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Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 12, 2007, 11:14:26 AM

Since the new terrain features have been implemented, I and others have had many issues with tanks tipping over or being spawned on to position that cause unrecoverable spin--film of the spin has been sent in.  This has cost me perks, and caused me give up proxie kills.  I refuse to tank anymore until these problems are fixed.  It is no fun spawning into battle only to end up spinning or be driving along and then wham, tip over and giving some knucklehead gets a proxie just for being there.  

The new terrein looks good, but way too few places for GVs to hide now.  The Sherman Firefly is cool, but its missing the flamethrower to be a true Firefly.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 12, 2007, 12:00:49 PM

Flamethrower?

Gonna have to explain that comment.  Don't recall a Firefly having a Flamethrower.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 12, 2007, 12:15:44 PM

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Flamethrower?

Gonna have to explain that comment.  Don't recall a Firefly having a Flamethrower.

Look it up

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Lusche on April 12, 2007, 12:23:06 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Look it up

According to my knowledge, Sherman Firefly had no flamethrower. So would you please state a source to back up your claim?

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Airscrew on April 12, 2007, 12:23:53 PM

FireFly did not have a flamethrower.   Is it possible one was attached in the field, sure.   There were other versions of the Sherman that did have flamethrowers...

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: hubsonfire on April 12, 2007, 12:54:36 PM

I think he's confusing the Sherman VC Firefly with the Sherman CG Weber. The Weber has a flamethrower, and is prone to tipping over in high winds, on rough terrain, or when you're drinking too much to be using it.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 12, 2007, 01:02:49 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Look it up

hehe i think you are the one who needs to look it up ;)

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: frank3 on April 12, 2007, 01:46:24 PM

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think he's confusing the Sherman VC Firefly with the Sherman CG Weber. The Weber has a flamethrower, and is prone to tipping over in high winds, on rough terrain, or when you're drinking too much to be using it.

:D :lol

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 12, 2007, 01:58:10 PM

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Originally posted by Lusche
According to my knowledge, Sherman Firefly had no flamethrower. So would you please state a source to back up your claim?

Combat Footage on the Military Channel about Iwo Jima.  I think it was the show Battlefront.  I could be wrong, as could the rest of ya.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Furball on April 12, 2007, 01:59:45 PM

Yeah, the Brits used the Firefly as a flamethrower tank when they took Iwo Jima.

Apparently the Germans were terrified.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Airscrew on April 12, 2007, 02:02:01 PM

:rofl :rofl    
note to self: do not eat hamburger while reading bbs

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Hornet33 on April 12, 2007, 03:34:25 PM

M4A3R3 was the only version of the Sherman equiped with a flame thrower. It was used in Europe as well as the Pacific but was not produced in large numbers.

The Firefly we have in the game now was given that name by the Brits. It was a standard Sherman tank modified to carry the Brit 17lbr anti tank gun. Not a flame thower.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Airscrew on April 12, 2007, 03:35:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hornet33
The Firefly we have in the game now was given that name by the Brits. It was a standard Sherman tank modified to carry the Brit 17lbr anti tank gun. Not a flame thower.

but...but...it has "Fire" in its name :confused:

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 12, 2007, 03:35:34 PM

Aaolds.. you are wrong.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Rino on April 12, 2007, 04:09:29 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Look it up

     I forecast that comment coming back to haunt you:D

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 12, 2007, 06:40:53 PM

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think he's confusing the Sherman VC Firefly with the Sherman CG Weber. The Weber has a flamethrower, and is prone to tipping over in high winds, on rough terrain, or when you're drinking too much to be using it.

and when it blew up, you had a nice Weber Grill to BBQ on.


ack-ack

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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 12, 2007, 07:46:15 PM

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Originally posted by Furball
Yeah, the Brits used the Firefly as a flamethrower tank when they took Iwo Jima.

Apparently the Germans were terrified.

You do know that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, right?  Saw it in a movie once.


ack-ack

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 12, 2007, 07:49:59 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
I could be wrong, as could the rest of ya.

Well in this case it's only one person in this thread that is incorrect...

Medium Tank M4 (General Sherman)
M4A3R3 - Sherman tank used during Operation Overlord (1944) and in the Battle of Iwo Jima (1945)

M4 Crocodile - four M4 tanks converted by British for US 2nd Armored Division in NW Europe with the same armored fuel trailer as used on Churchill but the fuel line went over the hull.

Sherman Badger - Canada's replacement of its Ram Badger, the Sherman Badger was a turretless M4A2 HVSS Sherman with Wasp IIC flamethrower in place of hull machine gun, developed sometime from 1945 to 1949. The 150 gallons at 250 psi was effective to 125 yards, with elevation of +30 to -10 degrees and traverse of 30 degrees left and 23 degrees right. This inspired the US T68.
 

Tank, Infantry, Mk IV (A22) (Churchill)
Churchill OKE - Churchill II with "Ronson" flamethrower. 3 used at Dieppe in 1942.

Churchill Crocodile - Churchill VII with an armored fuel trailer. The flamethrower replaced the hull machine gun leaving the main armament unaffected. Used after the Normandy landings (1944)

Tank, Infantry, Mk II, Matilda II (A12)
Matilda Frog (25) - 25 Matilda II tanks converted to flame tanks by the Australians in late 1944.

Matilda Murray - Australian improvement over the Frog, produced in 1945.


ack-ack

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Fianna on April 12, 2007, 07:55:20 PM

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Originally posted by Furball
Yeah, the Brits used the Firefly as a flamethrower tank when they took Iwo Jima.

Apparently the Germans were terrified.

:lol

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: OOZ662 on April 12, 2007, 09:00:54 PM

Telling Guppy to "look it up" is like going to a museum and saying that they've got a Fw-190 labeled as a P-47.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Wolfala on April 12, 2007, 09:36:39 PM

Easy boys; its obvious to us that we have a collective knowlege base to put Wikipedia out of business, but he's only got 30 posts.

The young sprout will learn to be humble, or he will drown.

AA, welcome to the big leagues: But since you are here, these are the ground rules to be taken seriously:

1.   You gotta back up your claims with hard, verifiable fact; and the Military Channel isn't known for labeling **** correctly.

The rest of the rules you'll learn as you go.


Wolf

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Post by: Serenity on April 12, 2007, 10:24:39 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfala
the Military Channel isn't known for labeling **** correctly.

The rest of the rules you'll learn as you go.


Wolf

Amen! Ive found myself SCREAMING at the TV more than once on that particular channel...

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 12, 2007, 11:24:36 PM

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Flamethrower?

Gonna have to explain that comment.  Don't recall a Firefly having a Flamethrower.

Maybe he means a blinking butt.

(http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Animals/Insects/Firefly_3.gif)


wrngway

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 13, 2007, 07:02:16 AM

Get back on topic.  Fireflies did have flamethrowers.  This thread is about tipping over.  Argue elsewhere.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 07:14:38 AM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Get back on topic.  Fireflies did have flamethrowers.  This thread is about tipping over.  Argue elsewhere.

ROTFL... give up!.. the firefly never had a flamethrower :lol

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Lusche on April 13, 2007, 07:50:28 AM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Get back on topic.  Fireflies did have flamethrowers.  

They didnt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/uk/data/firefly.htm
http://www.panzerlexikon.de/
http://freespace.virgin.net/shermanic.firefly/home3.htm
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m4sherman.html
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/foreign/m4-medium.asp

Or maybe take a look into this book:

British and American Tanks of World War Two: The Complete Illustrated History of British, American and Commonwealth Tanks, 1939-45 by Peter Chamberlain & Chris Ellis.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Hornet33 on April 13, 2007, 08:42:50 AM

But he saw it on the military channel so it MUST be true. Never mind the fact that they never showed a Firefly with a flame thrower and to the best of my knowledge no firefly's were used in the PTO.

I suppose he thinks ALL Shermans were firefly's.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 09:08:26 AM

Is the military channel by any chanse related to Discovery Channel?

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Lusche on April 13, 2007, 09:15:20 AM

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Is the military channel by any chanse related to Discovery Channel?

Yes. Both are owned by Discovery Communications Inc.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Lye-El on April 13, 2007, 09:50:25 AM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Get back on topic.  Fireflies did have flamethrowers.  

Did Not.....   :furious

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Larry on April 13, 2007, 10:15:23 AM

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Is the military channel by any chanse related to Discovery Channel?

It used to be called Discovery Wings. And AAolds you might wanna give up and hide under a rock for a while because the Sherman Firefly did not have a flamethrower. I have seen almost every program on the military channel and the history channel and have seen the sermans with flamethrowers but they arent the fireflys and they didnt call them that on TV eather. Your just assuming that because the firefly has FIRE is its name that its the verson with the flamethrower on it and your wrong.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 10:18:54 AM

Hehe I asked Aaolds in the MA today if he had seen any fireflys with flamethrowers latley.. he said yes.

It went downhill from there.

Sorry Aaolds. I didnt know you were so young so i apologise.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Larry on April 13, 2007, 10:23:19 AM

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Hehe I asked Aaolds in the MA today if he had seen any fireflys with flamethrowers latley.. he said yes.

It went downhill from there.

Sorry Aaolds. I didnt know you were so young so i apologise.

LoL figures how old nelson 11-12? Is he so young that when he talks in the mic all you hear is SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE K!!!!! because it cant handle the high pitched voice?

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 10:36:45 AM

I dunno if he is as i am on another chesspiece.

Doesnt matter now, just dont threaten folks or go completly overboard because someone sais "lol" or "rofl" Aaolds.... I actually thought you were kidding for awhile there until you and your mate lost it completly.

Puts out hand towards AAolds.

:)

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Whisky58 on April 13, 2007, 11:32:50 AM

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You do know that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, right?  Saw it in a movie once.


That'll be the same movie where the Americans capture the Enigma code.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 13, 2007, 11:48:29 AM

Ive tried to be accomodating, I have not at any point claimed to be completely 100% right on this matter.  I agree that online research does not confirm this.  If I find facts that conclusively answer this matter, Ill post it and eat my crow with it, until then, im done with the matter.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 13, 2007, 11:51:30 AM

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Originally posted by Nilsen
I dunno if he is as i am on another chesspiece.

Doesnt matter now, just dont threaten folks or go completly overboard because someone sais "lol" or "rofl" Aaolds.... I actually thought you were kidding for awhile there until you and your mate lost it completly.

Puts out hand towards AAolds.

:)

I was just answering you and being playful as you were.  No hard feelings on my part.

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Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 11:53:06 AM

I am sure you did mean this tank:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_tank#Medium_Tank_M4_.28General_Sherman.29



Its just that its not the Firefly, but a variant of the M4 Sherman.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Larry on April 13, 2007, 12:29:44 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Ive tried to be accomodating, I have not at any point claimed to be completely 100% right on this matter.  I agree that online research does not confirm this.  If I find facts that conclusively answer this matter, Ill post it and eat my crow with it, until then, im done with the matter.

you are 100% wrong about this. There was a serman with a flame thrower but it wasnt the firefly. You will not find any research that will prove you right. Yet there have been a few people that posted links proving you wrong.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: AAolds on April 13, 2007, 12:48:23 PM

After bugging my Uncle more about the matter (cost me a 6 pack, well worth the cost), he  confirmed that his tank was not a "firefly".   I had heard him wrong, his tank did have a flamethrower as he was on Iwo Jima and he said that it sure did make the fire fly on the Japanese.

I WAS WRONG.  Now go back to having fun or I'll be wrong about something else.

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Post by: Spikes on April 13, 2007, 03:04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Furball


Apparently the Germans were terrified.

Ummm.  Americans didn't fight Germans at Iwo Jima. :rofl

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Nilsen on April 13, 2007, 04:28:21 PM

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Originally posted by spikes
Ummm.  Americans didn't fight Germans at Iwo Jima. :rofl

:rofl  ehh... me thinks he was joking and you just fell into the pit :D

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Rino on April 13, 2007, 04:37:10 PM

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Originally posted by AAolds
Get back on topic.  Fireflies did have flamethrowers.  This thread is about tipping over.  Argue elsewhere.

      You started this thread with the flamethrower thing..admit error or
deal with it :aok

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Lusche on April 13, 2007, 04:46:26 PM

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Originally posted by Rino
You started this thread with the flamethrower thing..admit error or
deal with it :aok

Your're a bit late... he already did and the brawl is long over.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Rino on April 13, 2007, 05:47:42 PM

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Originally posted by Lusche
Your're a bit late... he already did and the brawl is long over.

     Must have missed the post that admitted error..my bad.

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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 13, 2007, 05:48:26 PM

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Originally posted by Whisky58

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You do know that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, right?  Saw it in a movie once.


That'll be the same movie where the Americans capture the Enigma code.

No, it was a movie where a future US senator tried to rally his college mates after being kicked off campus.  Might have been before your time.


ack-ack

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Spikes on April 13, 2007, 11:05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Nilsen
:rofl  ehh... me thinks he was joking and you just fell into the pit :D

Oh darn! Fell for it again. :confused:

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Post by: Airscrew on April 14, 2007, 01:12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it was a movie where a future US senator tried to rally his college mates after being kicked off campus.  Might have been before your time.
ack-ack

Remember Ack, one of the rules of writing is know your audience... probably should keep movie and tv references to nothing older than 1999

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Post by: Furball on April 14, 2007, 04:22:03 AM

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Originally posted by spikes
Ummm.  Americans didn't fight Germans at Iwo Jima. :rofl

I know.

The British did.

In their flamethrower Firefly tanks.

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Rino on April 14, 2007, 09:54:33 AM

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Originally posted by Furball
I know.

The British did.

In their ninja scuba sniper  flamethrower Firefly tanks.

Fixed :D

Title: Tippin over?
Post by: Whisky58 on April 14, 2007, 01:04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it was a movie where a future US senator tried to rally his college mates after being kicked off campus.  Might have been before your time.


Just a gentle dig at Hollywood Ack-ack.  Possibly before my time but since I'm 50 next birthday probably unlikely, altho I confess to not having seen that one.
Regards

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Post by: yanksfan on May 02, 2007, 07:18:04 PM

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Originally posted by Furball
Yeah, the Brits used the Firefly as a flamethrower tank when they took Iwo Jima.

Apparently the Germans were terrified.

 
   Now that is funny!:aok