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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: republic on April 18, 2007, 08:27:34 AM
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I don't know whether I just need a break...or whether this truly is a widespread issue. It seems as of late, no one wants to fight a 1v1 or 2v2...or any even odds. When I catch someone 1v1 they inevitably:
1. Run to the horde
2. Run to the ack
3. Just...run...and run...and run...
I generally fly a flavor of 109, usually a G2 or F4....so I'm not in a "uber l33t pwning machine". Well...they are but only if you put time into flying them.
If I had a nickel for every time a technically superior opponent ran from me...
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MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Donzo
MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daddy?
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Originally posted by republic
Daddy?
Yes my son?
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dejavu.:huh
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Yep.......
Happens allot.
Fly a g6 sometimes and a 1 v 1 is RARE.
Usually they run.
Get sooooo tired of tryin to chase down P50 RUNS and RUN 90 d9s.
Upped a tempest the other day just so I could run em down.
Been known to up a spit16 so I could catch em as well.
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All we need now for the next month is for the "usual" bunch to blame the "usual" bunch. Again.
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I hear twin allisons in your future :p
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I guess it's because I cut my teeth in the AvA...where men were men and all that jazz. You fight, you win/lose, you up again.
Instead it's "run run horde run run horde..."
Every time I see a lone badguy with a chain of green behind him all of the vying for the kill or vice versa...I lose a brain cell.
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I'd like to just think it's a result of all the newer players we have lately, who don't have the same ideas regarding ettiquette, or the same level of skill as your average long term player. It seems they all just want a kill without getting slaughtered. However, I'd think they'd have a better chance trying to catch other noobs 1 vs 1, instead of competing with 8 countrymen for the assists, but whatever.
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it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
:lol
I shoulda stopped on my way through Miami and given you a hug.
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The most thrilling combat, is a 1v1. Whether I win or lose, a good no HO 1v1 is what I play this game for.
I've spent 5+ minutes twisting and turning and getting a hand cramp trying to take out a few skilled pilots like Oldman, Platano, Tcfks, Storch/WildSau/Tbarone (back in my Grupul 7 days), TheBug, MVJester...and many others. There are lots of good sticks out there who want nothing more than a great, no cheap shot, fight. They are excellent pilots, which makes you want to take the HO/Run/Horde...but if you'll actually take the time to fight them....though you may end up in the tower time and time again...you'll come out of it a better pilot.
I think every new pilot should spend the week on the wing of a veteran. A sort of apprenticeship. If you take the time to learn proper combat maneuvers...you won't need to always use hit and run tactics.
You think a Jug is only for BnZ and porking? I dare you to get into a turn fight with Platano... N1K's have far more tricks up their sleeves than HO's...same with the LA7's. To use them as purely HO machines is almost an insult to the craftsmanship that went into them.
Course...some people just want to see their name in pretty lights...it's their $$.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Yawn.
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Guess it was bound to come up again sooner or later.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
get a clue before you post.
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I quite enjoy going into a 1v1 or sometimes fights where I am outnumbered (2v1) The reason I like doing it is because it make me think about what I am doing and improves SA IMO.
I must admit though a week or so ago I ran from an early 109 while I was in a N1k2-J. I see him completely out do a La7. I had 7 kills (very rare for me) and wanted to land them :o
UNI
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I'll be the first to admit that I am not a fighter pilot, still trying to gain the experience and find a plane that I enjoy flying. But I agree with all of you all I see anymore is 10 v 1 or 1v1vAck. I'll admit I have ran from a fight, actually last night LA7 chasing my Stuka. It was pretty much my only option. But the night before I was flying a 51 going round and round up and down with a 38, and it was a good fight, until the horde noticed. 5 other planes joined in and ulitimately got the 38. The real pisser is one friendly plane that had a little more E dove in right over the canopy and blocked any chance of a kill. So I peeled off so the poor gent in the 38 didn't have 6 planes following him. I climbed to 20k and just flew till the drop tanks were dry. I'm not sure who the 38 pilot was, but I salute you. It was some real fun. <
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I I climbed to 20k and just flew till the drop tanks were dry. I'm not sure who the 38 pilot was, but I salute you. It was some real fun. <>
You dog fight with drop tanks on?
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Originally posted by republic
The most thrilling combat, is a 1v1. Whether I win or lose, a good no HO 1v1 is what I play this game for.
I've spent 5+ minutes twisting and turning and getting a hand cramp trying to take out a few skilled pilots like Oldman, Platano, Tcfks, Storch/WildSau/Tbarone (back in my Grupul 7 days), TheBug, MVJester...and many others. There are lots of good sticks out there who want nothing more than a great, no cheap shot, fight. They are excellent pilots, which makes you want to take the HO/Run/Horde...but if you'll actually take the time to fight them....though you may end up in the tower time and time again...you'll come out of it a better pilot.
I think every new pilot should spend the week on the wing of a veteran. A sort of apprenticeship. If you take the time to learn proper combat maneuvers...you won't need to always use hit and run tactics.
You think a Jug is only for BnZ and porking? I dare you to get into a turn fight with Platano... N1K's have far more tricks up their sleeves than HO's...same with the LA7's. To use them as purely HO machines is almost an insult to the craftsmanship that went into them.
Course...some people just want to see their name in pretty lights...it's their $$.
What stops you from going head to head in the DA?
When I'm walking through a crowded mall or crowded street I wish that eveyone would stay to their right. But I know that there will always be some people that do not subscribe to my thoughts on pedestrian traffic etiquette. So I accept this even though I know that if everyone stayed on their side things would flow more smoothly.
In real life I don't have the luxury of having a place where I can participate in smooth flowing pedestrian traffic.
In AHII the MA is apparently not a place where people who want a good fight can go to find one. The DA is.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Come now, Stench.
You know you get your rocks off when you single-handedly bust up one of the BoP horde raids. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Fulmar
You dog fight with drop tanks on?
I'll go 50 fuel and take long sweeps in hopes I'l find a lone fighter, during the flight I'll drain the wing tanks, then move onto the drops. Its my attempt to make the plane lighter. If I need to then I'll lose the drops in battle, but most of the time I wont have to. If this is a bad theroy let me know, more of an attacker than a fighter pilot.
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KoTH this coming weekend! (and I've got to run a .50 cal range for the Reserves......darn it!) Not always 1 v 1, but close, and the challenge of different planes (well, sometimes).
Only place you'll get the 1 v 1 you want on a regular basis is the Dueling Arena, or by conducting training in TA for noobs.
I don't have very good fighter numbers.... guess I don't know when to run. I'll make an attempt to disengage and ditch when I'm seriously pilot wounded, missing various important parts (like a wing), or engine locks up.
But, don't see many good 1 v 1 any more. Don't see very many lead-wing teams either, working well together. Five or 6 all chasing 1 plane.... yeah, that I still see. All firing past one another.
The War Arenas are what you make of them. In LW, I tend to pick a lower sided country and play defense these days. Took a C.205 up the other day to go and defend a CV which got me 3 kills, a few assists, and a crash land on the CV deck. It was some fun. I suppose you could force a fight in EW or MW against someone running a JABO mission, with no horde to run to, and you had the E to keep them from running away.
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Originally posted by Donzo
What stops you from going head to head in the DA?
In my experience the DA is a place for people to squirt their machismo all over the place...not a place for a good fight. Merely a place so film something so you can go into the MA and yell "<--- owns XXX I got the film to prove it!!!11oneeleven"
The AvA used to be the place to go...but a long month or so of bad setups, and now broken maps...have left it a ghost town.
There is hope for the MA...I still occasionally find a few good sticks... Just wondering why each day the fights grow less skill based, and more towards hordes...
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Originally posted by tedrbr
[B}Don't see very many lead-wing teams either, working well together.[/B]
That is something I REALLY miss. When JG 54 ups, we try to have some semblance of a formation much of the time....at least a few lead/wingman pairs.
I've always wanted to run into a hostile wing...rather than a huge line of discombobulated cons spread out like a horde of locusts. And similar to locusts...they all attack the same poor shmo...kinda like the seagulls from the movie Finding Nemo "MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE!"
This is the sound I hear in my head, for your reference. (http://www.reelwavs.com/movies/finding_nemo/mine1.wav)
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they need to have an official burial of the "old ways" . Except the fact that if you do not make your kill with .5 seconds of engagement every friendly in the area will immediately jump on your con and ignore the 3 behind you, as well as the 10 more inbound. You will get gangraped if you choose to fly at low alt or follow a target below 7k. THERE IS NO such thing as a one on one or any type of gentlemanly play anymore. Every con you meet will instantly run if you have more alt or you outmerge him on the turn...
Except these facts and anything else that happens for the better is a bonus. Platano and I fought for a good 5 minutes with no interruptions, no ho shots, and no cherrypicks or gangrapes..was the best fight ive had in 2 years. Good things will happen but most of the time you shouldnt believe anyone has any chivalry.
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80% of my time in AH today is fighting with a disadvantage. In the last 6 months its been hard to find a good even fight and most of the time it will last only a few seconds then their in pieces.
My daily habit is to look for the largest dar bar up a spit 16. Climb out to 4-6k go around the furball and look for high cons. Pull a couple out kill them rinse and repeat.
The best time i have in AH today is upping from capped fields. That's when you really get that feeling that your in a fight to the death.
I do still have great fights with some vets. Its just harder to pick them out from the sea of newbs.
I really do see a lack of skilled pilots. I think that skill levels are really displaced in today's AH. We all were newbs but i really think their is more around than in the past.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Yawn.
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Stick to your little group of "we're better than them" in the Ghost town err AVA arena.
Just shows how much you know.
Our guys will more often than not be at a base against the hoard, or in a small group diving into a base thats capped.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Except these facts and anything else that happens for the better is a bonus. Platano and I fought for a good 5 minutes with no interruptions, no ho shots, and no cherrypicks or gangrapes..was the best fight ive had in 2 years. Good things will happen but most of the time you shouldnt believe anyone has any chivalry.
And it's those fights that keep you coming back looking for more :)
You know when you found one most of the time, cause the guy doesn;t come at you guns a blazing for the HO but is nosing down for the merge. As you pass him, you see him going vertical and you know 'fights on!"
Good times :)
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I'll go 50 fuel and take long sweeps in hopes I'l find a lone fighter, during the flight I'll drain the wing tanks, then move onto the drops. Its my attempt to make the plane lighter. If I need to then I'll lose the drops in battle, but most of the time I wont have to. If this is a bad theroy let me know, more of an attacker than a fighter pilot.
Depends on the situation. I guess if you're BnZ in a pony, I'd be okay with that. You have the right strategy in make the wings lighter. For me, the only time I keep my drop tanks on in combat is possibly taking on a buff formation because usually these are long trips and I need all the gas I can get, plus I'll be riding my 190a8, not the range king p51. Many of times I've been shot down and then realize after the fight I had left my tank on.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
Many of times I've been shot down and then realize after the fight I had left my tank on.
I hate when I do that. :D
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I can understand the frustration. 109F4 and K4 are my two favorite birds. I have found that it is necessary to change tactics to defeat the "Horde Mentality" and it usually starts with a little extra patience and fuel. Nowadays i roll my K4 with 100fuel and sometimes a drop tank depending on the time that i have or what i am anticipating. If i see the "horde" coming towards a base, for example a cv near a base, ill up my k4 and grab alt and just pick them off, because what else can you do? Dive in and turn with them? Oh yeah that's happening. Other times ill come across that rare 1v1 pilot who I don't know if he is good but soon find out when he doesn't decide to shoot at me from d800, those make it worth it. The only disadvantage with that is you have an incredible amount of fuel onboard that limits the abilities of the 109, but it's still fun.
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I like geting ganged by 3-4 noobs then pwning them......... it makes me feel good about myself:cool: :aok
Also I hate being in a great 1v1 jsut to see a high lghay or spitdweeb drop in and pick me:mad:
Edit:
MAs = Dweebs
AvA = good fights
TA = where most MAers need to go:p
DA = I r l33t ull n3v3r b34t m3 ppl
SEA = good fights
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Translation:
Those that I named are the ones that always kick my arse and I'm at a loss to explain how they do it. So I'll go on the forums and call them cherry pickers and so forth to minimize the impact their continuous arse kicking have dealt to my fragile ego. I'll make up lies and say these guys cherry pick me, gang me, vulch me or anything else my little bitty mind can think of to try and paint these players in a bad light so people will say, "Gee, storchita, you are a really good pilot, too bad these guys had to shoot you down like that." Despite the fact that someone like AKAK who has repeatedly kicked my arse in the DA when I've gotten a case of the extreme stupids and challenged him to the DA (boy, my ego is still bruised from those last two forays to the DA). I'll keep repeating how much these guys suck to the point where I start to believe it myself despite the fact that anyone that has ever fought against me knows how badly I suck and all I have are my idiotic rants and whines on Channel 200 when I inevitably get my arse handed to me. Now, I'm off to the AvA to bully some players and get my arse kicked.
ack-ack
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Fly the P40E. People come to you instead of running.
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Or, ping a friendly so you start smoking. It's like chumming for sharks- everyone and their wingman will drop everything to descend in mass upon an already damaged plane.
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Amazes me how some "adults" can act towards a game. Oh well.
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ok i havent been playing for very long but i have to disagree with everything said so far. everytime i jump into a game im constantly amazed at how willing people are to just go head to head with me. even when theyre already beaten up and i have a clear energy advantage and theyre still pointing their nose right at me! (granted they dont last long and i love watching those fireballs crash into the ocean)
just the other night i was scouting out an enemy base and started tailing a 262 when i noticed his friend on my tail. turned out there were 3 of them all spawned at that base just to get me. I ended up downing 2 of them but the 262 got away :cry
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Originally posted by zlehmann
ok i havent been playing for very long but i have to disagree with everything said so far. everytime i jump into a game im constantly amazed at how willing people are to just go head to head with me. even when theyre already beaten up and i have a clear energy advantage and theyre still pointing their nose right at me! (granted they dont last long and i love watching those fireballs crash into the ocean)
just the other night i was scouting out an enemy base and started tailing a 262 when i noticed his friend on my tail. turned out there were 3 of them all spawned at that base just to get me. I ended up downing 2 of them but the 262 got away :cry
:huh
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Fly the P40E. People come to you instead of running.
LOL so true.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Piffle.
:aok
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Somehow, newbs have been getting the blame for all the lameplay. I constantly see vets ganging and running. Apparently, their score or their virtual life is too valuable to risk being shot down testing their ability to fight!
I usually use the tactic of hanging low to the side of a furball and "teasing" victims to pounce me. More and more, this is just a flag to the gangers to head my way. I had this con the other night come over to inspect and sure enough (me being the only dot over there) 4 of his buddies came along to jump in on the lone kill! It does actually get humorous at times! :aok
Mark
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Originally posted by Storch:
(http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5561/smiley16junewq2.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Bow down to His Royal Cryness!
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Originally posted by republic
It seems as of late, no one wants to fight a 1v1
why don't you play one of those" first person shoter games", if you need soo much privacy?
1 vs 1, in a masssive multi arena with 400+players is like having xxx without a partner
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why don't you play one of those" first person shoter games", if you need soo much privacy?
1 vs 1, in a masssive multi arena with 400+players is like having xxx without a partner
At least he's looking for someone to fight with, unlike some people who'd rather prefer to fly within Armageddon-sized locust swarms and spend all their time hitting empty tool sheds and radio shacks.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
lolzomfg wtf happened to you since i've been gone.
that was teh funay.
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Ive flown with AKAK a bit in the main arena and, despite being the most venomous poo flinging monkey on the forums, he is not a pilot lacking in skill, experience or a will to fight impossible odds.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Ive flown with AKAK a bit in the main arena and, despite being the most venomous poo flinging monkey on the forums, he is not a pilot lacking in skill, experience or a will to fight impossible odds.
Agreed.
- oldman (and I add that I think Storch is a pretty competent pilot, too)
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Originally posted by ghi
why don't you play one of those" first person shoter games", if you need soo much privacy?
1 vs 1, in a masssive multi arena with 400+players is like having xxx without a partner
Uhhh....riiiight. I don't think you understood my post.
I mean I want to see interesting fights... Not like we have now where 15 players swarm 1 poor sap (when there are plenty of other cons around)...each of them shooting over the shoulder of the other trying to steal the kill...then when they do down the poor fella, they boast on vox as if they actually accomplished something worth boasting about.
Originally posted by ghi
Apparently, their score or their virtual life is too valuable to risk being shot down testing their ability to fight!
I've seen this too...I really don't understand why people work so hard for a good score....especially when it carries so little significance in representing actual skill.
But again...it's their $$ and if they want to spend it getting their name listed on the front page at the end of the tour...who am I to deny them that. :rolleyes:
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akakosphere
that's the second time in a few days I've heard this.... funny stuff.
Ive flown with AKAK a bit in the main arena and, despite being the most venomous poo flinging monkey on the forums, he is not a pilot lacking in a will to fight impossible odds.
Huh, I've know AKAK for years. He comes in high, gets a kill or three, and dies once his E advantage is gone. Now, I'm not saying he isn't a good stick, once a 38 is low and slow it is a very appetizing target for the hordes.
I'm not sure about the venemous poo thing, lol. I know he's a racist but, poo flinging... hehehehehe.
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I do not obey your silly rules.
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ZOmg...
Its getting worse???
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Great to hear from ya again Storch!!!
Is that all you got???
What ever happened to the "ol" acerbic Storch we used to know and love??
Don,t tell me you,re losing your edge!!!!
Please, tell us how you really feel.
Adoringly yours,:D
Boner
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Huh, I've know AKAK for years. He comes in high, gets a kill or three, and dies once his E advantage is gone. Now, I'm not saying he isn't a good stick, once a 38 is low and slow it is a very appetizing target for the hordes.
If that's what you believe then you really don't know me or how I fly. You've flown against me enough in AW and AH to know you're not telling the truth. What you've described is more your flying style than mine.
I'm not sure about the venemous poo thing, lol. I know he's a racist but, poo flinging... hehehehehe.
Calling me a racist is a tad out of line and uncalled for.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by ghi
why don't you play one of those" first person shoter games", if you need soo much privacy?
1 vs 1, in a masssive multi arena with 400+players is like having xxx without a partner
Where's Fugitive's Movie, "The Vulchers" when you need it! That first part where they all start ranting about how they only got an assist in a 12 vs 1 is hilarious!!!!:aok
Mark
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as we can clearly see our good friends the BoPs even horde on the BBS. still I admire consistency and they are without a doubt a consistent bunch.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'd like to just think it's a result of all the newer players we have lately, who don't have the same ideas regarding ettiquette, or the same level of skill as your average long term player. It seems they all just want a kill without getting slaughtered. However, I'd think they'd have a better chance trying to catch other noobs 1 vs 1, instead of competing with 8 countrymen for the assists, but whatever.
It isn't a result of the flux in new players.
Like xmarine said, they don't give a chit. It is a matter of self control, and most people flying do not have it.
Personally, I try to be conscious of the fact that there is another human flying that cartoon plane and how frustrating it is being on the receiving end of a 5v1.
Simple equation...
If you don't like it...don't do it.
And to the idea that if you do not like it go to the DA..
That's garbage. I suggest whoever is sporting that idea should go to the TA and learn how to fight.
And no. You don't know how to fight.
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Originally posted by Dadano
It isn't a result of the flux in new players.
Like xmarine said, they don't give a chit. It is a matter of self control, and most people flying do not have it.
Personally, I try to be conscious of the fact that there is another human flying that cartoon plane and how frustrating it is being on the receiving end of a 5v1.
Simple equation...
If you don't like it...don't do it.
And to the idea that if you do not like it go to the DA..
That's garbage. I suggest whoever is sporting that idea should go to the TA and learn how to fight.
And no. You don't know how to fight.
that is exactly right. very well written dano
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
If that's what you believe then you really don't know me or how I fly. You've flown against me enough in AW and AH to know you're not telling the truth. What you've described is more your flying style than mine.
Calling me a racist is a tad out of line and uncalled for.
ack-ack
Well they don't call anything the Steveosphere. I described how you fly. You might not like it but obviously others must feel the same way or there wouldn't be an AKAKosphere. I know the truth is hurtful sometimes, deal with it.
I called you a racist because you are a racist. Here's one of your racist quotes:
It's funny seeing you "Gringos" whine about Hispanics taking over California and the Southwest,
You're a racist. Much like you are in denial about being an alt monkey, you seem to be about the fact that you are a racist.
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Originally posted by Dadano
It isn't a result of the flux in new players.
Like xmarine said, they don't give a chit. It is a matter of self control, and most people flying do not have it.
Personally, I try to be conscious of the fact that there is another human flying that cartoon plane and how frustrating it is being on the receiving end of a 5v1.
Simple equation...
If you don't like it...don't do it.
And to the idea that if you do not like it go to the DA..
That's garbage. I suggest whoever is sporting that idea should go to the TA and learn how to fight.
And no. You don't know how to fight.
I dunno. I don't think it's lack of self control, so much as lack of a clue. Maybe it's both. Agree with the rest though.
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The thing I'm wondering is why everyone thinks the DA is such a macho-fest or "I'm better than you" place. Some of my best friends in this game are such because of hours spent shooting each other down.
I mean, yeah, there's the occasional jerk... But you're gonna tell me the MA is any different? Heck, a lot of the guys who come off as real jerks in the MA turn into real nice guys in the DA.
I have to figure if you're someone who thinks the DA has anything to do with "proving who's best," a good chunk of the reason is probably your own attitude.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I mean, yeah, there's the occasional jerk...
I don't know why I have to be dragged into everyone's argument, I mean, I'm already on another 8 day text suspion for calling someone a dweeb and the other to take a cold shower. What else do you guys want from me??? OK!!!!! I apologize for calling the sucky dweeby types, sucky dweeby types. Is that better? can I type something on 200 now???
I would just like to add, the dot report system is being abused to let dweebs get retaliation on people who feed off dweeb fodder! Again, I apologize that you suk! I never intended for you to suk when I owned you! You are a good person and I care about your feelings! I am sorry that you knowing you couldn't hold my jock strap in a 1 vs 1 inhibits your ability to come to terms with the reality of competition. Beating your opponent, is somethig that should be fought for, not gained by milking the numbers and the system!
:noid
Carry on gentlemen!
Mark:aok
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If anyone knows who would dare use the report function against the great skyrock, please thank them for me.
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the 1 thing about this game that i think is most fun is the thrill of a 1 on 1 fight. I use to spend more time in the old DA(killshooter off) then in the MA cause i loved 1 on 1 fights. to bad they changed it, and just like this thread is not going to make those losers stop running, and gangbanging just for a kill, is like how the old DA will never come back. (sigh):(
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being good at dueling is one thing in this game, but those skills count for nothing untill you can handle a nice gangbang and fly away with all the kills.
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Nice to see everyone gets along in this game....
Steves correct about the 38 and aka is correct about steves 51. Some planes do a better job than others because of their game play.
Every vet that has time in each planes knows you have a low and slow fast bird.
38
p47
51
190
typie
With another vet over his head he is at a big disadvantage. ACM plays a major part..
I always said that a good 38 pilot is a alt monkey. Not because they cant fight but because they are using their plane correctly.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
being good at dueling is one thing in this game, but those skills count for nothing untill you can handle a nice gangbang and fly away with all the kills.
I second that...
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Originally posted by FX1
Nice to see everyone gets along in this game....
Steves correct about the 38 and aka is correct about steves 51. Some planes do a better job than others because of their game play.
Every vet that has time in each planes knows you have a low and slow fast bird.
38
p47
51
190
typie
With another vet over his head he is at a big disadvantage. ACM plays a major part..
I always said that a good 38 pilot is a alt monkey. Not because they cant fight but because they are using their plane correctly.
Are you suggesting my low 38G isn't being used correctly!...er...um....oh well :)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
being good at dueling is one thing in this game, but those skills count for nothing untill you can handle a nice gangbang and fly away with all the kills.
To hell with being good at it, it's just fun :aok I don't get why more people don't try it out... I'll bet you it'd lead to more good fights in the MA, too.
Oh, and Skyrock, you suck.
:D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Are you suggesting my low 38G isn't being used correctly!...er...um....oh well :)
Don't feel bad, Dan, it's pretty hard to get up to 20k when you're missing half a wing... And leaking oil, on one prop, with a flap, gun or two, and such shot out. :aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
being good at dueling is one thing in this game, but those skills count for nothing untill you can handle a nice gangbang and fly away with all the kills.
Right...1v3 (gangbang) can be fun. 1v5,6,7,8,9 (horde) is just retarded.
My opinions were directed toward the 4th,5th,6th and 7th sweetheart bags dropping in.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I never intended for you to suk when I owned you! You are a good person and I care about your feelings! I am sorry that you knowing you couldn't hold my jock strap in a 1 vs 1 inhibits your ability to come to terms with the reality of competition. Beating your opponent, is somethig that should be fought for, not gained by milking the numbers and the system!
:noid
Carry on gentlemen!
Mark:aok
You could try not berating people who aren't as good as you or don't play the game by your rules.
Heck, many of us are guilty of the ch200 whine now and then. I certainly am. You take it to a new level. You mask it with this supposed "online persona" and explain it away as you are just trying to get people to fight.
Most of us, including the mods, don't buy it. Many see it as some overzealous loudmouth being a jerk again.
You don't limit it to channel 200 either. I've heard you on several occasions screaming and cursing at your own teammates for assorted reasons. The most rediculous one is when someone shot down "your guy" and it was in the middle of a (about) 30 on 30 furball. It's as if people are supposed to know what plane you are on and if they do know, you are somehow more entitled to kill them than they are.
Now, I'm not talking about a nice little 1v1 somewhere, I agree that someone dropping in on that can be annoying, especially if you make it clear that "no thank you, I do not need help." I'm talking about you screaming at your teammates for this in the middle of a large furball. Rediculous.
Before you get too worked up about this keep in mind that I like you, Skyrock. I enjoy flying with you(except for the range vox tirades) and I think you make a terrific wingman. Spending time with you in the DA is a blast. I just think you are too spun up in the MA.
I'll grant you that I am throwing stones in a glass house as I too act childish on 200 now and then. I am certainly not a 200 role model.
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Originally posted by wrag
Yep.......
Happens allot.
Fly a g6 sometimes and a 1 v 1 is RARE.
Usually they run.
Get sooooo tired of tryin to chase down P50 RUNS and RUN 90 d9s.
Upped a tempest the other day just so I could run em down.
Been known to up a spit16 so I could catch em as well.
Try this just once.
When you see them running away, turn around as soon as they start running, 85% of the time they turn right around and you sucker them out in front of you, or a squadmate/wingman.No more chasing, just turn around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg-MWV--TD4
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Originally posted by -CodyC
I can understand the frustration. 109F4 and K4 are my two favorite birds. I have found that it is necessary to change tactics to defeat the "Horde Mentality" and it usually starts with a little extra patience and fuel. Nowadays i roll my K4 with 100fuel and sometimes a drop tank depending on the time that i have or what i am anticipating. If i see the "horde" coming towards a base, for example a cv near a base, ill up my k4 and grab alt and just pick them off, because what else can you do? Dive in and turn with them? Oh yeah that's happening. Other times ill come across that rare 1v1 pilot who I don't know if he is good but soon find out when he doesn't decide to shoot at me from d800, those make it worth it. The only disadvantage with that is you have an incredible amount of fuel onboard that limits the abilities of the 109, but it's still fun.
The K4 is uber. Try starting your dive from further out and coming in more 'level' as opposed to perching directly above the fight.
Come in from co-alt or even slightly below, find a shot and then nose-up.
even when you bleed off your speed and you're more or less travelling at the same speed, just nose-up and rope people.
I always take 100% fuel and a DT when I fly a K4, it is not a significant disadvantage.
Perhaps I feel this way because I cut my teeth on 190s.... so even a fully loaded K4 turns like it's on rails :lol
In a horde situation.... more often than not if you lose the upper-hand in a K4, you can escape, climb and come back.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg-MWV--TD4 [/B]
I'm not sure that sort of music is the most suitable for a 109 film :lol
I don't know why the K4 would have turned back into a 3 v 1 situation but I wouldn't consider that film any great stroke of genius on your part. No offence intended.
I'd have followed the K4 and tried for a 109 1v1. I love 1v1 in K4s/G-14s
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Just my opinion BUT.........
The high alt stuff may become VERY common place once CT gets started.
Could find yourself having to deal with allot of high alt planes coming in and vulchin lower planes continuely.
Doesn't happen so much now because so many just wanna furball and getting alt takes too much time.
SA and ACM may become even MORE necassary!
Knowing how a plane handles at 20+K maybe VERY important?
I confess I LOVE the way the P47s handle above 20K!
IMHO their pretty much THE king at 22K and up.
Then again the base capture thing may keep everything nearly the same?
Oops and the mossie is pretty mean with alt also!!!!!
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Originally posted by Fulmar
You dog fight with drop tanks on?
I do it all the time.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
I don't know why the K4 would have turned back into a 3 v 1 situation but I wouldn't consider that film any great stroke of genius on your part.
Because that K-4 is like the rest of them in the MA,KIll Kill Kill kill Kill. he was gonna turn around no matter what.
It wasn't a 3 on 1 either, that spawn player is a 2 week baby seal who was at a way lower altitude and at least 5,000 away.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
When you see them running away, turn around as soon as they start running, 85% of the time they turn right around
Yup. Generally the guy who's running away just wants some separation. Unless I know that I'm in a faster plane (which doesn't often occur), I'll turn 45 degrees or so away from him. Most of the time he'll turn back and the fight's back on.
- oldman
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You could try not berating people who aren't as good as you or don't play the game by your rules.
Heck, many of us are guilty of the ch200 whine now and then. I certainly am. You take it to a new level. You mask it with this supposed "online persona" and explain it away as you are just trying to get people to fight.
Most of us, including the mods, don't buy it. Many see it as some overzealous loudmouth being a jerk again.
You don't limit it to channel 200 either. I've heard you on several occasions screaming and cursing at your own teammates for assorted reasons. The most rediculous one is when someone shot down "your guy" and it was in the middle of a (about) 30 on 30 furball. It's as if people are supposed to know what plane you are on and if they do know, you are somehow more entitled to kill them than they are.
Now, I'm not talking about a nice little 1v1 somewhere, I agree that someone dropping in on that can be annoying, especially if you make it clear that "no thank you, I do not need help." I'm talking about you screaming at your teammates for this in the middle of a large furball. Rediculous.
Before you get too worked up about this keep in mind that I like you, Skyrock. I enjoy flying with you(except for the range vox tirades) and I think you make a terrific wingman. Spending time with you in the DA is a blast. I just think you are too spun up in the MA.
I'll grant you that I am throwing stones in a glass house as I too act childish on 200 now and then. I am certainly not a 200 role model.
weeenies that can dish it out but can't take it are the ones who I am being sarcastic about. Right before I got chat suspended, I had Pieper come on 200 and type, "I just dot reported SkyRock." I called someone a dweeb and got 8 days. Yesterday, I logged on and SS'd 19 different occurrances where peeps called others dweebs or tards! Just like your comment Steve, I have read much worse than I have ever typed from you.
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another idiotic thread that suggests there are unwritten rules about how one should fly this game.....
it of course neglects the fact that without all the other guys paying their money to have fun, there would be no game or it would be outlandishly expensive...
so if you want rules..take your buddies...goodness knows there are enough on this thread alone and set up a H2H arena or use the DA..the game allows that!!!
but it also allows every other type of gameplay and none is superior than another....
what is really demonstrated here is that there are many guys who actually believe that what happens in this game means anything about who you are, how successful you are or if you are a good person....it doesnt...it only does to you...nobody turns the computer off and tells their wife/friends about how great PilotX is....unless they like the sound of hysterical laughter...
but what makes pilotx mad is that he believes he is uber and when he dies he feels he has failed so he must blame someone...in this thread it is "the horde" of course it could not be his fault that his SA allowed him into a place where he could be ganged/vulched/spawn camped/picked...the "damn my SA sucks" whine is just not as effective as "gangbangers!!!"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
another idiotic thread that suggests there are unwritten rules about how one should fly this game.....
:rolleyes:
agrees, you may cry about hording but your not going to stop it. If people want to horde they can hord,same thing for people bombing vulching and even hoing,they are going to do whats fun for them, they dont care what other people think what is fun,i vulch,it's fun,it's even more fun when people cry on 200 about it,same thing with hoing,it takes 2 to ho and the other person could of turned away from it or gone under it.
just my 2cents on Hording :aok :noid :D
ALL
~VansCrew~
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
what is really demonstrated here is that there are many guys who actually believe that what happens in this game means anything about who you are, how successful you are or if you are a good person....
:huh
Everything we do is a representation of who we are. Whether in person, on the phone, in a letter, on the Internet, etc.
Of course the way you act in a game represents who you are...unless you have some bizarre multiple personality you have no control over that instantly takes over your mind and body the moment you sit down at the computer.
The Internet is not a free pass to depravity.
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Originally posted by storch
it bears repeating. the MA is the place where people will pork the stationary and flee from anything that moves. players such as akak, sehob, grim, kev367 and others of their ilk such as every BoP are just not fun to play against because they suck. they hang out in hordes or in the ack or in the akakosphere or any two of the former. but it's their $14.95 so they can be light on the loafers if they so choose.
Storchie, you always swallow the hook.
...nuff said
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1:p
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Some people run because they are low on fuel or bingo ammo. Some of those are forced to turn back by faster planes chasing them.
Just thought I'd point out the obvious.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
another idiotic thread that suggests there are unwritten rules about how one should fly this game.....
I didn't see it that way at all. No one here has claimed that there should be a restriction on the way a person plays the game. The "idiots" who offend you simply pointed out that someone who runs from combat, or who thinks it's a hoot to pile on or to shoot people taking off from the runway, are lame or juvenile (or both). That's only a personal opinion, of course. It doesn't hamper anyone's game style. It simply expresses what some might think of a player who enjoys that sort of thing.
- oldman
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Originally posted by republic
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Of course the way you act in a game represents who you are...unless you have some bizarre multiple personality you have no control over that instantly takes over your mind and body the moment you sit down at the computer.
You just described over 1/2 the VF-4 Red Rippers.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Just like your comment Steve, I have read much worse than I have ever typed from you.
Well, if you say so. I've never been chat suspended, though.
I suppose your next defense is that people are picking on you because you ownt them. Would you consider, just for a moment, that they are fed up w/ your repeated rantings and insults on ch 200 and range vox? Would you consider that, just for a moment, maybe this is your fault?
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:lol
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I didn't see it that way at all. No one here has claimed that there should be a restriction on the way a person plays the game. The "idiots" who offend you simply pointed out that someone who runs from combat, or who thinks it's a hoot to pile on or to shoot people taking off from the runway, are lame or juvenile (or both). That's only a personal opinion, of course. It doesn't hamper anyone's game style. It simply expresses what some might think of a player who enjoys that sort of thing.
- oldman
i have much respect for you oldmn...
but for you not to see that this is yet another thread that has no point and does try to belittle or pressure others into playing the game a certain way is silly....
and I didnt call anyone an "idiot" ... i simply commented on the nature of this type of thread....
again please take off the blinders and realize that:
for every guy who vulches...there is a guy who thinks he deserves to be allowed up any runway he feels like no matter the circumstances ( he also typically thinks he should be allowed to grab equal alt) instead of upping a distant field and earning the advantage
for every guy who "piles on"....there is a guy who flew into a darbar in a way that allowed other plane/s to enter the fray (or hung around an enemy airfield too long)
for every guy who "runs from a fight"...there is a guy in a slower or poorly positioned plane that is probably a better turner who wants the "runner" to turn back into an unfavorable fight...
and the amusing part to me is that the latter in each case is often found on ch 200 spewing venom...so i ask you ...who is really better for the game and having fun? and who is taking themselves too seriously?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Well, if you say so. I've never been chat suspended, though.
I suppose your next defense is that people are picking on you because you ownt them. Would you consider, just for a moment, that they are fed up w/ your repeated rantings and insults on ch 200 and range vox? Would you consider that, just for a moment, maybe this is your fault?
Steve, calm down bud! I posted my comment as humor. Now, if you want to get technical, I do not believe that HT intended for the dot report system to be used on people you don't like. It is in my opinion that it was established to report abuses. Now, if I am abusing the text, then I should be suspended for punishment. If I am merely using the text within the parameters of accepted behavior, then I should not be banned. I believe that getting dot reported for typing the word dweeb, is laughable. Like I said, I Screenshot 19 occurances yesterday when I logged on of people calling others dweeb or tard. This doesn't include all the other insults and language that was going on. So instead of mouthing off like a know it all, try and understand what my post was about........if your capable of that type of understanding.
The system is not in place to report people you don't like, it is there to report abuses. I think the community has set a standard and calling another player a dweeb has certainly become commonplace on 200 and does not warrant a report. Hell, Skuzzy called me a dweeb on 200 about 3 years ago.
031598: Skuzzy
Skuzzy: #'s dweeb
I definitely deserve to be chat suspended sometimes, I have earned it. But I think getting suspended for calling someone a dweeb, is showing how the dot report system can be abused.
Now back to my original point on the matter, I think anyon who tattle tales is a weenie! :aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
and the amusing part to me is that the latter in each case is often found on ch 200 spewing venom...
exactly why i don't tune to 200.
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Falc, as one who is maligned for your style of gameplay, I think you're reading more into these posts than was intended, or you're grouping everyone who disagrees with you into the same category as guys like Skyrock, which is unfair and insulting to the rest of us.
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I'm new this game, and new to flight sims in general.
I like the pony because I'm new, and it allows me to focus on learning one plane that can do a lot of different things.
I also like it because when I make a mistake, which I always do, it's fast enough to get me out of trouble. I'd much rather extend and come back to fight on my terms than get shot down, up again at another base, gain alt, and fly back to the fight.
I BNZ so I'm not so much concerned with numbers as I am setting up a pass, and making sure I don't get shot down in the process.
I guess I don't understand the expectation of people to intentionally place themselves at a tactical disadvantage. I'll practice that in the training arena so I can get myself out of trouble when I need to in the main arena.
I don't like overwhelming odds in either favor. I either don't get a chance to kill anybody, or don't last long enough to enjoy myself. The only time I "gang bang" is if there simply nothing else to shoot at.
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Originally posted by whiteman
exactly why i don't tune to 200.
You miss out on good things doing so.
While there is a lot of chest-beating and whatnot on 200, often there are good discussions, friendly encouragement/advice/praise etc from people that you can't freely chat with otherwise.
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Originally posted by lilprop
I don't like overwhelming odds in either favor. I either don't get a chance to kill anybody, or don't last long enough to enjoy myself. The only time I "gang bang" is if there simply nothing else to shoot at.
Friendly advice: let your buddies deal with the slow, wallowing Corsair on the deck and keep your alt. Head towards an enemy base and in about 2 minutes tops you'll have something else to shoot at. You're guaranteed to have more fun and you won't give me a coronary :D :aok
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This thread will explode in
3
2
1
:noid
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Originally posted by Vudak
Friendly advice: let your buddies deal with the slow, wallowing Corsair on the deck and keep your alt. Head towards an enemy base and in about 2 minutes tops you'll have something else to shoot at. You're guaranteed to have more fun and you won't give me a coronary :D :aok
Well, typically by the time the battle has dwindled to the point, I'm too low on fuel, hopefully too low on ammo, and possible have some damage to make looking for another fight worth while.
But I'll keep that in mind next I see some poor soul with a swarm of guys on him.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
So instead of mouthing off like a know it all, try and understand what my post was about........if your capable of that type of understanding.
Do you really expect to have a civil conversation with comments like the above?
I definitely deserve to be chat suspended sometimes, I have earned it. But I think getting suspended for calling someone a dweeb, is showing how the dot report system can be abused.
I think there are many of us who deserve a "time out" now and then.
Contrarily, I think there are mods whose fingers are too fast to the mute button and I agree w/ you that the dot report command could easily be abused. I also agree that you are a likely target for such abuse.
Edit: As far as the OP's whine goes, it's not really a horde whine as much as a runner whine, doncha think? It always bewilders me that people complain they managed to get a "1v1" and their opponent ran. What this no doubt means is that the "runner" was getting waxed and decided to run instead of getting shot down.
I fail to see what there is to complain about. Every last player, EVERY one, who has played this game for any length of time has disengaged for this reason at one time or another.
Heck, if you force a guy to run... you won. Maybe ya didn't get the kill but you certainly beat the guy.
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Last night FyingFin kept coming over to A1 in his P40 at 7k. He would engage and evade our upping hoard for long periods of time before being shot down. Then he would salute us who engaged him and come back in his P40.
My emberassment is that I 1 vs 1 him with my D11 and he was owning me through the rolling siccors. I was saved by 2 of my country men jumping in. So if Fin keeps going 1 vs 20 in his P40, what is the point of this thread? He dosen't come on here and complain, tell us how wonderful he is, or suggest the LW MA's are anything but what they are. Because I was emberrassed I started upping a Tiffy.
I thought combat was about adapting and over coming the lemons being thrown at you? Can anyone answer why Knights hoard on the deck while Rooks start their hoard from 15k?
It's funny how in the SEA fighter sweeps meet at 20K and above per orders. Then I watch the hottest people I know fall with the best. No trolling the borders of the fight looking for prey and 1 vs 1. Just combat between 20-30 planes because thats the fantasy job they agreed to do. But worse no real knowlege of who pwnd who. Only the satisfaction that you survived and possibly shot someone down.
I guess the point to this thread about the MA as usual boils down to some form of pwnding denied or denial. No one complains this way about air combat in the SEA. It's sudden, white knuckleing and absolutly unfair and unpredictable. But it's exciting as hell until it's over.....................:t
If you are good enough to pwnd others in OlMan's AvsA on a regular basis, you are good enough to pwnd others in the MA. The hoards are herds of sheep and entertainment if you are a real wolf like some who pwnd me all the time in the MA. Cartoon planes...Cartoon game...Cartoon people....sheesh....:huh
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Originally posted by Dadano
Right...1v3 (gangbang) can be fun. 1v5,6,7,8,9 (horde) is just retarded.
My opinions were directed toward the 4th,5th,6th and 7th sweetheart bags dropping in.
sorry dano! i wasnt aiming that at you or anyone in particular mate
S!
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Do you really expect to have a civil conversation with comments like the above?
My apologies, I was being an arse! :aok
Mark
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Originally posted by SkyRock
My apologies, I was being an arse! :aok
Mark
It's all good, you know I love ya.
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Well ****ing kumbaya can we all get a group hug lolz.
:)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Falc, as one who is maligned for your style of gameplay, I think you're reading more into these posts than was intended, or you're grouping everyone who disagrees with you into the same category as guys like Skyrock, which is unfair and insulting to the rest of us.
don't mean to be insulting...definitely didnt mean to insult you...
i've said my piece and will bow out if i'm offending:aok
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Originally posted by Stang
Well ****ing kumbaya can we all get a group hug lolz.
:)
Stang stop this nonsence this minute....you are scaring me:cry Now that SkyRock has to play nice you were my last great hope for a proper butt kicking in the MA....:O Oh the sheer horror of it all....we gonna have to sit around and talk about our feelings in the Lobby now.....eeekkk...aaaggggkkk.. ..errrgggg...yeekkyy phooooy....thubb..thubbb...th ubbbbabbaabaaaaaaaaa......... .....:rolleyes:
Where is Shane when you need him......dang he never sold out to the fuzzy wuzzy lamby feely goods.....is this the end of the world???????:O
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Originally posted by Stang
Well ****ing kumbaya can we all get a group hug lolz.
:)
Now thats Funny:lol :lol
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Because that K-4 is like the rest of them in the MA,KIll Kill Kill kill Kill. he was gonna turn around no matter what.
It wasn't a 3 on 1 either, that spawn player is a 2 week baby seal who was at a way lower altitude and at least 5,000 away.
That "baby seal" you are refering to is spawn77, not a newb as I have flown with the guy for over 2 years, he just has a different name. So yes, it was a 3v1.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Falc, as one who is maligned for your style of gameplay, I think you're reading more into these posts than was intended, or you're grouping everyone who disagrees with you into the same category as guys like Skyrock, which is unfair and insulting to the rest of us.
You're a joke! A disposable one at that. Good bye!
Mark
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Originally posted by republic
The Internet is not a free pass to depravity.
Well hell I'm canceling my subscription then!!:furious
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Try this just once.
When you see them running away, turn around as soon as they start running, 85% of the time they turn right around and you sucker them out in front of you, or a squadmate/wingman.No more chasing, just turn around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg-MWV--TD4
From your film I doubt that guy turned around because you did. You were 400 on his six forever and couldn't get a hit.
It looked like as you immeled, your buddy came in fast and forced the turn. From there the fight was between the 109 and your buddy.
The film shows the 109 coming near you again near the end but only because he was trying to evade your friend who finishes him off moments later.
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whatever the film depicts the point remains true, dont chase them and they will come back for more.
here is another example of what sweet2th describes, feel free to be as generous on me as you were about his point.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/give_your_tail.ahf
its a very good point.
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Originally posted by BGgetmo
That "baby seal" you are refering to is spawn77, not a newb as I have flown with the guy for over 2 years, he just has a different name. So yes, it was a 3v1.
Doesn't really matter, at the alt we was at he still wasn't a factor.
Awesome moves as always Bat.