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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on April 17, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
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What will the next airframe to be updated to AH2 standards be? It seems to me that all of the units thus far updated, other than the recent F4Us, have been CT oriented. That does leave out some of those that need the update most, such as the F6F-5, La-5FN/La-7 and N1K2-J, but there are some others that are appropriate for CT and waiting for their updates.
In alphabetic order:
A-20G/Boston Mk III: The A-20G saw service in nearly every place we fought in WWII. As such it would be a widely useful aircraft to update. The Boston Mk III isn't as usefull, but it is useful as an early war Allied bomber, if annoyingly fast.
B-26B Marauder: This is one of the original AH v1.0 aircraft and as such is one of the longest in the tooth so to speak. The B-26B also saw heavy service in Europe at the time of CT and is an American bomber, which fits the USAAF vs Luftwaffe setting very well.
Bf110C-4b and Bf110G-2: Bf110s were employed against American bombers in the timeframe that CT will be set in and would add a nice heavy fighter to the Luftwaffe's order of battle, even if, as one P-47 pilot put it, it is "meat on the table". This would also be a golden oportunity to replace the Bf110C-4b with a straight up Bf110C-4 so that we have a version appropriate to the Battle of Britain, not some "less than 25 built" early war wonder version.
C-47A: Another of the AH v1.0 units in need of updating and it also saw heavy American use in the European theater at the time CT is going to be set.
Ju88A-4: The first German bomber to be added to AH and one that saw service in many roles throughout the European war. Updating the Ju88A-4 would be good for Battle of Britain settings and offer the chance to add a Ju88C-4b or Ju88G-7b for use as a fighter in later periods.
Mosquito Mk VI: The Mossie 6 saw very heavy use from mid 1943 until the end of WWII. Updating this aircraft would off the oportunity to fix the bugs with it as well as adding other versions of this versatile aircraft such as the B.Mk IV for earlier use and the B.Mk XVI/PR.Mk XVI for later use. If PR missions are included in CT then the PR.Mk XVI would be useful as the USAAF employed it to track the weather and take before and after pictures of the targets hit by the 17s and 24s. Due to its speed it would take the before and after pictures on the same flight and the after pictures would be ready and waiting for the debrief once the big bombers got home.
Typhoon Mk Ib: One of the older aircraft in AH, but used only by the RAF. If the RAF will have a place in the initial version of CT, then a bit useful, other than that, not so much.
Long Shots:
A6M2/A6M5b Zero: Still looks relatively decent and is limited to Pacific Theater settings.
F6F-5 Hellcat: Needs an update badly, but it is almost completely limited to the Pacific Theater of operations.
La-5FN/La-7: Also in need of an update, but limited to the East Front in use.
Lancaster Mk III: Still looks reasonably decent even if new skins are practically impossible for it. Mainly used by the RAF for night missions, so not too much use in CT and as a heavy bomber it presents a massive amount of work to update.
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai: One of the AH v1.0 aircraft and in desparate need of a facelift, but limited to late war Pacific Theater settings.
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Its a good list Karnak. :aok
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Very well organized, and to the point.
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what are you 2 grading and english midterm?
i think you are asking if HTC is going to update airframes in according to thier CT relevance? the answer to that is yes. because it kills 2 birds with one stone. which i suspect had an important role in deciding which new ariframe we got to vote for. it seems to me that all the planes offered in the vote could play some role in CT were favored as oppose to a random IJN plane.
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I heard they stopped accepting skins for the LA7.... :noid
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missed out TA152! Would be usefull for the last days of the 8th AF over europe?
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Originally posted by Anyone
missed out TA152! Would be usefull for the last days of the 8th AF over europe?
I dont know why they didnt update the Ta152 when they did the 190s. I mean it is a 190 variant. Its like not doing the seafire when they did the spits.
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Originally posted by Larry
I dont know why they didnt update the Ta152 when they did the 190s. I mean it is a 190 variant. Its like not doing the seafire when they did the spits.
yeah i always wonderd why that happend...
kinda like the Chog.... although they did explain that one.
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Would also love to see the Ar234 redone. But thats most likely not ganna happen for a while.
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I would think the BF-110 would be close to next..if they are preparing planes to be used in the CT.
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What about Me262 or Me163?
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Me262 looks good with skins. Me163 you don't fly in it alot so no need for it to look good.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I heard they stopped accepting skins for the LA7.... :noid
Y'all missed my point. The LA7 doesn't have a full list of skins. Why would they stop accepting new LA7 skins? They also mentioned in passing they're upgrading an old airframe (was half expecting this with the Sherman, guess it'll be with the B-25).
There's a chance the LA7 is the next airframe re-done.
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La 5/7 is one of the most popular planes (to those that fly them ;)), so it does make sense.
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They might also remove the 3-gun option (or, like the c-hog, perk it eventually), adjust the flight model (as with every revamped plane) and make it a better reflection of the real aircraft.
Maybe :noid
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One thing about the older skins is that they use up more video memory. They have two or occasionally three 1024 by 1024 bmps for the outside artwork instead of just one for the new skins. So it makes sense for HTC to upgrade those aircraft that are most used in the MA first as this will reduce the video load most for those using older cards. Also it means that the overall look of the game is better (more good looking aircraft and less bad looking ones up in the arena).
We have had a lot of the USAAF and LW stuff upgraded for Combat Tour. But we have also had the Spits and F4Us redone recently, both popular planes. I would suggest looking at which are the most used MA rides to get an idea of which order the older stuff is going to be redone.
Incidentally, this is just my own opinion. I don't know what's going to be released next until the skinner team's asked to skin it.
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Imo the TA152 looks the worst right now so im hoping for an update of that one within the next couple of years.
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I like your realistic time frame :aok
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Originally posted by Karnak
Ju88A-4: The first German bomber to be added to AH and one that saw service in many roles throughout the European war. Updating the Ju88A-4 would be good for Battle of Britain settings and offer the chance to add a Ju88C-4b or Ju88G-7b for use as a fighter in later periods.
Ju-88G-7b most probably never even existed.
When it comes to updating old models I hope HTC would if possible change the old generic gauges to new ones for the old models while they wait for the complete facelift. That would do a lot to the planes like Me-262 which looks pretty good as it is but the gauges scream "generic". I really don't know how feasible that is from the workload point of view. If only the bitmaps need changing I think it would definately be worth doing.
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at about the typhoon!!!! at least update it's damage model so you dont lose engine oil EVERY time you take a ping in the nose:cry
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Imo the TA152 looks the worst right now so im hoping for an update of that one within the next couple of years.
With a look at it's flight model as well I'd hope.
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Originally posted by Stang
With a look at it's flight model as well I'd hope.
Yup
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If they are for CT -
110 - revamp and get rid of the ultra rare version
Hurri - revamp and add the Sea hurricane.
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Personally for me I would like the Mossie to be redone.
While they are at it they can fix the CoG bug as well:D
An option to remove the flame dampeners would be sweet as well:aok
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Originally posted by Kev367th
If they are for CT -
110 - revamp and get rid of the ultra rare version
Hurri - revamp and add the Sea hurricane.
ultra rare 110?
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The Bf110C-4b was "ultra rare". It has more powerful engines and total production was, what, less than 25?
The standard Bf110C-4 would solve the "super Bf110 "The Germans just misused it in the Battle of Britain" C-4b" issue.
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It's not much of an issue in the BOB setups, where both the hurricane 1 and 110c4 dominate the historically superior spit1 and 109e.
As for the 110c-4, it's no more of a problem than most of the planeset. The extra few hp (20?) don't help it that much. Even if we had the lesser HP version it would still be faster than hurrican1 and spit1, so the end result would be the same.
I wouldn't mind the 110 being redone, though, if only to get the flight model upgraded to higher quality standards.
EDIT: I'd hate to have to redo all my skins though, lmbo!
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With a look at it's flight model as well I'd hope.
Agreed!
That tail-heavy, yaw-wobbly, inverted-flat-spinning, ground-loop prone, wing-snapping, retarded-Dora-gimmicked, piece of crap with ancient and out-dated looks.. really needs some work.
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Don't hold it in, K-man, tell us what you really think!!
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Actually, the mossie is not that many degrees worse than average, once you have the outer tanks empty, and aren't carrying much more than ~1000 .303s and ~350 20mm.
I'd even say it is only bad in acceleration.. it maneuvers about as well as the old 152, and just like it, you need only respect its limits; it more than pays off if you do.
tail-heavy, flat-spinning, ancient and out-dated looks
So I think only these are actually worth mentionning. I will say though, that I've gotten some crazy spins in the Mossie.. Some of them were alternating red/blackouts where I couldn't even see what was going on :lol
It felt like it did two or three cloverleaf spins before settling into a regular flat tailspin.
Great ride :)
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Great ride
.. for a roller-coaster, yeah. :D
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Only.... roller coasters stop and let you off if you vomit during the ride...
:(
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Mossie still hasn't been put to full use at all. I would love to see them fix it and put more models into AH2. :aok
Great post Karnak
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Imo the TA152 looks the worst right now so im hoping for an update of that one within the next couple of years.
+ 1!