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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on April 21, 2007, 01:37:43 PM
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comparing the grass textures only in the background...
(not the darker base forground which is same in all pics)
which do you prefer?
OLD?
or
NEW?
THESE PICS WERE SHOT UNMODIFIED
THESE ARE PICS OF THE ORIGIONAL GROUND GRASS TEXTURES AND THE
NEW ONES UNMODIFIED.
I was able to do this with the terrain editor which still has the old stock
textures I simply saved the terrain with old textures and took a screenshot
and in the other one I deleted the old textures so the new ones would
display and took a screenshot.
both looking same direction at noon at same spot at same hills.
settings are 1.0 gamma everything stock with unmodified graphics or
anything else. no tweaked monitor or anything adjusted & ICC monitor
compliance.
please compare the grass textures in the background only.
[edit added voting poll link below...]
(http://www.yourfreepoll.com/votebutton.gif) (http://www.yourfreepoll.com/wltzgfqhsp.html)
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OLD standard grass texture on left & NEW standard grass texture on right
(http://p38fester.sitesled.com/oldVSnew.jpg)
NEW standard grass texture on left & OLD standard grass texture on right
(http://p38fester.sitesled.com/newVSold.jpg)
I vote...
OLD
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Old.
New dosnt really bother me that much though
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Old.
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old
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Old by a mile.
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old,cant see crap with the new :aok
every think looks like one area,you cant see aswell the deprecation is off because everything is one color.
~VansCrew~
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Old
But why not link to one of those free polls on the internet so you get a better poll?
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OLD
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Old!:aok
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Old..IMHO all the latest improvements have made AH worse.You can't blame them for trying,but thats my couple of cents worth.
ID
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New
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I guess being able to see well doesn't interfere with vulching and MW base capturing!!:aok
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like the new, trees look better air fields look tons better. dirt is dirt .. I am here to fly :cool:
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comparing grass texture only thank you.
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Old...
I like many of the wonderful new terrain features, the gunpits, the hedgerows, the new trees, the ocean.. but I it's way too dark and I lack any depth perception in low level fights. If I adjust Gamma accordingly, all is washed out and my eyes start to burn... online time has considerable dropped...
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lol skyrock. we will have to go to the DA sometime if i can fit it in between a stuka strat run or vulching 20 ppl on the runway in my temp.....
Fester's screen shot of new looks nothing like what my screen shows it as tis all. I would post a screenie but i'm stuck at work.
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I vote new. Your old pic is what mine looks like now.
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Are these the same pics? Just different brightness?
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pics unmodified. true ingame unaltered screenshots with standard video settings and 1.0 gamma. video card settings standard unmodified.
adjust your monitor to ICC compliance and compare.
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There is no arguement that the new terrain tiles are too dark from the non edited settings.
But most people would go and do those tweaks and still be very happy with the changes.
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Old... with these new settings my relitivly young 29 year old eyes feel strained also. My brother in law came over the other day. He does a lot of texturing for other games and he has seen me play with the old terrain but when he saw the change his exact words were "That looks like crap." and started asking if anyone tests these things befor they are added to the game.
I kicked the gamma up to 1.4 and that seems to help but now my Army green T-34 looks like it has a near winter cammo paint job. :)
Sorry HTC crew I'm not trying to be insulting here just honest. Generally I like graphic updates and you usually do a good job and most of this one was great but the darkness isn't.
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Stupid answer time.
It looks like the old is shorter grass and the new is longer grass.
I think we just need to add more sheep and make sure 'SheepAppetite' is a new arena setting.
0= Have just ate and are full and content.
1= Almost full but still want a snack.
2= Hungry.
3= Ravenous.
I'll shaddup now.
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old by a texas mile
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Old.
The current AH world is way too dark. I like the look of things except for the darkness and inability to distinguish contours.
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Old. Much, much better trees but as grass it concern OLD. JUST OLD.
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Old. Not even close.
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old for sure, surprised the new got released.
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I like the new fields and the old fields. I do agree the old was too bright, and the new seems to be too dark and plain at high altitudes unlike the old where you could still see farms up high.
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Old
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What really bugged me about all of this..is when guys started saying things were to "darK" HTCs response was to tell us that our monitors were not calibrated. Yet the numbers speak for themselves.
-Sp0t
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Fester...
HT knows there are issues for many with the new textures and is working to correct the problem. Specifically, the grass texture. ( I know because I asked :))
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its pretty simple to fix the grass...
copy.. paste
then correct the rest of it to match the grass. thats what needs to be done plain and simple.
I don't know if you would call it arrogance but there is a certain amount of audacity in taking years of tweaking the terrain textures from extreme darkness to just the right amount of lightness possible and avoiding eyestrain completely and throwing it in the trashcan then adding hastily constructed replacements and then telling customers their monitors are not calibrated right and to adjust their settings.
its pretty dangerous territory to tread in telling 75% of your customers the problem is on their end.
personally I respond to that by building an entire Main Arena just to avoid flying in the new version darkness if they decide not to fix it entirely.
I think most who find it intollerable will just cancel their subscriptions
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Could this simply be a reflectivity problem with the tiles?
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no
as the pics clearly show it is entirely a texture problem.
it would be most disconcerting to see this passed off as a material file problem.
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Your pics look nothing like what I see. I'm going with New.
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Overall...old. What gets me is at sunrise/sunset, shadows under the trees are still UNDER the trees. Very cheap.:rolleyes:
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OLD...new is way to dark.
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old
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Old, the New grass makes the place look like a Golf Course
The Old presents more realism as opposed to...one new, real big golf course
EDIT: from the message below mine, thank you for reminding me :)
EDIT 2: :lol stupid me, I hit the Vote button before even choosing a choice
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dont forget to vote... click on the vote button
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Old. Elikkäs uus on vitun pimee.
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The poll is now at 76% for the old. (see first post on this thread for the poll)
I am getting a little tired of the vocal MINORITY telling us to stfu with our MAJORITY opinion.
The 'old was better' crowd has you out numbered and surrounded MINORITY pukes, so YOU stfu and listen up when the majority talks. Maybe you will learn something.
:furious
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Originally posted by Bruv119
But most people would go and do those tweaks and still be very happy with the changes.
Not me.
I'm not making any global changes to my
video settings just to play this one game.
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I am getting a little tired of the vocal MINORITY telling us to stfu with our MAJORITY opinion.
The 'old was better' crowd has you out numbered and surrounded MINORITY pukes, so YOU stfu and listen up when the majority talks. Maybe you will learn something.
Easy there big fella.
I vote old but I still think the "new" has the potential to be better once HT gets the bugs worked out - the trees look MUCH better. Let's give them a chance to respond and tweak things, then see if we need to break out the pitchforks and torches.
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Originally posted by gpa3
The poll is now at 76% for the old. (see first post on this thread for the poll)
I am getting a little tired of the vocal MINORITY telling us to stfu with our MAJORITY opinion.
The 'old was better' crowd has you out numbered and surrounded MINORITY pukes, so YOU stfu and listen up when the majority talks. Maybe you will learn something.
:furious
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That would be 99% of the posts on here.
Get a life dweeb.
Scuse me... minority dweeb.
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Originally posted by RELIC
Easy there big fella.
I vote old but I still think the "new" has the potential to be better once HT gets the bugs worked out - the trees look MUCH better. Let's give them a chance to respond and tweak things, then see if we need to break out the pitchforks and torches.
Considering the fact that jeeps have been driving up the wazoo of tigers for what...over 2 years? Not sure.
I am not confident any big corrective changes are forthcoming. Hopefully for the hangers-on it will.
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Old... by a very long shot. (Regarding grass texture brightness only, not the new trees, field layouts, bridges, etc, all of which I like better than the old).
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New
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Just on grass and or overall brightness - old.
Everything else new.
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my favorite addition to the environment in AH since i started was the farm tiles...the last ones that we had.
i would have moments of vertigo sometimes in a dive and it felt almost real.
now it just isnt close. the water is the color of water on a cloudy day in the wintertime, the terrain is the color of a cloudy day at dusk.
its bland, flat and depressing.
i say old.
BUT. i have found that when sky settings are changed to a white grey offline, it is pretty cool flying in it because it matches and it seems like a cloudy day...which i am for from time to time...so it could be salvaged, if variety were something HTC would ever show interest in.
my 02.
* i am about to pull the plug until the colors and atmosphere get fixed. i have had enough GVing to last me for a loooong time now...im bored of it...and i just don't enjoy flying in there like i used to.
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Originally posted by fuzeman
Stupid answer time.
It looks like the old is shorter grass and the new is longer grass.
I think we just need to add more sheep and make sure 'SheepAppetite' is a new arena setting.
0= Have just ate and are full and content.
1= Almost full but still want a snack.
2= Hungry.
3= Ravenous.
I'll shaddup now.
4=Sheep make "Splat" noise when you hit them
5=Sheep noises added to ambient sounds
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Old for colors/brightness, new for actual looks..................
If it must be one or the other then OLD!!!!!!!!!
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Just curious. I think the few offering "new" votes should describe in detail their system (hardware).
Thanks.
P.S. well, those voting "no" should submit their specs as well. :)
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old.
current terrain is way too dark
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old
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Originally posted by Bruv119
There is no arguement that the new terrain tiles are too dark from the non edited settings.
But most people would go and do those tweaks and still be very happy with the changes.
but gammer 1.6 messes up everything else.
Hitech and skinners should be working at "default" settings of 1....
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Old for colors/brightness <-- ya that one would work well for me
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yes grass is too dark and depth perception is lost....however everything else is waaaay better. I like the new fields, the trees and the different hedgegroves. I still wonder why people build houses on REALLY steep hills, but having sheep around distracts me from caring.
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old, but new would be ok if they just brighten it up a few 100 notches
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Old, quite obviously.
Good to know that they are working on it :)
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Always look on the bright side of life..
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New
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OLD !
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HTC doesn't water the grass at the office so they thought they'd at least make the attempt online... so Fester, when are you going to create your own sim so you don't have to spend your time here stirin the pot?
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New but its not "finished "IMO
It seems to me that the farm objects require a more uniform less mottled grass tile texture to blend with.
Also our terrains are now a long way from finished in respect to the way various tiles merge.........many merge points are far from seamless.
I love the way that AH now makes its forests, farms, fields and smaller woods etc but in my opinion it needs more work to randomise the terrain sculpture of fields etc.
European terrian is not made of grass it is made of farm like terrain scultpure (fields), woods and forests with by comparison very little open grassland (less than 5%). Even in low and mid lying alpine terrains the mix is one of farmed slopes and rocky grass the difference here is there is less plowed fields etc.
I may have misinterpreted the question with its focus on "texture" there is mottling in the new grass but its just all too dark and "rich" in colour for my taste.
I would prefer that HTC develop forward however rather than revert back.
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Old
Funny in the past I've been accused of being a "fanboi" of AH, and just laughed.
DUH thats part of my job, I'm an AH Trainer and expected to promote AH.
However it keeps getting harder to do all the time. I REALLY wish HT would use his CM corps/trainers as beta testers so this stuff could be fixed before its released. Because IMO this terrain while it has huge potential, sucks.
The only thing it doesn't suck at is hiding GV dots from planes. My bet, this is what we get, and its put up with it or move along time.
But HT's surprised me in the past, hoping he does so again.
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I could go either way...
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If they could fix the brightness and shadows, the new textures would be much better.
Even despite the problems...I like the new.
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OLD!!!
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ummmmmmmmmmmm old...but the change has been made...its not like we're gonna get our way
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Oh man... OLD, that one was really fun
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Old
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the new grass looks like a golf course,yesterday i seen 2 jeeps driving around, i ask what they were doing and they said that they were just playing through.and last night i keep hearing pings,i look out of my tank and their using my tank to see who can hit me more, you know like the ball dude that picks up the balls in the cart thing. :aok :rofl
~VansCrew~
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Originally posted by gpa3
That would be 99% of the posts on here.
Get a life dweeb.
Scuse me... minority dweeb.
I do remember saying I supported the Old landscape.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Old, quite obviously.
Good to know that they are working on it :)
I hope they keep working on it.
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Citabria do we really need one thread per day from you ?
I voted new because I hate your eyes.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
lol skyrock. we will have to go to the DA sometime if i can fit it in between a stuka strat run or vulching 20 ppl on the runway in my temp.....
Fester's screen shot of new looks nothing like what my screen shows it as tis all. I would post a screenie but i'm stuck at work.
I will gladly train you in the DA sir, but you still haven't answered my underlying question.......Do you base capture in arenas other than the LW's??? It is a yes or no question!
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Straffo,
it is quite natural that people keep on voicing their concerns until they hear that something will be done to a problem. It does not help anyone else that you dont feel it as a problem, does it?
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Originally posted by straffo
Citabria do we really need one thread per day from you ?
I voted new because I hate your eyes.
the poll said vote for which textures you prefer. besides remember it is just a poll of public opinion.
HTC can ignore it if they choose but if they do you will keep seeing threads from me every day on it.
I don't know if you or they see the danger of what has happened in that people are deciding to log off rather than endure this terrain style darkness and lack of depth perception and eyestrain. I am waving the perverbial bridge out ahead flag I just hope HTC can see it in all this darkness.
its kinda funny that many logged off even in the old version or switched arenas when sunrise and sunset began. now the darkness is so dark that there is no escape from it and it gets even worse at sunrise and sunset.
I stopped playing Aces High entirely if that says anything and I love this game.
I have devoted all my free flying time to building a new main arena as a contingency for myself if HTC decides they like the darkness.
that way I will have one arena with a simulation of a bright sun lighting the ground with good light enjoyable views and as much detail as I can pack into the textures. so then when this one arena come up in rotation I will be able to play on it until its gone then I will log off if indeed HTC decides the current textures will remain.
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I voted old.
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Originally posted by VWE
HTC doesn't water the grass at the office so they thought they'd at least make the attempt online... so Fester, when are you going to create your own sim so you don't have to spend your time here stirin the pot?
don't worry too much VWE. I have not the abilty, time nor talent to create a sim this great. only thing I could do is add some nice artwork to it but the more I think about it even with creating a whole new arena with textures I find acceptable that arena would still be in play only about 5-10% of the time since it would be in rotation with the other 90% of the arenas with dark terrains.
I am still holding on hoping for change even though I have stopped playing the game I am trying to make my concerns heard. I have heard talk from others that improvments will be made but I am waiting to see drastic corrections made by HTC to the terrain textures that will make it again playable and enjoyable to look at and easy on the eyes.
however If things remain as they are you shouldn't have to deal with my antics much longer.
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Old......
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OLD........by far has better depth.
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Originally posted by Citabria
its pretty simple to fix the grass...
copy.. paste
then correct the rest of it to match the grass. thats what needs to be done plain and simple.
I don't know if you would call it arrogance but there is a certain amount of audacity in taking years of tweaking the terrain textures from extreme darkness to just the right amount of lightness possible and avoiding eyestrain completely and throwing it in the trashcan then adding hastily constructed replacements and then telling customers their monitors are not calibrated right and to adjust their settings.
its pretty dangerous territory to tread in telling 75% of your customers the problem is on their end.
personally I respond to that by building an entire Main Arena just to avoid flying in the new version darkness if they decide not to fix it entirely.
I think most who find it intollerable will just cancel their subscriptions
Voted Old
My monitor is calibrated correctly and have updated my drivers and still think as fantastic as the new looks from thje ground it looses that magnificance once airborn.
Its like the light is either comming from all directions so its hard to make out terrain features. Or its all way too dark as if there is hardly any light at all, depending on what time of day its supposed to be.
Depth perception is way off
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Originally posted by BlauK
Straffo,
it is quite natural that people keep on voicing their concerns until they hear that something will be done to a problem. It does not help anyone else that you dont feel it as a problem, does it?
I certainly agree but I think it will be counter productive if it happen too much.
Originally posted by Citabria
the poll said vote for which textures you prefer. besides remember it is just a poll of public opinion.
HTC can ignore it if they choose but if they do you will keep seeing threads from me every day on it.
I don't know if you or they see the danger of what has happened in that people are deciding to log off rather than endure this terrain style darkness and lack of depth perception and eyestrain. I am waving the perverbial bridge out ahead flag I just hope HTC can see it in all this darkness.
its kinda funny that many logged off even in the old version or switched arenas when sunrise and sunset began. now the darkness is so dark that there is no escape from it and it gets even worse at sunrise and sunset.
I stopped playing Aces High entirely if that says anything and I love this game.
I have devoted all my free flying time to building a new main arena as a contingency for myself if HTC decides they like the darkness.
that way I will have one arena with a simulation of a bright sun lighting the ground with good light enjoyable views and as much detail as I can pack into the textures. so then when this one arena come up in rotation I will be able to play on it until its gone then I will log off if indeed HTC decides the current textures will remain.
I can understand your position as I had the very same for AH since 99 but for the opposite reason.
For a reason I can't explain the current texture look a lot more to what I see all days from my window than the previous one.
To resume : before I had to setup a custom gamma for AH ( I even had to ask for help for the only texture I made)
Now I've nothing to do, I use the same correction fpr AH and desktop.
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Personally I think if they could find a way to somehow combine both the old and the new.
They would really have something special
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Old