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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on April 13, 2007, 12:23:52 PM
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I'm not trying to tweak your nose or anything but the message you left in the thread was pretty intense. I was just wondering if you might expound on the topic you don't want to see again that you referred to in the following thread? http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203231
I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't want to end up being the poster banned for picking up a bad topic. I don't wantr to post it by accident. Please tell me what to avoid. :(
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I had the same thought. I just didn't have time to leave a message earlier.
Whazzup?
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I had the same thought and started a thread too. It would be helpful in the future Skuzzy in any similar situation if you stated which topic was getting hit with the ban stick. :D
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Hmm, I'm of the mind that if you have a topic in front of you and your just dying to hit that enter button but a small bird says..I wonder if Skuzzy will ban this, don't bother :)
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the easy answer is not to start any new threads.
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There are many topics which can be be discussed on this board without much rancor.
Racial topics are not one of them. Country bashing topics are another. There are simply too many people who do not know how to handle themselves in a public forum on this board as it pertains to certain controversial topics.
And some of the way these topics are presented are to encourage negative responses. Shock posts, as I like to call them. Worthless topics as they are not presented to be discussed, but to incite and enrage.
And they seem to always happen when we are closed. Funny that.
Originally posted by john9001
the easy answer is not to start any new threads.
Gee, you would be surprised how accurate that is for some people.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
There are many topics which can be be discussed on this board without much rancor.
Racial topics are not one of them. Country bashing topics are another. There are simply too many people who do not know how to handle themselves in a public forum on this board as it pertains to certain controversial topics.
And some of the way these topics are presented are to encourage negative responses. Shock posts, as I like to call them. Worthless topics as they are not presented to be discussed, but to incite and enrage.
And they seem to always happen when we are closed. Funny that.
Gee, you would be surprised how accurate that is for some people.
But Garden tools sold on ebay cannot be discussed? :huh (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/aim-angel.gif)
Just kidding Skuz. :)
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anybody besides me want to chip in on some adult beverage for Skuzz?
The Xanax I'll front :)
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Must be the DJ thing.
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Originally posted by Elfie
I had the same thought and started a thread too. It would be helpful in the future Skuzzy in any similar situation if you stated which topic was getting hit with the ban stick. :D
exactly. As these topics are brought up we could add them in the rules section, specific topics of that which we are not to speak. i.e. how to make drugs from battery acid and drain cleaner, how to hack ahII source code, etc.
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There are no amount of rules in the world which will prevent someone with no common sense from doing something stupid.
If we actually need rules to cover the topics which are allowed or are not allowed to be discussed, we may as well shut down the board. You cannot moderate peoples behavior.
I think it is sad there are topics which cannot be discussed on this board. But, the number of people we would have to boot from this board who cannot control themselves is staggering. So, let's limit the topics instead.
Too many people have gotten so use to how abused this board is, they take it with a grain of salt. Look through the topics and see how many posts are in the threads which have no bearing on the topic, but are directed at someone posting in the thread. Or how many one line zingers there are, which just amplify negative emotions. Then look at the follow on posts and so on. It is easy to fall into that trap and it is poison to a healthy bulletin board.
Even I have picked up some very bad habits and did not learn about them until I started visiting a very healthy board which has over 1,000 people on it at any given time.
Of course, they do not allow any political or religious discussions of any kind on their board. I cannot say that is the root of the problems here, but those topics definately do not help.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
they do not allow any political or religious discussions of any kind on their board. I cannot say that is the root of the problems here, but those topics definately do not help.
IF this was my board i would insta-lock those topics unless i had alot of time to spend moderating them. The problem as i see it would be in lets say (for the sake of popularity in the oclub) gun topics. The lines between what would be political and not would be very blurry indeed.
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there is a reason why white folks have an adage that politics and religion are not discussed in polite company, especially when alcohol is served. :D around here there is a cafécito stand on every corner. you can go and have a nice demitasse of cuban coffee and watch true masters discuss politics, deliver one line zingers, get down right offensive with tact and great finess and yet no one's blood pressure gets elevated. it seems to me white folks get bothered by what others say or type far too easily. I'm not trying to be offensive here merely offering an observation and musing that perhaps it's a cultural thing. maybe it's the anonimity that the intardnet offers and some folks type things they would not normally say to someone's face. there are some folks who are members of this board which I'm sure would be just as they are on here face to face, some of them stike me as offensive people, those are the ones I like.
I'm just glad I don't have skuzzy's job.
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"white folks "?
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Yep...you heard the man...."white folks."
Storch is dead on correct with that assessment. White folks seem to be less willing to cede a point or yield ground in an argument about ANYTHING.
It is, indeed, a cultural thing. One of the causes is our upbringing ....the way we are raised, and our personal view of our world and the people around us. Despite the protestations of some who see themselves as fair, sensitive and "enlightened" (both conservative and liberal ) we simply cannot bring ourselves to accept the thought that "I might be WRONG."
Because of our history of success we tend to be an arrogant race....and raise our children to be that way. That's why so many tend to see certain topics as having no "middle ground." Gun control, religion, race, sexual and behavioral mores are, as a result, extremely volatile issues.
And...so...our egos and arrogance come into play. One can see evidence of it on almost every topic in which religion, culture, and politics are discussed.
I admit it....I'm guilty of it. It's hard not to be guilty of it when one's culture and beliefs that you grew up with are being derided and belittled by some faceless denizen of the internet.
As a result....the restaints of civility come OFF.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Yep...you heard the man...."white folks."
Storch is dead on correct with that assessment. White folks seem to be less willing to cede a point or yield ground in an argument about ANYTHING.
It is, indeed, a cultural thing. One of the causes is our culture....the way we are raised, and our personal view of our world and the people around us. Despite the protestations of some who see themselves as fair, sensitive and "enlightened" we simply cannot bring ourselves to accept the thought that "I might be WRONG."
And...so...our egos and arrogance come into play. One can see evidence of it on almost every topic in which religion, culture, and politics are discussed.
I admit it....I'm guilty of it. It's hard not to be guilty of it when one's culture and beliefs that you grew up with are being derided and belittled by some faceless denizen of the internet.
As a result....the restaints of civility come OFF.
Regards, Shuckins
i dont get it.
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So i am itching to post a bash of the presidents new surge plan as it seems, as predicted, its just more troops and more money for more of the same, but This would fall into a country bashing category? Or is this something that is deemed healthy critical debate?
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White Hawk,
I realized that my original post was unclear....so I edited it.
Try it now.
Regards, Shuckins
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I don't think Storch was absolutely serious.
I don't think the white folk thing is much more than a pigeonhole simplification.. I don't think it's accurate enough even as such.
Whitehawk, why would you repeat a previous discussion gone bad's exact buildup to it going bad?
You need to make something that will spark a real conversation, not the exact same knee jerks as the previous time; repeating history, etc.
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Moot, I think Storch was making a valid comparison between Cuban-Americans and White-Americans. I saw nothing in his post that indicates that he wasn't serious about that.
White people, at least those of recent decades, tend to spend a lot of time shouting at each other. They hold opposing viewpoints in contempt and intolerance of other's views and beliefs is the result. (The coffee's finally kicking in.)
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
So i am itching to post a bash of the presidents new surge plan as it seems, as predicted, its just more troops and more money for more of the same, but This would fall into a country bashing category? Or is this something that is deemed healthy critical debate?
Yeah, that's not inciteful is it?
Allow me to rephrase what you want to do. "Hey, I want to just bash the president, so you other guys can take a flying leap! Discussion? what's the point of that? If it dunt psiss ya off then why bother"?
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Shuckins, "absolutely" was what I meant to emphasize.
As it was said in his and your post, "white folks" was the only context I saw. Cubans might've been implied by the cafecito thing, but I don't see that white folks couldn't take Cuban's or anyone else's place there, nor that it has to be Cuban Americans...
I agree that it's a cultural tendency, but not that it is so prevalent that you can piegonhole every "white folk" into it.. And I'm not thinking of this in a racial sensibilities perspective, I just think it's inaccurate.
Too many of the more calm and sure footed people I've known were "white", and more interested in discussing (informally and not) sex, religion, and politics, than not.. too many for that recent trend to be truly characteristic.
I think the recent trend is because of exceptional circumstances.
edit- Actually, I see what you mean. I wouldn't say it like that, but I agree.
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It is unfortunate that we can't discuss that certain topic, because it could bring on some interesting debates over freedom of speech, and the pros and cons of having thick skin.
I'm particularly interested in this topic, as I can very much relate to the individual who was fired. I've very much been in his shoes.
What if we just kept race out of it? Does it even really have much to do with race, anyway? I see this more as an issue of thick skinned people vs. thin skinned people, regardless of what color their skins happen to be.
Would that topic fly? I mean, at least until someone ignored the ground rules (ie, no race)?
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It only has to do with race because of people who can't tell the difference between race and personality.
Those people haven't grown out of the poor excuse for a shorthand idea that is "race".
Race being such a great excuse for victimized behavior doesn't help either.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yeah, that's not inciteful is it?
Allow me to rephrase what you want to do. "Hey, I want to just bash the president, so you other guys can take a flying leap! Discussion? what's the point of that? If it dunt psiss ya off then why bother"?
So part of the problem is that you are the interpreter and can pretty much make any post into a flame or troll, and allow any to exist, so long as, let me guess, it supports your opinion? COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?
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A long time ago, before Al Gore invented the internet, it was simply text based. Then some genius invented hypertext. The reason for hypertext was to quickly link to even more information. Now that Al Gore invented the internet it seems its all about shutting people up, not getting more information. There are a thousand ways to rationalize shutting someone up, all equally dishonest.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
So part of the problem is that you are the interpreter and can pretty much make any post into a flame or troll, and allow any to exist, so long as, let me guess, it supports your opinion? COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?
:lol Pretty ironic you'd say that from a total misread of what Skuzzy meant.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?
Sure, no problem.
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It's the individual that decides wether to argue or concede a point.
It has absolutely Jack **** to do with race.
I've seen some very good debates fielded by people of all colors.
I've also seen all people defend the most pointless, hopeless cause, to the point of simply turning around, walking away, and shaking their head, convinced they are right, when it's obvious to everyone that they are wrong.
It is not simply a trait of the 'white' race.
And as for what topics to post...Even on an open board, their has to be some measure of propriety. You cannot simply put up any inflammatory crap, simply for the sake of wanting a slam fest, instead of a genuine discussion.
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LOL! :rofl
I guess he was asking for it without leaving too much room..
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Sort of like walking up to someone and asking them to take the baseball bat from their hands before they beat you to death with it. Go figure.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
So part of the problem is that you are the interpreter and can pretty much make any post into a flame or troll, and allow any to exist, so long as, let me guess, it supports your opinion? COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?
But for the Grace of God go I.
I guess Skuzzy should do him the favor and ban him, since that is his request.
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Originally posted by Dago
But for the Grace of God go I.
I guess Skuzzy should do him the favor and ban him, since that is his request.
WhiteHawk
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fini.
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Okay....I concede the point...it's not really about race. My thinking was kind of muddled when I posted this morning anyways. Been suffering from insomnia this week and I'm still not over it.
Yet, there's part of that argument that I can't but believe has some relevance. If success can breed arrogance in an individual....then why NOT in a class or race? That was certainly the case in Southern white slave owners prior to the Civil War.
In modern times, our differences, whether urban versus rural or conservative versus liberal or white versus black, are clung to so blindly by many that they no longer even make the attempt at being fair or objective.
Case in point: The antipathy between liberal and conservative has become so vitriolic within the last ten years that it is rendering constructive political discourse almost impossible. The demonization of opposing opinions is painfully evident on these boards and in the media and on college campuses and in churches and political action forums and you name it.
Perhaps we need to coin a new term to describe it; I certainly can't come up with anything adequate.
Regards, Shuckins
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I propose we have a new name for the internet equivalent to the Darwin award. I propose we call it the Whitehawk award. He pretty much set the bar for a darwin award 'net style. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sure, no problem.
Remind me to never ask you to ban me, even in jest. :rofl
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Case in point: The antipathy between liberal and conservative has become so vitriolic within the last ten years that it is rendering constructive political discourse almost impossible. The demonization of opposing opinions is painfully evident on these boards and in the media and on college campuses and in churches and political action forums and you name it. [/B]
it does seem to me that amongst a good portion of our population the opposing view must be invalidated at all costs, that a person's differing opinion must be received as a personal affront. I enjoy getting folks worked up for sport and I find white folks to be the easiest to tweak. most other folks simply don't take the bait. around here (generally speaking) we work around or with the jabs, attempting to rebutt with brilliance and humor. you garnish extra points by clever usage use of the double entendre when possible. speaking in generalities the hispanics are especially good at this. we spend a lifetime perfecting the skill. sadly it's lost in the written word, working much better where there is an oral tradition.
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I see what you're getting at, Storch. But, I would digress that there is a huge difference in a real-time, face to face conversation in a streetfront cafe, and carrying on a conversation on the BBS.
In RL, you have but seconds to respond to a argument, to react in the way you wish the argument to go. If your temper's flaring, and you can't get it under control, shows a sign that you are losing said argument.
However, here, we can read posts' at leisure, drink a cup of coffee, Put away 2-3 beers, whatever, while we sit and think of our most clever response. We have time to get our emotions under control, and devote our energies to which strategy we wish to follow in our argument, or what tone we wish to set.
IMHO, I can't understand why posters come on the boards and just spill out the first thing that comes to mind...When you have time on your side, use it.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I see what you're getting at, Storch. But, I would digress that there is a huge difference in a real-time, face to face conversation in a streetfront cafe, and carrying on a conversation on the BBS.
In RL, you have but seconds to respond to a argument, to react in the way you wish the argument to go. If your temper's flaring, and you can't get it under control, shows a sign that you are losing said argument.
However, here, we can read posts' at leisure, drink a cup of coffee, Put away 2-3 beers, whatever, while we sit and think of our most clever response. We have time to get our emotions under control, and devote our energies to which strategy we wish to follow in our argument, or what tone we wish to set.
IMHO, I can't understand why posters come on the boards and just spill out the first thing that comes to mind...When you have time on your side, use it.
firstly let's call it a discussion or a debate not an argument. by choosing the word argument you are making my point. as for your suggestion, that would be the intelligent way, to pause. the beauty of the multifaceted debate is that you are dealing with a few topics at once and you bounce from topic to topic. with regard to needing a pause, you have that in a café discussion as there are usually three or four participants plus the guy that walks up says his piece orders his coffee drinks it and scoots. it's no fun 1 v 1.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sort of like walking up to someone and asking them to take the baseball bat from their hands before they beat you to death with it. Go figure.
I think there's a problem with taking a baseball bat to a debate. Its no longer a debate. Its something wierd. But please don't ban me.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sure, no problem.
:rofl :aok :rofl
Thanks Skuzzy, that just made my entire night!
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Skuzzy if the words "ban" and "me" come in that sequencial order from my keyboard without the word "don't" in front of it please give me 24 hours to post in the same thread that It was probably a drunk post.
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If we're talking about incitement, I would quite like a stop put to things like this which appear every time that individual makes a post. this is an example but there are plenty like it in these BBS
"The GLOCK is feared by liberals. It's called "plastic" and "ceramic" and "capable of going through airport metal detectors." If this were true, it would be the coolest gun on Earth. But these things are total lies, and serve to point out that liberals are not men, and have no honor."
It's nonsense of course, but it's crass and adds nothing to any debate. Its like me having a quote " Geoge Bush is a murderous fascist baby killer" every time I made a post!
Aside from that, there's something insufferably pompous about long quotes every time you post, although the funny ones are great!