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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RifleLance on April 09, 2007, 10:03:15 PM
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If you have not already heard, a beautiful memorial built by the state of Oregon to honor Oregonian WWII War hero Rex T. Barber has been horribly vandalized this past week.
If you know your WWII history, you know that Barber was the P38 fighter pilot who was credited with shooting down the Japanese plane carrying Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander in Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy. This victory was highly celebrated throughout America during the war, as Yamamoto was also the man who oversaw the planning of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The old Highway 97 bridge spanning the Crooked River Gourge in Oregon was replaced with a brand new modern one in 2003, over this beautiful gorge. The new Bridge was named after Barber, and a memorial honoring his service to his country was built at a nearby wayside.
Thieves, thought to perhaps be meth addicts, stole a beautiful bronze plaque that was at the center of this memorial, and told the story of his life. So for just the recycling cost of the copper in the plaque, this beautiful tribute to a P38 hero was desecrated.
Here is a photo of the memorial, showing the plaque in the center:
(http://www.bendweekly.com/files/REXBARBERin1.jpg)
And here is a closeup of the stolen plaque:
(http://www.bendweekly.com/files/REXBARBERin2.jpg)
Here is Barber's official service photo:
(http://www.sprucegoose.org/images/hoh_photos/Barber.jpg)
And here is on of him being awarded the Navy's highest award, the Navy Cross, for killing Yamamoto:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Barber_cross.jpg/413px-Barber_cross.jpg)
To read more about this terrible story, here are two news reports with more details down below.
This is such a shame that there are citizens living among us who would disrespect an American hero like this.
http://www.bendweekly.com/Central-Oregon-News/4461.html (http://www.bendweekly.com/Central-Oregon-News/4461.html)
http://www.ktvz.com/story.cfm?nav=news&storyID=19101 (http://www.ktvz.com/story.cfm?nav=news&storyID=19101)
Let us hope that the Oregon State Police catches these idiots.
Lance
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Just curious why the Navy would give an Army pilot the Navy Cross. You
are right though, it is very disrespectful to have his memorial mangled.
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We must be logical and scientific in our pursit of the culprit, and ask ourselves who had the most to gain by this theft. Who, above all others, hated Rex T. Barber? I think the answer is very clear.
Zombie Yamamoto did it.
This does suck though, and I hope it's simply some stupid bored kids who have it returned by the end of the week.
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Because he shot down the Japanese Navy's most important officer maybe?
You know, kill an enemy admiral and the Navy gives you an award. Just a guess on my part.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Because he shot down the Japanese Navy's most important officer maybe?
You know, kill an enemy admiral and the Navy gives you an award. Just a guess on my part.
Wonder if Lamphier got one too? The Air Force pussed out and awarded
them shared credit. The forensic evidence seems to support Barber's
account of the damage done to the Betty though.
I served with the 339th in the 80s, so naturally was interested in the
most important squadron moment.
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Originally posted by Engine
We must be logical and scientific in our pursit of the culprit, and ask ourselves who had the most to gain by this theft. Who, above all others, hated Rex T. Barber? I think the answer is very clear.
Zombie Yamamoto did it.
This does suck though, and I hope it's simply some stupid bored kids who have it returned by the end of the week.
No, most people here in Oregon suspect Meth Tweekers. They are a really big problem here, and in some other states too.
A man was snorkeling in a nearby river here, and a meth tweeker thought his head was a nutria varmint swimming in the river. So he then shot the guy in his head with a .22 LR rifle.
Here is a link to the complete news story:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/5692751.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/5692751.html)
And here is his photo:
[(http://media.katu.com/images/070208_Roderick_William2.jpg)
Actually, after looking at this guy's police photo, perhaps he is Yamamoto's ZOMBIE!! LOL
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SANTA?!
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I thought I would post a photo showing the pretty Crooked River Gorge, and the highway 97 bridge named after Barber, which you can see in the background. This new bridge is the closer one, with the old bridge being the one behind it.
The ugly old dude in the foreground is me, on one of my killing trips to eastern Oregon. Here is the photo:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/lance.jpg)
My hobby is shooting and killing things, both for real, and in games. I had fun picking off some marmots that were living in rocks at the top of the gorge, which runs for many miles. I managed to get a couple to slip off rocks when hit, and then plunge way down towards the river.
Here is a photo of a couple of marmots nailed on one rockpile, along with my favorite varmint rifle.
Lance(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/chucks.jpg)
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Is it really necessary to show the dead animals Commander McBragg?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Is it really necessary to show the dead animals Commander McBragg?
Don't worry, they are just resting in peace:)
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Originally posted by RifleLance
The ugly old dude in the foreground is me, on one of my killing trips to eastern Oregon. Here is the photo:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/lance.jpg)
Wow!! there is someone in that picture?
I can't see anyone.
Are you wearing camouflage?
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They don't know who shot down Yamamoto.. When he was shot down, there were two Kate's I believe ( I think they were Kate's, don't remember) and a couple of zekes. Both Kate's were shot down, but by two different pilots, and they were sure which one Yamamoto was in, so they gave credit to both of them. :)
But you're right that's pretty messed up. Hope they get it back.
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They're not dead! They're just pining for the fjords!
PK: It was two G4M Betty bombers.
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Interesting thing about the Yamamoto shoot down was that Barber and Lanphier got to the point where a lawsuit came out of the matter.See where steal killing will get you:lol.Two Bettys were shot down.A guy named Holmes got the second Betty.The reason a Navy Cross was awarded,was because it was a Navy mission.Lanphier was a Idaho boy,so we tend to believe his version!
ID
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
They don't know who shot down Yamamoto.. When he was shot down, there were two Kate's I believe ( I think they were Kate's, don't remember) and a couple of zekes. Both Kate's were shot down, but by two different pilots, and they were sure which one Yamamoto was in, so they gave credit to both of them. :)
But you're right that's pretty messed up. Hope they get it back.
Yamamoto was in a Betty, not the Kate.
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"My hobby is shooting and killing things"
:O
Quite a hobby.
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
They don't know who shot down Yamamoto.. When he was shot down, there were two Kate's I believe ( I think they were Kate's, don't remember) and a couple of zekes. Both Kate's were shot down, but by two different pilots, and they were sure which one Yamamoto was in, so they gave credit to both of them. :)
But you're right that's pretty messed up. Hope they get it back.
Actually they are not sure how many Bettys were up, both Lamphier
and Barber claimed a Betty, but as I've said earlier, the one in the jungle
shows damage consistant with Barber's account. That was the one in
which Yamamoto was found.
There weren't any Kates up and the zeros were supposed to be a
ceremonial escort, they were taken completely by surprise by the 38s.
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You gotta love the fact that people are more upset by a couple of dead hamsters, then the vandalism of the memorial. :rofl
WTG Riflelance, update us if they ever catch the guys. :aok
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too bad some bleeding heart liberal will try to help someone like those vandals. They chose to take drugs with the knowledge of what could happen. Too bad we can't float them out to sea and sink the boat.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
No, most people here in Oregon suspect Meth Tweekers. They are a really big problem here, and in some other states too.
Same here. That trash is stealing evreything in sight around here.
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what calibre is the rifle?
not trying to hijack i just like varmint rifles. I have a 22.250 with a 6X18 scope 6 coyotes this yeay off my deck at 300+ yards. Would be easy to take care of thieving meth heads at well over 600yd.:furious
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This is my first post(and probably my last) on this board. Shooting defenseless animals is barbaric (sp). I would love to see the day when animals are armed with equal or greater weapons. What kind of person defines "HOBBY" as killing those that are unable to defend themselves...my definition would be COWARDS!!
dentin
Originally posted by RifleLance
I thought I would post a photo showing the pretty Crooked River Gorge, and the highway 97 bridge named after Barber, which you can see in the background. This new bridge is the closer one, with the old bridge being the one behind it.
The ugly old dude in the foreground is me, on one of my killing trips to eastern Oregon. Here is the photo:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/lance.jpg)
My hobby is shooting and killing things, both for real, and in games. I had fun picking off some marmots that were living in rocks at the top of the gorge, which runs for many miles. I managed to get a couple to slip off rocks when hit, and then plunge way down towards the river.
Here is a photo of a couple of marmots nailed on one rockpile, along with my favorite varmint rifle.
Lance(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/chucks.jpg)
:mad: :mad: :mad:
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lmfao..dentin
prairy dogs kill cows...
Get ur litte limp wristed linguini spinned liberal rainbow scarf back to the ghey parade
What are you doing in a WW2 game?..you know we use guns ?..SCARY!!! BOO
btw..So Are theses thieves going to smelt their own copper??
Seems liek if a recycleing yard see's thsi they would report it?
Maybe its a WW2 fan?..or soem schmuck p-38 virtual pilot?..heheh
where does ack ack live?
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
What are you doing in a WW2 game?..you know we use guns ?..SCARY!!! BOO
We do? and all this time I thought we shot out little pixel dots. Now that I know we use guns in AH, does that mean I need to become a jack booted, goose stepping member of the NRA?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by dentin
This is my first post(and probably my last) on this board. Shooting defenseless animals is barbaric (sp). I would love to see the day when animals are armed with equal or greater weapons. What kind of person defines "HOBBY" as killing those that are unable to defend themselves...my definition would be COWARDS!!
dentin
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Please... You have no idea what your talking about.. Kids bla..
Think this guy is from France our Kali..
Joke in the game and on the bbs..
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Originally posted by dentin
This is my first post(and probably my last) on this board. Shooting defenseless animals is barbaric (sp). I would love to see the day when animals are armed with equal or greater weapons. What kind of person defines "HOBBY" as killing those that are unable to defend themselves...my definition would be COWARDS!!
dentin
:mad: :mad: :mad:
So quit eating... and don't say your a vegetarian as then you'd be eating the poor animal's food and he would suffer by starvation.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
No, most people here in Oregon suspect Meth Tweekers. They are a really big problem here, and in some other states too.
Note to self, cancel vaction to Oregon.
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What kind of person defines "HOBBY" as killing those that are unable to defend themselves...my definition would be COWARDS!!
Wow. Guess I am a coward in your eyes. Along with all the other hunters in the world. That is a lot of cowards. I was kinda thinking the same about you since you can't post your opinion with your "real" forum ID. :cool:
Nice pic RifleLance, but it might be better served in the O'Club since you added guns and sleeping critters. ;)
Shame about the vandalism. That was always an interesting story to me esp since the P-38 is my favorite ride.
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Apparently, its ok to shoot the varmint if you suspected it was reaching for gun. ;)
...Too bad about the memorial, lots of stupid a** people in the world. :(
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I am by no means limp wristed, but killing things for sport just isn't right. Fair enough killing something for Survival or if you're gonna eat it is fine.
Just my personal opinion.
Sorry for hijack.
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I willing to bet that your father didn't like hunting.. Our you didn't spend much time out in the wild as a kid.
1 hog hunt and bbq after the hunt will change your mind.
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Gentlemen:
Tread softly near yon bridge. I smell a troll.....
EDIT -- could it even be from the Ghosts of PETA Troll Victims?
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FX You missed my point clearly. You've just said the BBQ afterwards would change my mind. I said its only a problem if its for sport. I also said if you're actually gonna eat your prey thats fine.
And there is a great lack of hunting in the UK - mainly due to the ban on firearms.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Gentlemen:
Tread softly near yon bridge. I smell a troll.....
EDIT -- could it even be from the Ghosts of PETA Troll Victims?
I'm trying, but it's really hard in my NRA jackboots!;)
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O i understand.. UK is much different life style than Texas..
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Originally posted by Connery
FX You missed my point clearly. You've just said the BBQ afterwards would change my mind. I said its only a problem if its for sport. I also said if you're actually gonna eat your prey thats fine.
And there is a great lack of hunting in the UK - mainly due to the ban on firearms.
Connery:
On the chance that you're serious, consider this.
You have no concept whatsoever of what the US Biosphere is like. There are 193 MILLION SQUARE MILES of wildlands managed by the National Forest Service ALONE In contrast, the entire Island of Britain, encomapssing Britain, Scotland, and Wales only covers 80,000 square miles.
Not chest thumping -- you need to imagine how BIG a wild area we're talking about.
But this is NOT] untouched wildlands. Because people are considered more important than critters, the natural predators that pose risk to humans have been suppressed, or in some cases, eliminated. We do not take kindly to Mountain Lions eating the faces off our joggers...and yes, that happened a few years back in California.
Once you start messing with the food chain, even if you do it for good reasons, you are going to see ecologic imbalances. So, for example, with fewer top predators in Pennsylvania, there is nothing to balance the deer herd out. They can reporduce to the point of species starvation...and it is NECESSARY to allow a hunt to keep the population controlled.
Apply that concept to smaller critters, which dont have enough meat to warrant eating. Look what rabbits did to Australia's ecology...can you honestly say its wrong to cull that population, which has no real predator and which can destroy the environment for natural species?
Or how about other rodents, where their enemies like coyotes aren't allowed to florish due to concerns about livestock safety, or the security of Muffy The Pet Dog That Looks Like A Small Rat?
That's why rodents need artificial controls, including varmint hunting, even without eating the critters. Its a consequence of a human-imapcted ecology, in a country that hasnt been turned into a giant back yard like GB.
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Nothing wrong with hunting or even culling. Killing rodents is fine IMHO too if they are causing damage to that person's property or health.
But to kill animals for a hobby? To drive somewhere out into that great wilderness to find somewhere to kill stuff for fun? IF that is what is going on then I think the person involved is one step away from climbing a bell tower.
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Originally posted by Curval
But to kill animals for a hobby? To drive somewhere out into that great wilderness to find somewhere to kill stuff for fun? IF that is what is going on then I think the person involved is one step away from climbing a bell tower.
I own guns, but do not hunt, it does not suit my particular taste. I like to eat steak, but do not want to be the butcher.....I like animals, but i do not want to be overrun by them. I hate the site of a dead animal that has been hit by a car because they are so overpopulated that they are having to travel further away from native lands to find food. So while i may not be a hunter, nor am i one who wishes to witness what they do(there was no need to put those pictures on this thread)it is very necessary to have people who consider controlling the population of animals a hobby.
Then again i guess we could just sit on our porches with rifles waiting for the animals to come to us?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Is it really necessary to show the dead animals Commander McBragg?
WoW!, is that 2 bulllit holes I see in the big one, guess you didn't get a kill shot on that one. It's all in good fun because they taste real gud. :D
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Originally posted by IronDog
[A guy named Holmes got the second Betty.The reason a Navy Cross was awarded,was because it was a Navy mission.Lanphier was a Idaho boy,so we tend to believe his version!
ID [/B]
I didn't know Johhny Holmes was alive then, but he's dead now.
I believe Lanphier was a congressman's son during the war. We know how that works.
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My hobby is shooting and killing defenseless numbers guys... does that make ME a bad person?
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Simaril, I am well aware of the size of the USA, and last time I checked my eyesight was fine so I dont need the oversized text.
Secondly I am also fairly well educated and I understand the ecological imbalances that occurs when man messes with the food chain. Your mountain lion and deer scenario dejavu perhaps ?
Finally I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours, but it don't mean I have to agree with it.
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I dislike how this has turned from what could have been the best thread about Zombie Yamamoto on the internet to a bitter discussion on the morality of killing rodents.
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LOL HE SHOT DOWN A BOMBER THAT YAMAMOTO WAS IN There were multiple bombers more than 5 and a squad of 38's A SQUAD OF 38'S ENDED UP ONLY SHOOTING DOWN 2 BOMBERS.... AND ONE WAS YAMAMOTO HOW DO THEY KNOW IT WAS HIM??? Wouldn't his body be unrecognizable???? And only 2 bombers out of a whole squad of 38's and only 1 38 was lost. Heard this on the tv short while ago. Maybe stupid kids thought hey I dare u to do that while stoned ahahahahaha But bak on topic disgracing any american hero monument is a shame, disrespect, and dishonorable thing to do. These kids should be shunned and severly punished
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How did they know it was him???? Like ALL japanese rides it was pimped out. Painted green with purple flames, a large chrome exhaust and a personalized plate that said "L337"
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Originally posted by Engine
I dislike how this has turned from what could have been the best thread about Zombie Yamamoto on the internet to a bitter discussion on the morality of killing rodents.
Yep.
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Originally posted by devild0g
LOL HE SHOT DOWN A BOMBER THAT YAMAMOTO WAS IN There were multiple bombers more than 5 and a squad of 38's A SQUAD OF 38'S ENDED UP ONLY SHOOTING DOWN 2 BOMBERS.... AND ONE WAS YAMAMOTO HOW DO THEY KNOW IT WAS HIM??? Wouldn't his body be unrecognizable???? And only 2 bombers out of a whole squad of 38's and only 1 38 was lost. Heard this on the tv short while ago. Maybe stupid kids thought hey I dare u to do that while stoned ahahahahaha But bak on topic disgracing any american hero monument is a shame, disrespect, and dishonorable thing to do. These kids should be shunned and severly punished
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Or yamamato wasn't having a good day n looked out window n flipped em off
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Yamamato's body was not unrecognizable at all. In fact some of the occupants of the Admiral's bomber survived for a short while after the impact. You need to do some checking up before posting, and also don't take what you see in a game or movie as absolute truth. Fatal airplane accidents leave recognizable remains more often than not.
In one case, a Republic P-47 crashed into trees at over three hundred miles an hour and the pilot was undamaged save for his forehead, which had struck the gunsight, killing him. Had he been strapped in for landing, or had the gunsight not been installed, he would have survived.
In the case of the late Jeff Ethell, his Lockheed P-38 struck the ground in a flat spin. He survived the initial impact, but shortly died of his injuries. The F.A.A. reports are legion; a fatal crash doesn't have to be a huge, fiery explosion reducing all on board to hideously unrecognizable corpses.
It is, of course, a shame about the memorial. Oh, and to those brave enough to stick up for defenseless beasts: keep it up, ladies! Soon the world shall be safe for furry animals, totalitarian governments, and violent Muslims.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
In the case of the late Jeff Ethell, his Lockheed P-38 struck the ground in a flat spin. He survived the initial impact, but shortly died of his injuries. The F.A.A. reports are legion; a fatal crash doesn't have to be a huge, fiery explosion reducing all on board to hideously unrecognizable corpses.
Benny, you might want to recant the above statements. After talking to a few people who are or were close to the incident, there's a LOT that isn't in the report.
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Originally posted by devild0g
LOL HE SHOT DOWN A BOMBER THAT YAMAMOTO WAS IN There were multiple bombers more than 5 and a squad of 38's A SQUAD OF 38'S ENDED UP ONLY SHOOTING DOWN 2 BOMBERS.... AND ONE WAS YAMAMOTO HOW DO THEY KNOW IT WAS HIM??? Wouldn't his body be unrecognizable???? And only 2 bombers out of a whole squad of 38's and only 1 38 was lost. Heard this on the tv short while ago. Maybe stupid kids thought hey I dare u to do that while stoned ahahahahaha But bak on topic disgracing any american hero monument is a shame, disrespect, and dishonorable thing to do. These kids should be shunned and severly punished
Because they found his body with his uniform and sword in the bomber
which you can still see in the jungle. It wasn't a whole squad, it was 4
guys in the "Killer" flight with the rest providing cover.
I'm still waiting for you to post anything worth reading, but I'm not
holding my breath. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would quote
"TV" as a primary source about ANYTHING history related.
Oh yeah, they gave the body a state funeral in Japan, maybe someone
might have noticed it wasn't Yamamoto, ya think?
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Originally posted by Rino
Because they found his body with his uniform and sword in the bomber
which you can still see in the jungle. It wasn't a whole squad, it was 4
guys in the "Killer" flight with the rest providing cover.
I'm still waiting for you to post anything worth reading, but I'm not
holding my breath. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would quote
"TV" as a primary source about ANYTHING history related.
Oh yeah, they gave the body a state funeral in Japan, maybe someone
might have noticed it wasn't Yamamoto, ya think?
SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNED!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Is it really necessary to show the dead animals Commander McBragg?
It was actually a warm sunny day that day, and I caught these two while they were napping.
Really, though, there is less blood here in this photo than there is in Aces High. I really hate it when I see blood splattered all over my cockpit. Air Warrior was never that graphic. I've seen sprays of blood literally spew across the glass.
That usually is a rather bad sign, I've discovered. It generally indicates that your health is no longer good. In Air Warrior, you only went down if your plane suffered major damage.
Lance
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Originally posted by Shifty
You gotta love the fact that people are more upset by a couple of dead hamsters, then the vandalism of the memorial. :rofl
WTG Riflelance, update us if they ever catch the guys. :aok
Well, at least I did not post any of the photos of the marmots that produced big blood sprays all over the rocks. Nor the one with the top of his head missing, or the one with little left of his neck. I only post my most politically correct photos, unless it is on die hard hunting forum. It is rather hard to get pleasant looking photos like that one, as these critters have a bad tendency towards exploding when hit.
I sure do hate it when I see blood spray fly across my cockpit in Aces High. I've not been very successful on flights when that has happened.
:cry :cry :cry
The game designers here should got it down good, though, as it is quite realistic. Looks just like what I've seen a few times through my scope sight. :lol
Lance
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Originally posted by jon
what calibre is the rifle?
not trying to hijack i just like varmint rifles. I have a 22.250 with a 6X18 scope 6 coyotes this yeay off my deck at 300+ yards. Would be easy to take care of thieving meth heads at well over 600yd.:furious
My Remington 700 VSSF is in .223 Remington Caliber.
I have a photo of a marmot a friend of mine shot with his Remington in .22-250 at 200 yards with a 40 gr bullet leaving the rifle at over 4,100 fps. However, I cannot post that photo here, as the photo is extremely graphic.
Both calibers are great for small game hunting.
Lance
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Originally posted by dentin
This is my first post(and probably my last) on this board. Shooting defenseless animals is barbaric (sp). I would love to see the day when animals are armed with equal or greater weapons. What kind of person defines "HOBBY" as killing those that are unable to defend themselves...my definition would be COWARDS!!
dentin
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Most of the defenseless animals that I kill I also eat, as they are quite tasty I do a lot of bird hunting with shotguns, and even shoot and eat the Dove: the bird of peace. I like to eat Ducks, Geese, Grouse, and other birds. I shoot some crows too, but I don't eat them.
Deer meat is great, even though they are also innocent and defenseless animals that look so cute.
Varmints like these are about the only things that I do kill, and don't eat. But they are a nuisance for the Alfalfa farmers, as they don't grow their crops for these animals to consume.
Lance
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Originally posted by Connery
FX You missed my point clearly. You've just said the BBQ afterwards would change my mind. I said its only a problem if its for sport. I also said if you're actually gonna eat your prey thats fine.
And there is a great lack of hunting in the UK - mainly due to the ban on firearms.
Many of the alfalfa farmers here in Oregon don't allow hunting, due to safety and liability concerns. Most of this kind of varmint hunting is on these farms, as they offer an ideal food supply that causes them to really thrive in numbers.
Instead, these farmers put out poison to control their numbers, which causes the animals to suffer a very slow and painful death. There is also concern that other good animals can take the bait, and that endangered animals like hawks and eagles could eat the poisoned animals, and thus be poisoned themselves second hand.
I went through one valley a couple of years ago after it had all been poisoned. Not an animal to see anywhere, when previously they had been as thick as fleas. But one could see the bait stations everywhere.
Lance
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Originally posted by clerick
How did they know it was him???? Like ALL japanese rides it was pimped out. Painted green with purple flames, a large chrome exhaust and a personalized plate that said "L337"
Here is a photo taken of Yamamoto after he became a Vampire Zombie:
(http://files.myopera.com/billinbeijing/blog/here_comes_a_vampire_big.jpg)
You see, even their Vampire Zombies are pimped out!
Lance
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The other Betty went down in the ocean,and there were survivors from that plane.The Yamamoto assasination as it could be called,was imho the best mission to be pulled off in WWII,with the limits of technology in that era.The timing was absolutely perfect.I wonder what the nippon crypto boys thought when they found out the admiral was greeted by a bunch of fork tailed devils,that just happened to hanging around when he arrived!
IronDog
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Now that I know we use guns in AH, does that mean I need to become a jack booted, goose stepping member of the NRA?
ack-ack
You really view members of the NRA that way?
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Originally posted by Rino
Because they found his body with his uniform and sword in the bomber
which you can still see in the jungle. It wasn't a whole squad, it was 4
guys in the "Killer" flight with the rest providing cover.
I'm still waiting for you to post anything worth reading, but I'm not
holding my breath. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would quote
"TV" as a primary source about ANYTHING history related.
Oh yeah, they gave the body a state funeral in Japan, maybe someone
might have noticed it wasn't Yamamoto, ya think?
Correct ! Few know that there was also a high P-38 flying recon taking photos at the same time, the 16 guys on the mission didn't even know about the recon P-38. Homer Baker was the pilot of the recon 38. Google search Homer Baker if you don't believe me.
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Originally posted by BigPlay
Correct ! Few know that there was also a high P-38 flying recon taking photos at the same time, the 16 guys on the mission didn't even know about the recon P-38. Homer Baker was the pilot of the recon 38. Google search Homer Baker if you don't believe me.
Wow you're right, heres a link (http://www.faa-ground-school.com/library/yamamoto.htm)
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Originally posted by Curval
"My hobby is shooting and killing things"
:O
Quite a hobby.
Quite, Chip. Or well someone over to rough up your scooter.
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nra is far form jack booted thugs..they are old white men with 5,000$ trap shotguns
I wish they were more like me an dloved all guns..especially those Evil Black Rifles...
as far as the alt monkey p38 pilot goes..hes scared of armed border patrol..and is one of the gusy calling them "racists" for enforcing border law
BAck to the Stolen plaque..How could they sell it for scrap?? unless they melt it themselves?/
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the reason he was giving the navy cross is simple,
when they came up with the plan the navy had no airplanes that could fly the distance,so the used the armys p38 and there pilots.
Sence the the operation was a navy hatched plot you were helping them out hence the navy cross.
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Put scuba gear on the Meth heads and have them swim around with the plaque around their neck. Heck, call em Nutria. There is a warm place in hell for them.
-SR-:noid
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Lance I have no problem with the necessary killing of animals for food or if they are a nuisance. I think what irked me was the way you said it was a hobby to kill things. To kill for the sake of killing is low. Its my opinion. And I dont think pictures of death be it human or animal really need to be on these forums. Again my opinion.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
nra is far form jack booted thugs..they are old white men with 5,000$ trap shotguns
I wish they were more like me an dloved all guns..especially those Evil Black Rifles...
as far as the alt monkey p38 pilot goes..hes scared of armed border patrol..and is one of the gusy calling them "racists" for enforcing border law
BAck to the Stolen plaque..How could they sell it for scrap?? unless they melt it themselves?/
That is a good point about scrap metal. But if they are meth addicts, I doubt that their brain is functioning very well anymore.
We have some great bicycle paths here in town, and the city put in a bunch of expensive lights to keep them lite at night. Well, some hoods vandalized these too, and ripped out all the copper wiring from them. Cost the city a pretty penny to have them all repaired.
Ah, well, some sportsmen are like me, and own both some pretty shotguns, and also some of those evil black rifles too. Like you, I do not discriminate against guns just because of their color. :D
Here are two of my pretty shotguns:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ducks2.jpg)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/alcione1.jpg)
Here is the first evil black gun that I bought, a Colt Model 6724. It is almost as accurate as my Remington 700, and is also great for hunting varmints.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ar-151a.jpg)
And here is my latest naughty gun: a new Special Forces Combat Carbine model chambered in the new heavier 6.8 mm round:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ar2.jpg)
And here is a photo of my son's combo Birthday and Christmas present last year, before I shipped it to him. I did not give him anything for his birthday last year, but then made up for it at Christmas. :)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/rock2.jpg)
And here is a photo of my son and I bird hunting together:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/lance-toddDK2.jpg)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Lance I have no problem with the necessary killing of animals for food or if they are a nuisance. I think what irked me was the way you said it was a hobby to kill things. To kill for the sake of killing is low. Its my opinion. And I dont think pictures of death be it human or animal really need to be on these forums. Again my opinion.
Your logic is so mixed up here. I and everyone else here enjoys killing things! I make some kills ( I admit not that many ) here on Aces High all the time. And I am sure that you do too. That is part of what I mean about my hobby is killing things. I include game playing as part of that.
There is no comparision between killing a rodent, and killing a human being in the real world. They are not, and never will be, a moral equivalent.
I think that a far stronger argument could be made that someone who pretends and fantasizes about killing people in a game has more of a problem than someone who in the real world kills animals for sport.
You know, many of the same types of folks that want to restrict gun ownership and hunting, also want to greatly restrict violent video games. Many are blaming violent video games for the high rates of real crime and violence among young people today. They believe that such games are only training boys to become assasins and murders, and serve no useful purpose.
Let me turn the table around here:
Is there really a truely valid reason for the Aces High game to even exist?? Why should our governments allow this game to be on the Internet?
Aren't there much more productive and useful things that everyone here could be doing instead of pretending to wage war and commit violent and aggressive acts here in a fantasy world??
Lance ( also the Devil's Advocate )
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So we have a photo recon 38 in the area where Yamamoto was killed and the other 38's didn't know it?Something seems way wrong with that.
I agree with Filth,killing,just to be killing is wrong.Shooting a person in a cartoon airplane is a lot different than splattering a marmot just to be doing it.I been around firearms most my life.Marine Corps,Viet era,and as a police firearms instructor,and I have got to the point that I not only dislike guns,I actually deplore them.Gun lovers have a way of portraying guns in such a way,that the anti gun lobby doesn't have to work very hard for fuel to add to their fire.Lance I don't think that everyone likes killing things.The world would be in sorry arsed shape if that was the case.
ID
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Your logic is so mixed up here. I and everyone else here enjoys killing things! I make some kills ( I admit not that many ) here on Aces High all the time. And I am sure that you do too. That is part of what I mean about my hobby is killing things. I include game playing as part of that.
"Game Playing" is a seperate issue..and should NOT be included!
RifleLance ]There is no comparision between killing a rodent, and killing a human being in the real world. They are not, and never will be, a moral equivalent.
"The ""comparision"" is BASIC..human and/or animal are living, breathing creatures, AND have only ONE (1) life..what/who gives you the right to take it (life) away..for "sport"!??
RifleLance ]I think that a far stronger argument could be made that someone who pretends and fantasizes about killing people in a game has more of a problem than someone who in the real world kills animals for sport.
See above.
RifleLance ]You know, many of the same types of folks that want to restrict gun ownership and hunting, also want to greatly restrict violent video games. Many are blaming violent video games for the high rates of real crime and violence among young people today. They believe that such games are only training boys to become assasins and murders, and serve no useful purpose.
Only an idiot would blame "video games" on the increasing violent crime rate!
RifleLance ]Let me turn the table around here:
RifleLance ]Is there really a truely valid reason for the Aces High game to even exist?? Why should our governments allow this game to be on the Internet?
Once again..ITS ONLY A GAME!!
RifleLance ]Aren't there much more productive and useful things that everyone here could be doing instead of pretending to wage war and commit violent and aggressive acts here in a fantasy world??
"Pretending to wage war" is much better than actually waging war ..don't you think?
FYI..I also own Guns, and am a "lifetime NRA Member"
dentin
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Or well someone over to rough up your scooter.
lol
Have another chug there drunky.
Riflelance, do you become erect when you shoot small animals? Sure sounds like it.
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Originally posted by Curval
lol
Have another chug there drunky.
Riflelance, do you become erect when you shoot small animals? Sure sounds like it.
There is no need for you to make senseless personal insults like those.
It adds nothing to the discussion, and only reflects on the kind of immature person that you yourself are.
Lance
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Originally posted by Curval
lol
Have another chug there drunky.
Riflelance, do you become erect when you shoot small animals? Sure sounds like it.
There is no need for you to make senseless personal insults like those.
It adds nothing to the discussion, and only reflects on the kind of immature person that you yourself are.
Lance
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Originally posted by dentin
"Game Playing" is a seperate issue..and should NOT be included!
Says who?? You?? I was explaining that my remark referred to all of my hobbies, including playing this game. It is you who is the one here who is trying to separate my comment, and put a different context on my words.
"The ""comparision"" is BASIC..human and/or animal are living, breathing creatures, AND have only ONE (1) life..what/who gives you the right to take it (life) away..for "sport"!??
So you are in favor or bannding all hunting? Or as I poined out in another post, you would prefer that rodent populations be controlled with poisioning, which introduces toxic chemicals into the environment??
Again, I think one can make a much stronger argument that people who pretend and fantasize about killing fellow humans, have much more of a problem than those who hunt for sport.
Only an idiot would blame "video games" on the increasing violent crime rate!
The same type of comment could be turned around and used against those against hunting.l
"Pretending to wage war" is much better than actually waging war ..don't you think?
So now you are equating hunting animals with killing human beings in war, which as I remarked earlier, is absolutely silly.
FYI..I also own Guns, and am a "lifetime NRA Member"
Then let's see you post some photos of yourself with your guns to prove that. One can say anything one wants to on the Internet. In fact, have a friend take a closeup photo of you holding your NRA card.
I don't belong to the NRA myself, by the way.
Lance
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Originally posted by IronDog
So we have a photo recon 38 in the area where Yamamoto was killed and the other 38's didn't know it?Something seems way wrong with that.
I agree with Filth,killing,just to be killing is wrong.Shooting a person in a cartoon airplane is a lot different than splattering a marmot just to be doing it.I been around firearms most my life.Marine Corps,Viet era,and as a police firearms instructor,and I have got to the point that I not only dislike guns,I actually deplore them.Gun lovers have a way of portraying guns in such a way,that the anti gun lobby doesn't have to work very hard for fuel to add to their fire.Lance I don't think that everyone likes killing things.The world would be in sorry arsed shape if that was the case.
ID
A big part of hunting is being an effective killer. Humans are the only predators that actually care about the animals they kill. I myself always strive to make a very clean and humane kill, that is close to instant, so the animal does not suffer. Other predators, have no such concern, and will even start to eat their prey while they are still alive.
I guess my words did indeed come across badly, due to my poor choice of words. I do get great satisfaction when I make a good shot that results in a clean and instant kill. And that is because I don't believe in making animals suffer. I would never hunt with a bow, for example, as I just don't consider that to a very humane way to hunt: to make an animal slowly bleed to death. I also know my limits hunting with either rifle or shotgun, and limit myself to shots that I'm confident I can make well.
One of my first hunting experiences was duck hunting, and my Dad and Granduncle were on one side of this big pond, and they put me over on the other side of it. They figured that any birds they shot at would flare across the pond to me, giving me another opportunity at them. They had my granduncle's dog with them, though, so I could only retrieve birds as far away as I could wade.
Well, sure enough, several ducks flew into the decoys, and my dad and granduncle opened up on them. And indeed, the survivors then headed right across the pond, straight towards me. I missed one, but connected solidly on the second, and his wings folded and he fell straight down. Usually that would indicate an instant death.
But in this case it unfortunately did not. The duck's body laid motionless floating on the water. But its head keep struggling up above the water, and it would let out a very faint and feeble sound, Then its head would fall back under the water. Only for the cycle to repeat itself over and over again. The bird's neck was so weak that it could not maintain keeping the head above water for more than a couple of seconds at a time.
This really started to bother me, as the animal was clearly suffering. As best as could be determined, a pellet must have severed the spin below the neck. The bird was still fully alive, and trying vainly to stop from drowning. But its body was totally paralyzed.
The bird had landed way too far out for me to reach it in my waders. And it would have taken a very long time for me to go around the pond, get the dog, and come back. So I pondered the situation for a few moments, and then stood up, lined up my sight on the bird, and blasted him. The shot charge totally ruined the bird for eating, as it peppered him with so many pellets. But it instantly put the bird out of its misery. My granduncle was upset and dismayed when he later discovered what I had done. He complained to me that I had totally wasted the bird, so that it was no longer edible.
Anyway, ever since that day as a 15 yr old kid, I vowed to make myself a much better killer, and avoid ever making any game suffer like that again. I've not always succeeded 100% of the time, but over the years I have got to be quite good at avoiding situations like that when I am hunting.
Hopefully sharing this story provides better context for my remark. I enjoy making good clean kills, is what I should have said, in retrospect. For as you point out, putting it more simply as I did, does not look very good. I do enjoy being an effective killer. And that is a part of my hunting ethics.
I do not enjoy wounding animals, and making them suffer. I shot a chukar two and half years ago, that managed to fly away from my hit. We never managed to retrieve it. My son and friend hunting with me could not believe it, as so many feathers exploded off the bird when I hit it. It was like a feather pillow exploding when the shot charge hit it.
But I had hit the bird in the rear part of his body, and not up front in the heart and lung area. So although mortaly wounded, it managed to fly away, and landed in some bushes about 200 yards away. We rushed over there, but the dog could never locate the bird.
Incidents like this are a part of hunting. But I take pride in keeping them very rare and infrequent.
Lance
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I'm just happy you were in full camo for that varmint slaying.. those lil'bastards can be pretty dangerous if they ever actually see you.. I hear they dig man holes and place sharp bones from other 'not so experienced' hunters that ventured into their territory to impale would be sharp-shooters and then slowly feed on them over the next few days.. i thank baby jesus everyday for folks like yourself that save the rest of us from such retched creatures..
sucks bout the memorial 8(
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But man if your gona hunt. Hunt for the big stuff..... when ur killing small little varmint ur just wasting ammo.... when you could be humanely killing a dear and feeding your friends and family and having a party... Lol and cmon man a scope for a rat 0.0 -grabs a shotgun and hands it to lance- that is very instant death for a varmint... its brain will be in a 2 foot area of where the swiss cheese body is
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Well, I just checked my email, and I've somehow been signed up for a bunch of hunting related mail lists that I've never heard of, and am getting all kinds of stupid spam. This is awfully suspicious to me, that this should suddenly happen right now.
Is there a way to see a person's email address here on this website, or in the game? I signed up using my regular email address, but I thought that info was private here. Am I mistaken about that? Is there a way to find the person's email address?
I doubt anyone criticizing me here really is a hunter themself. If you are, then go ahead and post a hunting photo.
I'm beginning to think that this place has a lot of immature people. Especially if this prank is from someone here.
Lance
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Well, I just checked my email, and I've somehow been signed up for a bunch of hunting related mail lists that I've never heard of, and am getting all kinds of stupid spam. This is awfully suspicious to me, that this should suddenly happen right now.
Is there a way to see a person's email address here on this website, or in the game? I signed up using my regular email address, but I thought that info was private here. Am I mistaken about that? Is there a way to find the person's email address?
I doubt anyone criticizing me here really is a hunter themself. If you are, then go ahead and post a hunting photo.
I'm beginning to think that this place has a lot of immature people. Especially if this prank is from someone here.
Lance
rofl
man... that sucks.. you're just here minding your own business and BAM! something crazy happens you never expected and had no idea that it was even possible.. who'd have figured?
Good thing for 2nd chances in the intardnet world, eh?
what kinda emails?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I'm just happy you were in full camo for that varmint slaying.. those lil'bastards can be pretty dangerous if they ever actually see you.. I hear they dig man holes and place sharp bones from other 'not so experienced' hunters that ventured into their territory to impale would be sharp-shooters and then slowly feed on them over the next few days.. i thank baby jesus everyday for folks like yourself that save the rest of us from such retched creatures..
sucks bout the memorial 8(
If you knew anything about this type of hunting, you would know that these animals are most alert where they have been hunted. They usually will head for their holes at the first sight of humans. They have very good eyesight, and usually have some lookouts posted.
I usually try to get low to the ground in a prone position. I even have some camo that I can slip over my rifle to help hide it also.
They are pretty good at spotting a walking human from very long range. They will alert from 300 to 400 yards away, or more. But they doni't recognize someone lying prone on the group hidden in camo as being a threat.
Practicing rifleshooting in the field like this makes a person a much better hunting shot overall. Shooting targets at a rifle range does nothing to improve one's ability to shoot accurately in the field.
Lance
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Lance in your user profile there is an option to allow other users to see your E-mule addy.I disagree with your attitude about killing things,but I defend your right not to be sqrewed with.Unfortunately these forums seem to bring the worst out of some folks.We would all be better off I think if your thread consisted only of the stealing of the plaque,but that never happened.
IronDog
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
rofl
man... that sucks.. you're just here minding your own business and BAM! something crazy happens you never expected and had no idea that it was even possible.. who'd have figured?
Good thing for 2nd chances in the intardnet world, eh?
what kinda emails?
Mainly info about hunting packages for sale, or info from hunting websites.
One is rather fishy, though. I don't think it is real. It is for hunting dwarf goats on a remote Pacific Island. Cost of the hunt is $7,500, plus airfare. For that, they said you get 3 goat tags.
Why would someone want to spend that kind of money to kill a tiny little goat on a remote Pacific Island? Heck, one can book a moose hunt in Canada for less than that, and get a chance to hunt the largest deer in the world.
Apparently the goats are damaging the environment, by eating rare plants. So this would actually be a type of varmint hunting, in that it is to control damage been done by the animals. Really sounds fishy, though.
Lance
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Well Lance...I can ASSURE you that despite how much you think I am childish I would never try and send spam or do anything like you described to bother you. Even if I wanted to (which I don't) I wouldn't have the first clue how to do it anyway.
I'm saddened by the damage to the memorial, which was supposed to be the whole point of this thread.
Too bad it turned into a "look at how good I can kill stuff" thread.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Is there a way to see a person's email address here on this website, or in the game? I signed up using my regular email address, but I thought that info was private here. Am I mistaken about that? Is there a way to find the person's email address?
No, there isn't. You can send e-mail via the profile here, but you don't see the address of the recipient even then.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Says who?? You?? I was explaining that my remark referred to all of my hobbies, including playing this game. It is you who is the one here who is trying to separate my comment, and put a different context on my words.
My original reply to the above still stands
RifleLance: So you are in favor or bannding all hunting? Or as I poined out in another post, you would prefer that rodent populations be controlled with poisioning, which introduces toxic chemicals into the environment??
Never said I prefer poison over any other type of senseless killing, and remember this Bunky: you are the one that indicated that "killing things"was your "hobby"
RifleLance: Again, I think one can make a much stronger argument that people who pretend and fantasize about killing fellow humans, have much more of a problem than those who hunt for sport.
Nope..if your statement had any validity, it would mean that the whole gaming community is mentally imbalanced. I have NO idea how "fantasizing"
about killing fellow humans" even relates in this thread
RifleLance:The same type of comment could be turned around and used against those against hunting.l
Perhaps you should quote that which you're replying to.
RifleLance:So now you are equating hunting animals with killing human beings in war, which as I remarked earlier, is absolutely silly.
I never said any such thing..don't try to put a "spin" on what I've said!
RifleLance:Then let's see you post some photos of yourself with your guns to prove that. One can say anything one wants to on the Internet. In fact, have a friend take a closeup photo of you holding your NRA card.
I don't have to prove anything to you..believe it or don't..I couldn't care less!
RifleLance:I don't belong to the NRA myself, by the way.
Perhaps you should join...or just continue to sit on your "duff" and watch your "2nd amendment" rights get revoked.
END OF THREAD..
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Wow, this thread has been thoroughly jacked!
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ill post some of my hobby pics :lol
a group of birds
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/1.jpg)
limit of ducks
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/2.jpg)
a couple limit of ducks
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/3.jpg)
a few geese
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/4.jpg)
a few more
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/5.jpg)
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more
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/6.jpg)
100+ geese
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/7.jpg)
ducks
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/8.jpg)
a few geese
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/9.jpg)
banded goose in pic
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/10.jpg)
mixed bag
(http://www.uswaterfowler.com/pic/11.jpg)
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Originally posted by Connery
FX You missed my point clearly. You've just said the BBQ afterwards would change my mind. I said its only a problem if its for sport. I also said if you're actually gonna eat your prey thats fine.
And there is a great lack of hunting in the UK - mainly due to the ban on firearms.
And lack of wild life.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I'm trying, but it's really hard in my NRA jackboots!;)
You can borrow a pair of mine.
- oldman
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Wtf is the limit for ducks are whatever where these pictures came from?You get caught with that many in my state,your going to jail.We need to stop this thread are every red necked, gun tottin,SOB is going to be showing off his mastery of killing things.I toned it down a mite,but I was pissed.Enough is enough!
ID
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Originally posted by IronDog
I absolutely hate ignorant,bass fishing,snuff chewing,half witted rednecks.I've often wondered does a hillbilly talk like a negro,or does a negro talk like a hillbilly!
ID
Well if the dead animals didn't close this thread, maybe hate speech will.:lol
This has been one of the most amazing hijacks of a thread I've ever seen. Dead animals, people being refered to as jack booted thugs,
now this! :rofl
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Sorry but I had to do something to close this crap down!!
ID
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non of the birds were over limit they were all taken with in the legal limits.
also all the snow geese you see in the pics were givin to homeless shelters.
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You should up the difficulty level a little bit...
(http://img.verycd.com/posts/0512/post-226283-1134294236.jpg)
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Oh, and to those brave enough to stick up for defenseless beasts: keep it up, ladies! Soon the world shall be safe for furry animals, totalitarian governments, and violent Muslims.
Oh Benny! Please save us from Osama Bin Hamster with your big gun!
LOL! Watching that old codger who probably can't get it up any more, wearing his camo and taking such pride in feeling like a man because he'd shot a couple of hamsters really makes me laugh.
Everyone knows vermin need to be culled, but to take such pride in it that you have to show your 'trophies' on the interweb....that's pretty sad.
It's the difference between doing what's necessary and taking an enjoyment in killing for sake of enhancing your fading manhood.
That old codger should go out to Iraq where the prey fight back and take a bullet for some young man who has much more to offer to world.
Ravs
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I managed to get a couple to slip off rocks when hit, and then plunge way down towards the river.
That is kinda sick.
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City slickers.
You people really ARE divorced from the natural world, aren't ya?
All you Yogies listen up. Those of you who are criticizing other posters for having the brass to kill their own meat, and yet are NOT vegetarians yourselves, are being hypocrites.
Take a good long look at those ducks (mainly mallards) and geese (mainly snows). That is the condition of every animal after it has been slaughered by your surrogate killer (A butcher) and before it has been plucked or skinned, eviscerated, cut up, packaged and placed in a cooler at your the local Piggly Wiggly. How did you THINK it got there?
The animals slaughtered for your culinary delight have NO chance of escape. Animals of the wild are free and alert and in excellent physical condition. Quite often they make you WORK for the kill. The rewards of a successfull hunt are the satisfaction of instinctive, atavistic needs buried in the human psyche. Our ancestors have hunted, and been hunted, for millions of years. Hunting is one of nature's tools for keeping herds balanced and preventing overpopulation.
You people are attempting to graft modern, new-age gaia ethics onto an ancient system that has always used killing as one of its tools. Nature is an AMORAL system, and no amount of human hand-wringing and angst is going to change that. EVERY predator ENJOYS the kill.
Grow a pair, do your own killing.....or become a vegetarian. You can't have it both ways.
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Oh please... does the drop to the river make them more tender?
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Gone away
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Absolutely MT....it also cleans off most of the blood. Less of a mess when you skin it.
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ravells
do you even know what kind of birds those are???
did you even know that they are messing up the tundra????
they are Extreamly Over populated???
did you know that all of the birds in the pic went to feeding homeless people????
what have you done for homeless people????
what have you done for the enviroment??
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I have no objection to you hunting.
It seems to me that you giving the birds to the homeless is just a pathetic excuse for you to go out and kill creatures for fun...because you like shooting. Why else would you take pictures of you so proudly standing next your prey?
Having photographs taken of you with a load of bird carcasses strapped around your neck with your chest puffed out like you're John bloody Wayne is just so sad...it unmans you.
What you do may be justified, but the way you portray it is just plain wrong.
Ravs
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do you even understand the time and hard work that goes in to hunting?
the ammount of physical work that it takes
its not like we just walk out our back door one day and say i think ill kill that bird right there and take a pic..
i spent hours in the field looking for birds "scouting" putting out decoys learning how to call the birds in.
when you work 40 hours a week and buy a house are your happy you got a house that you worked for?????
same for this i put my time in planting, scouting, learning, equipment and hunting time im happy when i get home and have the game i was after
for me to eat or somebody else to eat
i eat all the ducks i shoot
and i eat alot of the geese i shoot
and i give alot of geese away to homeless shelters.
i gave away some 1300 geese this year to homeless shelters
at 5 to 7 lbs per bird
that is 6,500 lbs of food for somebody that had nothing
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First, let me thank you for your graceful reply. From what you've written I can see that you're passionate about what you do and I apologise for the pictures I posted earlier (I'll delete them).
Yes, I have hunted and eaten what I've killed. But not to to the scale of 1300 geese a year. That's a hell of a lot.
To me, it was clear looking at the picture that you had posted that there was a lot of pride that was taken in bagging those geese.
My point still stands: I believe you don't hunt them primarily to feed the homeless. You hunt them because you like hunting for the sake of hunting. The pictures you posted have that written all over them. All I'm asking you to do is to be honest with yourself.
It's not about how many geese you bag, it's your attitude towards the killing which concerns me.
Ravs
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Can always send the hunters to Iraq or Afganistan since they like shooting so much. Must be a few soldiers in Iraq/Afganistan who would gladly change places.
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Milo,
Many of them are already there.
The rural areas of the United States are bastions of hunting, shooting, and the Second Amendment. A much larger proportion of the sons and daughters of those areas volunteer to serve their country in the military than do the urban areas. They grow up shooting and hunting.
There appears to be a direct correlation between one's familiarity with shooting, hunting, outdoor lifestyle, and the willingness to serve in the armed forces.
Regards, Shuckins
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Because they found his body with his uniform and sword in the bomber
which you can still see in the jungle. It wasn't a whole squad, it was 4
guys in the "Killer" flight with the rest providing cover.
I'm still waiting for you to post anything worth reading, but I'm not
holding my breath. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would quote
"TV" as a primary source about ANYTHING history related.
Oh yeah, they gave the body a state funeral in Japan, maybe someone
might have noticed it wasn't Yamamoto, ya think?
Quite correct, Mitchell the leader of the bunch and was flying top cover with the other 38's
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The druggies cut the plaque up into pieces before fencing it. This is a common occurrence all over. My company had $15,000.00 worth of material stolen in one week. This was just 2 weeks ago. You are not allowed to put anything on or inside your fence that might hurt the criminal.. that is against the law. You can put armed employees on duty. One of the offices told me "just don't get all Joe Horn". Joe Horn is an individual who caught 2 illegals burglarizing his neighbors home in Pasadena Texas. He called 911 and got his shotgun and told them he was not going to let them hurt him but he must stop them. You can hear the shots on the 911 tape. He killed them both. Turns out they both had long criminal records. One of the crooks fiance was shown on the news crying and saying what a great guy her fiance was.... lol trash begets trash.
Hope they catch the scum that stole that plaque. It's sad but because there are so many that make excuses for those types.... it probably won't be recovered.
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Too bad about the memorial; that sucks.
By the way, My hobby is raping deer.
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I find It Hilarious that Folks that participate in a simulation of COMBAT < which I may add involves KILLING OTHER HUMANS> have the gall to point out the flaws in someone else because they Hunt in real life. If it so morally outrages someone that killing for food or pest control upsets them, wouldnt it follow logic that that person would not want to be involved in a simulation of killing PEOPLE <Blood included> :confused
I smell a Hillary Clinton foot print near by , then again it may just be my smelly feet :devil
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This thread is so last-year. The funny thing is, that even after all that time, they wanna hijack this thread. Hunting has jack-shit to do with Methies' stealing monuments, either in 2007 or 2008. It's a damn shame, really...The guy died fighting to give them freedom, and this is how they gave back.