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Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Spikes on April 13, 2007, 03:01:13 PM: It's pretty sad that a Sherman can kill a Tiger with one shot dead in the turret {Like it really could do in RL?!?}, but the Tiger can't kill a Sherman with one shot dead in the turret. I know this is an upgraded version of the Sherman, but STILL, I thought the Sherman wasn't that good anyway?
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Rash on April 13, 2007, 03:42:52 PM: Aim a little lower.
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Warspawn on April 13, 2007, 04:07:18 PM: Yah;

I was messing around offline with some friends and had them take me on with their Shermans vs. my Tiger.

I got thumped on about a dozen times from about 2500 yrds with no effect from their 17lbers, while my 88 lit them up with one hull hit every time. I finally lost when one snuck in less than 2k and lit me up from a left quarter shot.

Final score with Tiger defending and Shermans attacking from the front from about a 3k start? 14 Fireflies destroyed vs. the one lost Tiger.

If the 17lb gun gets close enough or gets a shot at weaker armor, it's certainly very potent. At long ranges though, the 88mm and the incredible toughness of the Tiger's armor still dominates.

On a side note; those little tank obstacles in TT? Very nice for the lower profile German armor to use. I had alot of success using them for cover in a PZIV. The Sherman certainly finds it much tougher achieving a hull-down defensive position there.
Title: Re: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Karnak on April 13, 2007, 04:14:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by spikes
Like it really could do in RL ?!?

It is a Firefly, not an American Sherman. It could easily do so.

You are right about the reverse though. The Tiger easily could kill the Firely.
Title: Re: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Bronk on April 13, 2007, 04:31:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by spikes
It's pretty sad that a Sherman can kill a Tiger with one shot dead in the turret {Like it really could do in RL?!?}, but the Tiger can't kill a Sherman with one shot dead in the turret. I know this is an upgraded version of the Sherman, but STILL, I thought the Sherman wasn't that good anyway?

17 pounder on the firefly could penetrate tiger's frontal armor at 1000 yards.
That's with standard ap rounds.

I forgot the abbreviation for the special rounds that could do the same 2k out.

Bronk
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Blooz on April 13, 2007, 07:55:33 PM: APDS

Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot

My info says penetrates 187mm at 2000yds

Only 10% of the Firefly tanks AP loadout was APDS after D-Day (6-44)
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Spikes on April 13, 2007, 11:01:39 PM: Ive had to shoot a sherman many times in a tiger for it to die, before it shot me.
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Bronk on April 13, 2007, 11:29:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by spikes
Ive had to shoot a sherman many times in a tiger for it to die, before it shot me.

Shoot better then.
:D

Bronk
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Bronk on April 13, 2007, 11:30:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
APDS

Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot

My info says penetrates 187mm at 2000yds

Only 10% of the Firefly tanks AP loadout was APDS after D-Day (6-44)

Thanks Blooz , knew it was some kind of sabot round.

Bronk
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Karnak on April 13, 2007, 11:56:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by spikes
Ive had to shoot a sherman many times in a tiger for it to die, before it shot me.

Well, my shot richocheted off of a Tiger and his first hit killed me. So, um, there.... Or something.
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Saxman on April 14, 2007, 01:59:53 AM: If I'm in a tank guaranteed I get single-ping killed in a Tiger by a pintail gun at 2000yds.

No, I'm not exaggerating.
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: Widewing on April 15, 2007, 10:40:40 AM: I tried the Sherman Firefly last evening. I rolled out to find a Mk.IV Panzer that was supposedly hiding in the brush by the tower. Turned out to be bad info as the Panzer was about 1,000 yards east of the tower, and he knocked out my turret.

Upping another Firefly, I found that this was Panzer already dead. So, I went hunting and found another Mk.IV on a hill side. One hit at 2,300 yards blew him up. The round hit the frontal armor.

Going back to the V-base, I killed running troops with the .30cal and popped two T-34s at 800 yards, one round each.

What players need to understand is that at medium range, the 17 pounder is more lethal than the Tiger's 88mm.

The secret to success in tank fights is alway getting in the first shot. This is of even greater importance with the Firefly. Shoot and scoot. Fire and move.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: devild0g on April 15, 2007, 08:23:59 PM: just wondering what is hvap?
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: halcyon on April 15, 2007, 08:28:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by devild0g
just wondering what is hvap?

High velocity armor piercing.
T34's were just loaded with this ammo. It will outperform standard AP rounds at 1,000 yds or less, while only slightly outperforming standard AP rounds at 1,500 yds or less.
Past 1,500 yds, standard AP rounds are penetrate armor better.
Title: One Shot One Kill?
Post by: devild0g on April 15, 2007, 08:38:00 PM: lol i was trying it offline... too bad it still cant do squat to a tiger XD