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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Silat on April 21, 2007, 05:38:24 PM
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This was supposed to be the last remaining thing in the Federal Government that had gone untouched by corruption, cronyism, and scandal. This was supposed to be the one area where Bush and Democrats agreed. This was supposed to be the one overwhelming success story that showed that the Bushies knew how to do something…anything really. And now what do we find? That even this ostensibly successful program is riddled with corruption and cronyism!
And, to make matters even worse, we can’t even get a good reading from the Department of Justice as to how corrupt, mismanaged, and scandalous things really are because the Department of Justice itself has been compromised by Bush’s hiring and firing of prosecutors for political purposes!
As the old saw goes, Republicans insist that government is corrupt, unworthy of our trust, profligate, and incompetent. So we elect them to office and they set out to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Federal government is corrupt, unworthy of our trust, profligate, and incompetent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/20/AR2007042002284.html?hpid=topnews
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The disclosure came as a congressional hearing revealed how people implementing the $1 billion-a-year Reading First program made at least $1 million off textbooks and tests toward which the federal government steered states.
That is depressing. Those people should be shot.
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Only 1 million dollars? That's pennies considering the size of the market and the propensity for riches in text books.
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Yawn...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Only 1 million dollars? That's pennies considering the size of the market and the propensity for riches in text books.
Doesn't it rub you guys the wrong way that these people, working for the government, are ****ing our kids out of it?
Those pennies might be better spent on our kids.
WTF are you thinking?
You are officially retarded if you think this isn't a problem
:aok
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Both the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt. To many individuals that think they are above the law. We need a new party that actually has the peoples interest at heart and not their own.
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For all of you getting your knickers bunched over this, do a little searching for how the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority, the "caretakers" of Iraq prior to their elections) handled the funds for the rebuilding of Iraq. This is small change. But the CPA crooks will get away with it.
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Just the latest in a string of Democrat generated "Nontroversies" YAWN!
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Geraldo standing in the rain working up a few tears while standing on a pile of rumpled text books just might make an issue of this.
Then we could spend a few billion to do an indepth investigation and conduct hearings on CNN......................unti l the elections were over. Then it would be a non-issue and never mentioned again.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Both the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt. To many individuals that think they are above the law. We need a new party that actually has the peoples interest at heart and not their own.
What he said !
Regards,
CHECKERS
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Originally posted by Dadano
Doesn't it rub you guys the wrong way that these people, working for the government, are ****ing our kids out of it?
Those pennies might be better spent on our kids.
WTF are you thinking?
You are officially retarded if you think this isn't a problem
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The kids need school books. The government wasn't screwing them out of that money. They were just recommending that they buy their books.
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heh
Anything that can be currupted
Will be
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$1mill. well you want your kids portion of that made out to you in check or as a trust fund deposit. That .05% of a cent should go a long way. Oh noes dont use your stamp on meh! or do hell its your life your wasting,tool.
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Originally posted by Dadano
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Originally posted by Dadano
That is depressing. Those people should be shot.
Originally posted by Dadano
Doesn't it rub you guys the wrong way that these people, working for the government, are ****ing our kids out of it?
Those pennies might be better spent on our kids.
WTF are you thinking?
You are officially retarded if you think this isn't a problem
:aok
Originally posted by Dadano
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Ah that's depressing
Add to that the teacher's union wants to reward bad teachers with big ole raises. Id like to see them allow the merit pay, perks/bonuses for the teachers that DO make a difference. I'm not a teacher but my parent is...and I can tell you that a good deal of em aren't very pleased with their respective teacher's unions.
It would be really cool if they re-focused on the kids.
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One more justification for vouchers. Unlike government and government run schools, private schools must answer to the people or fail.
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A school is similar to a computer at times. GIGO.
You must have students willing and able to learn with parents willing and able to be really concerned with their children's education as well as competent teachers. It's a 3 legged stool there and if one leg is missing or is way too short, the stool doesn't work very well.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Both the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt. To many individuals that think they are above the law. We need a new party that actually has the peoples interest at heart and not their own.
Word. The party masters like it this way though, and they have all the $$.
What is the last big govt program that actually worked? and wasn't a fabulous failure?
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even george washington was afraid of the party system because he said it would tend to create division among the citizenry... he was absolutely right. all political parties seek to advance their party first... even the officials they elect are "throw aways" if they become inconvenient for them.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The kids need school books. The government wasn't screwing them out of that money. They were just recommending that they buy their books.
The "recommending" is what is in question. If they simply had private ventures and put their deal on the table is one thing...
The management of Reading First has come under attacks from members of both parties. Federal investigators say program officials improperly forced states to use certain tests and textbooks created by those officials.
$1mill. well you want your kids portion of that made out to you in check or as a trust fund deposit. That .05% of a cent should go a long way. Oh noes dont use your stamp on meh! or do hell its your life your wasting,tool.
You sound like an angry drunk.
WTF are you so bitter about?
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Word. The party masters like it this way though, and they have all the $$.
What is the last big govt program that actually worked? and wasn't a fabulous failure?
Has their ever been one that actually worked?
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Originally posted by Maverick
A school is similar to a computer at times. GIGO.
You must have students willing and able to learn with parents willing and able to be really concerned with their children's education as well as competent teachers. It's a 3 legged stool there and if one leg is missing or is way too short, the stool doesn't work very well.
You've hit it pretty accurately. Sadly, we have teachers who arent up to standards and a union that defends them viciously. And that takes away from the credit the GOOD ones deserve. Like any union, it seems to be like that...the slackers making the hard working ones look bad.
I think the Bush/Kennedy/NCLB act has some noble ideas...test kids, see how well they are really learning. Its a reflection of the education they are receiving. If kids are failing, as a parent, you deserve the right to take them someplace where their educational interests are being better served.
Yet the deafening teacher's union response is teachers need more money, start at much higher wages, etc etc. Ok, fine. But before we crank their pay, let's see what we're getting for our money.
We've thrown millions of dollars at the education issue and the problem persists.
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One official, Roland H. Good III, said his company made $1.3 million off a reading test, known as DIBELS, that was endorsed by a Reading First evaluation panel he sat on. Good, who owns half the company, Dynamic Measurement Group, told the committee that he donated royalties from the product to the University of Oregon, where he is an associate professor.
Two former University of Oregon researchers on the panel, Edward J. Kame'enui and Deborah C. Simmons, said they received about $150,000 in royalties last year for a program that is now packaged with DIBELS. They testified that they received smaller royalties in previous years for the program, Scott Foresman Early Reading Intervention, and did not know it was being sold with DIBELS.
Members of the panel said they recused themselves from voting on their own products but did assess their competitors. Of 24 tests approved by the committee, seven were tied to members of the panel.
"I regret the perception of conflicts of interest," said Kame'enui, former chairman of the committee, who now works at the department as commissioner of the National Center for Special Education Research. "But there was no real conflict of interest being engaged in."
Wow scandilous indeed.