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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on April 16, 2007, 04:42:43 PM
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According to news reports just released, after the first shooting earlier this morning, where two people were killed and the killer was still on the loose, whereabouts unknown.....the Virginia Tech authorities did NOT close down the campus. :O For at least two hours.
One report states that they were concerned about the students missing classes.....
Unfreaking believable. Gross incompetence of stupendous proportions.
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I suggest not jumping to any conclusions or trying to assign blame until the facts come out.
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Odd how the "news reporters" seem to already know ALL the facts about the first shooting, even though NO law enforcement agency has released ANY details, about the first shooting, other than two victims were transported and later died.
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Dago....this isn't rumor. Students being interviewed have stated that after the first shooting they were told by police and campus security to go on to class.
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I wouldn’t have assumed that a homicide would lead to this. There are hundreds or thousands of murders a year; once the bad guy leaves how often does it blow up into something like this? How do you secure a campus of 26,000 with classes already in session, students in transit? It’s not like this is a single building high school. I don’t think its time to blame the police of school. People are so knowing when they have hindsight…
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eskimo....do you honestly think they couldn't have evacuated the campus in a two hour time span? If nothing else they could have confined the students to their dorms and posted guards everywhere.
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Sad because you are worried about students missing one day... tell that to the parents who will never again be able to send there kids to school again....
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Tell me EXACTLY how you would know, IN ADVANCE, that two people found shot, will always and immediately result in and be related to a large scale attack in the immediate future.
From the view point of having been on the job before, I can tell you that if you find two people shot, you do not often know at that point what happened or what will happen next. So, exactly how do you decide whether to shut down the entire surrounding area?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I wouldn’t have assumed that a homicide would lead to this. There are hundreds or thousands of murders a year; once the bad guy leaves how often does it blow up into something like this? How do you secure a campus of 26,000 with classes already in session, students in transit? It’s not like this is a single building high school. I don’t think its time to blame the police of school. People are so knowing when they have hindsight…
Amen. Especially when less than half of the facts are known, and FAR less than that are known by the press and the general public.
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A college campus is more like a town...in fact, bigger than most "towns". I can't imagine shutting down a town of 25,000 just b/c there's a shooting on one side. On the other hand, I've been at a school where a 10-20% chance of snow gets the entire school district shut down. It's a tough judgement call...but with very serious consequences. I think in the future, universities will err on the side of caution.
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This is definitely not a time to assign blame. There will be plenty of that flying around later.
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I think it's way to early to start tossing out accusations of blame.
I also don't think it is reasonable to shut down an entire university over one incident. How were the university police and administrators supposed to forsee that the shootings hadn't stopped? Just a guess here.....but they probably thought it was an isolated incident.
Now if the gunman had just kept shooting folks as he moved from one building to another, that would be different.
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This is just a supposition, but...
It's possible that campus police thought that the first 2 murders were isolated, that there was'nt gonna be a shooting spree, and that they're best chance to catch the shooter was to keep everyone on campus.
Because it happened on campus, you initially have 26,000 suspects.
And it takes time to narrow it down.
So, for what it's worth, until the next shootings, the campus PD was most likely thinking that the initial double homicide was the worst of it.That is, until the further shootings.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I wouldn’t have assumed that a homicide would lead to this. There are hundreds or thousands of murders a year; once the bad guy leaves how often does it blow up into something like this? How do you secure a campus of 26,000 with classes already in session, students in transit? It’s not like this is a single building high school. I don’t think its time to blame the police of school. People are so knowing when they have hindsight…
This is the perfect post.
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With the numbers of people involved, this physical bloodbath with be followed by political, public relations, and talking-head bloodbaths. I suspect a non-binding resolution from Congress is on the horizon.
I can spot a lot of potential problems and issues, but I think it best to wait for some concise written reports to come out.
T.V. news is 99% t.v. 1% news. It will be media circus, and not everyone vying for time in front of a camera actually knows anything concrete. As t.v. news a a ratings game, they will be looking for whatever angle will work to keep viewers interested. The common practice of reporters feigning righteous indignation in whatever they report with a accusatory fashion has me suspect of anything they say.
It will take a lot of interviews with those that were there and cross referenced with others, in addition to recordings, photos, and other evidence to get a good picture of what exactly happened.
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Originally posted by devild0g
Sad because you are worried about students missing one day... tell that to the parents who will never again be able to send there kids to school again....
I’ll tell you what: the next time an event happens that could lead to a psycho going on a killing spree, you call it. Post on this BBS every time there’s a shooting, bomb threat or whatever; you post what city, campus, county or whatever should be locked down and for how long. No more after-the-fact stuff, you’ve got to call them all ASAP because before they happen you don’t know.
This was a tragic event, but what is reasonable?
New York City has the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States. There were 597 murders in NYC last year; how many days should it have been shut down? Note that we are looking at murder as only one indicator of a potential mass killing.
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I don't know about the rest of the guys, but I am ready to crown you Shuckins, "Monday morning QB of the week." You can't plan for stupid. There are plenty of stupid ppl on this planet. The staff at VT already have a though job ahead of them informing family members of the dead. What they do not need, are a bunch of reporters who don't know their elbows from their as-----'s telling the free world what they could have done to prevent this.
-Sp0t
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Originally posted by Shuckins
eskimo....do you honestly think they couldn't have evacuated the campus in a two hour time span? If nothing else they could have confined the students to their dorms and posted guards everywhere.
No way in hell they could. I'm sorry, too many intangibles. How many guards do they have, and would THEY be willing to get shot? Most are students themselves and would watermelon themselves if faced with this.
26,000 students, in cafeterias, classes, gyms, dorms, libraries, etc, and everywhere in between. Translation? A logistical nightmare.
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Originally posted by BBBB
I don't know about the rest of the guys, but I am ready to crown you Shuckins, "Monday morning QB of the week." You can't plan for stupid. There are plenty of stupid ppl on this planet. The staff at VT already have a though job ahead of them informing family members of the dead. What they do not need, are a bunch of reporters who don't know their elbows from their as-----'s telling the free world what they could have done to prevent this.
-Sp0t
I 2nd the "crowning".
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Originally posted by Shuckins
eskimo....do you honestly think they couldn't have evacuated the campus in a two hour time span? If nothing else they could have confined the students to their dorms and posted guards everywhere.
Asked why the campus, which has more than 26,000 students, was not shut down after the first shooting, Flinchum responded that police determined "it was an isolated event to that building and the decision was made not to cancel classes at that time."
Steger added, "We had some reason to believe the shooter had left campus."
That is why the campus wasn't closed after the 1st shooting.
ack-ack
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It may BE too early to jump to any conclusions, but interviewed students have stated that they were not informed of the first shooting until after the second shooting spree had ended.
I have two sons attending college. I would want them to KNOW about it....so they could make their OWN decisions about whether or not to remain on campus.
If you can close a campus because of bad weather you can damn well close it because of a shooting. At the very least, you can inform the students that there is a potentially dangerous situation on campus, cancel classes, and keep the kids in the dorms. I see no problem to losing a class day while erring on the side of caution.
It's not like this has never happened before.
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Instead of Monday morning quarterbacking this, I'd like to suggest a change going forward to learn from this and protect the students better in the future.
Specifically, I'd like to see campus rules and laws prohibiting people who have CCWs from carrying firearms repealed. I see that many colleges adopt 'No firearms allowed on campus' laws. If that was changed, a future incident might be averted earlier on by someone in the crowd.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
eskimo....do you honestly think they couldn't have evacuated the campus in a two hour time span? If nothing else they could have confined the students to their dorms and posted guards everywhere.
could they have?
Maybe
Should they have?
I dont think so.
2 kids are shot. Shooter still on the loose. While looking for a shooter do you really want thousands of other people mulling about?
Or would you rather get them all into isolated little groups in specific locations
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Originally posted by Shuckins
It may BE too early to jump to any conclusions....
It's not like this has never happened before.
Classy.
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Assumption, the mother of all.......................... ........................