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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SteveBailey on April 21, 2007, 08:19:43 PM
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My carry gun is a full sized Kimber Stainless .45 ACP. It is a bit large so I decided to look around for a smaller gun , same round, high cap, reliable.... price was not a mitigating factor.
I read a bunch of reviews, spoke w/ some friends, fired some guns at the range and settled on a Springfield XD .45 ACP, Bi-tone (black and stainless)
4".
The gun is excellent it seems.
It has some snazzy features that I'm not used to:
1)"chamber loaded" indicator. This concerned me at first because I was worried that a bad guy could tell if I had one in the pipe. The indicator is subtle though. If a bad guy is close enough to tell I have one in the chamber I've got bigger problems.
2) Cocking indicator. I'm not sure how this comes into play yet, for as near as I can tell, if there is a round in the chamber the weapon is cocked. I have not noticed that I can chamber a round and uncock the gun.
It's smaller than the full sized 1911 I have been carrying but not so small that it isn't quite comfortable in my hands.
So far, the lone draw back: The high cap, double stack mags have a pretty fierce spring in them and I struggled a bit to load the last 3 or 4 rounds. I got it done but it required some effort. My thumb would get quite tired form loading these mags during an afternoon of shooting. I'm not a particularly small or weak guy( 6'2" and 245) so this might be a problem for people w/ smallish hands. Then again, maybe the springs will ease a bit after use.
Does anyone else use this a their regular carry?
Thoughts?
Steve
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What kind of holster are you using??
-Sp0t
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Originally posted by BBBB
What kind of holster are you using??
-Sp0t
BBBB I'm glad you asked this question. I almost forgot about it, thanks for bringing it up. Cabela's was very busy and I couldn't get help as I ran out of time so as of yet, I only have the plastic holster the gun comes with.
Recommendations? I think I'd like a small of the back holster that I wouldn't have to worry about losing(falling out) the gun from. Maybe a holster that would tuck inside the waist line?
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try the "upLULA" magazine loader
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Stay far, far away from the cheap Fobus holsters. Later on tonight I will post a video on youtube as to why. If you are going to go with a plastic type holster look for the Blackhawk Serpa.
-Sp0t
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Actually I'm not particularly fond of pastic holsters.
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I'm looking at the Blackhawk inside the pants holster for my Para. That's a slick looking piece.
I noticed Rob Leatham just won the production class at one of the major matches shooting a Springfield XD.
My Para magazines get pretty stiff after about the 10th round is in, and I'm not really smaller than you at 6' 2" and 227#. Once you get a little time with it, you'll get used to it.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
My Para magazines get pretty stiff after about the 10th round is in, and I'm not really smaller than you at 6' 2" and 227#.
Ya, I'm just a few beers and pizzas ahead of you. Hehehehe.
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Ok that's two who've mentioned Blackhawk. I'll check into them. I'd like to have Lazs opinion, he's a knowledgeable guy too. ( I know you guys are as well, I was referring to me. I carry but am no expert beyond the guns I own)
I sometimes go into places where guns are not allowed when I'm on the job. I do not risk carrying in there(hospitals) as getting caught would probably mean the end of my business.
Also, my ambulance is frequently unlocked due to the wheelchair lift being left open as I move a pasenger into a building.
What do you guys think of this item for temporary storage when I'm in these circumstances:
http://springfieldxdstore.com/pgroup_descrip/14/6890/?mode=image
What do you think about this product:
http://springfieldxdstore.com/pgroup_descrip/9/1958/?return=%3ftpl%3Dindex%26category_id%3D9%26
Thanks for the help.
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Originally posted by john9001
try the "upLULA" magazine loader
John, what a clever device!
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Don Hume makes a pretty decent leather holster at an attractive price.
In the waist band (IWB) more concealable but slightly less quick to get gun out, plus some holsters collapse without gun in it, so hard to reholster.
Pancake holster mounting on the belt outside the pants is good, but not very concealed, so more effort must be made to conceal. Offers quicker access and easier to reholster.
Each have advantages and disadvantages.
I suggest one with a strap to retain weapon, and the holster should cover the trigger guard completely.
It is mostly a matter of preference and personal comfort.
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I'm curious... what jobs do you guys have where you need to carry a concealed weapon?
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driving around miami neighborhoods like winwood, allapattah, liberty city, brownsville and overtown. why do you purchase any form of insurance?
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Originally posted by Rolex
I'm curious... what jobs do you guys have where you need to carry a concealed weapon?
F16 pilots and snipers working for the CIA..
duh!
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I don't care what jobs that they have.
I thank them for having the morality to carry.. I thank them for the trouble and the courage.
If I am in a mall or theatre or whatever and some nutjob starts shooting or stabbing or clubbing people to death..
I don't want rolex or nielsen beside me giving a gun control lecture... I want one of those guys who talks about the best holster to carry his .45 in.
I would rather have one woman with a concealed carry permit and firearm than 10 gun control nuts in that situation.
Sooo... go about your metrosexual ways. Not everyone has the courage and dedication to and morality to protect themselves or others... many are too weak ... you can't help it.. but...
Be aware that the rest of us realize that and that when push comes to shove... It is them and not you that we want at our side.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Sooo... go about your metrosexual ways. Not everyone has the courage and dedication to and morality to protect themselves or others... many are too weak ... you can't help it.. but...
Not everyone lives in places were you need to have guns to survive. Some of us can go to the mall without beeing run down by mobs of armed nuts ;)
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Steve,
It's been my experiance that for true concealed carry a small to mid frame revolver is easiest to coneal. Something like a S&W 66 in 2.75" barrel and round butt or a smaller J frame. I have one of those and carried it very unobtrusively just in the waist band of my pants back by the rear kidney area, strongside. It was far enough back that I could get to it with either hand and easily covered by a shirt tail or untucked T-shirt. Yep it's 6 (or 5 depending on model) rounds and reloads are easiest concealed loose in the pocket.
I like the locked box idea, but am not sure about the lid locking mechanism and would want a heavier cable to secure the box to the vehicle.
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my new truck gun is a mossberg 590 mariner 12 ga. as my old eyes deteriorate I feel a little more comfortable with that dependable shotgun. It's holster is a roof rack that got from cabela's. my tote weapon is a model 85 .38 special loaded with +P. the holster is an old bianchi pancake that fits snugly and comfortable in the small of my back, even when I sit for short periods of time.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I'm curious... what jobs do you guys have where you need to carry a concealed weapon?
Why are you in this thread? Liberal poofs need not enter here.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I'm curious... what jobs do you guys have where you need to carry a concealed weapon?
Why question someone on doing something they are legally entitled to?
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I use "Uncle Mikes Sidekick" holsters, they are cheap, durable and comfortable even with my larger pistols. S&W model 29)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
BBBB I'm glad you asked this question. I almost forgot about it, thanks for bringing it up. Cabela's was very busy and I couldn't get help as I ran out of time so as of yet, I only have the plastic holster the gun comes with.
Recommendations? I think I'd like a small of the back holster that I wouldn't have to worry about losing(falling out) the gun from. Maybe a holster that would tuck inside the waist line?
I prefer the inside the waist holster, or the pancake belt. One thing about the waist line hostlers, the stiffer it is around the safety snap, the better chance it will irritate your skin until it breaks in...er, if your, uh "belly" rests on top of it. Having a hidden hammer is a plus.
Although irritating at first, you'll feel naked without that lump feeling.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I'm curious... what jobs do you guys have where you need to carry a concealed weapon?
This explains much
http://roanoke.craigslist.org/rnr/314572392.html
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Why are you in this thread? Liberal poofs need not enter here.
"Liberal Poofs"? Is that another name for "girlymen"? :D
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Originally posted by bj229r
This explains much
http://roanoke.craigslist.org/rnr/314572392.html
Excellent read there. Never quite heard it put that way but it's right on the money. Glad I'm a sheepdog:D
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LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, this man speaks truth.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Why question someone on doing something they are legally entitled to?
:aok
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Why are you in this thread? Liberal poofs need not enter here.
hehe...no matter were you post they have to show up and ruin your fun!!:P
i like the xd springfield..great pistol...my bud had the sub compact version with the light rail...i really liked it..he sold it thou..i wish i would of made a offer..good lookin machine...and i liked the feal better than a sub compact glock...grip was better on the springfield..the extended clip felt great too....they run even a tad cheaper than the glock sub...i think they got a good pistol there..one of the best new ones i seen come out.
i carry my little mini 1911 down there in the pic..and my walther p38<~~still got a box of 9mm 147 grain black talons for it:)...great pistol thou..first double action auto..and has a great decock
once and a while..i carry my dragoon..lol but its a little much for a carry on..lol..winter only..lol
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/769_1175546038_guns2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/769_1175545993_guns.jpg)
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Originally posted by LePaul
Why question someone on doing something they are legally entitled to?
Like asking a question in a thread?
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BBBB I'm glad you asked this question. I almost forgot about it, thanks for bringing it up. Cabela's was very busy and I couldn't get help as I ran out of time so as of yet, I only have the plastic holster the gun comes with.
ya,,..my bud was told not to use the plastic on his springfield unless he wanted to ruin the finish and didnt care..which is all up to the person..the plastic ones allways make lines down the gun were it locks into place
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stick it down your pants, might make up for some of the missing space. haha.
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stick it down your pants, might make up for some of the missing space. haha.
comon you libs..let this guy have his thread..no need to get mean and start knocking people around for what they enjoy...was that reply really necessary?
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Originally posted by mandingo
stick it down your pants, might make up for some of the missing space. haha.
i cant, not enough room left down there, unless i start to wear gang banger droppy pants like you.
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Originally posted by bj229r
This explains much
http://roanoke.craigslist.org/rnr/314572392.html
That man speaks truth.
Hyena,
I used to have one of those Western Field shotguns too when I was just getting old enough to be interested in really hunting. It's been a while since I have seen one of those twist adjustable chokes.
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Originally posted by mandingo
stick it down your pants, might make up for some of the missing space. haha.
And risk knocking your mom's tooth out? haha
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I used to have one of those Western Field shotguns too when I was just getting old enough to be interested in really hunting. It's been a while since I have seen one of those twist adjustable chokes.
you know thats a really good dependible shotgun...breaks down nice and easy too:)..my grampa got it a long time ago at the old western store chain..he passed on 8 years ago..and i been taking it out skeet shooting lately..it still nails them good:)...plus its allmost like brand new..my grampa really didnt take it out much
And risk knocking your mom's tooth out? haha
lmao!! oooohh touche..lol
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I told you peeps that I carry Chuck Norris. Nobody ****s with me.
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So you really get off on being chuck's beeyotch huh.
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Originally posted by mandingo
stick it down your pants, might make up for some of the missing space. haha.
:rofl :aok
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nelson... are you saying that no one in your country has ever been attacked where a gun would have saved them?
You have a need for a gun in your country... you just are too womanly to admit it.
Has your house ever burned down? have you ever been in a wreck? been in one where a seatbelt would have saved you? if not why do you have insurance and wear seatbelts? are you just paranoid? the fire department will not let your house burn.
Most of you who pretend you need no gun are simply not thinking it through or... lacking moral courage.... you are justifying. Possibly you have a deep seated prejudice against the U.S. that makes you take your governments side and... oddly... justify them taking away your rights.
As I said... I don't really have any need for you to be around me.. there is no comfort in your hollow justifications... I do feel the need to have some of my fellow citizens armed tho.
I thank those of you who have the moral courage to go armed...
lazs
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I carry a Glock 20 10mm. Great gun at decent price. My favorite thing about it is that it has never jammed on me. I keep mine loaded with CorBon bonded core soft point ammo. Definately has more stopping power than your standard 9mm rounds.
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It would be great to be able to live in a country where it's possible to enjoy the freedom of being able to go out unarmed, without fear of being mugged or shot. Believe it or not, such countries DO exist. The US is not one of them tho.
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Originally posted by FastFwd
It would be great to be able to live in a country where it's possible to enjoy the freedom of being able to go out unarmed, without fear of being mugged or shot. Believe it or not, such countries DO exist. The US is not one of them tho.
Really? I guess I have been spectacularly lucky then as I haven't carried but once or twice since I retired in 94. I've been in 32 different states in the last 3 years alone and haven't had a single problem being safe from muggings and assaults.
If you are really that afraid, either you are in a very very bad neighborhood or are really paranoid. If it's not a poor choice of neighborhood then maybe you ought to try and relax more.
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what country is free of bad people? Name me a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
nelson... are you saying that no one in your country has ever been attacked where a gun would have saved them?
You have a need for a gun in your country... you just are too womanly to admit it.
Lmao. Try to get out more cause not everywere is as bad as were you live mr hunk who needs a gun to feel manly :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
what country is free of bad people? Name me a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
lazs
Singapore
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lol
This weekends round count at the ranch.. 3 Days of shooting fun.. Live fire all day and 1 night.
3200 .22
1231 .223
431 .45
38 .357
122 .44
200 .40
300 7.62
600 9mm
Thank god i live in a country and have the right to be free.. Any other country we would have the military at the front gate.
We had shooting games, bowling pin matches a long range 623 yard turkey shoot. Friday night we had tracers fun at the pit. Just me and 15 of my closet friends and lots of ammo.
Even the neighbors at the ranch down the road jumped in on the action. The old man and his son heard us shooting on Friday and stopped in on Saturday. Great guy and he contributed his fathers Grand that was used in ww2. He had a blast and would like me to design a range for his family at their ranch.
Kaboommm --------------- Ping
What a great sound..
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Nilsen
You have no idea what A great country we live in and what a great state I live in.. TEXAS
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Im sure its great in many ways.
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Man extradited to Singapore on murder charges (http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/WWW/justiceministerHome.nsf/Page/Media_Releases_2005_3rd_Quarter_28_September_2005_-_Man_extradited_to_Singapore_on_murder_charges)
28 September 2005
Man extradited to Singapore on murder charges
A British man wanted in relation to the murder of two people in Singapore in 2002 was extradited late yesterday from Australia to Singapore, the Minister for Justice and Customs, Senator Chris Ellison, announced today.
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Originally posted by lazs2
what country is free of bad people? Name me a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
lazs
antartica?
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"what country is free of bad people? Name me a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized."
shangri la?
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Originally posted by nickf620
antartica?
I don't know, I saw that movie The Thing. You never know who is really possessed by one of the saucer people.
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Originally posted by nickf620
antartica?
While Antartica is not a country and does not have a government, thus can't be a "country".
The only serious crime that has happened is an "Assault with a deadly weapon". Two individuals had a history of dislike, and finally one of them swung a hammer at the other one's head.
Source. http://tiger.gsfc.nasa.gov/crime.html
:p
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Toad
LOL - you had to go right back to 2002 to find something? :lol
And... the perpetrator of those crimes strangled his victims - did not shoot them.
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Originally posted by Maverick
While Antartica is not a country and does not have a government, thus can't be a "country".
it was a joke
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Originally posted by bj229r
This explains much
http://roanoke.craigslist.org/rnr/314572392.html
Excellent read, thank you for posting this. I copied and pasted this into an email and foreworded it to all fellow sheepdogs everywhere!
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Originally posted by nickf620
it was a joke
A sense of humor will not be tolerated!:furious
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Originally posted by FastFwd
Toad
LOL - you had to go right back to 2002 to find something? :lol
And... the perpetrator of those crimes strangled his victims - did not shoot them.
And yet Singapore's prisons are at over 100% capacity. Who is in these prisons, jaywalkers?
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
And yet Singapore's prisons are at over 100% capacity. Who is in these prisons, jaywalkers?
chewers of the baned chewing gum.
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Originally posted by john9001
chewers of the baned chewing gum.
LOL. I forgot, you get 2 years for that. It is interesting to note that Singapore really does have a very low crime rate. Experts attribute this to
a lack of racial diversity and a robust economy. Bully for them!
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Originally posted by lazs2
what country is free of bad people? Name me a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
lazs
Originally posted by FastFwd
Singapore
So Singapore is a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized?
Singapore 2007 Crime & Safety Report (https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=63288)
Available crime statistics for the first half of 2006 show a decrease in the following categories of crime in Singapore: housebreaking, theft offenses, and robbery. An increase in rape for the period was negligible. Murder cases reported for the first half of the year rose to fourteen, compared to five cases reported for the same period in 2005. These crime rates are low for a city-state of 4.5 million people. Complete crime statistics for 2006 will be published in the first quarter of 2007, and any significant changes will be reported after the information becomes available from Singapore Police authorities....
......A few incidents of serious crime involved attacks of Singaporeans by fellow Singaporeans with edged weapons. These attacks appear to be retribution linked to low-level criminal activities. One contract murder with a handgun occurred during 2006, but edged-weapons are the weapons of choice for serious attackers due to the unavailability of firearms. Comparatively speaking, the crime rate in Singapore remains much lower than in any other major metropolitan city, however, residents and visitors should be aware of their environment and exercise the same amount of caution they would in any other large city.
So it would appear that Singapore is NOT a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
So you answered Laz' question incorrectly. You are wrong, sir.
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Originally posted by nickf620
it was a joke
Yep I know. I was curious however and found in 30 seconds of looking. I thought it was kind of funny myself.
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45 a nice punch definetly.My new carry gun is 50 cal Desert Eagle.Snagged it for about a grand.That was truly a deal for one of those hogs.I am going to sell my glock19 if anyone interested.I have 5 high capacity clips for it.One 31 round mag,two 21 round mags and two 15 round mags and black talon bullet proof vest rounds for it.
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Originally posted by AApache
My new carry gun is 50 cal Desert
Isn't this a bit large for carry? Or no CCW?
Isn't carrying in DC illegal?
forgive me if any of these are dumb ?'s.
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You could probably carry the DE with a shoulder holster...You'd be stuck wearing a jacket all of the time, even in the summer, though.
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Originally posted by Toad
So Singapore is a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized?
Singapore 2007 Crime & Safety Report (https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=63288)
So it would appear that Singapore is NOT a country where no one has ever been shot or mugged or burglarized.
So you answered Laz' question incorrectly. You are wrong, sir.
What I actually said in my first post in this thread was "It would be great to be able to live in a country where it's possible to enjoy the freedom of being able to go out unarmed, without fear of being mugged or shot. Believe it or not, such countries DO exist." I think that's still true. The shooting incident you identified was a contract killing. As a law abiding tourist, I think I'm unlikely to be the victim of a contract killing, as I walk from my hotel to the Raffles Centre, for example.
But you are right too! Your document states One contract murder with a handgun occurred during 2006, but edged-weapons are the weapons of choice for serious attackers due to the unavailability of firearms.
So ONE person was shot in 2006. Oh damn, guess that blows my theory clean out of the water then! :lol
The document continues A few incidents of serious crime involved attacks of Singaporeans by fellow Singaporeans with edged weapons.
As I'm not Singaporean, I would not become involved in any of these attacks.
Using your source, I checked out Qatar and Oman. I could find nothing relating to shootings in either of these countries.
What I did note about Oman was that four people were killed as a result of heavy rains and the concomitant flooding. People should be more care to avoid drowning. Even when it's not raining, swimming pools can be dangerous!
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Yes it is very large and I use an under armpit holster sir.Also yes it is illegal to carry in DC but I work for DC gov't at the Pentagon once again and also have CCW permit.Do you fell betr now bud :aok Thanks for the community policing though wish we had more of it up here:confused:
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fstfwd... you missed the point entirely... singapore people need guns they just don't know it.
There are bad people there who would cut or strangle or mug or rape or burglarize em... A gun would prevent those things from happening.
your country has draconian gun laws too tho. the murder rate has never gone down but the victims of crime has gone up... you are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the uk than the US.
You are fooling yourself or.. you are justifiying.
The main thing is that people have the right to defend themselves and... there are bad people everywhere. The best way for normal people to defend against bad people is with guns.
If you don't like bad people to have guns then pass strong laws against using a gun in a crime. I could get a handgun in your country in a week tops. It is not that they are not available...it is because of the absurd penalties for having one that I would not.
your criminals are just more wussie than most.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
fstfwd... you missed the point entirely... singapore people need guns they just don't know it.
There are bad people there who would cut or strangle or mug or rape or burglarize em... A gun would prevent those things from happening.
LOL Lazs! You brighten up my days. :D
A couple of things you should know about Singapore. 1) If a gun is used in a crime, the penalty is a mandatory jail sentence. 2) If the gun is actually fired, the penalty is a mandatory death sentence, whether or not anyone was hurt. (Other nearby countries like Malaysia have similar laws)
As for preventing muggings, rapes, burglaries etc., countries like Singapore/Malaysia have an excellent deterrent - the Rotan cane. Canings are administered in jail by muscular men. Part of the cane will have been soaked in water to make it slightly bendy. The end held by the caning officer will be kept dry and won't bend. Those caning officers know exactly how to make the cane whip around, inflicting the maximum pain. Apparently it hurts like all hell. One account I heard about a guy who received 15 strokes said that the pain was so bad he could not sit down for 4 months. The maximum is 24 strokes.
These caning punishments are reserved for offences such as the ones you described, in which someone has been personally violated. It's not used for crimes such as bank fraud or other white collar crime - just the nasty crimes committed by scumbags.
As a deterrent, I'd say it's far, FAR more effective than any gun.
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Originally posted by lazs2
fstfwd... you missed the point entirely... singapore people need guns they just don't know it.
There are bad people there who would cut or strangle or mug or rape or burglarize em... A gun would prevent those things from happening.
your country has draconian gun laws too tho. the murder rate has never gone down but the victims of crime has gone up... you are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the uk than the US.
You are fooling yourself or.. you are justifiying.
The main thing is that people have the right to defend themselves and... there are bad people everywhere. The best way for normal people to defend against bad people is with guns.
If you don't like bad people to have guns then pass strong laws against using a gun in a crime. I could get a handgun in your country in a week tops. It is not that they are not available...it is because of the absurd penalties for having one that I would not.
your criminals are just more wussie than most.
lazs
You logic is faulty lazs and you know it but you continue to use it just because it supports your hobby.