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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: IronDog on April 09, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
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In an earlier thread I forecast a lopsided win for the P39.That never happened.I congratulate the B25,and it's supporters.I'm glad for Toad,and sad for eskimo.Both people enriched my ww2 warplane knowledge,and AH is better off for two people sharing their information,that we might benefit.I would hope that someday the P39 might be considered for the AH plane set.
IronDog
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Well said on Eskimo and Toad.
I know i have poked a lot of fun at the vote, but it is nice to see a real passion for something with genuine reasons, rather than "just because it is uber". I always find the personal stories fascinating.
to both of you, and sorry eskimo - i hope that the P-39 is added one day for your father in law.
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vote was fixed :D waffles dad also flew the b25
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Now lets push for the P39 for eskimo. :)
For some reason.... I think HTC is already on it .. I hope so anyway :aok
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Originally posted by Coach
For some reason.... I think HTC is already on it .. I hope so anyway :aok
I thought that too, would be great :)
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voting drop off prolly = the way those planes will be released:lol
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Definately the 39 next for Eskimo's dad
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Yup......P39 next
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Originally posted by TwinBoom
vote was fixed :D waffles dad also flew the b25
Actually, I believe Waffle's dad flew a B-29.
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was really looking forward to cleaning up in the P39
Guess now the dive bombers (in AH) have another toy.
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:noid :noid :noid :D
Hmmmmm B-29 you said?
Frodo
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Originally posted by Pyro
Actually, I believe Waffle's dad flew a B-29.
and b-25s :)
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Originally posted by Pyro
Actually, I believe Waffle's dad flew a B-29.
Yeah, one of those too ;)
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Originally posted by IronDog
In an earlier thread I forecast a lopsided win for the P39.
I thought the P-39 would win by a wide margin, too. This outcome surprised me.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
was really looking forward to cleaning up in the P39
Guess now the dive bombers (in AH) have another toy.
Oh come on Shuff, shouldn't be that big a switch from driving B-38s :D
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Originally posted by Brooke
I thought the P-39 would win by a wide margin, too. This outcome surprised me.
Just shows there are more bomber pilots in game than we thought there were.
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Actually I thought the whole vote thing was a great idea. My first choice got cut early, my second choice got cut in the final vote. However the whole experiance was a blast. I hope they do this again one day.
to your Father Toad, and Waffle. Eskimo to your Father in Law as well.
If nothing else this vote had us all thinking about some of the men who actually flew these machines and we're all lucky to still have some of them in our midst.
:aok
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I thought the P-39 would win by a wide margin, too. This outcome surprised me.
I too was in momentary shock when I checked the website and found out.
IMO, it was certainly the name recognition factor among the players who are not WWII aviation experts. If you didn't know either plane very well and read the wikipedia link for these two, well lets just say the outcome is now a no-brainer. For instance: Line two of the P-39 Wikipedia page says "handicapped", whereas on the B-25 page the first thing you read is "used with devastating effect".
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of guys that know the Mitchell and wanted it without reading up on it and their reasons are sound, but I'd be willing to bet that the bulk of the folks that voted for the P39 are more well read on the subject of aviation. I'd be willing to bet the time logged on a per user basis in AH for the P39 voters is higher than the B-25 voters. I'd also be willing to bet that their $14.95 still only bought 1 vote nonetheless.
Having said that, the vote was a nice gesture and much appreciated. I look forward to my Mitchell test drive :) Here's to HTC putting the P-39 and A-26 next on the list:aok
Magoo
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Originally posted by Pyro
Actually, I believe Waffle's dad flew a B-29.
B-29 for Waffle's Dad! :t
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Thanks guys, it will come.
Meanwhile the B-25 is a very cool plane and will be used well and often.
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My dad flew a Halifax..................... just sayin.
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Originally posted by Tilt
My dad flew a Halifax..................... just sayin.
That's cool too. I wonder just how many guys we have in here that have Fathers, and grandfathers that flew in WWII. It would be cool to get everyone to post their history.
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Originally posted by Tilt
My dad flew a Halifax..................... just sayin.
More!
Tell us more! got any pictures?
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Originally posted by Magoo
I too was in momentary shock when I checked the website and found out.
IMO, it was certainly the name recognition factor among the players who are not WWII aviation experts. If you didn't know either plane very well and read the wikipedia link for these two, well lets just say the outcome is now a no-brainer. For instance: Line two of the P-39 Wikipedia page says "handicapped", whereas on the B-25 page the first thing you read is "used with devastating effect".
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of guys that know the Mitchell and wanted it without reading up on it and their reasons are sound, but I'd be willing to bet that the bulk of the folks that voted for the P39 are more well read on the subject of aviation. I'd be willing to bet the time logged on a per user basis in AH for the P39 voters is higher than the B-25 voters. I'd also be willing to bet that their $14.95 still only bought 1 vote nonetheless.
Having said that, the vote was a nice gesture and much appreciated. I look forward to my Mitchell test drive :) Here's to HTC putting the P-39 and A-26 next on the list:aok
Magoo
This is one of the most asinine posts I have ever read.
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Originally posted by Magoo
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of guys that know the Mitchell and wanted it without reading up on it and their reasons are sound, but I'd be willing to bet that the bulk of the folks that voted for the P39 are more well read on the subject of aviation. I'd be willing to bet the time logged on a per user basis in AH for the P39 voters is higher than the B-25 voters.
Au contraire, monsieur. The fact that these two planes were the finalists - and almost equal in the last vote - shows that history is still alive in AH. As many have pointed out, neither plane is as good in its class as other planes we already have. (Had the 39 won, we would have heard the same "hangar queen" comments from the 25 afficionados.) The distinction these planes held over ALL of the other contenders is their widespread use during WWII.
I was in favor of the 39, but only because I don't fly bombers. If any other plane was going to win, I'm glad it was the 25. The mid-war people, and possibly the early-war people, are now going to have something besides Ju-88s and Bostons to fly. The SEA people and the AvA people are already talking about strafing and skip-bombing ships, and parafrags are probably a short step behind. Even the late-war crowd is anticipating a 75mm option with which to shoot up hangars during their wars of conquest. There's something for everyone in the B-25. And best of all, it ties you in with a big part of history, in a way that G55s and Do335s could never do.
- oldman
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Since the P39 and the B25 did so well comparatively, perhaps HTC will reward their loyal customer base by providing both planes in the same update.
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When My Dad, (WWII B25 Driver), saw that I was flying in AH, he asked. "Where's the B25?" Told him it wasn't in the game and he more or less said that it sucked it wasn't.
Told him today that the B25 was voted in and now he's going to come into the game.
Now, depending on how accurately they program the flight characteristics in the game, (I realize there is a lot that affects how close it will be to the real thing) and based on some stories he has told me..........
We are all in trouble when he shows up.
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Originally posted by 68Boomer
When My Dad, (WWII B25 Driver), saw that I was flying in AH, he asked. "Where's the B25?" Told him it wasn't in the game and he more or less said that it sucked it wasn't.
Told him today that the B25 was voted in and now he's going to come into the game.
Now, depending on how accurately they program the flight characteristics in the game, (I realize there is a lot that affects how close it will be to the real thing) and based on some stories he has told me..........
We are all in trouble when he shows up.
Cool story!
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Well, I wanted the A-26, in the end voted for the P-39. My Dad flew in the C-119 and we didn't get it ether. Oh yea too new and a real pig. We got a new toy and we can play with it or not. Its our choice. Choice is a good thing.:aok
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Originally posted by 68Boomer
We are all in trouble when he shows up.
:aok
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my grandfather was 13 years old and evacuated to America on a merchant vessle. wheres my damn merchant vessle??:furious
:)
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great grandfather was an rcaf spit pilot in the battle of britain. his father died at vimy i believe.
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My grandpa drove a bulldozer building the transalaska highway.
Not real exciting, but hey -- I want the Bulldozer in AH! John Wayne used the blade as a bulletproof shield in The Fighting Seabees!!
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My grandpa used to be in Minesweeper at Omaha beach, was sunk, he swam to other 'sweeper, that 1 sunk, swam to last 'sweeper and wasnt sunka again. His brother was in B-17, shot down, captured, escaped, lived and was able to get to allies' front line. We already have B-17, so...
MINESWEEPER AND MINES! :aok
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My dad was a command pilot and during his 30 year USAF career he flew the F-86 (post Korea war), B-57 (SEA), F-100 (briefly, unit changed a/c) and F-4 (SEA) and various other allied a/c while in the capacity as an Air Attache'.
He saw me flying AH a number of years ago (he was about 68 years old at the time) and was really amazed at how realistic it looked. I convinced him to give it a try. He got frustrated with it pretty quickly. His main gripe was that it didn't "feel" like he was flying and it was hard for him to know what was going around all around him.
It was still pretty cool when he saw what I was doing and recognized my manovers.
Originally posted by 68Boomer
When My Dad, (WWII B25 Driver), saw that I was flying in AH, he asked. "Where's the B25?" Told him it wasn't in the game and he more or less said that it sucked it wasn't.
Told him today that the B25 was voted in and now he's going to come into the game.
Now, depending on how accurately they program the flight characteristics in the game, (I realize there is a lot that affects how close it will be to the real thing) and based on some stories he has told me..........
We are all in trouble when he shows up.
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My family starved during ww2.I want hunger to Aces High!
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My Dad was too young during WW2, but he served in Korea as a tail gunner in a B-29.
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My father was in the Coast Artillery in WWI,43rd CAC,big railway jobs.My brother was in the field artillery in WWII,155mm,36th Infantry division.Bring the artillery to AH!
ID
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Originally posted by Shifty
That's cool too. I wonder just how many guys we have in here that have Fathers, and grandfathers that flew in WWII. It would be cool to get everyone to post their history.
I don't have any relatives that were combat pilots, but I do know Colonel Charles McGee of the Tuskegee Airman. He's flown in three American wars and still holds the record for the most combat missions flow by ANY American pilot. His list of combat aircraft flown are; P-40L, P-39Q, P-47D, P-51B&D, F-51, F-80, F-86, C-47, and RF-4C. He's quite an accomplished man. He's an extremely humble gentlemen and a all around nice guy.
Colonel McGee
http://www.legendsofairpower.com/biographies/mcgee.htm
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by swareiam
He's flown in three American wars and still holds the record for the most combat missions flow by ANY American pilot. His list of combat aircraft flown are; P-40L, P-39Q, P-47D, P-51B&D, F-51, F-80, F-86, C-47, and RF-4C.
http://www.legendsofairpower.com/biographies/mcgee.htm
Cheers:aok
Holy Cow!
McGee fought in three wars-WWII, Korea, and Vietnam-and racked up over 6300 flight hours by the time he retired.
Most WWII pilots never got near 1,000 (I believe).
He has spent o total of over 9 months in the air, much of it in combat; wow!
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Originally posted by IronDog
In an earlier thread I forecast a lopsided win for the P39.That never happened.I congratulate the B25,and it's supporters.I'm glad for Toad,and sad for eskimo.Both people enriched my ww2 warplane knowledge,and AH is better off for two people sharing their information,that we might benefit.I would hope that someday the P39 might be considered for the AH plane set.
IronDog
I DEmand a recount in Florida! :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :mad:
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Hi all.
My Dad was a b-26 pilot and flew 52 missions over Germany. He was in the 9th AAF 391st bomb group. He has shared many stories about the b-26 and it was a very dangerous airplane to fly until the pilot grew accustomed to its characteristics. It turned out to be one of the most survivable bombers in the war. He has a picture of one b-26 that landed and the fuselage where the waist gunner sat was gone. Unfortunately so was the gunner. The hole was so large the tail gunner couldn't get across it to the main fuselage and had to sweat out the flight back and also the landing not knowing weather the tail would separate from the rest of the plane or not. The plane got the surviving crew home safely.
One of the planes he flew had the nose art of a duck that was flying backwards. The planes name was "The Swoose". The duck didn't care where he was going only where he had been. This is where I got my call sign from.
We sit in our comfortable "cockpits" at home while the real crews had to endure well below freezing cockpits over Germany in the winter. Because the heat came off of the exhaust system they couldn't use it when in combat for fear of carbon monoxide poisoning in case of battle damage to the system. On one mission the oil was so cold he actually lost an engine but was able to restart it and make it back to base. He lost altitude with the engine out and it was real uncomfortable to be below the formation when they had their bomb doors open and approaching the target. LOL.
Just thought I would share some of the stories he told me. I wish he could tell me more but unfortunately he passed a few years ago. If you have a WWII vet in the family or know one take time to hear some war stories from them. You will not be sorry you did. For more info on the 391st visit http://www.391stbombgroup.com. My Dads name was Norman Sherwood and his picture is in the crew pictures.
Hope to see you in the virtual skies ,
Gary "Swoose Sherwood
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Great stuff Swoose, thanks for sharing it.
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One Grandfather was plane captain for a sub hunter PBY in the Gulf of Mexico in WW2 and the other one was a SeaBee in the SoPac and SWPac in WW2. My Dad flew first UH-1E Huey gunships in Vietnam in '67-'68, he was at both Ke Sahn and Hue City, in '71 he transitioned to A-4 Skyhawks and was in VMA-211 in '72-'73 flying out of Chu Lai, and Bien Hoa.
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Originally posted by Coach
Now lets push for the P39 for eskimo. :)
For some reason.... I think HTC is already on it .. I hope so anyway :aok
Hell guys that's easy , alls it takes is a few cases of scotch to a putz .........
in grapevine ... :rofl :rofl :rofl
Bob/CHECKERS
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My dad's got quite a few hours in Mixmasters...can we get an O-2? :D
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My grandfather flew B-25's in cadets , he missed WWII but flew C-47 radio relay missions in Korea . He will enjoy the B-25 as well , he already has a few hops in a goon offline. He said the goony seemed right on , he just cant get used to the screen moving , but his prettythang staying in the same place heehh