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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAS_KID on April 16, 2007, 09:48:08 AM
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See set title for question for your posts to relate to.
Have a nice day.
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your title implies that I'm not still learning.
:)
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I still didnt know ACM:cry
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two weeks...
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Always learning ACM :D
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You would you define the point at which someone has learned ACM?
I'm still learning...
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Almost have the Head On shot down;)
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Started this stuff in 1992 on AW DOS. I'm still learning ACM. Hell I'm lucky I can even spell it. :confused:
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I've always done what seemed to make sense to me to do at any given time.
It wasnt untill sometime later that I leanred there were actual names for some of the things I do LOL
I've gottent o be ok at ACM. Just picked up a copy of Shaw that Im going through so Im hoping ot get to be better then OK.
I think ACM is a continual learning proccess. That you can never quite master in the absolute as there are too many variables.
I would venture to say that nobody ever has perfect ACM mastery at all times. Again. too many variables
And there is always room to improve
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it took about a month for me to kill enough goblins to level up.
oh wait,
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From my experience it takes a year of daily practice with competent teachers to become proficient at understanding and applying the body of knowledge that is considered by most sources to be the most commonly used tactics and maneuvers in air combat online.
Very few EVER put that effort into it. Most people know a little. Many know how to fly their specific model to its strengths.
I've seen guys fly online for 10 years and never get past simple concepts and attacks.
It takes a concerted planned effort to become really good but that skill is only marginally useful in the arena if landing your sortie is the measurement of success.
Landing requires a mental aspect that runs counter to the premise of the game, getting into a fight and having fun.
The biggest obstacle to getter better is blaming someone other than yourself for getting killed. Once you can admit you died because you screwed the pooch you will automatically start trying to figure out where you pooched it.
After you can admit failure is your fault find someone who really knows how to teach and get them to walk you through the material.
It really isnt a lot of stuff. It IS a lot of practice to get good at it.
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It took about two years for me to get on the level of the top 50 best fighter pilots in AH. I didn't consciously study ACM, I just saw what worked and what didn't. Things would have progressed much faster if I had picked up a book on fighter combat.
But that being said, I was a very good pilot. The AH pilot that I had the most trouble defeating was Shane. I think hes probably the best, ACM wise. There was also this guy who was some kind of P-47 fanatic, he gave me alot of trouble too.
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Oh....and if you don't practice regularly your skills will deteriorate pretty rapidly.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
It took about two years for me to get on the level of the top 50 best fighter pilots in AH.
Unfortunately being in the top 50 in AH does not mean you know ACM... Not saying you don't, all I am saying is, its no way to measure your knowledge of ACM.
I've read Shaw's book a few times, I do ok in the arenas though low and slow I'll die 4 out of 5 times.
There is one thing more important than all the ACM stuff and that is Situational Awareness.
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I'd have to agree with those that say they're still learning. Think of it as you're starting off as sort of like putting together a picture puzzle without any of the pieces. As you learn you start accumulating pieces to the puzzle and in time you'll have some sections that look like something.
I don't think anyone's puzzle is finished at any time. There's so much to learn about the strengths and weaknesses of each plane and how they relate to each other. So many different variables insofar as the situation you might be in from minute to minute. All of this would dictate what you should or shouldn't do anyway and that's a constantly changing thing. The ability to track and understand what's going on around you (aka Situational Awareness or "SA") is the single most important thing you can learn and that will only come from flying--a lot.
Knowing which maneuvers to do in what plane and when comes with experience. I started over in AW in the mid 90's and it took me probably over a year of constantly getting clubbed in the head and spending time with trainers before I could even defend myself fairly well! I like to think I've progressed somewhat but my total lack of stick time in recent months is killin me. It was rough going in the early days but I was still havin a blast.
Hang in there, film your fights, watch the films, ask questions (pay no attention to the doofuses that tell you to "alt+F4") and eventually you'll be able to recognize what you're doing right or wrong in your films. From there you'll be able to transfer that knowledge into staying alive and from there to being more of a kill-er than a kill-ee.
The short of it is there's no easy road to learning how to do this. That's what attracted me to it actually.
Good luck.
Drano
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Learn, practice, learn, practice...
It never ends. It's great when you have a few good teachers. That's invaluable. Then you must practice and apply,...get shot down, contemplate it, learn from it, and practice some more...
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What's acm?
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I know of course the basic ACM moves but I haven't studied any ACM techniques. I for the most part let my plane do the talking, by doing what it seems to be able to do at a given situation or by what I think I can do given my E and what my target is.
My weak spot is defensive flying I can almost always get on someone's six but I have a hard time getting someone whom is good off my six (assuming planes are equal or close to it)
Personally I think ACM is something you never stop learning.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What's acm?
ACM=LA7:D
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Takes about an hour to read a learn about ACM, it takes years of practice and fighting to get decent in using and applying ACM to winning fights.
If you think you are hot cheese ask yourself...
1) What am I flying?
2) Where am I flying?
3) How am I flying?
If you are always flying the easy planes into easy conditions then you may think you learned ACM, but you are just practicing what every noob can do.
If you find yourself taking easy planes into overwhelming odds then you are practicing at getting better.
If you are taking hard planes into bad odds and winning then you have arrived and are actually applying what you have learned about ACM. :aok
Ohh and if you are over 8k and fighting planes below 8k then you are just safety dancing and not much ACM is involved in BnZ LOLH.
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A few months to get to the point where I really understood how geometry and timing worked together.
Add gunnery and situational awareness, and you'll still be learning a long time from now.
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about 18 months doing it mostly on my own in AW3 on gamestorm. the best tip at the time concerned internet lag and "timing." played this from '98 til before it died in whenever, then went to AH.
then about another 6 months to learn how to deal with the HO in AH1...
how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.
never read shaw (or other dogfighting stuff), but have caught snippets of it here and there and saw explanations for stuff i was already doing.
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Originally posted by Shane
how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.
and some are just naturally gifted........
Me? I am still learning, and relearning things I somehow forgot I learnt.......
Shane, do you still fly, been long time since I seen you up in the arenas.....
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I don't ACM I HO!
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Originally posted by SKurj
There is one thing more important than all the ACM stuff and that is Situational Awareness.
Word.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Shane, do you still fly, been long time since I seen you up in the arenas.....
nope.. haven't flown in quite some time now.. mostly due to my joystick getting ready to fritz and being semi-irreplaceable, plus just a general burnout.
maybe one day....
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All SA without ACM gets you is a good picture of the guy that killed you. :aok
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Originally posted by Shane
about 18 months doing it mostly on my own in AW3 on gamestorm. the best tip at the time concerned internet lag and "timing." played this from '98 til before it died in whenever, then went to AH.
then about another 6 months to learn how to deal with the HO in AH1...
how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.
never read shaw (or other dogfighting stuff), but have caught snippets of it here and there and saw explanations for stuff i was already doing.
Ahh Shane. Master of the forced overshoot ;)
Where you been theze days?
Dont see you up anymore?
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THE best ACM wise I've faced is probably Erebus
Or howevers its spelled.
I've seen that guy turn a plane on a dime and give ya 9 cents change
Dont see much of him anymore either
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i was a nut from day one always taking more than i could handle...i learned well enuff to be better than most but most of the Elite stix can handle me pretty easily...DA pratice is a must but I find it totally dry and boring so Ive found a comfort zone and pretty much stick with basic ACM"s ....Which means I do ok because most cant even master the simple ones....id say 6 months to a year is standard for most to become proficient...
I have seen that most of the great stix in the game have also migrated to the back of the pack mentality and are rarely if ever alone...kinda sad
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What's acm?
ACM stands for Air Combat Maneuvering, but what it means is often confused. It is one of three things that are equally important if you want to learn how to be good in virtual air combat.
The three things are AHC, BFM and ACM. The normal definitions used for those three things are:
AHC Aircraft Handling Characteristics; training designed to gain proficiency in and to exploit the flight envelope of the aircraft, consistent with operational and safety constraints. This is as important in Aces High as it is in the real world, you need to know the characteristics of your aircraft or someone who does will beat you. This is something you can do while flying without an opponent. Since there are no other aircraft involved at this stage, your situational awareness only requires you to be able to focus on your aircraft handling and avoid contact with the terrain.
BFM Basic Fighter Maneuvers; training designed to apply aircraft handling skills to gain proficiency in recognizing and solving range, closure, aspect, angle off, and turning room problems in relation to another aircraft to either attain a position from which weapons may be employed, deny the adversary a position from which weapons may be employed, or defeat weapons employed by the adversary. These techniques and skills can be developed in one versus one engagements with a trainer in the training arena or in the duelling arena with a friend. You can do it in the main arenas but it is rare to get an uninterrupted one versus one engagement. There is a quantum leap in situational awareness because you now need to remain conscious of your aircraft handling, the terrain and the other aircraft. Which leads us to what happens when you choose to co-operate with a wingman...
ACM Air combat maneuvering; training designed to achieve proficiency in element formation maneuvering and the coordinated application of BFM to achieve a kill or effectively defend against one or more aircraft from a preplanned starting position. Now the situational awareness factor begins to dominate, because along with everything else there are other maneuvering aircraft that need to be held in your mental image of the combat situation. The good news is that as you get better and better and AHC and BFM they require less and less mental effort so that you can give more and more attention to what is happening around you. That's why the better pilots have such good situational awareness, they don't actually need to think about the other things, they have done it so often that appropriate responses come naturally. Probably the last skill that comes is the ability to do all of that, and communicate effectively with a wingman at the same time, something that is essential for good ACM.
So, after all that, the short definition is that when you fly without an opponent that's AHC, when you engage in a one versus one fight then you are flying BFM and when you work with one or more wingmen that's ACM.
The real difficulty learning those things in any of the main arenas is that while you may be struggling to master BFM, you are being killed by people who can already do that and are working against you with one or more wingmen. So my advice would be to spend as much time in the training arena as you can, get help from trainers, and if they aren't around do as much 1 v 1 as you can. The Duelling Arena can be used to hone your skills, and sharpen your reactions. Lastly, make some friends in the game and practice with them as much as you can, fly a lot and talk about it a lot. Read as much as you can and ask lots of questions and you should find yourself improving at a satisfactory rate depending on the amount of effort and commitment you put into it. The good news is that there is a wealth of expert help available on these boards that you can tap into.
I've been doing this since about 1989 and I'm always trying to improve, after all, it is more fun when you can actually win the occasional fight, but I still haven't gotten to where I want to be. I don't care how long it takes, because every moment of the journey is fun. When you win a fight, that feels good. When you lose a fight, it only means something just happened that you can learn from, and that feels good too! It's a win win situation. So, enjoy the journey, and try not to worry how long it will take.
Badboy
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I started flying back in the mid 90's in AW. I flew for about 6 months trying to figure ACM and SA out and looking for people willing and capable to share their understanding of it with me.
I found a few people, namely LLAMA. He was the first I encountered that was willing to share what he knew. I spent hours on end practicing ACM under his toutering. After about another 6 months of hard work and really looking at how I flew what I flew and when/where I flew it with respect to the results I really started to improve. I really began landing kills then. Thanks to hard honest looks at myself and to players like LLAMA.
Then I started to really work on using this knowledge to do something in the game. Like to take/defend bases, sink CV's, etc... This is when I encountered ROBO. By this time I had been invited to join VF-63 Hellcats who flew Big Pac with the B's. IMHO ROBO was one of the Grand Masters of the Offensive ACM. This guy would would turn any situation into the offense perspective no matter how many were on him. This guy would dogfight in a A26 and kill everybody. This is where I learned how to fly into a crowd of 3 or 4 enemy and kill them all and survive. After about another year I found I was regularly within at least the top 200 and often within the top 100 flyers. However as others have rightly pointed out, your particular ranking in the crowd is not always accurate as to the measure of your abilities nor your understanding or ACM or SA.
Well I flew AW until its demise then retired my stick. My professional carreer and family took all I had to give. Well things have change in my life and I once again find the opportunity to fly. Only now it is in AHII. IMHO this is a much better game than AW was. All those years of not flying have taken a serious toll on my ability. I am having to learn all over again from scratch. However I have found a lot of people here willing to work with me and help me learn again.
But the bottom line is as many have posted, if you want to improve you have to really look at yourself harshly. You have to be willing to admit you dont know crap and that you suck at hitting anything but the ground. Once you have accepted those basic truths then you can begin. And you better learn to like having your tail shot off a lot. You better get over worrying about your score or ranking, cause they dont mean squat if you really want to improve. You better learn how to size other players up and and divide them into two groups, those that get it and those that dont. Cause if you listen to the REAL dweebs that dont get it you aint goin anywhere but down. The ones that get it will be those that dont talk much on the vox about what they did or how they did it. They just do it and keep looking deep into themselves and pullin out pearls of knowledge where ever they can find them.
As for me, if I dont think I learned something every single time I up, I figure I was a dummy and wasnt paying attention and I need to go right back and do it again and figure something out. Cause you can never know it all.
I flew as 8ball then 8BAL through my AW years. I see the names LLAMA and ROBO in AHII but I dont know if you are the same guys I flew with in AW. If you are, please drop me a note. Would like to hear from you guys.
Later,
KayBay
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I hope you have it strait now Hub LOLH
Good write up BB
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badboy, the ace among the aces
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Question: "How long did it take you to learn ACM?"
Answer: Who says I did? When you catch up to the person who claimed I did you have my permission to call them a liar.
:rofl
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I never learned acm. Never read any real books on it. I saw movies of guys looping and rolling. Have had many video games that included basic ones in the manuals back when games provided such things.
What I do is basically reaction to what another pilot does and his position vs mine. Timing is key, and being able to react with your stick, to put your plane where you want it, simply by using the views and not getting confused.
As far as the actual moves and names, I probably do many of them, but have no clue as their titles, or proper techniques.
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I was built with ACMs!
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Originally posted by Badboy
ACM stands for Air Combat Maneuvering, but what it means is often confused. It is one of three things that are equally important if you want to learn how to be good in virtual air combat.
The three things are AHC, BFM and ACM. The normal definitions used for those three things are:
AHC Aircraft Handling Characteristics; training designed to gain proficiency in and to exploit the flight envelope of the aircraft, consistent with operational and safety constraints. This is as important in Aces High as it is in the real world, you need to know the characteristics of your aircraft or someone who does will beat you. This is something you can do while flying without an opponent. Since there are no other aircraft involved at this stage, your situational awareness only requires you to be able to focus on your aircraft handling and avoid contact with the terrain.
BFM Basic Fighter Maneuvers; training designed to apply aircraft handling skills to gain proficiency in recognizing and solving range, closure, aspect, angle off, and turning room problems in relation to another aircraft to either attain a position from which weapons may be employed, deny the adversary a position from which weapons may be employed, or defeat weapons employed by the adversary. These techniques and skills can be developed in one versus one engagements with a trainer in the training arena or in the duelling arena with a friend. You can do it in the main arenas but it is rare to get an uninterrupted one versus one engagement. There is a quantum leap in situational awareness because you now need to remain conscious of your aircraft handling, the terrain and the other aircraft. Which leads us to what happens when you choose to co-operate with a wingman...
ACM Air combat maneuvering; training designed to achieve proficiency in element formation maneuvering and the coordinated application of BFM to achieve a kill or effectively defend against one or more aircraft from a preplanned starting position. Now the situational awareness factor begins to dominate, because along with everything else there are other maneuvering aircraft that need to be held in your mental image of the combat situation. The good news is that as you get better and better and AHC and BFM they require less and less mental effort so that you can give more and more attention to what is happening around you. That's why the better pilots have such good situational awareness, they don't actually need to think about the other things, they have done it so often that appropriate responses come naturally. Probably the last skill that comes is the ability to do all of that, and communicate effectively with a wingman at the same time, something that is essential for good ACM.
So, after all that, the short definition is that when you fly without an opponent that's AHC, when you engage in a one versus one fight then you are flying BFM and when you work with one or more wingmen that's ACM.
The real difficulty learning those things in any of the main arenas is that while you may be struggling to master BFM, you are being killed by people who can already do that and are working against you with one or more wingmen. So my advice would be to spend as much time in the training arena as you can, get help from trainers, and if they aren't around do as much 1 v 1 as you can. The Duelling Arena can be used to hone your skills, and sharpen your reactions. Lastly, make some friends in the game and practice with them as much as you can, fly a lot and talk about it a lot. Read as much as you can and ask lots of questions and you should find yourself improving at a satisfactory rate depending on the amount of effort and commitment you put into it. The good news is that there is a wealth of expert help available on these boards that you can tap into.
I've been doing this since about 1989 and I'm always trying to improve, after all, it is more fun when you can actually win the occasional fight, but I still haven't gotten to where I want to be. I don't care how long it takes, because every moment of the journey is fun. When you win a fight, that feels good. When you lose a fight, it only means something just happened that you can learn from, and that feels good too! It's a win win situation. So, enjoy the journey, and try not to worry how long it will take.
Badboy
holy crap that sounds hard! think i'll just stay in a pack and HO ppl.
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ACM Aircraft Can Manouver? :D
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Aerial Clitoral Manipulation?:p
That's flying with my wife in my lap.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What's acm?
the machine where you go to get cash when you need man love.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What's acm?
something Al Gore invented just after to inventing the internet and just prior to inventing global warming :D
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This is a very interesting thread.
For those who don't know, SAS_KID is pretty good stick. Good enough to challenge many held in high regard, and a fast learner to boot.
Badboy's explanation is excellent.
You must know your airplane. Most think they know their rides, but in reality, they probably have never learned to fly it at the limit in all axes (that's the plural derivative of axis). Being able to extract every last bit of performance out of your plane is essential. Some people think they are at the limit, but in fact, are a long way from that point. As an example, learning the proper and effective use of rudder is something many players can benefit from.
You would be surprised how often I find this to be the case with long-time vets. A typical example occurred recently while assisting some players with wingman tactics. This gentleman was dismayed to find my P-38G easily out-turning his F4U. I could start with him on my six in a level turn on the deck. Within 3 turns around the circle, I was on his six. What I discovered was that he suffered from a fundamental misunderstanding on how to obtain the tightest possible turn radius. A few minutes of discussion and flying and he was able to make the required adjustment. This guy is pretty good stick and will eventually be among the top tier if he keeps working at it.
E management falls under this category. Again, this is essential. When flying a less powerful or heavy-weight fighter, skills at E management pay huge dividends.
Last evening I had the opportunity to demonstrate E management to a long-time vet. He was flying a P-51D and I was flying a P-47D-25. We were both on the deck. He was unable to get away from the Jug. I'd always carry more speed out of maneuvers than his Mustang. He would then go vertical and the Jug, which doesn't climb as well, would chase him down and pass him in the vertical. Conserving energy and exploiting the Jug's great weight made the difference. Every time I fly in the TA, I practice E management. Practice it enough and it becomes habit.
In short, conserving E is merely learning not to pull more G than is necessary. Easy on the controls, be gentle, don't load the aircraft more than needed to maintain position behind the enemy's 3/9 line (an imaginary line extending from wing tip to wing tip). Against a fighter with superior vertical performance, careful E management can neutralize that advantage.
My advice to all players, from beginners to ancient vets, is to practice frequently. Not in the MA, but in the DA or TA. Frankly, the TA is better IMHO. There are no interruptions to re-plane. You fight until ammo or gas is expended, or one pilot augers. Dueling goes a long way to learning the absolute limits of your aircraft, as well as your own limits. There are some extraordinary duelists flying Aces High. I have probably dueled most if not all of them. It is a challenge and great fun. These are not always contests to determine top dog, but are often just opportunities for the fun and friendship. Typically, many of the guys with the best fighter scores would be hard pressed to survive 30 seconds with these gents 1v1. Should you merge with pilot who reverses so fast you can't believe it.... Run, this is a guy not to be trifled with.
I remember my first encounter with Leviathn about 6 years ago. He passed by on my left, and while I pondered my options for just an instant, he had already reversed! I pushed the nose over and ran like any other school girl would. I remember thinking, "That was impossible!"
However, the MA is seldom a 1v1 encounter. Thus, the need to learn to fight as a team. Nothing is more deadly than a well coordinated team, be it two-man or more. The very best that I have ever seen would be Drex and Leviathn, followed by Leviathn and NathBDP. Drex and Eagl were another pair who won the wingman tournament at one of the Aces High Conventions. Individually, these guys were at the top of the food chain. Paired up, they were hell on wings.
We have been holding wingman training in the TA every other Thursday night at 9 PM Eastern. The next meeting is this Thursday (4/19). I expect that Mace will be the lead instructor. Mace is a Trainer and a Graduate of the Navy's Top Gun school, as well as a graduate of the Navy Test Pilot School. You can learn a lot from Mace.
Every flight can be a learning experience. There is always something to be discovered, something you missed before or never realized. If I come to a day when I'm not learning, it's because I'm dead.
My philosophy in a nutshell: Attack, attack, attack. Always look for an opportunity to attack. Always fly to the enemy. Always strive to place your nose on the enemy. Your goal is not survival, but to kill the enemy, which in itself, ensures your survival.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by storch
the machine where you go to get cash when you need man love.
ACMway !!
:D
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Mace is a Trainer and a Graduate of the Navy's Top Gun school, as well as a graduate of the Navy Test Pilot School. You can learn a lot from Mace.
Mace is an impressive pilot. I think I might sit in on some of his training. I never wanted to bother him even though we were/are in the same squad; now that he's a trainer he asked for it :lol
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Originally posted by Widewing
My philosophy in a nutshell: Attack, attack, attack. Always look for an opportunity to attack. Always fly to the enemy. Always strive to place your nose on the enemy. Your goal is not survival, but to kill the enemy, which in itself, ensures your survival.
Everyone who wants to be as good as they can read this paragraph. Then read it again, this is the key, its a mindset and it is what REALLY sets the great sticks apart from everyone else and its far more important than mastering this maneuver or that maneuver.
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So far, I've only learned three moves, the cherry pick, a really poor BnZ, and HO and run. But I'm working on it.
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Originally posted by Widewing
My philosophy in a nutshell: Attack, attack, attack. Always look for an opportunity to attack. Always fly to the enemy. Always strive to place your nose on the enemy. Your goal is not survival, but to kill the enemy, which in itself, ensures your survival.
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Iagree with Grits, wide said it all!!!!:aok
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Originally posted by Widewing:
My philosophy in a nutshell: Attack, attack, attack. Always look for an opportunity to attack. Always fly to the enemy. Always strive to place your nose on the enemy. Your goal is not survival, but to kill the enemy, which in itself, ensures your survival.
Originally posted by Grits:
Everyone who wants to be as good as they can read this paragraph. Then read it again, this is the key, its a mindset and it is what REALLY sets the great sticks apart from everyone else and its far more important than mastering this maneuver or that maneuver.
That's it in a nut shell!!! Very well put as usual gents!
BTW - The aim bot formerly know as Leviathn and anomaly once refered to as Drex are nothing but AH lore. Like fairys and dwarfs and cheese.
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widewing, kaybay, and badboys, posts should be stickied in the help and training forum.
gents
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Originally posted by mars01
BTW - The aim bot formerly know as Leviathn and anomaly once refered to as Drex are nothing but AH lore. Like fairys and dwarfs and cheese.
I really miss these guys. They were a great source of pure hysterics. Drex in his F6F and Leviathn in his SpitV, they would wade into a horde and 10 minutes later land a dozen kills each. Ah... the good old days of AH1....
My regards,
Widewing
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For those who don't know, SAS_KID is pretty good stick. Good enough to challenge many held in high regard, and a fast learner to boot.
He's a marked man now;)
Best tip I ever got (from reading on the internet) was to get separation for the merge, facillitating the lead turn. Quantum leap in my success ratio at the time. Since most of the great unwashed in the MA are always trying to put their nose on you, very often for the HO, the classic move is to dive under them on the merge and lead turn them vertically. Nothing like the "Gravity Assist" (AKA free G) to get the edge. With any luck the Spit hits the fan on the 1st turn :D
Best advice I got for E management was to use pure and lag pursuit and let the other guy burn his E pulling on the stick.
Best SA advice you can give is short and sweet - Check your Six...often. I mean like every other click of the hatswitch if your in a furball. The MA is alot like society in regard to this. You get a few charitable Six Calls from your countrymen and begin to think they owe it to ya, then cry like a baby when you don't get one :furious
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about an hour before i was able to figure out how to get my plnae in the air. does that count as an ACM?
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well, I've always been of the opinion that most ACM is done purely by instinct, in trying to save yourself and/or get your nose on to the opponent, you pull moves that may or may not have been done by others (A particular favorite mine is the hammerhead)
also, many maneuvers are invented purely on the spot to save your butt
(aka, the Mako spin, which involves all kinds of fancy stick moves to keep someone right behind you from getting a shot, usually called by dweebs stick-stirring)
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An eternity I guess. I've been playing since 1991 and can still only dive and climb, but I'm not a smart man...
Zazen
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IMO you're never completely done learning acm. There's always ways to refine and adjust ones fighting style to become more efficient.
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for a minute I thought someone had dug up an old thread.............is Morpheus back? We are in desperate need of new victims! hee hee
Mark
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I suck, you won't learn a thing from me.
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Best advise i can give: good internet connection, good computer, but them agian mine suck, me suck too.
:p
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Originally posted by Widewing
My philosophy in a nutshell: Attack, attack, attack. Always look for an opportunity to attack. Always fly to the enemy. Always strive to place your nose on the enemy. Your goal is not survival, but to kill the enemy, which in itself, ensures your survival.
Absolutely spot on. 95% of the people you meet in the MA are just looking to survive, not to kill. If you always press the attack, even with limited knowledge of acm, you'll come out on top almost every time. Plus, you might start learning a thing or two.
Hyper-aggressive is the only way to fly.
:)
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How long did it take you to learn ACM?
You asking about "That pilot cheese?"
Still learning alot yet . Glad this type of game has so much to master as I figure I got the rest of my life to learn it all :D and that's a good thing .
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I learn everyday!
Oz
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One moment I remember was when I was fighting in the TA with someone. He was a good stick. After I had won the fight. He asked me to teach him ACM's. Considering we were doing every single type of ACM possible it seemed right in the fight it bewildered me. So I asked him if he was joking and he said no. It turned out he was just doing what he thought made sense to do in the situation without ever knowing he was performing ACM's.
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ACM = Running? :D
all
~VansCrew~
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See Rule #10
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and to think that it only took you 4 1/2 years to reply to this thread. need a necro bump pic here.
semp
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I don't see what's so bad about it, but then I'm not a forum warrior nor did I ever aspire to be. :)
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Sounds like he's not happy you looked for an interesting topic to reply to.
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In a real plane or simulated?
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Air Craft Mangling? Took me about 5 seconds to learn how to do that :devil
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After a year of playing I could keep my k/d above 2.0 in the MA. Been here 3yrs.. I still find I'm doing a bunch of stuff wrong.
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Looks like there has been a disruption in the time space contINuum.
Skuzzy will not be pleased
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I've been playing for 6 years, and I just recently started to get "wow man, you're really good in that 109" or "great fight sir, you're a tough one to beat" comments.
My KTD sucks, but thats because I did a lot of tacticly questionable things in the name of fun.
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lulz just noticed that. :lol
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After a year of playing I could keep my k/d above 2.0 in the MA. Been here 3yrs.. I still find I'm doing a bunch of stuff wrong.
Amen Krup right there with you...maybe one day need a new comp FR part of problem flying the other lol