grin. Apparantly hoping I will ignore it and let him stay. It would seem, that shame isnt part of their make up.
I wonder if they realize that each day more and more of us are starting to see them as vermin, free-loading in the open doors of the grain bin. And as the brooms crack down on them, if they will still be grinning.
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Originally posted by FiLtH more of us are starting to see them as vermin, free-loading in the open doors of the grain bin. And as the brooms crack down on them, if they will still be grinning. [/B]
I'm hoping you want that one back in the box.
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Originally posted by Speed55
The bottom line is this: So let's face the facts. Statistics mean nothing, an AMERICAN CITIZEN was killed by an ILLEGAL ALIEN. Why can't people just see it for what it is, and take the appropriate action to keep the country safe.
Drunks don't have colors. They're drunks.
Keep the country safe?!!!! From what? Drunks?!!!!!! Get off of your shoddy soapbox. If 90% of Americans didn't have such a chitty attitude about the rest of the world, this wouldn't even be an issue.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I picture a family pool party. My neighbors were not invited. I can see Mr.Smith across the street, and I wave, he waves back. There is Mrs.Wu in her yard. She is nice. But I didnt invite her to come to my party. Mr. Leclerc is busy washing his car. Not invited.
Then I glance at my fence and see someone has cut a hole in it. There swimming in my pool, and eating my food is Mr. Pedro's family. They were not invited. Yet they forced their way into my yard to gain access to my pool and food. He stands there with a sheepish grin. Apparantly hoping I will ignore it and let him stay. It would seem, that shame isnt part of their make up.
I wonder if they realize that each day more and more of us are starting to see them as vermin, free-loading in the open doors of the grain bin. And as the brooms crack down on them, if they will still be grinning.
I'm lost, you use "I" throughout your post and then use this?
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Originally posted by Kurt
SPOT ON THE MONEY.
Both of them are arguing a valid point, and it was set up by the network.. You see, thats why at the end, its all play nice. Its Schtick. And there is this whole crowd of idiots (and if any of you are members, sorry for the offence) who buy into this perverted 'FOX' version of reality where everyone screams and yells and no one makes a point.
If you believe O'reiley is about anything other than Bill's paycheck... You're a chump. If you believe Heraldo is about anything other than Heraldo's paycheck you're a chump.
Fox loves you chumps.
Other than Family guy and Simpsons, I don't have fox... If it ain't animation, its not on fox in my house. Fox is 5 steps worse than the anti-Christ.
True. but if you honestly think any of the other networks are any more honest or objective. Then I know of a pretty famous bridge I'd like to sell you at a pretty good price.
They all have their sctick. their own "version of reality".
The more I watch the networks the more inclined I am to beleive they ALL make up (spin)their own version of reality.
They ALL take the facts, And distort them. Often greatly. In order to tell the story THEY want told. To get their opinions across.
Objectivity in news reporting I am afraid is long gone.
Fox may be bad. but the rest are no better. They simply use a different style to get ratings.
Like a skilled politition they all spin their stories in a manner in which they feel their audiance wants to hear them. Actualities be damned
I hardly watch any of them any more. And when I do I usually flip between them.
They all sell spin.
Far as fair and balanced. I'd say MSNBC is the best at that.
But they are all 5 steps worse then the anti Christ.
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Ok some body doesn't get my point. Let me clarify for you.
The Two girls were killed by a drunk driver, who gives a dam if he was illegal or not? He was a drunk driver, Mary Carson was killed by an unknown assailant.
The only reason Bill ORilley opened his stupid bellybutton mouth in the first place is because the guy is an illegal alien, WHO CARES IF HE'S ILLEGAL OR NOT! He killed people, THAT, should be the issue, not where he's from.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
What a bunch of crap. Anyone truly passionate doesnt turn off their emotions at the end of a segment like that. TV sux.
No disrespect intended, but I think your wrong on this. A true professional, in ANY field, should be able to "flick the switch" to do his job. Law enforcement has to do it all the time.
P.S. It is very hard to do sometime, especially when you where injured.
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dmf, I think the point is that he should never have been ABLE to kill the girls in the first place.
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For some perspective, read the following paraphrasing and tell me if it reminds you of any of the arguments in this discussion:
Can you live with the uproar and accept responsibility for the misery that the laws of the illegal immigrants bring to thousands of American families?" —
It is almost a miracle that absolutely nothing has happened to illegal immigrants in the US, but rather that only gradually the rights they stole from the Americans in politics and culture have been restored.
But even if a few hundred illegal immigrant families in the US really did have to go hungry, what is that against the many American families that they murdered over the course of centuries through wars, revolutions, and civil strife.
In the battle to protect our borders, there is no truce. If you are determined finally to defend yourself, American people, then be pitiless!
For the original text, click here (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/responses.htm)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs. check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state. check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes. check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets. check.
5. Round them up into internment camps. planning.
6. To the showers.
Gotcha.
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating
Sounds good to me. Now all we need is people in leadership with the balls to actually do it.
But seriously I see where your rather lamely attempting to go with this.
slightly different situation between the illegal ALIENS (they are illegal aliens not immigrants) and the Jews in Germany.
The Jews were prior to the Nazis in germany legally.
The illegal ailiens are not
The Jew were citizens of Germany.
The illegal aliens are not
They werent criminals.
The Illegal aliens are. Just by being here.
If you willingly and wantingly break the law. You are a criminal.
They enter this country fully knowing it is illegal to do so. Which makes them by definition. criminals.
The Jews in Germany owned and operated and worked in and for legal businesses
The illegal aliens do not
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Originally posted by dmf
Ok some body doesn't get my point. Let me clarify for you.
The Two girls were killed by a drunk driver, who gives a dam if he was illegal or not? He was a drunk driver, Mary Carson was killed by an unknown assailant.
The only reason Bill ORilley opened his stupid bellybutton mouth in the first place is because the guy is an illegal alien, WHO CARES IF HE'S ILLEGAL OR NOT! He killed people, THAT, should be the issue, not where he's from.
Nobody is dispuing that drunk drivers are a problem. The fact he is an illegal compounds the issue
The entire point is this particular drunk driver was an illegal with prior convicions.
Had this illegal been deported upon the first offence or even any of the other offences as he should have. These two particular girls would still be alive.
This particular incident was entirely preventable.
the other part of the point is that illegals are being convicted of crimes and not being shipped back to whence they came upon the first time being caught nor the second or third etc
Instead they are allowed back into the population to stay here illegally
THAT is the point
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How can you compare the NAZI murdering Jews to protecting America from illegals? That's like saying when someone says your kid is cute that he/she is a child molester.
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Originally posted by Xargos
No disrespect intended, but I think your wrong on this. A true professional, in ANY field, should be able to "flick the switch" to do his job. Law enforcement has to do it all the time.
P.S. It is very hard to do sometime, especially when you where injured.
"Being a cop is great, Get into a fight with the ol' Lady and you can take it out on whoever you want"
Direct quote from a cop I personally know VERY well
And which has been pretty much mirrored in other conversations I've had with cops
Also a statement which caused me to loose a great deal of respect for him personally.
Also explains a few incidents I've dealt with over the years.
Not saying all cops are like this. or even a majority But certainly a fair number of them are.
There are certainly a number of those who definatly dont. Flip that switch
Cant expect em to all the time either.
They are human and not robots...yet ;)
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Originally posted by Xargos
How can you compare the NAZI murdering Jews to protecting America from illegals? That's like saying when someone says your kid is cute that he/she is a child molester.
Not sure to whom you are responding here
Me or Chairboy.
If me
I wasnt.
I was pointing out significant differences between illegal aliens and the Jews in Nazi germany
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(Throws more gasoline on this fire......)
New Details in Deadly Director Crash
Fri Apr 6, 1:39 PM
Not only shouldn't the man arrested for the car crash that killed director Bob Clark have been behind the wheel, authorities say, he shouldn't have been in the country.
Hector Velazquez-Nava, 24, pleaded innocent Friday to two counts of gross-vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, Los Angeles court and prosecution officials said.
The man was arrested Wednesday following a brutal two-car collision that left Clark and his 22-year-son dead.
Police said they believed Velazquez-Nava was driving drunk—Friday's Los Angeles Times reported the man tested at three times above the legal blood-alcohol limit.
Though listed by police as a resident of Los Angeles, Velazquez-Nava is officially a Mexican national illegally in the United States, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Lori Haley confirmed Friday.
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If he does it ALL the time, then he is not professional.
Yes, it is very hard to do. I have been pulled off inmates by other officers when I was in the wrong by over reacting.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Not sure to whom you are responding here
Me or Chairboy.
If me
I wasnt.
I was pointing out significant differences between illegal aliens and the Jews in Nazi germany
Not you. :)
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I'd rarely if ever stand against you for whomping on a prisoner in prison.
Particularly if the prisoner started or instigated it
It is after all prison.
Its not supposed to be nice.
If they wanted the nice life they shouldnt have done whatever it was to land em in prison to begin with.
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Preventing illegal immigration isn't the problem, nor is enforcing the laws we have on the book.
The problem is the type of rhetoric being thrown around in support of those goals is dangerous because it serves to dehumanize the illegal immigrants. History has shown time and time again how that doesn't end well.
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Originally posted by Xargos
dmf, I think the point is that he should never have been ABLE to kill the girls in the first place.
Yea, thats the point of every single person that isn't involved. All the armchair lawyers on here are saying "if he wasn't here" "enforce the immigration laws"
"should have kicked him out of the country the first time" Does anybody even care that the girls parents have said they don't want a big issue of immigration made out of this? That they want time to grieve? No, nobody gives a dam about that, all anybody cares about is he was Illegal, and how big of a stink can be made out of it.
I bet you some smart little suit wearing scum sucking money hungry lawyer gets him deported back to Mexico instead of time in prison for vehicular murder, or manslaughter, whatever its called.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs. check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state. check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes. check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets. check.
5. Round them up into internment camps. planning.
6. To the showers.
Gotcha.
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating
not a bad damned idea... too bad it wont fly these days...
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Originally posted by dmf
I bet you some smart little suit wearing scum sucking money hungry lawyer gets him deported back to Mexico instead of time in prison for vehicular murder, or manslaughter, whatever its called.
You maybe right, I'm afraid.
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Originally posted by Kurt
:huh
What has he accomplished (other than landing a network job)?
Maybe you should try looking in to that? Have a priest handy though.:eek:
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Originally posted by Rolex
Wow. I'll bet some people read this and accepted it as a fact, maybe even repeating it to others.
I bet so too. If you do a little research you can find out exactly how precise that figure is. The problem is that as a demographic not even the FBI tracks events such as this. On average the imprisoned illegal aliens we have caught commited 18 crimes before ending up where they are. More go free every day. Not all of the illegal immigrants are Mexican or even latino. This is just where the current focus is because of concerns about our border security.
If you think Bill lacks sincerity then you can just imagine what our politicians are really like.
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Geraldo is a Chump...A Punk...it's about time someone puts his asss in the dirt. Geraldo is for nothing but Geraldo... He phucked up in Iraq and still phucks up. Bill does a good job pointing watermelon out..Glad to see Bill holding ground.
Bill won, Geraldo was punked.
Mac
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Originally posted by Xargos
You maybe right, I'm afraid.
I know I'm right, and in a few months he'll be right back in the US illegally and doing the same thing all over again. I say try him and put him in prison alien or not. If we go to another country and commit a crime we get thrown in jail. Gee why can't we return the favor in this country?
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Originally posted by dmf
I know I'm right, and in a few months he'll be right back in the US illegally and doing the same thing all over again. I say try him and put him in prison alien or not. If we go to another country and commit a crime we get thrown in jail. Gee why can't we return the favor in this country?
Because the American working class is responsible for supporting the rest of the world.
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DMF, usually if an Illegal commits a crime, he does prison time, and then immdediately after serving his time, he is sent to ICE and then deported.
DMF, yes, it was a drunk driver that killed. It was ALSO an illegal immigrant that killed.
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Originally posted by Chairboy The problem is the type of rhetoric being thrown around in support of those goals is dangerous because it serves to dehumanize the illegal immigrants.[/B]
Chair, have you in the past pretty much said the same thing generally enough the same way?
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Originally posted by Kurt
:huh
What has he accomplished (other than landing a network job)?
He's a talking head.. well, a yelling head.
Besides doing much to promote the adoption of "Jesica's Law" by many states he has exposed many liberal judges who were outrageously promoting their own agenda over justice.
DMF, surely you will admit that these two girls would not have been killed by this illegal alien had it not been for both lax border control and the refusal of our judges to apply our laws to him?
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
DMF, usually if an Illegal commits a crime, he does prison time, and then immdediately after serving his time, he is sent to ICE and then deported.
DMF, yes, it was a drunk driver that killed. It was ALSO an illegal immigrant that killed.
You know that I know that, both the families that, one family has been seen on tv so far and they want the media circus to stop, all they want is time to grieve and a dui driver to pay for his crime, they don't care where he's from, everybody here locally is turning it into a illegal alien issue, not a dui issue. Who cares where your from? A crime is a crime.
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Originally posted by dmf
A crime is a crime.
I love you dmf...Marry me? :D
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No Hap Im good to go. Im not running for office, or have to maintain an appearance of political correctness. If it were up to me, I'd seal the border and round up every illegal and send em packin. Its that wishy washy attitude thats gonna come around and bite us in the backside one day.
Don't be ashamed of your blessings, but for God's sake don't fritter them away.
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You know, even though that guy has been caught, even thought the two girls are already dead, There is still one more tragedy to unfold. This guy is a Mexican, right? Let's say he goes to Prison. Inside, He'll most likely join a prison gang, such as the one that M.S. 13 runs inside, or La Familia, doesn't matter. He'll do it so he can stay alive. He'll get used to instituional living (Paid for by taxpayers, such as the parents of the dead girl.) He'll get used to smuggling, and other crimes. When he get's out, and eventually gets deported, He'll be in Mexico for a little while, then come back up.
But this time, he'll have his gang contacts to help him.
Bad scenario, but it happens.
I worked a job where one of the labourers' did exactly that.
After he did his time, he was right back up here...working a 21.25$ an hour job. And trying to sell smack to one of the guys on the job, somebody said something, and he dissappeared.
They know how to work our system, don't doubt it.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
You know, even though that guy has been caught, even thought the two girls are already dead, There is still one more tragedy to unfold. This guy is a Mexican, right? Let's say he goes to Prison. Inside, He'll most likely join a prison gang, such as the one that M.S. 13 runs inside, or La Familia, doesn't matter. He'll do it so he can stay alive. He'll get used to instituional living (Paid for by taxpayers, such as the parents of the dead girl.) He'll get used to smuggling, and other crimes. When he get's out, and eventually gets deported, He'll be in Mexico for a little while, then come back up.
But this time, he'll have his gang contacts to help him.
Bad scenario, but it happens.
I worked a job where one of the labourers' did exactly that.
After he did his time, he was right back up here...working a 21.25$ an hour job. And trying to sell smack to one of the guys on the job, somebody said something, and he dissappeared.
They know how to work our system, don't doubt it.
Yes they do. The more time you spend in prison, the more you learn.
P.S. It is the intentions of the illegals to overthrow the American People.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I love you dmf...Marry me? :D
Sorry, but it will be a very LONG time before I get married again. I got burned once, not quite ready to get back in the fire yet
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
You know, even though that guy has been caught, even thought the two girls are already dead, There is still one more tragedy to unfold. This guy is a Mexican, right? Let's say he goes to Prison. Inside, He'll most likely join a prison gang, such as the one that M.S. 13 runs inside, or La Familia, doesn't matter. He'll do it so he can stay alive. He'll get used to instituional living (Paid for by taxpayers, such as the parents of the dead girl.) He'll get used to smuggling, and other crimes. When he get's out, and eventually gets deported, He'll be in Mexico for a little while, then come back up.
But this time, he'll have his gang contacts to help him.
Bad scenario, but it happens.
I worked a job where one of the labourers' did exactly that.
After he did his time, he was right back up here...working a 21.25$ an hour job. And trying to sell smack to one of the guys on the job, somebody said something, and he dissappeared.
They know how to work our system, don't doubt it.
Ok heres an Idea then. Tie his hands together, hook them on the back bumper of a car, drive it about 45 miles an hour till he's dead. then stop and unhook his hands, and leave him for the buzzards to pick at. That sound better?
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"She do no smile ... eef she ees my woman I woo make her to smile." ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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May I drive the truck?
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Originally posted by Hap
Chair, have you in the past pretty much said the same thing generally enough the same way?
I'm not sure I can decipher that sentence, but I don't think my opinions on this subject have changed greatly in years, if that's what you're asking.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Drunks don't have colors. They're drunks.
Keep the country safe?!!!! From what? Drunks?!!!!!! Get off of your shoddy soapbox. If 90% of Americans didn't have such a chitty attitude about the rest of the world, this wouldn't even be an issue.
I didn't say anything about color did I. What are you talking about? Soapbox? The guy that killed the girl was an illegal immigrant, that's the whole point of the story. I don't care if he was as white as snow, if your an illegal, you don't belong here.
Being a drunk is a secondary issue. If HE WAS NOT HERE, the girl WOULD BE ALIVE.
You kind of helped me make my first point though, thanks. The man that was responsible for the death of a young american girl, was an illegal immigrant, regardless of how.
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Oh and if your going to use quotes, please at least quote the whole paragraph.
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Originally posted by dmf
I know I'm right, and in a few months he'll be right back in the US illegally and doing the same thing all over again. I say try him and put him in prison alien or not. If we go to another country and commit a crime we get thrown in jail. Gee why can't we return the favor in this country?
I agree on that 100%. Our system failed the first part, but i hope it doesn't fail the second.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I bet so too. If you do a little research you can find out exactly how precise that figure is.
Don't throw that smarmy "do a little research" line at me. You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.
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Hey! Maybe we should call California Mexico West? ;)
I'm all for people coming to the US legally. Let's face it that is how our country was founded. It is probably one of the reasons our country does well in many areas because of the many attributes of the various ethnic backgrounds. A diversity that few nations have of this magnitude. Different thoughts and ideas from different viewpoints and experiences are always very valuable and helpful to all.
However I'm not fond of coming to this country illegaly. We work hard to pay taxes and other such fees to insure our future in retirement, to pay local, state and federal officials, to maintain our infrastructure and pay our Safety Forces and Public Education. I would surmise that those who think being in this country illegaly and reaping the benefits that we pay for is fine. I don't happen to think so. I believe in paying my way....and I feel that they should pay theirs also. I as well as many donate to charities of our choice. Supporting people being in this country illegaly is not one of my charities. I do not appreciate benefits shrinking due to the payment of people that shouldn't be here. We educate them and provide services for them when we can hardly afford them. If they wish to become legal and/or Citizens of the US I would be more then glad to shake their hand and welcome them and insist they get the benefits that citizens of the US deserve. Other then that.....if you aren't legal, go home please.
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Here's another 5 gallon can of gas for the fire.....
WASHINGTON – Charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl, Juan Leonardo Qunitero had been deported back to Mexico in 1999 as an illegal alien. Nevertheless, last week, he was back in the U.S., living comfortably in a city that prohibited police from asking anyone about their immigration status.
Rodney Johnson was a 12-year veteran on the Houston police force. Married with five children, he was big, kind-hearted and unafraid of working the toughest gang beats or late-night shifts.
On Thursday, Sept. 21, around 5:30 p.m., he pulled over a white Ford pickup driving 50 mph in a 30 mph zone in what should have been a routine traffic stop. The driver, Quintero, had neither a driver's license nor any other identification so, after a pat down, Johnson handcuffed him and placed him in the back of his patrol car. But Johnson missed the gun in Quintero's waistband. The prisoner pulled it out and fired four times at Johnson at close range.
When Johnson was laid to rest this week after his execution-style murder he joined a growing list of law enforcers gunned down by foreign criminals. Meanwhile, in Florida, a sheriff’s deputy was killed and another shot in the leg yesterday after they pursued a motorist who ran away from a traffic stop.
Deputy Vernon Matthew “Matt” Williams and his K-9 unit were shot dead, officials said. Deputy Doug Speirs was shot in the leg but was expected to recover. Polk County sheriff’s deputies early today said they shot and killed a suspect, described as a black man with a Jamaican accent with dreadlocks.
Though no government agency in the U.S. – not the FBI nor Immigration and Customs Enforcement – tracks violent crimes by illegal aliens, even murders of police officers, a search by WND of news reports in the last three years shows law enforcement personnel are hardly immune to deadly carnage wrought by untracked, undocumented armed predators inside the country.
Less than a year ago, Nov. 12, 2005, Dallas police officer Brian Jackson met the same fate.
It seems Juan Lizcano, an illegal alien who worked as a gardener, had a few too many drinks that Saturday evening before heading to the home of Marta Cruz, according to a witness who accompanied him.
Again, police responded early Sunday morning to a domestic disturbance call at Cruz's home and were told that Lizcano had threatened his ex-girlfriend and fired a handgun inside the house. He was gone by the time officers arrived.
About 45 minutes later, officers were notified that Lizcano had returned to the home. Officers pursued him on foot as the suspect jumped over fences and ran through yards.
Officer Jackson died of a wound to his right underarm, near his protective vest, suffered in a gunfight with Lizcano. He and his wife, JoAnn, a respiratory therapist, had been married less than four months.
In Denver, Raul Gomez-Garcia, another illegal alien charged with shooting two police officers at a crowded party where both the gunmen's wife and 2-year-old daughter were seated, was convicted last week.
Gomez-Garcia, 21, faced trial in Denver District Court for second-degree murder of Denver police officer Donald "Donnie" Young and attempted first-degree murder of Detective Jack Bishop. The two officers were shot in the back May 8, 2005, as they worked security at an invitation-only baptismal party.
The officers had turned Gomez-Garcia away from the party. He returned later, intent on shooting the two officers.
Gomez-Garcia has almost no education, is illiterate and explained to investigators that he had carried a loaded gun since he was 13 years old. He came to the United States when he was 8 and lived in south central Los Angeles.
Perhaps one of the most dramatic stories of a police officer being shot by an illegal alien is the case of shooting Arizona sheriff's deputy Sean Pearce, an 11-year veteran of the force who served a search warrant Dec. 16, 2004, at a Mesa trailer home.
Hiding behind a Christmas tree inside was Jorge Luis Guerra Vargas, a 22-year-old illegal alien who opened fire on Pearce.
Ironically, at the time of the shooting, Pearce's father, Russell, an Arizona legislator, was in Washington giving a speech about illegal immigration at the Brookings Institution when he got the message to call home. His wife, he knew, "wouldn't be calling if it wasn't important. It had to do with the children." Pearce excused himself from the podium and found a phone to hear the tragic news.
An investigation of local news reports found dozens more cases of police officers slain by illegal aliens. They include:
Deputy Brandon Winfield
Deputy Brandon "Brandy" Winfield, 29, of the Marion County, Ohio, sheriff's department, was murdered Oct. 17, 2004. Winfield was on routine patrol when he stopped to assist what he thought was a stranded motorist. Winfield later was found shot in the head in his vehicle, which had hit a guard rail and flipped into a ravine. Both of those charges in the crime were illegal aliens.
Detective Hugo Arango, 24, of the Doroville, Ga., police department, was murdered May 13, 2000. Arango was shot and killed after having been flagged down by a club patron who indicated that some men had been breaking into cars outside of a nightclub. Detective Arango located three suspects and detained them. As he searched for weapons, Bautista Ramirez, an illegal alien from Mexico, shot Arango four times. The first shot took off one of his fingers, the second went through his thigh. As Arango lay on the ground helpless, Ramirez intentionally fired one round through Arango's badge, and then executed him with a shot to his head that severed his brain stem.
National Park Service ranger Kristopher "Kriss" Eggle, 28, was murdered Aug. 9, 2002. Ranger Eggle was shot and killed in the line of duty at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument while pursuing members of a drug cartel hit squad which fled into the U.S. after committing a string of murders in Mexico.
Deputy Saul Gallegos
Deputy Saul Gallegos, 35, of the Chelan County, Wash., sheriff's department was murdered June 26, 2003. Gallegos was shot and killed after stopping a vehicle in a routine traffic stop. Jose Sanchez-Guillen, 22, who had been deported three times to Mexico, was found guilty of aggravated first-degree murder.
Deputy Sheriff David March
Deputy Sheriff David March, 33, of the Los Angeles County sheriff's department, was murdered April 29, 2002. March was on routine patrol when he made a traffic stop. The driver, Armando Garcia, shot March in the chest and the head – execution style. Garcia had been deported three times, had a long history of drug charges, violent crimes and weapons charges. The illegal alien from Mexico was already wanted for two attempted murders.
Officer Tony Zeppetella, 27, of the Oceanside, Calif., police department, was murdered June 13, 2003. Zeppetella stopped Adrien George Camacho for a traffic violation. Camacho pulled out a gun and shot the officer. Camacho then pistol-whipped the injured officer before shooting him again, killing him with the officer's own gun. Camacho is an illegal alien and gang member from Mexico with a criminal history that includes five previous felony convictions and several deportations.
A Huntsville, Ala., police officer, Daniel Howard Golden, 27, was shot multiple times by Benito Albarran, 31, an illegal immigrant in August 2005.
While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens, there have been some efforts to quantify the loss. Last December, Mac Johnson set out to investigate the number of homicides perpetrated by illegal aliens. Since the federal government would not provide any useful information, he contacted all 50 statehouses. Three months later, he had fewer than a dozen responses. Only one state, Vermont, provided any useful information.
He then set out to statistically estimate the number of murders by illegal aliens based on available crime data and conservative estimates of the actually number of illegal aliens in the country – which, of course, nobody really knows.
He found that between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. are murdered annually by illegal aliens. If he's right, that would represent between 11 percent and 15 percent of all murders in the U.S.
In one study of a sample 55,000 illegal immigrants serving prison sentences in the U.S., it was discovered that they are responsible for over 400,000 arrests and over 700,000 felony crimes.
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens
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but but shaky, they are just hard working family men who just want the american dream...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hajo, what are your thoughts on US citizens who evade taxes?
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You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.
Is it? Just how do you know that it is preposterous? Where is your evidence? Seriously though, 26,000 every year does seem very high.
How many would have to die before you thought it to be a serious problem?
Here's some sorrowful info:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place),it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators
Do you find these numbers acceptable? Should we continue to have open borders?
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Originally posted by Rolex
Don't throw that smarmy "do a little research" line at me. You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.
I think he misplaced a comma. Still, according this report more americans are killed by illegal aliens than in Iraq. Where's the outrage demonstrated by those so vehemently opposed to our presence in Iraq?
American killed by illegal aliens (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/02/23/more-americans-killed-by-illegal-aliens-than-iraq-war/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onenewsnow.com%2F2007%2F02%2Fmore_americans_killed_by_illeg.php&frame=true)
"Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population."
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You republicristians gotta get your cards straight. If you want to stop homosexuals from marrying you HAVE to let the illegals in to clean the boss's house and cut his lawn. sheesh.
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"How many would have to die before you thought it to be a serious problem?" -- Steve
What a ridicuous thing to write. Where do you get off trying to paint me as someone who supports and defends illegal aliens and the crimes they commit? So tell us, Steve, when did you stop beating your wife?
@lukster - Surprisingly, he defended the number in a subsequent post. Like I should do some research...
A blogger somewhere is probably quoting that number and using the O'Club as the source. :eek:
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Originally posted by Speed55
I didn't say anything about color did I. What are you talking about? Soapbox? The guy that killed the girl was an illegal immigrant, that's the whole point of the story. I don't care if he was as white as snow, if your an illegal, you don't belong here.
Being a drunk is a secondary issue. If HE WAS NOT HERE, the girl WOULD BE ALIVE.
You kind of helped me make my first point though, thanks. The man that was responsible for the death of a young american girl, was an illegal immigrant, regardless of how.
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Oh and if your going to use quotes, please at least quote the whole paragraph.
He's an Illegal Mexican right? Color is implied.
I GUARANTEE you the family disagrees with you. If the Illegal WASN'T drunk, nobody would know he was illegal. Amazing on how the D.C. sniper was an Illegal as well, but you never heard about it. I love the media, pick and choose, but O'Reilly got pwnd. He is a tool.
Didn't need to quote the whole thing. I never supported any of your points. I live in a state with the largest unprotected border in the nation.
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Chairboy....not paying taxes is against the Law....guess that should explain my feelings about that. Pay your share. Doesn't matter who.
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Originally posted by MrBill
"She do no smile ... eef she ees my woman I woo make her to smile." ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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May I drive the truck?
Yes you can, but I get shotgun
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Originally posted by Speed55
I agree on that 100%. Our system failed the first part, but i hope it doesn't fail the second.
It will the system will always fail until its fixed. Don't ask me how to fix it cause nobody wants to hear my answer.
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Originally posted by Rolex
"How many would have to die before you thought it to be a serious problem?" -- Steve
What a ridicuous thing to write. Where do you get off trying to paint me as someone who supports and defends illegal aliens and the crimes they commit? So tell us, Steve, when did you stop beating your wife?
@lukster - Surprisingly, he defended the number in a subsequent post. Like I should do some research...
A blogger somewhere is probably quoting that number and using the O'Club as the source. :eek:
Somehow I doubt bloggers give a ripped patootie about what goes on in the OClub.
Representative Steve King of Iowa reported (http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ia05_king/col_20060505_bite.html) that 12 Americans are murdered each day, and that 13 are fatally hit by drunk drivers each day. AAA reported (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51667) that 20% of all fatal accidents in the U.S. are commited by drivers without a valid drivers license. The FBI (and the State of California) estimates that about 2/3 of those are illegal aliens. Carried out on a national level that comes out to approximately 8000 deaths annually in car accidents alone. The problem with doing an actual count is that reports of events as in the reports above deal with percentages and ratios rather than hard and fast counts.
So your going to tell me that 12000 is nothing like 26000 and I should shutup. that would be wrong so dont go there. 1 death is too many when we are dealing with criminals and illegal aliens are criminals (note the word 'illegal'). I havent even begun to look into negligent homicides yet and Ive already got a large percentage of the number I stated (which I got from a respected radio journalist). I accept the number as accurate but even if we go with the lower numbers you can see that more people have died right here in the US than have been killed in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars combined. That makes illegal aliens a more imminent threat than Islamic Fascists by a large margin.