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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on April 15, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
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Hey!, what's going on there?! wich side are nou in? Putin or Berezovsky/Kasparov?:(
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I think the IBM computer will win the match again.
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Don't worry, Boroda, the chinese demonstrated some effective techniques for handling these types of things back in Tienanmen square. Maybe the russian T-92s will have enough horsepower to overcome those obstacles that stopped the Type 59s the chinese used...
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It's the Great Vodka Revolution of 2007!
The people demand more vodka! Some of them are even starting to sober up it's been so long. :D
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Hush up, you may be targeted with radiation next.
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Is this what the tread topic is about?
Putin opponents step up pressure
Supporters credit Mr Putin with bringing economic stability
Opponents of the Russian president are to take to the streets of Moscow to protest against what they say is the trampling of democratic freedoms.
The coalition of opposition movements, known as Other Russia, says Saturday will be a "March of Dissent".
The march comes as Russia warned it wanted the extradition of London-based exile Boris Berezovsky.
Mr Berezovsky told the UK's Guardian newspaper he was plotting "revolution" to overthrow Vladimir Putin.
Accusing Mr Putin of creating an authoritarian regime, the tycoon said that Russia's leadership could only be removed by force.
Later, he clarified his words, stating that he backed "bloodless change" and did not support violence.
UK police said they were "assessing the contents of a Guardian article... to determine if any offences may have been disclosed".
Riot police
More than 9,000 police have been drafted into the Russian capital ahead of the march, including riot police, Associated Press news agency reports.
Officials have warned that they will take tough measures with anyone who breaks the law.
Mr Berezovsky said he wanted a "revolution" in Russia
Members of Other Russia, a coalition led by chess champion Garry Kasparov and former Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov, say they have been warned not to take part in the march.
Despite the protest, Mr Putin remains a popular figure with many in Russia, credited with bringing economic stability to the country.
Analysts say the march will be seen as a key test of the strength of the opposition ahead of next year's presidential elections.
Mr Berezovsky had said he wanted to see Russia become a free and democratic country - but that fair elections were not viable under the current regime.
The UK Foreign Office said it would "look carefully" at Mr Berezovsky's comments, and that it "deplored" any call for the violent overthrow of a sovereign state.
Mr Kasparov said Mr Berezovsky's comments were a "PR stunt".
"They are absolutely detrimental, damaging for what we are doing here," Mr Kasparov said.
Russia's chief prosecutor said he had launched criminal proceedings against Mr Berezovsky.
Financial support
Mr Berezovsky, granted political asylum in the UK in 2003, said he was giving financial support to unnamed members of Russia's political elite who wanted to force a change of leadership in Moscow.
Mr Berezovsky has a fortune estimated at £800m ($1.4bn).
Previously an ally of former President Boris Yeltsin, he has already fought off Russian extradition requests on fraud charges which he said were politically motivated.
He was one of the first targets of President Putin's crackdown on the Russian oligarchs - well-connected entrepreneurs who made fortunes during privatisation - and went into self-imposed exile at the end of 2000.
Following the Guardian article, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov again called on the UK to extradite Mr Berezovsky and said he should be stripped of his refugee status.
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Originally posted by mandingo
Hush up, you may be targeted with radiation next.
then shut the hell up all of you. That guy they had poison the traitor came through hamburg like johnny *******-appleseed with a bag o polonium.
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let's just give them Gorbachov back, and everybody will be happy. Except Boroda of course.
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Originally posted by ghi
Hey!, what's going on there?! wich side are nou in? Putin or Berezovsky/Kasparov?:(
Definetly not on Berezovskiy/Kasparov side, first one is responsible for Chechen war and robbed millions of people, second one is a russophobic imbecile payed by the US Department of State (it's not a joke).
I don't like Putin, but at least he's better then the old Yeltsin/Berezovskiy gang.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I don't like Putin
Can you personally run for President of Russia?
or do you have to be the party favorite?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
then shut the hell up all of you. That guy they had poison the traitor came through hamburg like johnny *******-appleseed with a bag o polonium.
You can order Polonium off the internet here in the states. Nothing special.
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Uncle Joe is rolling in his grave.
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Originally posted by Boroda
second one is a russophobic imbecile payed by the US Department of State (it's not a joke).
i read in the news friday, about Moscow acussing US for its involvement, and UK is hiding that dirty oligarch,
Dirty capitalists politicians , can't mind their bussines! no wonder everybody hates them from Latin America to Asia,
But i feel sorry for american people working hard, and showing as canadians when travel abroad , they don't know what their goverment does with their tax money,
I seen lot creature like Berzezovsky, in Romania after "89 and the fall of comunist party,they got rich overnight, when inflation was over 200% year, unemployement 40-50% in some cities,most people coudn't aford daily basics,
That's why i admire Vladimir Putin, we didn't have one back in Romania at right time, and the hyenas drained our last drop of blood and hope after Revolution
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and the hyenas drained our last drop of blood and hope after Revolution
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maybe if you and your weak hearted countryman had the guts to fight for a free and democratic nation you wouldn't be hiding in Canada like the rest of the eastern european rejects who fled their homelands during the strife resulting from the collapse of Stalins USSR.
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Originally posted by Yeager
and the hyenas drained our last drop of blood and hope after Revolution
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maybe if you and your weak hearted countryman had the guts to fight for a free and democratic nation you wouldn't be hiding in Canada like the rest of the eastern european rejects who fled their homelands during the strife resulting from the collapse of Stalins USSR.
Yeager, you just don't get the point.
Fighting for a "free and democratic nation" usually leads to total collapse. "Democracy" and "freedom" are nothing more then propaganda cliches.
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Just sit still for the sharks to have their snack.. make no attempt at swimming to the shore.
Everyone should also give up trying to own anything, since there will always be some small part of what we earn that finds its way into someone else's hands.
Living ought to be stopped too, since eventually everyone dies.
"Freedom and democracy", "due reward for honest work", and "living" are all propaganda.. from corrupt politicians who want what's best for you.
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Moot, I hoped noone will misunderstand what I posted.
We had enough fighting for "brave new world" in the 90s, and we should thank that Yeltsin's gang that they kept the civil war only in Chechnya (such scale was enough for them to steal money from a starving country). We didn't end up like poor Yugoslavia, probably because we have a Bomb and noone will dare to bring "democracy" to Russia with tanks and cruise missiles.
People who propagated "freedom and democracy" here were only puppets that had one goal: steal the results of the 70 years of hard work. Later they were overrun by another gang, that steals just as they did, but doesn't listen to direct orders from overseas (I mean Putin), and pretends to care about national interests and social problems. All this "protests" and "support demonstrarions" are absolutely useless: nothing will ever change if we trade current crooks for old or new ones.
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Crooks will be crooks, and honest people will fight for fairness. The human nature to strive for what's best is such, independently of history.
Sitting on your butt because it's all rumoured to be in vain will not be better than doing something.. In fact that would be pretty crooked already.
No fair (enough) government will ever happen with everyone sufficing themselves to defeatist apathy.
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Originally posted by Boroda
"Democracy" and "freedom" are nothing more then propaganda cliches.
Boroda, I have to 100% totally disagree with you on that statement. I've always liked your posting & I think you sound very intelligent but every once in a while you spew some of the dumbest sounding tripe.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
"Mankind are governed more by their feelings than by reason"
Democracy isn't a "perfect" form of govt. & there is room for improvement in anything that is not perfect; but to say freedom is a cliche? Man you need either a lot more of it or a lot less to fully appreciate it.
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Originally posted by moot
Crooks will be crooks, and honest people will fight for fairness. The human nature to strive for what's best is such, independently of history.
Sitting on your butt because it's all rumoured to be in vain will not be better than doing something.. In fact that would be pretty crooked already.
No fair (enough) government will ever happen with everyone sufficing themselves to defeatist apathy.
You speak like a Communist.
Please show me one particular party or group in modern Russia to support. Now I vote for Commies, just because they are the same crooks but lost power 15 years ago, so now they simply oppose any ruling group. I have no illusions of what they'll do if they come back to power.
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Brenjen, whai is "freedom"? I am Free, but I don't like "freedom" as it is understood in the West now. I am against "freedom" as a cliche.
BTW, both words were used in Soviet official propaganda, opposed to Western meaning of this word. What I see now is that our new "freedom" is a only for a few to steal and for the majority to be robbed. There is another "extreme" meaning of "freedom" used by Chechen "freedom fighters", it's a freedom to kill, rape and loot. How about that?
Democracy is now an euphemism for media brainwashing the voters to make them feel responsible for the decisions made by so-called "elite".
Terms can be defined in different ways. I define myself as "stalinist", but twp of us see absolutely different meanings of this word.
Funny - I post such rants being deadly sober :confused:
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Well if you are referring to the popular twisting of the words, then I agree with you. If you were calling the actual meaning of the words "cliche" then I disagree.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"
Sorry but Samuel Adams was eloquent & I agree with so many of his thoughts that I like to quote him.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Well if you are referring to the popular twisting of the words, then I agree with you. If you were calling the actual meaning of the words "cliche" then I disagree.
Probably lingual misunderstanding.
I meant something like Orwell's "newspeak".
I am a "stalinist" meaning that I want people to be responsibe for their actions (not with their lives but at least risking to lose their jobs), while in modern "newspeak" this word is linked with "purges" and "GULAG", that are respectively understood as defined by Goebbels and Solzhenitsyn.
USSR was a 100% democratic country, but who will dare to say it in public now?...
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Can you outline the specific 5-year plan that will fix this situation?
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Man old dogs die hard don't they???
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you must forgive Boroda, he spent his whole life in communist USSR, he has no concept of what "freedom" and "democracy" are, to him they are words of the imperial capitalistic warmongers.
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Boroda,
I don't know of any parties or groups in Russia. I'd let you anticipate which one I'd support, but considering that you interpret what some of what I find are fundamental values as communism, communication between you and I is not exactly accurate :lol (suffice to say I would never stand for someone who legislates more rather than less honest earnings away from people) .
From what you say though, Russia just may have nothing but sharks.
Nothing but your own will stops you from swimming ashore. What was it you said recently? "Sometimes I just want to forget and stop thinking", or something like that?
Well, that'd be your problem, right there.
I've had to deal with a lot of people who have been submerged into their native cultures for so long that they are almost absolutely impermeable to the coherence of anything else.. I mean they can't even entertain perspectives different from their own; before assessing them in any way. You sound like that.
Sorry for the off topic tangent.
Good luck with any fallout from that Putin/whoever situation.
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Originally posted by moot
What was it you said recently? "Sometimes I just want to forget and stop thinking", or something like that?
Let me please tell You that what I said in another thread, where I tried to speak my mind, and did it only because I can't do it in my own language with the people who meet me every day, is in no ****ing way Your business. So I kindly expect You to leave it out of this thread.
I have got enough personal problems to skip any preaching from people that I don't know face to face.
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Originally posted by moot
Well, that'd be your problem, right there.
I've had to deal with a lot of people who have been submerged into their native cultures for so long that they are almost absolutely impermeable to the coherence of anything else.. I mean they can't even entertain perspectives different from their own; before assessing them in any way. You sound like that.
My dear distant friend! I have been submerged into so many cultures that You will simply find hard to imagine.
I enjoy Western culture, I mean it. Russians are not "asian barbarians on their shaggy mounts", we are Christians, we do share some Asian attitude - but we worked as a shield for the West for 300 years, when Mongols failed to get further then Russian Principates.
Do you mean that I should emigrate? I don't feel like emigrating, and in fact I can't: my Father is 80 years old. You guys probably don;t care about such nuisances, but for us, barbarians, it's one of the basic things: we care about our Elders.
My Mother lives in Australia since 1995, she's an Australian citizen, I visited her last Autumn, and I really think Australia is a place to be. But I belong here.
Every country has its own pros and cons.
Here in Russia we trade relative comfort of the Western world for an unimaginable degree of personal freedom.
I have said it before in another thread: In Moscow subway smoking wasn't prohibited until late-1960s. It was simple: noone smoked. Just because they understood it's inappropriate.
Now I can do what I want, I can drink beer in the street, I can do whatever I want, as long as I don't bother others. I simply understand what is appropriate, and I know what I shouldn't do. I can drink with homeless bums, I can sing songs in the street, I can can kiss girls on Easter in the streets (and I am an Atheist - I just like this Russian tradition ;)) - and noone cares about my alcoholism or moral conditions. That's what I call "freedom" - my own personal freedom. I behave myself and I see most of the people around behaving themselves.
Originally posted by moot
Sorry for the off topic tangent.
Good luck with any fallout from that Putin/whoever situation.
Thanks. I don't think it will come as far as radioactive fallout.
Moot, what is Your native language?
I can't see any exit from current situation except decorating several thousand lamp-posts with our "authorities", but I am a true Stalinist and don't want to make it that bad.
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Originally posted by john9001
you must forgive Boroda, he spent his whole life in communist USSR, he has no concept of what "freedom" and "democracy" are, to him they are words of the imperial capitalistic warmongers.
I lived in USSR only until I was 20.
Please, note that I have seen how the things are going in the West - "bloody Soviet regime" sent me to the US as an exchange student in 1989, and I see how things are going here in "democratic" Russian Federation since 1992, while most of you guys here never saw anything else then the system where you were born. 99% of you guys have absolutely no idea about life in USSR, all you know is a weird mixture of lies and propaganda.
BTW, you were right about warmongers. "Free world" started more wars in last 10 years then USSR did in 70 years of it's history. It's not an accusation, no offenses please, but I simply can't understand what is it all for :(
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My father went to work in microanalysis (electron microprobe) labs in Russia in the 80s and early 90s, for months at a time; nearly for a whole year once.
So what I assume to know about Russia isn't just western media rehash.
I don't have time to reply as I want to now, so I'm just letting you know I'll honor your post as soon as I get a chance to write an honest reply, in a short while.