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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on April 15, 2007, 11:09:23 PM
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would like to get a census from all who are contributing art to Aces High II especially superfly and waffle but would like to hear everyones(skinners and terrain tile artists etc) settings for when they create art and also when they view it online in Aces High if they use 1.0 gamma in the game settings (the actual AH2 graphics setup gamma) and if they use altered video card settings as well.
I think we are not all on the same page with the textures we are creating for this game. it seems across the board everyone making skins or terrains is using boosted gamma and changes to their vid card etc etc etc to the point that if you look at the skins in the game lot of them look too bright or too dark.. etc. etc. there is no standard at all.
I would be most thankful to have info on what in game aces high gamma setting HTC uses.
I have always since the begining of AH2 used 1.0 gamma exclusively when making art or skins and used standard unaltered setting on my video card for it because I felt using standard settings was preferable when making the art. my monitor is a high end 21" sony CRT with color correction sysytems and utilities built into the monitor so maybe the guys with lcd screens are seeing somthing different but I digress.
cheers
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Originally posted by Citabria
I think we are not all on the same page with the textures we are creating for this game. it seems across the board everyone making skins or terrains is using boosted gamma and changes to their vid card etc etc etc to the point that if you look at the skins in the game lot of them look too bright or too dakr etc etc there is no standard at all.
Desktop, 1.0. Ingame, it varies.
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what do you use to open the skin files? Is there a plug in for photo shop or some skin viewer?
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I always use 1.0 during "the day". "Dawn and Dusk" around 1.33-1.47. I have always done this with either previous CRT's and the current 19" LG LCD.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I always use 1.0 during "the day". "Dawn and Dusk" around 1.33-1.47. I have always done this with either previous CRT's and the current 19" LG LCD.
Please direct me to your skins or a map you made?
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Originally posted by Bingolong
Please direct me to your skins or a map you made?
I was referring to gameplay. I have NEVER had a "Gamma related issue" dealing DIRECTLY with any Map. Only the "ambient time of day" has ever caused me to change gamma.
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I dont know jack about jack when it comes to skinning or creating tiles.
Hell I havent even managed to photoshop anything yet LOL
All I know is what I see. If it looks good or bad or is missing something in the finished product.
Probably most of the peopel here are the same way but thats besides the point I'm about to make.
It would seem to me that if your going to do either it would make the most sense to do them at defgault settings as its probably a good guess that most people dont mess around with their monitor or video card settings.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I was referring to gameplay. I have NEVER had a "Gamma related issue" dealing DIRECTLY with any Map. Only the "ambient time of day" has ever caused me to change gamma.
I was refering to the question. I know your not Waffle or Super. Just felt like posting? He asked for skinners and map makers. I cant find yours.
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I use 1.0 gamma and factroy defaults on my monitor. Color setting 9300K 75 brightness and 70 contrast.
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I was refering to the question. I know your not Waffle or Super. Just felt like posting? He asked for skinners and map makers. I cant find yours.
boy I sure am glad we got Bingo here to help police this thread, Oh my what would we ever do. And to think anybody could just come along and post here, :aok
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Originally posted by Airscrew
boy I sure am glad we got Bingo here to help police this thread, Oh my what would we ever do. And to think anybody could just come along and post here, :aok
Who is bingolong and where are his skins/maps? BTW air get outa here you cant post here!:p
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Originally posted by Larry
Who is bingolong and where are his skins/maps? BTW air get outa here you cant post here!:p
I am just glad we have nice people like you to donate their time and make nice skins for us thanks :)
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You being series or sarcastic I can't tell?
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I don’t think gamma is having an impact on skins looking too bright or too dark in the game. The only things gamma and monitor/video card settings are going to change is the colors. What one person sees as red on their monitor may look pink or purple to someone else. When making skins, you have to balance the colors used on the skin – light green vs. dark green for example – with the setting in the material.txt file so the skin looks "natural" when viewed in the game. (And check your skins at night because I have seen a skin in the game that actually glows in the dark!) If the gamma impacts the skins and the terrains the same, then a skin that looks "natural" in brightness at one gamma setting should look "natural" at all gamma settings.
When I was making skins, I took my cues from the terrain tiles to determine sun strength and the amount of light reflection to set the skin’s brightness. With these new darker tiles, the terrain looks as if it is overcast or cloudy – no sun shine – in the immediate area but sunny in the distance. I know with my skins they don’t look "natural" any longer because they look like they are in full sun with too much light reflecting up on the undersides. Changing the gamma won’t – or shouldn’t – make a difference.
What you have to do is come up with a common definition for "natural." And with this community, that shouldn’t be any problem at all. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Larry
You being series or sarcastic I can't tell?
No one is series. We are all pilots.
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I've never altered my desktop video settings beyond changing resolution and refresh rate. In game gamma is set to 1.2. This is on a Mitubishi 2070 CRT monitor.
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I was refering to the question. I know your not Waffle or Super. Just felt like posting? He asked for skinners and map makers. I cant find yours.
You act like I care what YOU think. Move along shadesboi.
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Gamma always been set to 1.0 .
Noticed in latest 'patch/version/whatever' the upper wings now seem a little washed out.
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Do monitor types have a bearing on this?
The game looks a tad dark on my LCD (which usually
runs bright) and very dark on my CRT monitor at
work.
Just wondering....
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Do monitor types have a bearing on this?
The game looks a tad dark on my LCD (which usually
runs bright) and very dark on my CRT monitor at
work.
Just wondering....
Yep. What matters is, in the end, your total display gamma, which is the gamma of your monitor, the gamma of your graphics card, any gamma adjustments your OS does, any gamma adjustments the game does, etc., all convolved together.
There are calibration tools to find out what your total display gamma is.
The standard display gamma for Internet sRGB color space is 2.2. If everyone set to that standard, then art that I create on my monitor will look the same to you when you display it on your system. If, on the other hand, I'm creating art with a system with gammas set very differently so that display gamma is much different from 2.2, and it looks good to me, it will probably look odd to you, as our display gammas do not agree.
CRT systems (with a good CRT) typically have a display gamma of 2.2 with your graphics card gamma adjustment set at 1.0. LCD's can be very different from that.
Note that "gamma" in your game or graphics card settings is not the same as "display gamma". "gamma" for your graphics card is really a gamma adjustment, on top of what all the other gammas are.
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Do monitor types have a bearing on this?
The game looks a tad dark on my LCD (which usually
runs bright) and very dark on my CRT monitor at
work.
Just wondering....
Why all the discussion with Gamma settings and temperatures, etc? The terrain is TOO dark! Show me ONE place in ANY AH forum where darkness has been talked to death prior to the latest patch.
HTC, would you please just lighten up the terrain???
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Originally posted by redneb
Why all the discussion with Gamma settings and temperatures, etc? The terrain is TOO dark! Show me ONE place in ANY AH forum where darkness has been talked to death prior to the latest patch.
HTC, would you please just lighten up the terrain???
I'm looking for a fix to come soon since it's so obvious that it's too dark. A couple days of beta testing would have/should have caught this.