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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on April 09, 2007, 09:33:28 PM
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Anybody using green laser sights on your guns? How do you like them? Any problems or limitations?
Friend of mine started to buy a red laser/light for his Springfield XD .45 ACP, but delayed until he can check out some of the new green laser sights now being offered.
I read that green laser pointers by themselves are being used in Iraq in traffic checkpoints to slow down or temporarily deter potential problems.
Green lasers reportedly are much more visible at longer ranges in daylight.
Do you think green laser gun sights eventually will replace red laser gun sights?
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In my opinion, they're a gimmick and not very useful.
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Oops, I meant to post this in your other laser sight thread.
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Originally posted by Halo
Do you think green laser gun sights eventually will replace red laser gun sights?
How is the price on them? Traditionally green lasers have been much more expensive than comparable red lasers.
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I'd rather buy another gun then buy a laser. IMHO There is really no need for all that fancy stuff.
P.S. A laser light travels in a straight line, a .45 round does not. If you intend to be shooting past 25 yards I would not think about it at all with a .45 round.
P.P.S. I know a State Trooper who can place six rounds of his 1911 model Colt .45 into a two and a half inch circle at 50 yards, he must shoot it close to a 40 degree up angle to make the shots.
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Money would be better spent on a quality set of Night Sights.
Xargos is correct, even though I have Cor Bon 230gr (950 fps) loaded in my USP, I wouldn't be shooting past 15-20 yards.
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Originally posted by Xargos
P.P.S. I know a State Trooper who can place six rounds of his 1911 model Colt .45 into a two and a half inch circle at 50 yards, he must shoot it close to a 40 degree up angle to make the shots.
Well he needs to be training the rest of the nations police forces then.
Cause it seems almost every time I hear of cops using guns these days either they fire a chitload of rounds with only a few hitting their targets.
Or they end up shooing each other by mistake.
Its gotten to the point where its happening so often Im starting to wonder if they shouldnt be called "the Gang that couldnt shoot straight" instead LOL
Now before anyone starts.
Im joking
I know that shooting at a stationary target at a rangeis alot different then a high pressure situation.
But it does seem to be happing with increasing frequency
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Dred, He's on the pistol team and was ranked number two in the State Comp last time I spoke to him. He has a reloading machine the size of a small car that can make 3000 rounds an hour and then he can step out the door of his shed and fire them. Wish I had a setup like that.
P.S. The more I think about it, the more I think it might have been a Gold Cup .45 he used.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Dred, He's on the pistol team and was ranked number two in the State Comp last time I spoke to him. He has a reloading machine the size of a small car that can make 3000 rounds an hour and then he can step out the door of his shed and fire them. Wish I had a setup like that.
P.S. The more I think about it, the more I think it might have been a Gold Cup .45 he used.
all the more reason he should be training the rest of the nations police forces LOL
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Green light is the most visable to the human eye, therefore the most effecient, but red lasers are more economical to make.
Really 40 degrees to attain a range of 50 yards? A projectile will have it's maximum range from a trajectory of roughly 45 degrees. If what this state trooper is saying is true, that means the maximum possible range that his 45 will throw a bullet is little more than half a football field. People can throw things farther than that.
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I watched him shoot in his back yard, and it looked close to a 40 degree angle to me. He said it was not recommended to shoot past 50 yards with a .45 if you can help it. He showed me how powerful the .45 was at close range compared with other rounds and I was very impressed, but I still prefer my wheelgun.
P.S. He was talking about how certain rounds overloaded the nerves system better then others and how you wanted the energy to stay in the target instead of traveling through it. He talks way over my head about the details.
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every lazer sight I have seen is pretty worthless at range... like 20 yards or so because it is moving around so much on the target.. it is amazing at how big of an ark or even circle 8 you will make with a handgun with the sight.
even if you are not nervous.. it will look like you are.
If getting on target is a big deal... learn to use the sights the gun came with or... learn to point shoot... or... get a "ghost ring" or appeture sight.
as for 45's... when my eyes were younger I felt that any 44 mag round that would shoot fist sized groups from 50 yards standing was pretty good... now I can barely do that from a rest.. the 45 will shoot out to 50 yards fairly flat if it is a couple inches high at 25...
We were shooting some desert plinking at a 4' round target at 400 yards.. The 45 would not reach the target with any hold that made sense.. even aiming at the few puffy clouds the round would drop short. aiming at blue sky gave no reference. a 44 mag would reach just by holding up all of the front sight.
lazs
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Originally posted by Xargos
P.P.S. I know a State Trooper who can place six rounds of his 1911 model Colt .45 into a two and a half inch circle at 50 yards, he must shoot it close to a 40 degree up angle to make the shots.
Is this something you have seen yourself? To me this is either an obvious fabrication or gross exageration. I've shot a .45 out to 100 yards in competition and definitely not used a 40 degree elevation hold.
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Maybe I'm just a bad judge on angles, but I was standing right next to him when he did it and he seemed to be aiming high to me. I'd be lucky to hit center mass with a .45 at 50 yards. I've owned several .45s but never really got any good shooting past 25 yards with them.
P.S. What kind of grouping do you get at 100 yards?
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Stand with one arm pointing straight up. Point the other arm straight ahead parallel to the ground. Half of the angle between straight up and horizontal is 45 degrees or just about what you claim he was shooting at. That's bogus for shooting a .45 at 50 yards unless he's shooting squib loads and those wouldn't have enough recoil to cycle the slide.
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I'm not going to argue with you about it because I know your right. I just made a bad call on the angle.
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No biggie
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Mave, what .45 do you use for competition?
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100 yards or even 200 is not that hard to do with a 45.. at 200 with a good tall front sight you can hold all the sight up and hold high and lob some in.
I shot a lot at 50 yards but never noticed any real angle to the gun. I will have to look again. 40 degrees seems about like what we were using to try to hit that 400 yard target if that is somewhere between straight out and straight up.
lazs
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Lazs, I've already been corrected on it. I either made a mistake on the range or the angle, but I'm sure it's the angle.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Mave, what .45 do you use for competition?
I had a slightly modified 70 series Mk4, not a Gold Cup. It was previously owned by a FBI agent that was going through a divorce. I got it at a REAL good price and that was good since I was a starving college student at the time. It was mostly stock other than having a S&W revolver sight mounted on it and a trigger job. It always shot better than I could. I used my own hand loads for competition with 185 gr. hard cast lead semi wad cutters (no copper base check) at about 800 FPS. It made for a medium soft recoil and was rock solid on cycling the slide so I had no issues with jams.
Today's "race guns" would make it look just about box stock. I left competition when it got to be a gamey operation with those who could afford the gimicks and toys getting the nod. I stopped using the .45 after I got on the department since it wasn't what I carried for real.
The last straw was being told my duty weapon (a Glock) had to be loaded to less than full capacity because the guys with the .45's couldn't carry the same number of rounds as I could. These guys had scopes, vented barrel recoil adapters on their guns along with competition holsters / gear and were afraid that my stock gun had more rounds than theirs did. I used my duty rig including snap holster and mag carriers. My idea was to practice and compete with the rig I had to use to depend on at work.
I haven't gone back to competition for over 20 years now.
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You want to see what a 45 can do??.... Read the book "Hell I was There" by Elmer Keith. It's a good read about a man who was well thought of by the Manufacturers of Guns & Ammo.
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read a lot of Kieth... He was a big advocate of the 45 colt and more importantly... the 44 special which he loaded to 44 mag pressures and velocities.
The old single action colts wouldn't take his hot 45 colt (not acp) loads so he went to the 44 special because it left more meat around the cartridge and the throat. He is said to be the father of the 44 mag.
a hot loaded 45 colt is nothing at all like any 45 acp that comes out of a self shucker.
lazs