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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: blkmgc on April 15, 2007, 10:32:10 AM
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This is what I see graphic wise. What do you see thats different? I know some are having contrast issues. How does it look to you? Maybe we (the ones without problems) can come up with some common settings to help folks out.
This rig:
P4 3.0
4 Gb PC3200
Nvidea GF 7600GT (256 MG) w/ 91.47 forceware drivers
Viewsonic 22"wide @ 1680x1050
60Hz refresh rates
Vsync- Off
Digital vibrance- Medium (first notch)
bnrightness-100
contrast 100
Gamma- 1.0
immage settings- High quality
antialiasing- 2x
anistropic filtering-2x
Yields about 80 FPS ingame.
(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/2007/4/15/ah1.jpg)
(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/2007/4/15/ah2.jpg)
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Looks gud 2 me. What's everybody *****ing about? :)
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From what I have seen it seems dependent on the particular terrain in place. At least I have noticed small differences, with ndisles looking probably the best out of the few I have seen. They are all a little dark, with some more than others but I have made no adjustments to monitor or vid card.
The terrain is 'flat' someone else said it.. it sucks the light. There is something not quite right with the lighting, and aircraft do look out of place in the current environment (as Fester has pointed out..)
Overall though, its definitely a step forward
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Over the areas like that with textures it looks nice, but there are some areas with no (or very little) textures and you have very little depth perception. You can be looking at a spot where you know there is a hill, but it's just solid green.
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Vsync- Off
This is is going to cause you to have rubber bullets, for benchmarking having VSync off is ok but for normal online AH play it will cause you lots of frustration.
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(http://www.78th.org/site/temp/hill.png)
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This is is going to cause you to have rubber bullets, for benchmarking having VSync off is ok but for normal online AH play it will cause you lots of frustration.
I've never ran with vsync on, and it's never caused any issues.
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It does seem dark to me as well. I turned up the gamma and it helps but then the plane skins seem washed out.
I think they need to adjust the contrast a bit.
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Take a screenshot from 5k alt.
Show us that 'lovely' patchwork quilt of puke green rectangles, dark green rectangles and almost black green blobs of forest.
Activisions "Pitfall" had better graphics and that was in 1980.
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Originally posted by culero
Looks gud 2 me. What's everybody *****ing about? :)
Yes it looks FANTASTIC at near ground or ground level
Look at it from 10K and something defiately gets lost in the translation
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Originally posted by Trukk
I've never ran with vsync on, and it's never caused any issues.
It has, you just don't realize it. One thing that WILL happen with VSync off while flying online in AH is that you will see more hit sprites than AH registers. This has been discused many times here and it's agreed on by the staff at HTC and the many technicaly aware players that it's best to have VSync on during online AH play.
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in a discussion re:Vsync
Originally posted by Skuzzy
On is preferred.
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(http://www.patricksaviation.com/uploads/av_images/12351.jpg)
(http://www.patricksaviation.com/uploads/av_images/12245.jpg)
AA x 6
AF x 4
Brightness around 90
Contrast around 90
Gama around 1.5
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Everything is fine but the brightness. It's too dark. I showed the screenshot in the first post to two people (one gamer, the other not), and they both said the luminosity was that of late evening.
I'd post what it looks like on my pc, and link to real pictures of normaly-lit noon landscape for comparison, but my PC is out of service at the moment.
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You can say that the terrain's technically great (hedgerows, roads, etc), but how can anyone in their right mind say that the screenshots of the ground aren't too dark when they're supposed to have been taken in the middle of the day??
I think part of the problem might be that some people have their monitor's brightness set so high that they get sunburns from using it. ;)
I agree with Blooz, too. When you get up high, the terrain looks like a solid green mass with really dark spots of forest all over it (unless you happen to flying over the few farm tiles).
Aces High 1 and 2.09 might have been a step back technically, but they had way more character and style from up high. Somehow, I think that Hitech needs to lay down more terrain textures on the tiles to break up the green blob.
edit. "But GuyNoir, what if your monitor's brightness is too low??"
Well, every other game ever has looked just fine, so either they're all too bright, or the new terrain is too dark.... and not the 2.09 terrain. :)
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I spend 99% of my game time in a GV, and the terrain is just too dark. It's really that simple.:rolleyes:
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Kazaa, those shots are beautiful. They belong in the screen shot forum.
I messed with my brightness a bit and was able to brighten everything up. I think it looks great. Especially when in a GV. At 10k, I could care less what the ground looks like. It's the other airplane that is my worry.
:aok
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I am so confused. People post screen shots to prove that it looks just great and on my monitor they are almost completely black. Do some people just have the brightness cranked way up? (If I do that, normal stuff in Windows gets all washed out and my wife gets a headache using the computer.) Or do these people think the ground really looks near black at noon in real life and they like it that way? How can there be such enormous disparity?
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Prozac?
Maybe Zoloft.
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These are the same settings I'm using in every other game I play. the terrain looks the same (to me) at 5k, 10,or 20 k. Doesnt make a difference. I didnt start this to argue about it.I did this to maybe find some common setting that some could try and use to make it better for them.
It has, you just don't realize it. One thing that WILL happen with VSync off while flying online in AH is that you will see more hit sprites than AH registers. This has been discused many times here and it's agreed on by the staff at HTC and the many technicaly aware players that it's best to have VSync on during online AH play.
Just got a kill today on an aircraft that I saw only a few hits, then the guy augered (awarding me the kill). have'nt had any issue with vsync off. I think with different conections, ymmv.
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Still think that the ground is too dark, IMO look at that guys post with all the ground images.
P.S: Forgot High Res Texture Pack and 1024 res.
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If you are on the deck then the ground looks great at certain angles. However if you get up in the air a few k and it's looks like someone threw a green sheet over the old terrain.
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Originally posted by culero
Looks gud 2 me. What's everybody *****ing about? :)
Blkmgc's posted pics look very dark to me.
My system is calibrated such that total display gamma is 2.2 (standard for Internet sRGB color space), gamma adjust on my card is set to 1.0, and I have a CRT.
Here's what I see, new on left, old on right. Left is very, very dark on my setup. Right is fine.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/combined.jpg)
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This is what I see...
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/SASKID/ahss83.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/SASKID/ahss89.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/SASKID/ahss90.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/SASKID/ahss5.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/SASKID/ahss53.jpg)
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Whether graphics look bright or dark to people depends on how they have they systems set up. That's why there is an Internet standard for the sRGB color space, so that what you see on your monitor matches what someone else sees on his monitor and that matches correctly calibrated printers, etc.
What matters in the end is brightness and total display gamma -- which is what you see with your eyes on your screen. Display gamma is not the same thing as "gamma" as listed by your video card or in AH -- those are gamma adjustments that sit on top of what all the other gammas in your system are.
There are utilities out there that can allow you to tell what your display gamma is and web pages that can allow you to estimate it and to tell you how to correctly adjust everything to match the standard (such as this one: http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html ). The Internet standard for the Internet sRGB color space is to have color temperature of 6500, a display gamma of 2.2, and a brightness set correctly.
My display is set according to that. However, my display is a CRT. I've noticed that LCD's often have display gammas way off from 2.2 (like my LCD display at work, which is a higher-end one but which is way off from 2.2).
My guess is that anyone having a system that is calibrated to display gamma of 2.2 is going to see the AH world as very, very dark and that people who have display gammas different from 2.2 (such as with some LCD's) or who have their gamma adjust set to higher than 1.0 all the time may not see the AH world as very, very dark.
Why not just crank up your gamma adjust in AH or graphics card then, you ask? Because cranking up your gamma adjust causes images to look more and more washed out the higher you crank up your gamma adjust. It's much better to have your gamma adjust at 1.0, which is where you should be seeing the images as the designer of the images intended -- if the designer and you both have the same total display gamma -- which is why there is a standard for the Internet sRGB color space.
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i Had to turn my gamma up to make things look ok. But i fly the f4u-1d mostly,and the glass square in front of the gunsight gets so milky that i can't see the con i'm shooting at! the 38J has the same problem!I a'm sure this will be resolved , but I hope it is soon.
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
This is what I see...
Yikes! Those are some bizzare looking artifacts in the images. However, that seems to be the old version of AH, not the current version.
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I run a Gf7600GT with Digital Vibrance turned up one notch by default (from WW2OL settings). I noticed when I took some screenies the pictures were significantly darker than what I remember them being in game.
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The terrain is way to dark...it's as simple as that.
Didn't have to adjust anything prior to this last release. Terrian was bright and clear during the day, gradually got darker towards dusk.
Don't think I should to have to adjust gamma and all the other things just to make the terrain look the way that it has been for years (brightness)
I'm sure HTC knows there is a problem and I'm sure it will be fixed soon.
So please stop with all the "it looks great" and "just adjust this and tweak that"
We should'nt have to adjust our monitors just to play AH and then have to put it back to do other things on the computer.
I just hope it's fixed soon
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I see this... (in the training arena its some of the old terrain tiles mixed in with the new ones)
hopefuly they will lighten up the new stuff to fit in with the old stuff that would make eveyrthing fine I think.
(http://p38fester.sitesled.com/trainingarena1.jpg)
(http://p38fester.sitesled.com/trainingarena2.jpg)