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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: KingSix on April 09, 2007, 10:13:20 PM
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way to go people, vote in a bomber that is basically useless. ya it has some good guns, but cant carry a large enough bomb load. we need another good sturdy fighter. but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
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We were thinking it would be better to rise above ourselves, and bring in a bird that a relative of one of our own had quite an experience in.
It's only a little bit we could do, And this story in the bottom link really fires the imagination.
We have little time in which to honor those, whom we only emulate.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202874
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Originally posted by KingSix
.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
<-----Thinking it's a game and not a job.
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We were trying to help the community at large get a clue as to who the men were who flew these things, and in the process maybe educate a few folks, while at the same time honoring the father of a long time player.
How dare we think that way. What a bunch of fools we turned out to be....
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B25 is cool no doubt, but the P39, man that would have been sweet. Maybe HTC will pull a proverbial rabbit out of their collective pie hole and give both planes at the next update.
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Dang, I wish my account was active just so I could have voted for the B25! It's already creating havoc!!! :t
Glove
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As someone very much in favor of the P-39 it took guppy's post to put things in a better more meaningful perspective. While this is simply a game it does in some small way keep a much greater collective memory alive. We owe an impossible debt to our fathers, brothers, fellow countrymen and allies {and yes I'm speaking as an American}...many of whom died in defense of our beliefs and ideals. Reading the story about Toads father brings clarity to the sacrifice required. When John J. Nolan gets a chance to fly "Quitch" again I'm sure he'll have countless others like Lt. Nirdlinger and his crew riding shotgun.
Every plane has its stories and brave men and women gave their lives in defense of their believes on all sides. My comments are not ment to belittle others but to commend one....in the end I think this worked out as it should have. God bless John Nolan and all those who walked, rode or flew in harms way on our behalf.
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Originally posted by KingSix
way to go people, vote in a bomber that is basically useless. ya it has some good guns, but cant carry a large enough bomb load. we need another good sturdy fighter. but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
Yeah with ONLY 30+ fiters to choose from at present no wonder there are no dogfights :huh
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Well would'a loved the 26 or the yak3 or the G55 but they will be along I figure so
B25!
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Hmmm what was I thinking when I voted for the B-25 EVERY time???
I was thinking that it's a really neat plane with tons of history behind it. It served in EVERY theater of the war in large numbers, and the most important reason of all, IT'S NOT ANOUTHER FREAKING UBER PLANE!!!!!! It will take some skill to fly it.
I've been waiting for the B-25 for 2 years now.
Oh and based on the vote, it becomes painfully obvious that not "everyone" flies fighters. There are already enough fighters in the game for you to play with. You don't want to fly the new plane, then don't. No ones going to force you to.
It won by majority vote so deal with it.
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What i dont get is how anyone can complain about getting a new plane.....period. Planes don't get added all that often anymore , i'm happy to see any WWII combatant added.
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would'a loved the 26 or the yak3 or the G55 but they will be along I figure
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Just how many more decades do you think you have to play? Used to be you could count on 6 or more new rides a year from these guys. Look at how excited everyone is getting at the mere thought of having ONE more plane added. This plane set, although excellent and deep, is far from complete.
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Just to allow Toad's dad the chance to sit in Quitch and fly it again, was enough reason for me to have voted for the B-25.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by KingSix
way to go people, vote in a bomber that is basically useless. ya it has some good guns, but cant carry a large enough bomb load. we need another good sturdy fighter. but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
Now you have done it, people around here get all teary eyed over these fake airplanes.. you just made at least 5 people cry.
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:cry
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Originally posted by KingSix
:cry
:lol What are you 12? I hope so for your sake.
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Originally posted by KingSix
way to go people, vote in a bomber that is basically useless. ya it has some good guns, but cant carry a large enough bomb load. we need another good sturdy fighter. but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5Elf/baby2.gif)
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Yeah, what do the people who have been years know...compared to
your weeks of experience :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by KingSix
but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
What you mean WE, Kimmosabe?
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Originally posted by KingSix
we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
I voted for the P-39 too, I did not against Toads father, but because I like the plane. Plus I would have liked it for Eskimo as well, whose father in law flew the P-39.
The way I see it, no matter which aircraft won. It was a good thing for the community and for a couple of well respected guys who have been around this sim and WB's for a long time. Too bad both couldn't win, but this whole election process was a positive. It's time to put the hankys away , and quit crying over what we didn't get and be glad we're getting a new bird in lineup.:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just to allow Toad's dad the chance to sit in Quitch and fly it again, was enough reason for me to have voted for the B-25.
ack-ack
That was what got my vote.
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Just think, now you can land a B-25 on the CV, and recreate the Doolittle raid! :lol
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I voted for the B25 as a good target, and not something ill fly that much :) The P39 would have been a moving target, and those are harder to hit.
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"When John J. Nolan gets a chance to fly "Quitch" again I'm sure he'll have countless others like Lt. Nirdlinger and his crew riding shotgun."
Are any of these men of his crew around? If so, is he (Mr.Nolan) in touch with any of them?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just to allow Toad's dad the chance to sit in Quitch and fly it again, was enough reason for me to have voted for the B-25.
ack-ack
Same here!
:aok
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B-25 is a more logical choice as far as historical impact. I would like to see ALL of the choices eventually come into the game. I wasted 1st round vote on the ME 410 ;)
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Originally posted by RacrX
B-25 is a more logical choice as far as historical impact. I would like to see ALL of the choices eventually come into the game. I wasted 1st round vote on the ME 410 ;)
Don't worry, used 3 rounds on the A26
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<------Voted B-25 Every round.
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<<---------Has never voted for Sanjia
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I have been one of the most vocal and long term supporters of the P-39, it has extra personal value to me since I live with an Aircobra pilot. That being said, I don’t dismiss the B-25 as a worthy plane to model next. It has a heck of a history, variants, rolls, theaters, production numbers, fame, it even looks pretty cool. In the game it will fill a void; the A-20 is just too pathetic and the B-26 is just too fast and survivable. It also may shut up a few who whine about NOE attack bombers and anti shipping bombers; it is appropriate in those roles. The B-25 is a great canvas for skinners. I’m glad that the B-25 won over the A-26; AHII has plenty of uber.
Most importantly, however, the B-25 won the vote. There surely must have been plenty of players who voted for the B-25 and didn’t know much about it. Likewise, I’m sure there surely must have been plenty of players who voted for the P-39 and didn’t know much about it as well. The fact that a bomber won a vote in a sim that is centered around fighter combat says many things; mostly that many players do value and like bombers and want more choices. Even if you don’t fly bombers, you have to admit, they are fun to shoot up.
Keep in mind that 77% of the players did not get their first choice; 9 other planes were supported for a variety of valid reasons.
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Wednesday is the Doolittle raid anniversary! SKOAL!
-Turbo
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I'm sooooo going to be on the day the B25 gets released. I'm polishing up my 20s and 30s just to be ready for them. Will be nice to watch them go down in flames.
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MotorOil1-
You must think we fly with out escorts like in the early part of the war? hahaha
Check your six! There is a JUG with you in their sights!
(http://www.riveting-images.com/John_Shaw_Aviation_Art/John_Shaw__Warrior_and_the_Wol/Shaw_Warrior_and_Wolfpack_600pxl.jpg)
Turbo
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Originally posted by KingSix
way to go people, vote in a bomber that is basically useless. ya it has some good guns, but cant carry a large enough bomb load. we need another good sturdy fighter. but what do we do? vote in another bomber?? we could have used the P-39.... sheesh what were you people thinking?
We all decided we'd get together and vote in the B-25 just to piss you off. You should feel blessed, with all the work that went into getting all those people to vote for that plane just to piss you off.
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The wailing and wringing of hands just won't stop. :rofl
I voted for the P-39, even though my choice didn't win I am still happy for Toad.
HiTech gave us, the community, the opportunity to vote on which plane we wanted next. Maybe we should just be glad he gave us the opportunity to choose the next aircraft to be modeled instead of :cry about which one won?
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In honor of the winner. I propose a toast.
Lift up your glasses, cans or what have you.
Here's to the Mitchell bomber. It was there in the beginning and it saw the last days of a brutal conflict. It was the courageous stead of many a fallen airman. It lives today on the airshow circuit and in some museums for those of you that haven't seen one close up. Spend a minute or two away from the game and put your hands on some history this summer. May its props continue to turn in this arena, whether it be in the sights of its enemy or its bombadier.:o
(http://www.realtime.net/centex/B-25YRsmall.jpg)
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by Turbo76
MotorOil1-
You must think we fly with out escorts like in the early part of the war? hahaha
Check your six! There is a JUG with you in their sights!
Turbo
Thanks Turbo
lol, I'll be gunnin for you Turbo!!!! I won't discriminate between a B25 or a Jug!
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See Rules #4, #5
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See Rules #4, #5
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Keep in mind that 77% of the players did not get their first choice; 9 other planes were supported for a variety of valid reasons.
However keep in mind that the 25 won 4 out of 5 of the votes. That says alot as well.
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Originally posted by Tango
However keep in mind that the 25 won 4 out of 5 of the votes. That says alot as well.
Oh I’m not saying that the B-25 shouldn’t have won, I’m pointing out that the P-39 voters aren’t the only ones who didn’t get their first choice plane. HTC made as many people happy as possible with this election.
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Shhhh...
P-39 will be the "Convention Bird"...
don't tell nobody though.. Its a seeecret! :p
P.S. I like the B-25 'cause Ben Aflak AND Mel Gibson Flew it! :D
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Originally posted by KingSix
rino, kingsix is not my original account, ive been a user off an on since Aces High 2 was just Aces High. so BITE ME!
This is all well and good, kingsix. But, now, you ought to provide some bonafides, such as an ingame ID.
ANY a-hole can say they've been in since AHI, give us your handle, it looks better.
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Wow!
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Ok from this CM's point of view.
I would have like to seen anything other then an American or German aircraft added to the inventory. The MA & the SEA would be more fulfilling place's with a more diverse selection af planes to balance the conditions or events.
MGD
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Originally posted by KingSix
rino, kingsix is not my original account, ive been a user off an on since Aces High 2 was just Aces High. so BITE ME!
My guess is more off than on, and while you were off you didn't read much about what you are talking about..
The p-39 would be a great addition, yes. But you have to understand, we are talking about a plane that only had 30 rounds of a 37mm that was shot out of a gun that was completely horrible. Everyone thinks German 30mm's trajectory is bad?? They couldn't even hold a candle to how bad the P-39s gun was, and the pilots who flew them acknowledge how bad the gun was in multiple books and articles.
That plane would have been flown for the first few days to get the curiousity factor out of the way, then it wouldn't be touched, besides those who get kicks out of flying planes that are hardly flown. All people see is it has a 37mm and they automatically think.. "Wow, here's a big gun to HO with". Half the people that voted for it, I gaurantee don't know much about the plane other than it has a 37mm.
And if KingSix isn't your actually name, then quit hiding in fear of being "flamed" or corrected. You knew this was going to be a bad idea to post about this, that's why the shades name.
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
And if KingSix isn't your actually name, then quit hiding in fear of being "flamed" or corrected. You knew this was going to be a bad idea to post about this, that's why the shades name.
At last sighting after we unanimously kicked King06 out of our squad (horde:D ) that is still his present game handle. Have fun, guys.
<--singing: Beer and Pocorn, oh what fun.
Beer and Popcorn, have another one...
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The plot thickens.
wow.
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I'm glad we got the 25. We have an operational B-25 stationed near here and I see it often. I sure hope they get the sound right. This thing is awesome on a low pass. I can only imagine the stark terror that Japanese coastal crews must of felt as a flight of these rolled in for no good intention to them. I've see this bird, it is most assuredly a sight to behold and I cant wait to fly it.
Sure the numbers guys will talk pro's and cons, I personally do not care. To see this old war horse make a high speed pass makes all numbers fade as your bones resonate from the vibration of shear horsepower.
Please Waffle I'm ready to fly it.
Toads dad. SALUTE . What else can a guy say. Accept maybe " I wish that I could have had the privilege of flying a Mitchell." Of course in peace time.
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Originally posted by KingSix
rino, kingsix is not my original account, ive been a user off an on since Aces High 2 was just Aces High. so BITE ME!
My bad, you're not a clueless noob...just clueless.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
We were thinking it would be better to rise above ourselves, and bring in a bird that a relative of one of our own had quite an experience in.
It's only a little bit we could do, And this story in the bottom link really fires the imagination.
We have little time in which to honor those, whom we only emulate.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202874
One of our own flew the P-39 too...... so that reasoning is off the books.
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Originally posted by halcyon
Just think, now you can land a B-25 on the CV, and recreate the Doolittle raid! :lol
You can land any plane on a CV. You won't be able to takeoff though. Lots of folks don't realize that the "Tokyo Raid" involved stripping everything that wasn't strapped down on those B-25's and they put broomsticks in the gun positions as they had to rip out the guns and they took minimal ord and fuel. It was a Public Relations mission entirely and not a tactical response. I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII that plays this game expects to be able to launch B-25's from a Carrier in anything but a scenerio.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. If it was good enough for Yosarrian to fly it, then it's good enough to be in the game! I call this a genuine "CATCH-22" situation.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Lots of folk don't realize that the "Tokyo Raid" involved stripping everything that wasn't strapped down on those B-25's and they put broomsticks in the gun positions as they had to rip out the guns and they took minimal ord and fuel. It was a Public Relations mission entirely and not a tactical response. I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII that plays this game expects to be able to launch B-25's from a Carrier in anything but a scenerio.
Nuh-uh! If BEN AFFLECK could do it, then so can we!!!
YEah!
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Originally posted by Stang
Nuh-uh! If BEN AFFLECK could do it, then so can we!!!
YEah!
ROFLOL... Yeah HT could make a perk for "Ben Affleck" mode. would bring in a bunch of the newbies.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
You can land any plane on a CV. You won't be able to takeoff though. Lots of folks don't realize that the "Tokyo Raid" involved stripping everything that wasn't strapped down on those B-25's and they put broomsticks in the gun positions as they had to rip out the guns and they took minimal ord and fuel. It was a Public Relations mission entirely and not a tactical response. I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII that plays this game expects to be able to launch B-25's from a Carrier in anything but a scenerio.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. If it was good enough for Yosarrian to fly it, then it's good enough to be in the game! I call this a genuine "CATCH-22" situation.
Um, chances are pretty good that your target won't be hundreds of
miles away from the CV when you launch...so you won't be needing all
that gas.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
You can land any plane on a CV. You won't be able to takeoff though. Lots of folks don't realize that the "Tokyo Raid" involved stripping everything that wasn't strapped down on those B-25's and they put broomsticks in the gun positions as they had to rip out the guns and they took minimal ord and fuel. It was a Public Relations mission entirely and not a tactical response. I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII that plays this game expects to be able to launch B-25's from a Carrier in anything but a scenerio.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. If it was good enough for Yosarrian to fly it, then it's good enough to be in the game! I call this a genuine "CATCH-22" situation.
Doc, please go back and read a bit before you try and tell us about the Doolittle raid.
The B25B had no tail gun position. They put the broomsticks in as a decoy. The belly remote turret came out as it was basically useless as it did on the C and later models.
They carried extra fuel in a bomb bay tank as well as additional cans of fuel that the top turret gunner/engineer had to empty into the bomb bay tank as they flew.
So it was a standard B25B with the usual armament outside of the belly turret and it had more fuel not less then normal.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
So it was a standard B25B with the usual armament outside of the belly turret and it had more fuel not less then normal.
A bit simplified. It wasn't exactly a "standard" B-25 that lifted from those decks.
B-25B's with 4 X 500lbs (which was the ord capacity of a B model.
Yes more gas.
Yes decoy broomsticks added.
Some B-25's had ventral gun, some had tail gun, don't think any ever had both. B's had ventral gun removed for the mission to save weight (and they would be at wave top height most of run).
Norden bombsite was removed for the mission, since it was low level run.
The ARMOR plating was removed for the mission, to save a lot of weight.
No waist gun positions on those B-models, IIRC.
Anything non-essential removed to save weight for the mission.
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Originally posted by KingSix
halcyon are you a moron? the doolittle raid for 1 launched from a carrier, it didnt land on one. for the most part the raid was a disaster, it was forced to launch too soon, most the bombers were destroyed after being either shotdown, or running out of gas and having to ditch. something like one or two made it to extraction in china. and to all you people who think the b25 should have been added for "historical" impact, fine what ever, but the point is, that bomber is slow, doesnt have the bomb capacity to be more than trivial at best.
The raid was not a total disaster, in fact it was a great success.
Tactically, it had little impact as damage was minimul but that was not the point of the raid. The point of the raid was to show the Japanese that we are able to take the war to their homeland and can strike whenever we want, where ever we want. On a strategic standpoint, the Doolittle Raid was a complete success and you'll have a tough time finding any historian that will say otherwise.
ack-ack
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See Rules #4, #5
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See Rules #4, #7, #5
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(grunt...snicker, snicker):rofl :rofl :rofl :D
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Originally posted by KingSix
oh and thunderegg KISS MY WHITE prettythang! id gladly shoot you down if i didnt think it was important to still fly with death49. hell, i gladly shot down hellcatt, wt666, and a few other birds of shame. to which i am immensly proud.
With stats like these, it would be an amazing feat if you could actually shoot something down.
Kills per Death + 1: 0.48 2925
Kills per Sortie: 0.35 2964
Kills per Hour of Flight: 4.10 1866
Kills Hit Percentage: 3.81 2394
Kill Points: 20528.60 754
ack-ack
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Originally posted by thndregg
(grunt...snicker, snicker):rofl :rofl :rofl :D
Okay, now I'll behave myself.;)
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Originally posted by KingSix
frodemk3: with a little brain power you could figure out my ingame id.
pk1mw: i fear no one. i dont fear getting flamed. ask the birds of shame. who cant even honor the requests of their own supposed squad members to come to those who they have problems with and instead go right over them.
Making friends today, are we? :D
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frodemk3: with a little brain power you could figure out my ingame id.
Ok, Now I've gotta E-mail Skuzzy and ask for a list of People that have been Banned from the BBS.
I figure we can do this with a process of elimination.:lol
Or, maybe someone else could help us compile a list, right here on the board???
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
All people see is it has a 37mm and they automatically think.. "Wow, here's a big gun to HO with".
I thought that was our little secrete PK.
:p
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Originally posted by Yeager
B25 is cool no doubt, but the P39, man that would have been sweet. Maybe HTC will pull a proverbial rabbit out of their collective pie hole and give both planes at the next update.
A-men to that brother. Both would be ideal. :)
King-Six - Ack-Ack has it right - don't EVER under estimate the love Americans have for their war veterans. Besides, the fact you're playing a WAR simulator should indicate what kind of person we are... military fans perhaps?
A war veteran(like myself), current military personnel, past military, military in the family blood, we all have our reasons. Asking us to vote for historical aircraft because someones dad flew it, call me stupid, it 'might' influence the vote. :)
I didn't vote for the B-25 at first because I missed Toad's posting about his dad, and I thought that we could of used more Axis aircraft. I should of remembered too because Toad and I flew together for years. But here we are, the B-25 is in, and people are complaining. Hmm...
You could be trying to persuade/bribe Pyro to put both in. :D
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It's only a Game. Animated(Cartoon) Airplanes. It is addicting as well. The B-25 will be fun to fly. So will the other planes that will come and go.
-SR-:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The raid was not a total disaster, in fact it was a great success.
Tactically, it had little impact as damage was minimul but that was not the point of the raid. The point of the raid was to show the Japanese that we are able to take the war to their homeland and can strike whenever we want, where ever we want. On a strategic standpoint, the Doolittle Raid was a complete success and you'll have a tough time finding any historian that will say otherwise.
ack-ack
I've read from multiple sources that the raid became a major motivator for the Midway operation -- to establish a defensive line farther from Japan. Midway, however, didnt turn out the way they planned.
Doolittle was a major uplift for morale, it sent a message to Japan -- and its indirect military effects contributed greatly to shortening the war via Midway. I'd call that a resouding success.
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Originally posted by KingSix
...and to all you people who think the b25 should have been added for "historical" impact, fine what ever, but the point is, that bomber is slow, doesnt have the bomb capacity to be more than trivial at best.
So I don't get it. How is this different for the other planes on the list for voting? None of them match up performance-wise against the top-end aircraft we have in the game now.
By this logic HTC would reduce the planeset down to just the best of the best then. This is obviously not their strategy for Aces High. They must believe that there are other reasons for someone flying a simulated WW2 airplane than it being the fastest, best turning, or carrying the most payload.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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hehe what the stats fail to show is, the majority of my kills are kills of people who rate 600 or higher in general standing.
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Does that mean you get a pay raise and promotion?
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Originally posted by KingSix
hehe what the stats fail to show is, the majority of my kills are kills of people who rate 600 or higher in general standing.
This guy just keeps topping himself :rofl :aok
New patch, hockey playoffs, cold beer, and this riot. Man, what a night :D :aok
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
ROFLOL... Yeah HT could make a perk for "Ben Affleck" mode. would bring in a bunch of the newbies.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Why does everybody keep talking about Ben Aflack? My daughters think that Josh Hartnett is the good looking one, and he also took a B-25 of from a carrier. And after all, he got to nail Kate Beckingsale(sp?), not Ben.
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Originally posted by KingSix
hehe what the stats fail to show is, the majority of my kills are kills of people who rate 600 or higher in general standing.
Dude...your kill average is less then .5, so what's this majority of kills you speak of?
ack-ack
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Look out here comes the WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHmbulance
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Doc, please go back and read a bit before you try and tell us about the Doolittle raid.
The B25B had no tail gun position. They put the broomsticks in as a decoy. The belly remote turret came out as it was basically useless as it did on the C and later models.
They carried extra fuel in a bomb bay tank as well as additional cans of fuel that the top turret gunner/engineer had to empty into the bomb bay tank as they flew.
So it was a standard B25B with the usual armament outside of the belly turret and it had more fuel not less then normal.
Well Excuse meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I'm really sorry for being technically inacurate but the point of my post still stands. I don't believe that we'll see B-25's launching from carriers in the MA. I'm not beat up about loosing the plane of my choice (the Vader), I'm just happy that something new is comming but I don't wanna hear all the whines after folks get it and discover it isn't going to do what they thought it was going to do. If I had my way... we'd all have our favorite planes to choose from but that is not practical from a business point of view and we are darned lucky to have the selection we have already.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. I did not have sex with your wheaties Guppy! just ragging ya
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Why does everybody keep talking about Ben Aflack? My daughters think that Josh Hartnett is the good looking one, and he also took a B-25 of from a carrier. And after all, he got to nail Kate Beckingsale(sp?), not Ben.
Didn't everyone nail her in that movie? :lol