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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: DaChamp687 on April 15, 2007, 12:45:24 AM
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Lately I've been looking for something other than the same old.
I usally fly the
Spit 16
109G-2
(I have landed 6 kills in a P-38L even thou I fly it for the rocket capacity and ability to hold its own against fighters)
I'm not the best pilot but I'm half decent. :)
Any suggestions on which planes to try ?
I like to T'n'B but I also like to have the ability to climb or Run if I get in a bad situation.
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P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47N
Best birds in the game right there!
Now they will seem a bit heavy at first but once you get used to it there just like a spit:aok
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P-40E
Spitfire mk I
Bf-109E
Hurricane mk I
B-17G
Ju-88 (Landed 6 A2A kills in them one night, all of which were kills earned dogfighting)
Me-262
Me-163
Boston III
A-20G (Also a decent dogfighter)
SBD Dauntless
TBM Avenger
Other than Bombers, American FBs, and that P-40, I never fly anything without cannon :aok
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reynolds, dont dilute the poor kid with your bombing ways :lol
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F4U-4 = Best prop fighter in the game. It's perked, and for dammed good reason.
F4Us in general are among the top of the list, but the 4-Hog is definitely THE best in the game.
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psst please my jug will eat a F4U-4 1 v 1 to bits!:aok
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Different, T&B, and able to climb?
You may find what you are looking for in Jug or Hog. Read up on them re> strengths and weaknesses (good advice for any plane really). P-47D11 is the "lightest" Jug, which has some advantages.
I won't go into any low ENY planes, but you could try;
Ki-84 "Frank"... nice vertical fighter. Quick. Good WEP. Decent weapons. A little soft, lack of armor leads to pilot wounds. Can definitely climb, and run from all but fastest planes. Might fit your flying style. It's my favorite T&B plane.
Try a Yak. Fast, quick little planes. Can be fun.
Spit-9, Spit-8, Spit-V.
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Just last night I went through a good list
-A6M's
-Earlier Spits
-C.205
-P47
-FM2
- Oops forgot to add the Yaks
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The only thing worth flying is the P38.
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The only thing that actually flies, are the 109s.
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109K4 or G14. all you need.
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I'll list my top picks and explanations:
All-time Favorite:
Ki-84
This plane is one of the best "balanced" fighters. It's got very nice speed, sizable ammo with 2 12.7mm MGs and 2 20mm cannons, excellent turn rate, great climb rate, and the best acceleration rate of all the prop planes.
Downsides are it's got very little WEP, compresses very easily (watch your dives), and is susceptible to pilot wounds.
Other Favorites:
C.205 - great climb & turn rates, good speed, TON of ammo w/ 20mm cannons. I've found it to stall easily though at low speeds
F4U-4 - As someone said before, the best overall of all prop planes (in my opinion). Ton of ammo for it's 6 50cal MGs (no cannons however), superior turning w/ flaps, climb rate is superior, speed is superior. Also doesn't compress easily, and you can drop your gear at 400 kts!!! Woot
Hurricane2C - The best defensive plane in my experience. Turn rate is unbested except for the A6M2. Rolls great, and has nothing but 4 20mm Hispano cannons for offense. Downsides are it has very little ammo, isn't that fast, and doesn't have a great climb rate
P-47D-25 - My favorite of all the heavy fighters. Excellent speed once you get it going, and can actually turn pretty well if you use flaps. Has a gazillion rounds for it's 8 50cal MGs, and you can easily slap some ords on it for ground attack. It also takes a serious beating...very rugged aircraft. This plane is one of the best for town offense as well
Yak-9T - Lots of people don't like this one but I think it's a great little plane. Awesome speed and a superior climb rate. The big thing with this plane is it's 37mm nose cannon. This gun is basically a one shot kill. One hit on a wing will rip it right off. This plane is well suited for defending bases against bomber attacks. It gets up quick and has a huge punch
Typhoon - If you want some quick boom and zoom action, jump in this thing. It is the fastest of all the prop planes, and packs a serious dose of hurt with it's 4 20mm Hispano cannons. It retains E extremely well on climbout, but it doesn't roll or turn well at all. Keep your speed up and don't get too low
N1K2-J - This is another well rounded and balanced plane. Excellent turning, decent speed once it gets going, and lots and lots of ammo for it's 4 20mm cannons. Don't try to outrun pursuers in this plane though, they WILL catch you. I use it for turn fighting and limited boom & zoom capacity
Well those are my top picks.
To the OP: Hope you find a plane that best suits you!
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Originally posted by Serenity
A-20G (Also a decent dogfighter)
yes it is, I have gone into dogfighting a seafire in TT and come out on top.
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anything with a ENY of more than 20
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FM2
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Originally posted by Husky01
psst please my jug will eat a F4U-4 1 v 1 to bits!:aok
LOL...yeah right. I'm sorry, I love the P-47s too, but the -4 Hog is on another level of performance altogether than any of the P-47s are. The only negatives to the -4 hog are poor range and average guns, but it is still the best prop plane in the game.
I also like the Ki84, P-40E, 109F and the FM-2.
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Originally posted by Serenity
TBM Avenger
Listen to the kid. He learned the hard way about the TBM.
Oh yes Reynolds, I'll never let you forget!!
:D
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No lie about the TBM. I killed 4, 190's, in one sortie with that little honey. Then his stupid freind in a Hurricane 2C, HO'ed me.
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Originally posted by moneyguy
anything with a ENY of more than 20
Well, my self imposed limit is ENY 15, so I can fly the Ki-84......
although I did up a cannon heavy 110G2 this past week to kill a flock of LVT's.... but ord was out... and it was desperation, and grabbed the first cannon heavy plane I saw on the list. I felt so dirty, I had to up A-20G's and C.205's for a while.
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Originally posted by halcyon
Typhoon - If you want some quick boom and zoom action, jump in this thing. It is the fastest of all the prop planes,
It isn't. It's big brother, the Tempest is much faster at all altitudes. So is the La-7 up to about 12k, the 109K4 and 190D-9 at almost any altitude, and lots of other planes above 5k.
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And it turns like a dump truck, Lusche.
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Originally posted by Lusche
It isn't. It's big brother, the Tempest is much faster at all altitudes. So is the La-7 up to about 12k, the 109K4 and 190D-9 at almost any altitude, and lots of other planes above 5k.
When I said Typhoon, I meant all variations.
Tempest is a variation of the standard Typhoon...which yes is faster then it's standard base model.
The 109K4 or 190D-9 to my knowledge cannot catch a Typhoon or a Tempest about 5k to deck (which is where most fights occur on average).
Then you said "lots of other planes above 5k...." .....planes that are faster then the Typhoon?
Name them please! :)
*****EDIT*****
Okay, decided to post some speed charts.
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7416/speedprofiletyphoonfs3.jpg)(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8979/speedprofiletempestll4.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/115/speedprofile109k4zf4.jpg)(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8936/speedprofile190d9yh1.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3306/speedprofilela7jc7.jpg)
So, just to quote you again Lusche, you said the 109K-4 and the 190D-9 are faster than the Typhoon at "almost any altitude."
Sorry to say but from the charts the Typhoon is faster then both aircraft on deck. At 5,000 ft the Typhoon is doing about 375mph. The 109K-4 is only doing 365ish, and the 190D-9 is doing 360ish.
So from 5k to deck, the Typhoon is STILL faster then the 109K-4 and the 190D-9....hmm, any altitude huh? :lol
Even at 10,000 ft the 109K-4 is around the same 185ish range as the Typhoon does at that same altitude. The 190D-9 however goes slightly faster then the Typhoon at 10k.
Then you said the LA-7 is faster then the Typhoon "up to about 12k."
From the charts, the Typhoon will outspeed the LA-7 until about 5,000 ft.
So sorry! Wrong again.
Next time you wanna get technical and nitpicky, do yer homework! :D
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I've flown and/or driven 54 different planes and vehicles over the past three months. I could give you reasons for and against flying any one of them.
One thing you might look at is the community/scores/view kills in expanded format links above and view model vs model, all models. It will show you the overall K/D ratio of each plane for the arenas. Pick one that seems good and go try it. If it doesn't suit you move down the list.
I pesonally do best in German iron or British plywood.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Listen to the kid. He learned the hard way about the TBM.
Oh yes Reynolds, I'll never let you forget!!
:D
LMAO!@#!##!@
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Originally posted by halcyon
When I said Typhoon, I meant all variations.
Tempest is a variation of the standard Typhoon...which yes is faster then it's standard base model.
The 109K4 or 190D-9 to my knowledge cannot catch a Typhoon or a Tempest 6k to deck (which is where most fights occur on average).
Then you said "lots of other planes above 5k...." .....planes that are faster then the Typhoon?
Name them please! :)
The Tempest is so different to the Typhoon that I certainly would not call it a variation. It's not only faster by a huge margin (about 20mph), but it turns better and has a decent roll rate, quite contrary to the Typhoon. And last but not least more pure powwer & acceleration, the Tempest has a more than 1200 ft/min bigger climbrate on deck. There is a reason that the Typhoon has usually a k/d between 6 and 7 and the Typhoon around 1.5 ...
You can and have to fly the Tempest in a very different way.
At Sea Level, D-9, K-4 and Typhoon have about the same speed: D-9 ~377 mph, Tiffie & K-4 ~ 370 mph. It all depends on initial energy, but note that the german planes have almost double WEP endurance.
And if a D-9 or K-4 running from a Typhoon and the Tiffies energy surplus is not too big, they can just steadly climb away.
And here are some planes faster than Typhoon:
La-7: Faster at all altitudes but 13-18k
109K-4: much faster at any alt above 5k
P51D: Only 3-4 mph slower under 7k, faster at all alts above that
109D-9: Slightly faster than Tiffie up to 6k, way faster above that
Spit XIV: faster above 6k
F4U-4: 10mph faster on deck, and faster at all alts above 7k
P47-N: faster above 7.5k
Yak9-U: faster from about 6.5k up;)
EDIT: I would recommend you'd look at those speed charts again. And use your glasses this time... :D
Even on those HTC charts you can see that the Typh WEP speed on deck is under 375mph, the LA well above...
at 10K, the graphs clearly show 109K max speed around 415mph vs. Tiffies 380mph:
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6579/speedprofiletyphoonfs3lv7.png) (http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1717/speedprofile109k4zf4hv5.png)
For detailled comparisons, go to http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php:
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/651/comparisongj6.png)
Or download Spatulas excellent plane performance comparison tool. If I rember right, there was also an excel spreadsheet somwhere to find at http://www.netaces.org.
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190A8
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190s will make you pull your hair off but don't worry, it will grow back -on your chest!
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You can talk and talk but the spit v stays the best plane.;)
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Its not about having the best plane. Its about making the best of the plane you like ;)
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I went out and tried the Ki-84 last night and I must say I am impressed. Thank you for taking the time to help novices out, guys.
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Mosquito VI
Yak-9U
Ki-84
Ki-61
If you want to expand your horizons a bit and maybe learn some different tactics and gunnery. To learn you need to fall down a few times, so dont get upset over your "score" just fly them and have fun. Fragile egos rarely improve much because they dont like to ever get shot down to learn something new.
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LOL I can assure you my ego has been tested over the last few months.
I don't like the weak WEP of the Ki-84 but everything else is pretty nice.
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Originally posted by Wobblin-Goblin
I don't like the weak WEP of the Ki-84 but everything else is pretty nice.
Use the WEP when you need it, like in 30 second bursts/dashes. " 150mph to 300mph sprint with WEP only required 42 seconds at light loads and those numbers barely change (44sec) at normal loading (50% internal and full ammo). "(Soda). You also have to remember, the Ki-84 has one of the best recharge times --- about 1 sec cooling for 3 seconds on --- in the game.
That's how you use WEP in a Ki-84. Less than 1 minute at a time, primarily to accelerate when needed, or extra hang time in vertical fight.
Also, best to stay under 11K alt with a Ki-84. It has a decent performance curve around 17K to 21K, but it's kind of narrow and other high alt planes can eat you for lunch up there, the Frank does not do it's best work up high.
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Everything in AH has a 2 second WEP cooldown for 1 second on except for the Ki-84. It has something like a 2 seconds on for 1 second cooldown.
This actually makes the Ki-84's WEP very powerful for extended fights. That P-51 or Spit will run it's WEP out and that's that, but the '84 keeps recharging it so it almost always has something to get extra power with.
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109e
109f
109g6
109g14
109k4
190a5
190a8 (if feelin masochistic)
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Even on those HTC charts you can see that the Typh WEP speed on deck is under 375mph, the LA well above...
at 10K, the graphs clearly show 109K max speed around 415mph vs. Tiffies 380mph:
Well okay, but you can't always depend on WEP.
I made my calculations in the charts above using military power, not max power.
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FM-2 (can outturn virtually anything, including zekes)
P-40E (won't compress, turns well with flaps)
P-51B (folks underestimate the 4 .50cals)
Spitfire Mk. I (folks really underestimate the 8 .303's)
Spitfire Mk. V (not much ammo or fuel, but turns well)
Spitfire Mk. IX (good blend of ammo, fuel, and turning)
Hurricane Mk. I (will outturn anything, no joke, also, same guns as spit1)
Hurricane Mk. IIC (tight turner, barely any ammo, but 4x 20mm's works)
P-38J (turns well with flaps, watch out for compression)
P-47D-11 (tons of ammo, turns well with flaps, dives like no other)
P-47D-25 (same, just more fuel)
Bf-109F-4 (turns good, moderate ammo)
Bf-109G-2 (very good in the vertical)
Bf-109G-6 (heavy armament, good for bomber-hunting)
Bf-109G-14 (has the spud-gun option, fast)
F-4U-1 (turns well with flaps, gear can extend at 350mph or so)
F-4U-1D (fast, turns well with flap control, can go in heavy)
Yak-9T (37mm cannon makes short work of bombers, turns on a dime)
Yak-9U (must keep ammo conservation at the top, turns very well)
SBD-5 (with the flaps full out, can outturn anything save hurrimk1)
I think that about covers it....all my opinions, of course.
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I disagree about the FM-2 out-turning the Zeke. Any fight under 200mph that Zero will be inside him and watching his BB's bounce harmlessly off him.
Not to say the FM-2 isn't a good bird. She's fun to take against Spixteen dweebs... :D
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I love the P-47's & FM2 is a blast also.
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Halcyon:
"When I said Typhoon, I meant all variations.
Tempest is a variation of the standard Typhoon...which yes is faster then it's standard base model."
Tempest comes from Typhoon, - sort of, but it's another aircraft. The wing is completely different, as well as several other modifications.
BTW, The Spit XIV is little mentioned, - 448 mph at 26K, and 5000 fpm climb from SL to 9K, which is matched by nothing with a prop ;)
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Yeah man, try flying some of the early models... I LOVE the Hurricane Mk1 and Spit Mk1... they're slow, but they turn on a dime.
Unlike late models-- you can't really lob cannon rounds in front of an ememy and hope they hit a wing or elevator, you have to be patient for a good shot and really hammer down with all eight .303's to do damage.
The old birds are really rewarding to fly, and it feels 10x better scoring kills in them IMO
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110G (great bomber killer, a lot of ammo if ur one of those spray and pray ppl, good bombload, speed is ok, turning is ehhh ok, use it to HO those stupid spits, cuz u'll never outturn them, plus it got good range.)
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fly the b-17, b-24, b-26, and soon to be b-25