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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jonny boy 8 on April 19, 2007, 11:05:01 AM
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this is my idea of what planes will be in the next election.
ju82
he111
p38
pby catalena
p61
meteor
p80
i hope u agree with my opinon on iesthe plane chocies.
p5srule:aok
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not to be negative but we have 3 P38's you need another one? P61 and P80 arnt gunna happen mine as well ask for a B29 too. you want a JU52 or Ju82 cuz if there is an 82 i havent seen one.
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First off, who says they're going to run an election next time?
Could have been a 1-off thing.
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Hopefully there won't be a next election for a while.
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He-177 "Greif"
(http://www.simviation.com/pageimages/three177.jpg)
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I think the P-80 would be great. It's just as reasonable as having a 262. You perk it the same way you do the 262 and when you get in the mood to fly a jet, you'd have a choice between a P-80 or a 262. What's wrong with that? Plus, P-80 vrs 262 scenarios would be great fun too.
I suspect however that we've seen the last of the "community vote."
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the p80 was not used during WW2.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
the p80 was not used during WW2.
It did enter service in 1944 so it is not too much of a stretch.
I see your point though. :aok
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Also i dont beleave that the meteor was in WW2 eather, it did enter in july,27 1944 but did not see action.
Wikipeida is a great way to look somthing like that up :D :noid
~VansCrew~
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They used the Meteor agains V-1 flying bombs. So technically, yes, it saw action, and shot down axis aircraft.
P.S. I vote for a built-in spellchecker for the BBS. :rofl
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
They used the Meteor agains V-1 flying bombs. So technically, yes, it saw action, and shot down axis aircraft.
you are correct but since AH dose not have the V-1,the meteor would be usless and not alot of them were build during 1944
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Moot point, Vans.
The Meteor would be a 450+ mph ride with 4-20mm's...I think it would see quite a bit of usage.
Wether or not we have the V-1 is irrelevant, we have plenty of airplanes in here being used against something they weren't origanally supposed to(Typh's against B-17's, for example.) Or, Divebombing with Lancs:rolleyes: .
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<---divebombs lanks :D :D
you do have a point thow,they would be perked, 4 20mm's and it's a get, the good old 262 is better...
~VansCrew~
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Meteor Mk IIIs were in full squadron service service and saw combat on the continent in 1945. Mostly ground attack, but one dogfight with Fw190s that was interupted.
The P-80 was never in squadron service in WWII. There were a grand total of, IIRC, four sent to Europe for the squads there to have a looksee with, but not one was used in offesive or defensive action. Meteor Mk Is and Mk IIIs were used in both and at a squadron level.
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262 are better thow :aok :D
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
They used the Meteor agains V-1 flying bombs. So technically, yes, it saw action, and shot down axis aircraft.
P.S. I vote for a built-in spellchecker for the BBS. :rofl
V-1 wasnt an aircraft it was a flying bomb. I don't think Ah should add a A/C that didnt even shoot a single enemy plane down. What next if they did the F8F?
Jonny boy the only A/C I see in your list that needs to be in AH is the He-111 but we have been asking for it for years and its still not in the game. No need for it to be in a vote they jsut need to make it to fill in the early war bombers for the LW. I already know someones ganna say something about a hanger queen but think about the future of AH and CT. There will most likely be a BoB CT. And once CT starts that will be more of a money maker then the MA thus more early war planes need to be added.
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He-111 is an icon of the war. One of those planes every WWII flight sim should have, well european theatre flight sim.
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Originally posted by Larry
V-1 wasnt an aircraft it was a flying bomb. I don't think Ah should add a A/C that didnt even shoot a single enemy plane down. What next if they did the F8F?
Don't be intentionally dense. F8F saw no combat. The Meteor saw combat agaisnt V1s, against manned German ground targets and hunted for enemy aircraft. It even engaged Fw190s before being chased off by Spitfires.
There is a massive difference between the F8F's service and the Meteor's service.
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IMO the interception of buzz bombs doesn't count.
However, IMO the ground attack DOES count. Meteor Mk.I wouldn't have any leg to stand on. Meteor Mk.III might have a leg to stand on.
F8F doesn't have any legs at all. Not a WW2 aircraft. Why they didn't use it in Korea more, I'll never know.
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V-1 interception was the main job of the Tempest...
But it's ingame.
BTW, if you take a poll to add the V-1, you know that people would send scotch to Grapevine for it.
Come to think of it, shooting down V-1's would make good target practice...
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WW2 began in 1939... all u guys mostly talk about is 1945 :(
I dont get it, why would the biggest baddest best plane offer something more than an early plane to this game and players' enjoyment of fights?
IMHO, the early plane could enhace the game much more. Maybe less kills, but more fighting to achieve one.
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V1s were not the main job for tempests. They also carried ord later on and were sent deep into Germany. [EDIT: Okay, not "deep" but they were over Germany]
Meteor Mk.Is, on the other hand, were kept on England the entire time, even after the major thread to it was diminished.
No comparison.
P.S. Won't ever see V1s because they are unmanned. No point to it. Not to mention they were "nuisance" bombs, or vengeance bombs, meant to target innocent civilians and large civilian areas --- none of which AH has modeled.
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I'm more interested in what the reception will be with the next addition more than conjecture over any next election. How the Mitchell is received may dictate whether or not there will be any more popular votes.
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Originally posted by USCH
not to be negative but we have 3 P38's you need another one? P61 and P80 arnt gunna happen mine as well ask for a B29 too. you want a JU52 or Ju82 cuz if there is an 82 i havent seen one.
We can never have to many 38s. Still need 38D, 38F, 38H, 38 with 6x50, 38L super strafer, 38 with a tail hook, 38 with 2 torps, and the list goes on and on. :t
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Originally posted by tedrbr
How the Mitchell is received may dictate whether or not there will be any more popular votes.
Another buff to shoot down, but how different will the experience be from shooting down a B-24, B-26 or B17?
Okay, Shooting down B-26:s is a bit different form the other 2.
Still.... :(
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European Air War had the V-1 and it was a blast trying to "wingtip" that thing! I'd love to see it come to AH.
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AH doesn't have air vortexes modeled. You can't hit your own wake, you don't buffet if you follow another aircraft closely. Computing airflow over millions of cubic feet for any given second doesn't seem possible for a massive online game like this.
EDIT: I re-read this and thought it might be unclear: My point is you can't use your wingtip to down a v1 in AH because it lacks these things.
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No need for an election for a long time now - just add the planes from the recent election in the order they were voted in! First the B-25, then the P-39, soon after that the B-29, then the Brewster Buffalo, etc. Ready made solution to the order of introduction!
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i dont like your list johnnyboy..
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Originally posted by Krusty
AH doesn't have air vortexes modeled. You can't hit your own wake, you don't buffet if you follow another aircraft closely. Computing airflow over millions of cubic feet for any given second doesn't seem possible for a massive online game like this.
EDIT: I re-read this and thought it might be unclear: My point is you can't use your wingtip to down a v1 in AH because it lacks these things.
Well, EAW didn't model an airflow wake either. It just faked it. It was still fun though.
I'm not serious about this, just having a bit of fun. :cool:
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Pls no more elections... Lobbying works the best:aok
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...add the BF-110 V9 to the list, too.:lol
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Originally posted by Krusty
F8F doesn't have any legs at all. Not a WW2 aircraft. Why they didn't use it in Korea more, I'll never know.
Krusty, why must you make these incorrect statements so often?
The F8F-1 was in squadron service on carriers when Japan surrendered... Sounds like a WWII plane to me. Didn't get into combat in time, but it was, in fact, in service.
I'm not aware that ANY F8Fs saw combat in Korea. It had already been replaced by the F9F-3 by 1950. Most F8Fs were flying in reserve units by then.
My regards,
Widewing
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Maybe they'll develop the film viewer instead. IMHO it's more important than another plane right now. And the ability to develop offline missions would be excellent.
< I know, I know, the Aces High Film Viewer didn't fly in WWII, but we really do need a competent one all the same>
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I think there should be no election for next plane
Brewster deserve priority
(can't believe i wrote that ;-)):D
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
Wikipeida is a great way to look somthing like that up :D :noid
~VansCrew~
umm, you can change the info on wiki...so you can put that the p-80 was used in WWI....they just change it back though...:mad:
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The argueing of points re aircraft that saw little or no service at the end of the conflict on the basis that it would be neat is wasted in my opinion.
Neither the F8F or the Meteor III warrant representation until after so many other aircraft that did play significant roles and would be fun additions are added.
I still wonder why the Ta152 is in game.
HTC have already provided us with a list! and "we" have provided its priorities it goes
P39
A26
Yak3
Me410
plus of course the ongoing "upgrades" and series enhancements under way.
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If I can get my He111 and Me 410 you guys can have your Meteors, B29s, YP 80s, F18s, F16, F22s, B52s, F117s, B2s or any other ub3rl33t planes:aok
PS. People don't start acking like Im retarded I know this is a WW2 sim and most of those planes like the F22 were only used in korea and the B52 was used in WW1. :noid :lol
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Now besides the BW of course, these (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1048906/L) beauties needs some serious consideration to be modeled soon...
...just wish :confused:
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Amazing how plane requests always follow the same pattern..
1. Has to be american, even though its one of the most complete nations
2. Has to be rare, even though there or some extreamly common planes from other nations missing.
3. Should preferably be post war, even though this is a ww2 sim
Tex
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Hold yer breath!!
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ok ok i add a few more planes.:D
b29
a26
p39
v2
p51c
p38 night fighter
helldiver
i hope u like my pick.
p51srule:aok
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Please stop.
Why do people that have only been on the boards for a few months post the stupidest things.
I.E. The planes that they "want to see in the game" that ALWAYs has they same 1946 planes. Or V1, V2, subs, or even worse they want AH to be a FPS.
Heres an idea if you are new Click Here (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/search.php?s=) .
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dude whats your problem, all those planes where in ww2 and it make the game more relistic. these are some ideas of what the next election migh be.(if we have another election) (most likely)
p51srule:aok
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
dude whats your problem, all those planes where in ww2 and it make the game more relistic. these are some ideas of what the next election migh be.(if we have another election) (most likely)
p51srule:aok
Because every month there are new people who spam the BBS with "new ideas" that have been posted a thousand time and it gets old. There was jsut a vote first one they ever did, and it will take them atleast two months to make the B25. I would guess if they ever do one again it would a a month or two after that. If you would post reasonable panes or GVs I wouldnt have a problem with it but if you did a search you would know where I'm coming from. Everytime new people want new planes they list late 1945 planes because "they would be kool or fun to fly" and don't do research when they do this.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Krusty, why must you make these incorrect statements so often?
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I meant in regards to combat. I was thinking specifically of the requirements needed to be in AH. Technically the skyraider is a WW2 aircraft, but it's not really considered one. Same with the Bearcat, IMO. Didn't see action.
You did, however, explain why they weren't in Korea. Thanks!
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Johnny Boy, you ask what "his" problem is. Let me ask you this:
What's your problem? You ask for some things you don't even know what they are. I know this for a fact, because you asked for the P-51C.
We already have it. If you even knew what it was, you would know this. It's a P-51B that was built in a different plant (100% identical, though).
So, basically, what's your problem that you just spout off a list of planes that you may or may not know squat about?
Please, if you are seriously requesting something, read up on it. Don't just rattle off a list of random names, because more often than not, you'll look like a fool.
No offense intended, but that answers yer question.
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Here is a good list that I think HTC sould model in the next few years:
Not in any order jsut witing them when they come to mind
190A4&A6 to replace the A5 kinda like what they did to the G10
P39
Ju52
Brewster Buffalo
Lagg 3
Mig 3
early He-111
Ki-43
Ki-45
Ki-100
Yak 3
Yak 7
Pe8
and many more pre '45 planes that I cant think of.
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
ok ok i add a few more planes.:D
b29
a26
p39
v2
p51c
p38 night fighter
helldiver
i hope u like my pick.
p51srule:aok
ok going to keep it simple B29,no,not great numbers during WW2,would be PERKED VERY BADLEY...20mm tail guns and holds more ords then a lank.And HTC said,they would not add it,im not 100% shure thow.
P51c with the 4 20mms same thing i beleave the said no to that...
Think about if if they wanted to add the P51c and the B29,why were then not on the voting for a new aircraft
the V2 dosent even make sence,it was a rocket you could not fly it,it fley by a primitive guidance system.
~VansCrew~
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P-51C is IDENTICAL to a P-51B. B just designated which aircraft plant it was made in. C just designated a different plant!
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Originally posted by Larry
Here is a good list that I think HTC sould model in the next few years:
Not in any order jsut witing them when they come to mind
190A4&A6 to replace the A5 kinda like what they did to the G10
Isn't 190A-4 and 190A-6 kinda redundant?
Who would ever want to fly 190A-8 if we get the 190A-6 (unless the 190A-8 is modeled with 1.65 ata WEP boost that was used in 2nd half of 1944)
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Cr. 42!
(http://www.constable.ca/cr42.jpg)
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Originally posted by 1K3
Isn't 190A-4 and 190A-6 kinda redundant?
Who would ever want to fly 190A-8 if we get the 190A-6 (unless the 190A-8 is modeled with 1.65 ata WEP boost that was used in 2nd half of 1944)
Would also love to see the pure fighter version of the 190A-8.
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ok guys i just hear that the b25 is a coverup of the b29, i heared this from 1 of my freinds so dont get mad at me.:)
p51srule:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
Would also love to see the pure fighter version of the 190A-8.
Take 2 guns. Done.
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The pure fighter version had lesss armor becuase they wernt atacking bombers. If I remember they did only have two cannons and becuase of the less armor it was less slugish and turned better.
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Originally posted by Larry
The pure fighter version had lesss armor becuase they wernt atacking bombers. If I remember they did only have two cannons and becuase of the less armor it was less slugish and turned better.
What you described above is the Fw 190A-8 we have in this game.
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the next election should be next year. (hold a n election every year, so we get 1 plane a year.)
p51srule :aok
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I find it interesting that there is so much concern for WWII historical accuracy with respect to new plane selection but that everyone accepts the non-historic matches we see in every AH sortie. How many FW-109 vs Ki-84 or LA-7 vs Yak fights occurred in WWII? I'm not stating a position on what planes should be included, just observing that historical accuracy has already been compromised to a greater degree than allowing a plane that was developed late in the war but did not see service. Personally, I'm so far from learning the planes avaialable now that I have no desire for more. I'm especcially not interested in more perked rides since I never have the points to fly them anyway. I may never fly a 262.:D
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The MAs are not the only thing in AH. Otherwise there'd be no need for variation, for choice. The reason we have 4 p47s, the reason we have 7 spitfires, the reason we have 6 109s, 4 190s, and all those other varied aircraft choices, is because they can be used in different time frames or different theaters in different SEA or Scenario settings.
Specifically, some spits were chosen in the spit remodeling that would benefit scenarios and events, more than they would the MAs.
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Originally posted by Condor
I find it interesting that there is so much concern for WWII historical accuracy with respect to new plane selection but that everyone accepts the non-historic matches we see in every AH sortie. How many FW-109 vs Ki-84 or LA-7 vs Yak fights occurred in WWII? I'm not stating a position on what planes should be included, just observing that historical accuracy has already been compromised to a greater degree than allowing a plane that was developed late in the war but did not see service. Personally, I'm so far from learning the planes avaialable now that I have no desire for more. I'm especcially not interested in more perked rides since I never have the points to fly them anyway. I may never fly a 262.:D
Becuase the MAs are the all for all dweeb place where theres no need for historical accuracy. Now the AvA SEA and CT are why we dont need late '45 planes.
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Personally I'd like to see some of the late 1945 aircraft added that did not see combat. The P-80, Meteor, F8F, F7F, would all be great additions,,, to me.
It's not like it's going to kill the Historical Immersiveness in arenas where Allied planes are fighting Allied planes and Axis planes are fighting Axis planes in a three chess piece world. Just my two cents.
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Ki-44 or Ki-43
or a Jap light tank :)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Personally I'd like to see some of the late 1945 aircraft added that did not see combat. The P-80, Meteor, F8F, F7F, would all be great additions,,, to me.
:D
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Originally posted by Larry
Here is a good list that I think HTC sould model in the next few years:
Not in any order jsut witing them when they come to mind
190A4&A6 to replace the A5 kinda like what they did to the G10
P39
Ju52
Brewster Buffalo
Lagg 3
Mig 3
early He-111
Ki-43
Ki-45
Ki-100
Yak 3
Yak 7
Pe8
too many non american planes.
p51srule:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
:D
Take a right at Dallas, and bring some beer! ;)
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would love to see the HE 219
i think krusty would like this one too!!!
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
Originally posted by Larry
Here is a good list that I think HTC sould model in the next few years:
Not in any order jsut witing them when they come to mind
190A4&A6 to replace the A5 kinda like what they did to the G10
P39
Ju52
Brewster Buffalo
Lagg 3
Mig 3
early He-111
Ki-43
Ki-45
Ki-100
Yak 3
Yak 7
Pe8
too many non american planes.
p51srule:aok
you have to high of a expetation,HTC will take 2 weeks for those,and hald them a crap.