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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wrag on April 12, 2007, 09:40:34 PM
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Got rid of my headache!!!
I have a CRT monitor. Samsung 997DF 19".
I calibated my monitor, and found it was nearly exactly where it should be.
K was set where it should be. Which I think was 6500K.
Tried AH again.
No help!
I tried rasing GAMMA in AH all the way to 1.8
No help!
Tried adjusting Gamma with my monitor.
No help!
Finally ............
Adjusted K from 6500 all the way up to 8500 on my monitor!
Also adjusted Gamma in AH up to 1.5
WORKED!!!!!
Ground looks MUCH better!
Nice GREEN colors!!!!
No headache!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew for over an hour and NO HEADACHE!
Could see GV's and evil red ikon types quite well!!!
NOTE: Reports SEEM to state that the higher K settings MAY burn out a CRT sooner!!!
You will have to look for your K setting using the monitor menu button!
Should be inside the color pallette selection.
If your monitor doesn't have a K setting then??????
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ahhhh dude, maybe you just need glasses :D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
ahhhh dude, maybe you just need glasses :D
Ahh dude, I have glasses and I have NO problem with any other PC game BUT AHII, and several other people are having similar reactions/problems!
Some have called HTC and others are waiting and hoping for tweaks to be done within the arena that will HELP them!
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sorry I must have really fired off that "sarcastic humor", cause it went clean over your head ! (note LOL! symbol)------->:D
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its dark for me too, and I'm not willing to permanantly damage my monitor just to temporarily play AH.
I understand some have no problems with it, but CLEARLY there are plenty that do have problems as well. Problems ONLY in AH, and only with new patch.
It will be fixxed, I have other games to play while I wait- no need to damage my sony lcd :D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
sorry I must have really fired off that "sarcastic humor", cause it went clean over your head ! (note LOL! symbol)------->:D
No it didn't.........
While you enjoyed yourself, I didn't find YOUR humor funny.
But I must confess I don't care for sarcastic humor very much anyway.
Seems like it's almost always used at someone elses expense.
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Originally posted by Atoon
its dark for me too, and I'm not willing to permanantly damage my monitor just to temporarily play AH.
I understand some have no problems with it, but CLEARLY there are plenty that do have problems as well. Problems ONLY in AH, and only with new patch.
It will be fixxed, I have other games to play while I wait- no need to damage my sony lcd :D
Actually I'm not familiar with LCD monitors. So I'm not sure what I suggested for CRT's would work?
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CRT monitors are not "damaged" by increasing gamma, but increasing light levels will decrease lifetime. However, if AH is too dark you will only be increasing light and wear to the normal level you used to have before the update. LCD monitors are not affected at all.
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I really dont think its a gamma thing. and I dont think any gamma settings will make it better.
Its a shading thing. Too little contrasting shades to make one form distinguishable from another (mountain to vally, hills etc Even with detail settings turned all the way up its still wayyy off.
Looks right and fantastic when your on the ground.
If you havent ridden around in a GV yet. do so and you will see what I mean.
On the ground its beautiful
but somethign gets lost once your airborn in a very major way
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Increasing gamma doesn't fix the problem, but it helps a lot. However we shouldn't have to increase gamma by 40% to make the game playable for aircraft. Despite all the improvements, a clear sunny day in AH is so far from what it should be that I cannot help being annoyed at HTC.
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At high altitudes, it works great because there is much more contrast between the ground/horizon/sky interchange. Much easier to see which way is up at 20K. I know a lot of folks don't fly that high, but if you do, check out the difference in how well it defines terra firma from the air.
My two cents...
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I really dont think its a gamma thing. and I dont think any gamma settings will make it better.
Its a shading thing. Too little contrasting shades to make one form distinguishable from another (mountain to vally, hills etc Even with detail settings turned all the way up its still wayyy off.
Looks right and fantastic when your on the ground.
If you havent ridden around in a GV yet. do so and you will see what I mean.
On the ground its beautiful
but somethign gets lost once your airborn in a very major way
Yep, I can't tell where the ground is when I'm low. Been having to fight at mid to higher alts the last two nights. Lack of contrast low gives you no orientation as to where the ground is. Was in mid-mesa for a while tonight and the rock-faces on the tops of the hills help a little but once your on the green carpet it's anybodys guess.
BTW, did we lose plane shadows? I looked occasionally tonight hoping that would help and never saw one.
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If one has to adjust the monoitor to play AH2 and then adjust it back to play other games then something is wrong with AH2 not the monitor...
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Trust me, it's not the monitor. There is just not enough contrast between dark & light.
Gives me and most that I've talked to a headache. Game needs to be "brightened up" a bit IMO
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Originally posted by Stoney74
At high altitudes, it works great because there is much more contrast between the ground/horizon/sky interchange.
My two cents...
I noticed that too...maybe designed for Combat Tour?
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I'm not sure if I'm right, but you guys may be talking about what I'm referring to as the constant "haze" in the new terrain. I was told by one pilot that this is modifiable in the offline mode and that tinkering with it cleared things up fine. So, it may be that the only "workaround" for you is for HTC to modify the appropriate setting(s) on the game server.
Regards, Odd
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I noticed that the sun effects seem much diminished since the update.
Perhaps too much? Perhaps a direct tie to reduced lighting and a dark green thats a bit too dark leaving things looking & feeling "dim".
Also the ground green is a bit too close to the scattered tree green. Giving you little if any contrast until your right on top of them.
All that dark green terrain just seems to suck the light out of the sky IMO.
BTW LOVE the ocean color now.
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I love the fact that the horizon doesnt look like Death Valley at 4pm (the @#$$$ sun blotting out all, including instruments)---but EVERYthing is darker as well--I bumped gamma up from mid-range to about 3/4 of max--my other issue may be a driver thing brought about by new terrain, but if I alt-tab out of the game, when I return, it's dark again, though the gamma slider remains in place--move it a teeny bit, and it remembers the correct level
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I wadded up a 262, on final approach, depth preception was waay off, I watched tv the rest of the night.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by OddCAF
I'm not sure if I'm right, but you guys may be talking about what I'm referring to as the constant "haze" in the new terrain. I was told by one pilot that this is modifiable in the offline mode and that tinkering with it cleared things up fine. So, it may be that the only "workaround" for you is for HTC to modify the appropriate setting(s) on the game server.
Regards, Odd
Other possibility is ur an old geezer who can't see stuff:D
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you can adjust the visibility offline and it has some interesting effects, however, with the current terrain anything even approaching clear visability makes the world appear as though you are flying over a large swath of lime green carpet.
as it is, the sky is its just not realistic at all. i feel like i am flying in tomcats.
makes me woozy.
that said, the new bases look AWESOME.
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Originally posted by wrag
No headache!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great news, Wrag.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I noticed that the sun effects seem much diminished since the update.
Perhaps too much? Perhaps a direct tie to reduced lighting and a dark green thats a bit too dark leaving things looking & feeling "dim".
Also the ground green is a bit too close to the scattered tree green. Giving you little if any contrast until your right on top of them.
All that dark green terrain just seems to suck the light out of the sky IMO.
BTW LOVE the ocean color now.
Maybe HTC is finally testing virtual Raybans. :D
But seriously, anybody else notice that in the film viewer all the colors are correct and it looks spectacular?
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Originally posted by Tabasco
Maybe HTC is finally testing virtual Raybans. :D
But seriously, anybody else notice that in the film viewer all the colors are correct and it looks spectacular?
Film Viewer?
It's as dark as sitting in a cave during a solar eclipse with eyes shut.... well almost.
(Game gamma settings seem to have no influence on film viewer)
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If you are able, turn up your K!!!
You should be able to find it in the monitor menu under pallette? It MUST be turned up using your monitor!
It is the ONLY thing that helped me!!!!!!!!!
Well even with turning up the K from 6500 to 8500 I had to increase GAMMA to 1.5.
Thing is it now looks more like the old AHII.
I can see mounds and small hills where before it all looked smooth!
Makes a BIG difference!!!!!!!!
Wondering if when the arena is getting tuned for visual the person tuning it might have their K set really high??????????????????????????
Would POSSIBLY explain why everything is so FRAKKIN dark!
If that is the case then that person may want to set their K to 6500 for arena color/shade tuning! Then set it back high? Especially for those that CAN'T adjust their K.
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Originally posted by ColKLink
I wadded up a 262, on final approach, depth preception was waay off, I watched tv the rest of the night.:rolleyes:
Exactly, you can't see depth anymore in game. I adjust everything and
#1 it just makes the other portions of the game annoying.
#2 it just makes EVERYTHING else I do on my computer annoying.
I've NEVER had this problem with any other game.
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Originally posted by JB88
you can adjust the visibility offline and it has some interesting effects, however, with the current terrain anything even approaching clear visability makes the world appear as though you are flying over a large swath of lime green carpet.
as it is, the sky is its just not realistic at all. i feel like i am flying in tomcats.
makes me woozy.
that said, the new bases look AWESOME.
Yea I agree with you there the new bases look great. Only bad thing about them is when I turn my gamma up, the hanger pad textures start flaking out when I fly over them.
As a side note I had a heck of a time finding the map room the first time I ran to a V base with the new textures..lol I drove to where I knew it was and almost couldn't see the little bunker at about 500ft away because everything blending in so much.
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You guys whining about the brightness need to get some skills and utilise the options on your puter to tailor things to your liking.
I never actually changed any settings on my pc and it looks just fine. Have a fiddle with monitor settings, but more importantly I would change your graphics cards settings, Colour brightness and gamma, although you shouldnt really need much of the latter two!
2 much gamma = headaches
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Originally posted by Connery
You guys whining about the brightness need to get some skills and utilise the options on your puter to tailor things to your liking.
I never actually changed any settings on my pc and it looks just fine. Have a fiddle with monitor settings, but more importantly I would change your graphics cards settings, Colour brightness and gamma, although you shouldnt really need much of the latter two!
2 much gamma = headaches
I play a lot of different games, all without problems. I do a lot of graphic works, never have color or brightness problems. AH was running fine before this patch.
I tried old & new drivers. I tweaked gamma, vibrance, contrast, saturation, colour temperature, both with the driver software and in my screen's menu itself. (BTW, fiddling with such things since 1978, so while far from being 1337, I certainly do have some "skills"...)
Please note that I and most others don't whine that we don't like this or that... we are pointing out a potential real bug which is drastically hampering play for some of us. I do like most of the new features, I dislike a few, but not beeing able to see things is not a matter of taste.
Accusing people having technical trouble with the new patch of whining is just a sign of ignorance.
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Have the latest patch installed & just upped a sortie to check all this out on my box. I did not change anything settings-wise on my box.
I didn't see any issues w/ the contrast or gamma of the terrain at all. I could easily acquire depth perception off terrain w/o looking at altimeter.
IMHO, I think that HTC did a good job of taking their 2-D rendered terrain & transferring it into a true 3-D rendered terrain on the 1st run. This is what I believe that most of these issues are deriving from, which will call for some readjustments to the vid card settings or monitor realignment on our end to compensate. It will also call for some 3-D terrain objects realignment from HTC as they go thru their paces w/ this in operation on the servers & find where the settings can/should be changed-& this will take some time. This is nothing new-others have been there, done that & bought the tee-shirt.
Patience is the order of the day here. Be alright.
If anyone does have a display optimization routine for their monitor(Nvidia has one in their VC drivers-remember Coloriffic anyone?, don't know for sure 'bout ATI)this would be a good time to retune your monitor. This will tune your monitor to look according to YOUR viewing perception(s) & all aspects of your display-brightness, color contrast & alignment, hue-can be adjusted to suit your viewing desires. Since you're using the monitor's controls to set all this, the beauty of it all is that the monitor will look the same to you regardless of the application.
I would start there 1st, then look at your vid cards settings 2nd then look at your in-game settings last.
Just a suggestion & hope this helps.
:)
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DUNNO if this'll help anyone but me, but i discovered i had my "mode" selector on my monitor, on "text", i flipped it to video games",...and by golley she's alot brighter now. Might just be my dumb prettythang, but maybe it'll help 1 or 2 other dumbprettythang'$ as myself,
as you were.
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Ok, go to homepage read the update closely... PATCH 1!!! NOT 0!!!! I hope you didnt waste money. :(
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My ATI cards control panel has a Color tab. Went in and under color for 3D games upped the gamma and brightness a smidgin. Now have the same or better color object contrast and resolution than befor this version 10.
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Many of the problems described here on the boards could be ascribed to motion sickness. You know, the more realistic terrain causing heavy movement signals from the eyes being transmitted to the brain, while the inner ear insists that you're stationary.
Try some dramamine and give it a few days to see if you're still having them.
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I don't like the new visual settings myself, but have decided that I can
not blame HTC for it. I've recently had my retinas lasered and it seems to
have screwed with my new glasses...so I think it's my blurry vision to
blame ;)
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That would not likely be the case even if the new terrain were more realistic than the old one, which itself is not true. The new terrain is much less realistic than the old when, barring a few unimportant details. I'm very familiar with what a real landscape looks like from five thousand feet.
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I think there are two separate things that are sources of complaints with the terrain, which are independent things.
First, there is featurelessness of the terrain. This is an aspect of individual terrains and not any failure of the new terrain system. I looked at some of the island terrains offline when the patch first came out, and they were very sparse and of a uniform green -- not very interesting. But then I played on a terrain that was more filled out with different terrain features. It was gorgeous, such as the following pic. So, I'm not worried about this aspect.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/005_terr.jpg)
Second, there are aspects of the brightness or contrast of the terrain. I think the terrain is simply not illuminated nearly enough. The sky is bright enough, but the terrain is too dark. This, I think, could cause some people to get headaches trying to pick out details among that dim background. Others can overcome it by turing up their gamma adjustments -- but that's not the best solution as things should be built to work with gamma adjustment of 1.0. If you then turn up gamma, some aspects can look washed out, and that also can cause some discomfort. Here is a screen shot from an earlier version of AH to compare brightness with the pic above:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2004/pics/bob_f3_5_fightintrees.jpg)